In post 237, Datisi wrote:ari can maybe be town if she saw something that i also saw. ok no point in being vague when i didn't out too many reads, if she noticed that baltar not voting me is weird, then yeah +town
Red flag.
You think I'm obligated to vote you as my rvs?
i feel like the other reasons so far to suspect datisi feel a bit... better than this
why is this a red flag? datisi feeling entitled to an rvs vote?
In post 237, Datisi wrote:ari can maybe be town if she saw something that i also saw. ok no point in being vague when i didn't out too many reads, if she noticed that baltar not voting me is weird, then yeah +town
do you think it's likely i rand scum and then enter townreading you for no reason, after knowing you gave me a lot of shit for that when i was scum?
"How dare you scumread me for doing something that would be suboptimal for me as scum, I intentionally did that so you couldn't call me scum!" -Scumtisi
his anxiety levels went from 0 to 100 real quick and by 279, he's already invoking wifom as defense.
you said you'll be obvtown soon so we'll see!
Yeah this! First time I'm townreading HEM
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 2:46 am
by Ydrasse
eatin some yogurt
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 2:47 am
by Ausuka
In post 383, Irrelephant11 wrote:"How dare you scumread me for doing something that would be suboptimal for me as scum, I intentionally did that so you couldn't call me scum!" -Scumtisi
This is funny and also town probably
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 3:04 am
by Irrelephant11
In post 290, Ausuka wrote:Like acting like I'm making this push because I don't understand how mafia works or something just feels super not genuine from Datisi here. I don't think my concern with handing GL an easy townread in a situation where it defuses tension between him and Datisi is super unreasonable or difficult to understand.
Agreed that Datisi got super defensive when "good point, you can be town" would have been a townier response
In post 292, humaneatingmonkey wrote:not me but ari has barely pushed you seriously and you already pulled out a wifom defense where i expected more goofing to be present
- i had a gut townread on ari for noticing something is up with baltar
- that's good, but i don't know EXACTLY what she saw. if she saw what i did, then that's even better townpings.
- write out the first part of the post
- realize that (1) scum!ari could probably deduce what i was looking for, based on what i said and what she said in thread so far; (2) even if she couldn't, scum!ari could probably fake her reasoning on baltar ANYWAY because she has seen us in games together way too many times
- realize that there is no opportunity to actually get the stronger townread on aristeia
- decide that the weaker, gut townread is still worth mentioning as a starting point and as a way to get the game going forward
This is my first time having the thought "maybe Datisi is too stressed to be scum? Aren't most of the possible scumteams in this playerlist a Good Time(tm) and shouldn't scumtisi therefore be enjoying himself a bit more?
But that's like wifom-ing myself into townreading Datisi when the only AI thing I feel like I know how to use on Datisi is whether he's having a good time [yes=town] [no=scum]
In post 247, humaneatingmonkey wrote:dats, why didn't you withhold your ari read before she can explain what her baltar read was so you can read her better
well for one, she can still explain it. for two, i think scum-her is capable of faking that read. so i don't think it's too alignment-indicative either way.
Do you think scamper's ISO is especially townie or something?
his first few posts are fluff, I don't like the phrasing of 108 it doesn't actually give me any idea why scamper thinks HEM is scum while being an easy thing to say to justify your vote, 110 is offensively non-offensive. 114 also gave me a feel of trying to stir shit around Nero without actually directly getting involved.
specifically I really dislike the trailing "..." on 114, that's what gives me the shit stirring vibe. like if you think Nero being wrong in 113 means something, say that, if you don't, what's the point of the post
In post 211, Ausuka wrote:I've decided Datisi is scum but we should let him live because he's cool
Datisi I'm putting you in the penalty box
, you're gonna need to start wowing me with some better reads to get out
Bolded are places where I was surprised at GuiltyLion feeling a little firey, a little overly negative, something off about the vibe.
I dunno maybe I'm inserting a tone that isn't there but I just got negative vibes from a lot of these posts? Like a puppy trying to assert dominance. Whereas I feel like from InnocentLion I'm used to something a bit more like an older dog slowly and professor-ishly catching scum.
No offense @GL I'm just using the best silly metaphor I can think of
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 3:12 am
by Ausuka
Like is there any reason you seem to think it's so improbable that I have an early game gutread
In post 370, Ausuka wrote:Why do you ask? I think there's enough content here that you don't have to pick at vibe reads
Seemed like a read not based in reality.
What should I be picking at?
What does "a read not based in reality" actually mean
It means it seems like you made it up and now you are covering poo with ~vibes~
This feels like a wildly out-of-nowhere take?? Like even if you think Ausuka's wrong I'm not sure why it's so unbelievable that her wrong read would be based on vibes
In post 247, humaneatingmonkey wrote:dats, why didn't you withhold your ari read before she can explain what her baltar read was so you can read her better
well for one, she can still explain it. for two, i think scum-her is capable of faking that read. so i don't think it's too alignment-indicative either way.
Why bring it up if it's NAI?
wow can't believe Datisi is the planned D1 bus for once
halfway through writing that post, i realized that ari has enough experience with both of us in the same game, she would've been able to fabricate the reasoning. but my gut still said it's slightly townie and i wanted to put it out there.
Is this post hoc reasoning?
(I said I was going to leave you for ari, and now I've made myself a liar. Damn you, Datisi!)
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 3:18 am
by Irrelephant11
Question for you Ausuka - should I scumread fireisredsir for starting the game with this post
In post 4, fireisredsir wrote:im actually really sad i didn't roll scum here, it would've been so much fun
and then having the time of his life for the next however-many-pages-he-was-around? Or should I continue to townread him for the joyous vibe and for having 2-3 towny posts?
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 3:19 am
by Ausuka
I was scumreading that but when he was around and poking me I thought that was towny so idk
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 3:20 am
by VP Baltar
In post 394, Irrelephant11 wrote:This feels like a wildly out-of-nowhere take?? Like even if you think Ausuka's wrong I'm not sure why it's so unbelievable that her wrong read would be based on vibes
Mostly because Nero hadn't done anything out of normal range there, fmpov, so I wanted to press a little bit and see if she had any deeper reasoning for making a town read there. She did not.
I think pushing on flimsy reads early on in a game can be a fruitful way to catch scum before they find their footing.
