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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 2:00 am
by Aristeia
I don't understand how you can sus the loki voters and also be null on roden
this feels like a contradiction to me.
Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 2:00 am
by Aristeia
like um
which loki voters are you exactly sussing?
Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 2:07 am
by Roden
In post 248, Dannflor wrote:I think the main thing GL picked up on with fire that appealed to me was that they seemed to have a post-hoc justification for a read that didn't come off to me as an entirely natural train of though. Rather, it felt like it could have been someone searching for a reason to support that read. The whole logical error part of the argument is less enticing to me. Town make logical errors in their thinking all the time, it's more the feeling that it wasn't a natural train of thought for fire that lead me to like GL's argument.
I'll chicken out and say fire is still a pretty mixed read. They strike me as a good player and while the stuff GL is putting pressure on has me suspicious I think I need a much larger volume of content from them to develop a better read.
Meanwhile, Roden's pop-in was lacking a lot to be desired. It took the form of that cookie-cutter scum pop-in that I tend towards a lot when I have a red PM.
1. place a vote down on an easy to push townie
2. throw out a read for content
3. make one more post about anything to appear natural
more votes here
In post 54, Roden wrote:VOTE: Shoshin
In post 8, Ausuka wrote:Hi. My role in this game is Ascetic Miller.
No, I don't know why anyone would add Miller to a role which can't be investigated.
I feel like I got a middle finger instead of a Role PM this game
It's possible an Ascetic-Enabler exists. Otherwise it just sounds like you got a troll role.
In post 55, Roden wrote:Marci's vibes seem a bit off
Datisi feels kinda town though
In post 32, Roden wrote:I will participate.
Appreciate that people think I'm fun and active. Uhhh...if we're doing this then I guess I'd pick Pooky.
VOTE: Pooky
Also don't mind my role or skill set. I got my first pick, so that's nice.
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In post 92, Roden wrote:How busy is everyone else's hoods? Is most of the gameplay just happening there? The set up is interesting enough that I feel like more people should be talking.
In post 7, Roden wrote:I have no idea who I'd want as a leader just looking at the player list. From what I'd guess though, we want to elect consensus town reads who are also good at reading others, since it looks like we'll have to rely on them to make choices in future events.
In post 12, Roden wrote: In post 8, NotAHecticAlt wrote: In post 7, Roden wrote:I have no idea who I'd want as a leader just looking at the player list. From what I'd guess though, we want to elect consensus town reads who are also good at reading others, since it looks like we'll have to rely on them to make choices in future events.
so where's your vote for me?
I don't know you.
In post 210, Roden wrote:HEAL: NotAHecticAlt
I town read Andante but I understand that she doesn't want to be nominated. So my second heal will just go to whichever of her town reads I agree with the most.
In post 211, Roden wrote:Aisa Eiji Loki Gamma all feel town so far
FB seems like he's kinda just posturing
In post 34, Roden wrote:
In post 20, Aristeia wrote:I have a cool thought experiment I want to try.
Let's all write down which three numbers we would submit if we were running a scum team.
I will explain after everyone writes down their numbers how this will help us.
I will go first.
1, 3, 13
I'd probably try to be tactical and talk it out with the team first. If it was entirely my choice, probably 4, 11, 19. Since I think they would be uncommon low numbers. But one team mate having an unreasonably large number does have some strategic merit.
Actually, I'm guessing that's why STD asked me about my vote.
In post 55, Roden wrote: In post 53, takotsubo syndrome wrote: In post 16, hutmeil wrote:I guess since this is Day 1, all the current votes are senseless.
My notes:
Alianna
- was informed that furtiveglance is Town?? (Mason or Friendly Neighbor?)
- asks who wants to be nightkilled (sus)
Well this is just a disgusting post to start off the game.
Disgusting? Sure. But is it scummy? Ehhh...I think newbscum tries harder to look townie. Pretty sure it was just meant to be a joke post since it was during RVS.
Then again, they disappeared afterward. I understand that not much is going on right now, but it's been almost three days since their last post. Let's get some pressure going, maybe?
