Marketplace Mafia III - Game Over

[Magua]

Vote Count 5.9

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

uʍop ǝpısdn (3): 1baldeagle1, ProHawk, Espeonage
Nero Cain (3): Lord Mhork, Garuda, zMuffinMan
zMuffinMan (2): Nero Cain, pieguyn
BBmolla (2): Ghostly Penguin, Harakiri

Not Voting (4): VoidedMafia, Lost Butterfly, BBmolla, uʍop ǝpısdn

Deadline for Day 5 is Thursday, December 5th, at 4:00pm EST (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2013-12-05 16:00:00)

[pieguyn]

ugh zmuffin is mindfucking the shit out of me

I don't even know anymore. I'm feeling better about him, but I'm not letting him off the hook yet.

i really wasn't even questioning the roleblock, but it's only confirmed from your PoV so i don't know why you're acting like it should be confirmed from mine.

I'm practically 100% town at this point thanks to being locked out of NK. and this means that I'm probably going to die tonight, given what happened with Peregrine. I wasn't lying, so it might as well be confirmed from everyone else's PoV, especially since you all should be receiving my flip practically immediately.

[pieguyn]

in retrospect that KA lynch was terrible

I admit I kind of fucked up on my read on him, but looking back on him, he was pretty much the definition of town who acts scummy, but who if you look into the true intent in his posts you see a lot of town intent. that wagon was probably insanely scum-driven, more likely near the start

KingdomAces

(9): Lost Butterfly, Garuda, BBmolla, uʍop ǝpısdn, Harakiri,

pieguyn

, Ghostly Penguin, Espeonage, zMuffinMan
VoidedMafia (3): 1baldeagle1, ProHawk, Nero Cain
Nero Cain (1): Lord Mhork
uʍop ǝpısdn (1): VoidedMafia

Not Voting (2):

PeregrineV

,

KingdomAces

just looking at it I immediately see Garuda/BB/uwop as possible scumspects. interesting how it happens to match some of my scumreads

the votes on voided also seem interesting in retrospect. I'm seeing baldeadle/Voided bus as a possibility here. but we can't definitely say anything about this without either of their flips

also, all the scum are necessarily voting. shooting from the hip, probably 4 scum on the wagon, 1 off?

Seanald

(10): Espeonage,

KingdomAces

, Ghostly Penguin,

pieguyn

, Lord Mhork,

morph the cat

, Harakiri, ProHawk, VoidedMafia, 1baldeagle1
VoidedMafia (5): uʍop ǝpısdn, Nero Cain,

Seanald

, BBmolla,

PeregrineV

Nero Cain (2): zMuffinMan, Lost Butterfly

KingdomAces

(1): Garuda

Not Voting (0):

I fkin hate baldeagle's jump on him. it should at least ping him in some way that his major scumread was on that wagon, but all he says is

Seanald is wayyyyyyyy scummier than Voided, lol.

it just seems really opportunistic 0.0

[pieguyn]

and after thinking about it this takes me way away from zmuffin and towards here

vote: Espeonage

of all the people on both wagons: {Harakiri, Ghostly Penguin, Espeonage} along with zmuffin who was in spirit on the seanald wagon, Espeonage seems the most suspicious. if he's scum, he's right hand since the counterwagon was left hand scum DoctorPepper

I also don't like Espeonage's push on the Seanald wagon. the way uwop called him on it looked kind of legitimate, but I don't think this is alignment indicative, especially bc multiball

[pieguyn]

baldeagle's jump also matches the idea of him x voided cross bus and then him needing a way onto the wagon, rather than continuing to bus his partner

[Magua]

Prodded Lost Butterfly.

[Voidedmafia]

Where has LB been the past two days, anyways?

[BBmolla]

I'll take blame for the KA mislynch if you want. I don't particularly see how it was "retrospectively terrible" except that he was town.

[Lost Butterfly]

Where has LB been the past two days, anyways?

Away in Toronto all weekend with no computer access for a Bar Mitzvah! (Hence the V/LA.)

I'm working now, but just want to say that the upside down miniwagon was horrible and I found both ProHawk and baldeagle's reaction to it opportunistic and suspicious--in particular, baldeagle using upside down's vote on Pie as his ONLY reason for voting him. Upside down's pieguyn vote wasn't even scummy! pie's case had more to do with how ud interacted with him earlier in the game and that vote being the culmination of all that. But it seems like baldeagle heard other people call that post scummy and just parroted it.

Muffin, when exactly did your Garuda scumread suddenly appear? It feels like you didn't suspect them all that much until people were seriously discussing them as a lynch option.

(FWIW, I'm actually confused by where the sudden scumreads on Garuda are coming from. My suspicions are mostly because Empire isn't posting, they've been passive and prone to attacking weaker players at times, and Faraday (who is much better at reading players like Empire and Nacho than I am) thought they were scummy when I asked him for advice about the game last night. But the reasons other people are suspecting them seem to boil down to, "They're one of the town leaders, and they're wrong sometimes.")

[Lost Butterfly]

Also, ProHawk, hypothetically, let's say I had a guilty investigation on you.

Hypothetically speaking

, of course. What would be the cause of that?

[Harakiri]

My read came from a test. I wasn't on the KingdomAces bandwagon at first, but after Garuda full-on

shut down

my Prohawk wagon, I figured a KA wagon would let us see Garuda's alignment clearer. It did. I'm going to go as far as to say both Empire and Nacho would have a better hit rate this game(and it wouldn't be on a player that is really really easy to mislynch) if they were town.

Speaking of which,

I'm going out of town for Thanksgiving tomorrow through Sunday.

Sakura should still be around, I think(?).

[1baldeagle1]

in retrospect that KA lynch was terrible

I admit I kind of fucked up on my read on him, but looking back on him, he was pretty much the definition of town who acts scummy, but who if you look into the true intent in his posts you see a lot of town intent. that wagon was probably insanely scum-driven, more likely near the start

KingdomAces

(9): Lost Butterfly, Garuda, BBmolla, uʍop ǝpısdn, Harakiri,

pieguyn

, Ghostly Penguin, Espeonage, zMuffinMan
VoidedMafia (3): 1baldeagle1, ProHawk, Nero Cain
Nero Cain (1): Lord Mhork
uʍop ǝpısdn (1): VoidedMafia

Not Voting (2):

PeregrineV

,

KingdomAces

just looking at it I immediately see Garuda/BB/uwop as possible scumspects. interesting how it happens to match some of my scumreads

the votes on voided also seem interesting in retrospect. I'm seeing baldeadle/Voided bus as a possibility here. but we can't definitely say anything about this without either of their flips

also, all the scum are necessarily voting. shooting from the hip, probably 4 scum on the wagon, 1 off?

Seanald

(10): Espeonage,

KingdomAces

, Ghostly Penguin,

pieguyn

, Lord Mhork,

morph the cat

, Harakiri, ProHawk, VoidedMafia, 1baldeagle1
VoidedMafia (5): uʍop ǝpısdn, Nero Cain,

Seanald

, BBmolla,

PeregrineV

Nero Cain (2): zMuffinMan, Lost Butterfly

KingdomAces

(1): Garuda

Not Voting (0):

I fkin hate baldeagle's jump on him. it should at least ping him in some way that his major scumread was on that wagon, but all he says is

Seanald is wayyyyyyyy scummier than Voided, lol.

it just seems really opportunistic 0.0

"Hey, don't lynch me! You know what, I'm going to take $100 from all of you" pretty much equals a scumclaim.

Where has LB been the past two days, anyways?

Away in Toronto all weekend with no computer access for a Bar Mitzvah! (Hence the V/LA.)

I'm working now, but just want to say that the upside down miniwagon was horrible and I found both ProHawk and baldeagle's reaction to it opportunistic and suspicious--in particular, baldeagle using upside down's vote on Pie as his ONLY reason for voting him. Upside down's pieguyn vote wasn't even scummy! pie's case had more to do with how ud interacted with him earlier in the game and that vote being the culmination of all that. But it seems like baldeagle heard other people call that post scummy and just parroted it.

Muffin, when exactly did your Garuda scumread suddenly appear? It feels like you didn't suspect them all that much until people were seriously discussing them as a lynch option.