VOTE: Hutmeil
BwG2 ISO that I won't drag quotes out of because it would be a pain
Anyway these are all somewhat recent town games, it's not +scum for me, I'm just masking
Also in what universe is Loki an easy push
Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 2:13 am
by Aristeia
what is masking?
Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 2:19 am
by Roden
In post 374, Aristeia wrote: In post 367, Roden wrote:What game were we both in where I was scum? Or is that just a general read?
in the coalition game you were significantly more townie when pressured.
Coalition Micro
similarly in
Fusion Upick
when you're scum you tend to kind of don't have that kind of edge/angry tone in your voice.
You don't have the same kind of edge when defending yourself and it feels like you're not quite really here and more importantly you don't feel like you want to be here.
SCP
Radio Buzz
I understand from your last completed mini normal[2276] you were fustrated over being nightkilled on n1 and perhaps not wanting to be nightkilled would be a valid explanation for maybe not being as townie as you have been in the past but this game is not really that sort of game.
in this game, scum can't just shoot the towniest townies - it would be quite suicidal of them to do so because it would make the 1v1s quite lopsided, they have to actually shoot in the murky middle so to speak, as a result you should be trying to be as townie as possible but it doesn't feel like you're enthusiastic about this game at all.
Fusion was just a dumb Day 1 and A50 was being an asshole
Coalition I was mad because I was invested and actually correct on 90% of my reads and fire played like shit which pissed me off more
Not really comparable to a game that hasn't gone anywhere yet and I'm getting D1 voted for the same shit I say literally every game
As for SCP, I was literally at Disneyland on vacation and town fantasized a reason to scum read me, I didn't seem like I wanted to be in that because I legit didn't want to be for a few days lol
Radio Buzz...ehhh my only excuse is that everyone spammed the thread and I couldn't keep up
Besides that I have plenty of town games where I never really got mad, and a few scum games where I was invested immediately. I don't really think this meta analysis holds up when looking at the entirety of my game history.
Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 2:21 am
by Roden
"Normal" passing in social situations basically
Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 2:25 am
by Roden
Oh that's actually kinda intentionally manipulative and might explain why I constantly trip people up in these games
That's a revelation
Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 2:28 am
by Aristeia
ok let's say I am wrong about you.
who would you like to kill and why?
Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 2:40 am
by Roden
In post 252, furtiveglance wrote: In post 190, Roden wrote: In post 91, Bell wrote: In post 85, kutiplz wrote: In post 82, Bell wrote:Meow me a river.
Also, that is the cutest avatar. I cannot tel if that is an actual cat or a doll.
Thank you, it's a cute cat.
What is your experience with the players in this player list
I've played with Fire, Dann, Furtive, Roden, Guilty, Radicalrat
(but it always feels like I'm playing adjacent to them)
.
And I completely forgot if I played with Aris before or if I just chatted with them in a dead thread once.
I think getting a lay of the land is kind of both.
@Fire, same. Mostly I play this game to understand people. Speaking of which.
Are you scum?
I feel that. There are just some players that I never really interact with even across multiple games.
It's this for me. It's just fluff, designed to pocket Bell.
In post 294, furtiveglance wrote: In post 293, Loki Dokie wrote:
Dann’s argument would suggest that Roden’s scumgame isn’t good. His vote on me is bad but as scum, he’d probably realize that.
In the game I played with scum!him I was getting heavily wagoned and Roden hard wk’d me. This just seems to be really sloppy if Roden’s scum here.
Roden was so good in that game that last town miselimmed me at elo and Roden won, so why would his scumgame suddenly turn to shit? Idk what to think rn.
I read that game and I think it was mostly the PR claim rather than anything else.
...I literally hard bussed my buddy to "save" Nancy. Before that, the elim was between two townies.
In post 498, Roden wrote:
In any case, I'm inclined to stick to my current reads. Nancy shouldn't be today's elim over James.
Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 2:47 am
by Roden
In post 382, Aristeia wrote:ok let's say I am wrong about you.
who would you like to kill and why?
VOTE: Furtive
Furtive just misrep'd my play in a past game to justify his scum read on me. What makes it egregious is that we already had a conversation about this game before and doesn't have an excuse for suddenly not remembering the game correctly now.
He also misread me really badly that game and mindlessly tunneled me. Scum reading me this game before I really do much of anything shows a lack of reassessment or even any caution in making the same mistake again.
Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 2:50 am
by Roden
Same issue with fire except he doesn't even give a reason for scum reading me.
Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 2:56 am
by Roden
Tbh Ari this is the most you've interacted with me in a game in almost a year, but IIRC it was just you telling me I wasted my IC role lol
Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 2:58 am
by furtiveglance
In post 384, Roden wrote: In post 382, Aristeia wrote:ok let's say I am wrong about you.
who would you like to kill and why?
VOTE: Furtive
Furtive just misrep'd my play in a past game to justify his scum read on me. What makes it egregious is that we already had a conversation about this game before and doesn't have an excuse for suddenly not remembering the game correctly now.
He also misread me really badly that game and mindlessly tunneled me. Scum reading me this game before I really do much of anything shows a lack of reassessment or even any caution in making the same mistake again.
I was just chatting about the game in which you fakeclaimed Tracker, it's not why I scumread you.
Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 2:59 am
by Roden
In post 386, Roden wrote:Tbh Ari this is the most you've interacted with me in a game in almost a year, but IIRC it was just you telling me I wasted my IC role lol
In post 677, Aristeia wrote: In post 668, Roden wrote:But town likes to claim scum and shit push me when I'm not confirmed inno
I think your playstyle is pretty divergent and fairly easy to read
Looked it up out of curiosity and, actually does this still apply for you?
Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 3:04 am
by Roden
In post 387, furtiveglance wrote: In post 384, Roden wrote: In post 382, Aristeia wrote:ok let's say I am wrong about you.
who would you like to kill and why?
VOTE: Furtive
Furtive just misrep'd my play in a past game to justify his scum read on me. What makes it egregious is that we already had a conversation about this game before and doesn't have an excuse for suddenly not remembering the game correctly now.
He also misread me really badly that game and mindlessly tunneled me. Scum reading me this game before I really do much of anything shows a lack of reassessment or even any caution in making the same mistake again.
I was just chatting about the game in which you fakeclaimed Tracker, it's not why I scumread you.
Didn't claim that was your reason, I said you're trying to justify your scum read.
In post 294, furtiveglance wrote: In post 293, Loki Dokie wrote:
Dann’s argument would suggest that Roden’s scumgame isn’t good. His vote on me is bad but as scum, he’d probably realize that.
In the game I played with scum!him I was getting heavily wagoned and Roden hard wk’d me. This just seems to be really sloppy if Roden’s scum here.
Roden was so good in that game that last town miselimmed me at elo and Roden won, so why would his scumgame suddenly turn to shit? Idk what to think rn.
I read that game and I think it was mostly the PR claim rather than anything else.
Unless I'm just wildly off base here, this reads as you downplaying how I played as scum in that game to better fit the narrative for why I'm getting scum read this game.
Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 3:05 am
by Loki Dokie
I looked at a couple of town and scumgames and his entrance was different dependant on alignment.
Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 3:06 am
by Greeting
In post 333, Bell wrote:*stares vacantly* Wisdom?
That doesn’t make any sense.
Just tell me. If you’re going to play coy about it.
Well more important question are you a polarized player where you play totally different as one alignment from another?
I feel like I got a tldr: from greeting that could be summed up as kill all lurkers.
Sure. Yeah. Okay.
I don't know if this was directed to me or anything. If you want to interact with me then you have to be very clear that the question is directed at me, because otherwise my brain will just decide it's not worth my effort.
As for my Day 1 strategy, it's pretty much work with what we've got, so leave the towniest out of the PoE and pick someone from the PoE. Because there will be no classic Day 2 or Day 3 for that matter and I don't want to be choosing between two lurkers.
Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 3:08 am
by Greeting
In post 338, fireisredsir wrote:i think furtive can be town for being funny
he wasn't very funny as scum
maybe more that he seems relaxed here
Fine, I'll look into that. Though tbf even if I put
furtiveglance
in my PoE, deep down I think it would be wiser to eliminate a more obvious scum today.
Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 3:08 am
by Loki Dokie
In post 366, Roden wrote: In post 205, Loki Dokie wrote:UNVOTE:
Trying to decide now on Roden or Vivax because Roden has never wrongly sr me and he was in Terminator so unlike Dann, he definitely knows who I am. Vivax’s 180 on me is hella weird as well,
@Roden tell me how I’m different here than in Terminator and if you know my main, your vote on me is even worse,
I don't remember much from Terminator but my vote isn't based on that. I know who's alt you are and my vote is more or less because of that, defensiveness is NAI for you but I know from another alt that AtE isn't. The post I quoted and voted you for gave me AtE vibes and I wanted to see how you'd react. Either you double down and scum tell or you go hard at your self meta and town tell. Though tbh this part is townier than your immediate reaction:
In post 293, Loki Dokie wrote:
Dann’s argument would suggest that Roden’s scumgame isn’t good. His vote on me is bad but as scum, he’d probably realize that.
In the game I played with scum!him I was getting heavily wagoned and Roden hard wk’d me. This just seems to be really sloppy if Roden’s scum here.
Roden was so good in that game that last town miselimmed me at elo and Roden won, so why would his scumgame suddenly turn to shit? Idk what to think rn.
Realizing that I already know how to play around you as scum but not actually pursuing that is the kind of nuance I was looking for, more or less. You're more likely to avoid looking like your waffling as scum.
You have never seen my scumgame, so this is utter bs. You should have stuck with not knowing who I am sport. Major fos here.
Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 3:09 am
by Loki Dokie
VOTE: Roden
Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 3:09 am
by Loki Dokie
Roden just straight up lied to my face.
Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 3:11 am
by furtiveglance
In post 389, Roden wrote: In post 387, furtiveglance wrote: In post 384, Roden wrote: In post 382, Aristeia wrote:ok let's say I am wrong about you.
who would you like to kill and why?
VOTE: Furtive
Furtive just misrep'd my play in a past game to justify his scum read on me. What makes it egregious is that we already had a conversation about this game before and doesn't have an excuse for suddenly not remembering the game correctly now.
He also misread me really badly that game and mindlessly tunneled me. Scum reading me this game before I really do much of anything shows a lack of reassessment or even any caution in making the same mistake again.
I was just chatting about the game in which you fakeclaimed Tracker, it's not why I scumread you.
Didn't claim that was your reason, I said you're trying to justify your scum read.
In post 294, furtiveglance wrote: In post 293, Loki Dokie wrote:
Dann’s argument would suggest that Roden’s scumgame isn’t good. His vote on me is bad but as scum, he’d probably realize that.
In the game I played with scum!him I was getting heavily wagoned and Roden hard wk’d me. This just seems to be really sloppy if Roden’s scum here.
Roden was so good in that game that last town miselimmed me at elo and Roden won, so why would his scumgame suddenly turn to shit? Idk what to think rn.
I read that game and I think it was mostly the PR claim rather than anything else.
Unless I'm just wildly off base here, this reads as you downplaying how I played as scum in that game to better fit the narrative for why I'm getting scum read this game.
No, and I don't follow that argument. I said why I scumread you: filler logs which looked pockety.
Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 3:12 am
by Roden
Despite the name, weren't a Jester in that game, but you were scum
Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 3:12 am
by Loki Dokie
In post 368, KittyTacky wrote:
People who seem too scummy to be scum are almost always just scum who played badly.
In post 369, KittyTacky wrote:I will repeat that the string of naked votes on Loki is just HMMMMMMM to me.
Kitty is usually mislimbait and Roden just pretty much scumclaimed.
Can we kill Roden please?
Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 3:12 am
by furtiveglance
In post 392, Greeting wrote: In post 338, fireisredsir wrote:i think furtive can be town for being funny
he wasn't very funny as scum
maybe more that he seems relaxed here
Fine, I'll look into that. Though tbf even if I put
furtiveglance
in my PoE, deep down I think it would be wiser to eliminate a more obvious scum today.
Really weird comment. I don't agree with RR being 'obvious scum'.