(FWIW, I'm actually confused by where the sudden scumreads on Garuda are coming from. My suspicions are mostly because Empire isn't posting, they've been passive and prone to attacking weaker players at times, and Faraday (who is much better at reading players like Empire and Nacho than I am) thought they were scummy when I asked him for advice about the game last night. But the reasons other people are suspecting them seem to boil down to, "They're one of the town leaders, and they're wrong sometimes.")

What about it that wasn't scummy to you? I thought it was pretty scummy when I first saw it.

[zMuffinMan]

Muffin, when exactly did your Garuda scumread suddenly appear? It feels like you didn't suspect them all that much until people were seriously discussing them as a lynch option.

today, really. he's always been in my meh-could-be-town-could-be-scum pile but poe + his play yesterday is making me think scum

i still think you, mhork, pieguy, ghosty, harakiri, ud are town. of the remaining players, voided is probably town, nero and prohawk are the two players i feel most strongly about being scum. then it goes {baldy -> espeonage -> garuda -> bbMolla} in terms of town -> scum

[Lord Mhork]

Mhork, what are your reads?

Town:
Voided
Muffin
Prohawk
Garuda
baldeagle

Nullish:
Pie
LB
Espeon
BBMolla
GP

Scum:
Nero
Hara (? ish?)
Upside (? skeezy vibes? i dunno maybe)

Unfortunately I'm not really connected to the game. I know that there are obviously scum in my nulls, but this is where I currently stand, I think.

[pieguyn]

town
5. pieguyn (replaces guille2015)
6. Lost Butterfly (a hydra of Faraday and Mina)
12. Harakiri (a hydra of Natirasha and Sakura Hana)
17. Lord Mhork

null
1. VoidedMafia*
11. Ghostly Penguin (a hydra of Ghostlin and penguin_alien) (replaces Banakai)

null-scum
10. BBmolla
14. zMuffinMan
16. ProHawk

scum
3. Nero Cain
7. Garuda (a hydra of Empire and Nachomamma8)
13. uʍop ǝpısdn (a hydra of N and Quilford)
19. 1baldeagle1
21. Espeonage (replaces JacobSavage who replaced Klick)

that seems about right. however, looking back on it, I don't see any town intent, nor scum on town intent for baldeagle to freeze a vote on Voided, especially when he went and reconsidered his reado on him. if baldeagle is town then it's really stupid and if it's scum on town then it's such a ridiculous move that it'd be pretty much a death wish. this seems like a bus and we srsly need to look at Voided again if baldeagle flips scum

garuda and nero probably aren't aligned. with the almost absolute lack of red flips, I'd think garuda wouldn't bother calling nero out this close to LyLo. it's not impossible, but it's a fairly safe assumption we can make at this point IMO. ofc they could still be opposite scum, with the exception of below

if one of my scumreads is wrong then the last one is in null-scum somewhere. order goes prohawk > zmuffin > bbmolla. alternatively, if one is wrong and baldeagle flips scum it's probably voided

Wouldn't it be 4 since we lynched one?

^ I'm paranoid this is a scumslip and not just forgetfulness. it would explain the lack of red NKs, since thanks to PV we can be sure the two teams didn't get aligned, and I find it hard to believe none of them got killed by coincidence. perhaps there really was just one scumteam of 5 people the whole time. it'd also explain where the hell all their money seems to be coming from

who the hell are we lynching

[pieguyn]

wait nvm it says in the first post it's multiball

so much for that @_@

[pieguyn]

ok if anyone needs any more evidence as to why we should lynch Espeonage look at this shit
http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?a ... 8&sr=posts
alive in at least 2 other games and posting there, but not here

someone fkin sheep me for once so we can win plz

[Garuda]

He could have just lied about advertising it though

Money tracking.

Seanald for a day, Nero.

Nero is Nero and hasn't done anything stupid mechanics wise unless I'm horribly misremembering.

Love Potion.

All he has to do is claim he advertised other things for more money and no worries about getting attacked for advertising blatantly anti town things.

I forgot about love potion. I fail to see how that mistake is worthy of a lynch, though.

[Garuda]

Also, ProHawk, hypothetically, let's say I had a guilty investigation on you.

Hypothetically speaking

, of course. What would be the cause of that?

What kind of question is this?

[Garuda]

I wouldn't mind lynching Espeonage either.

[Lost Butterfly]

Jacob put 5 each on cop, tracker, wage freeze and watcher.

Jacob put 5 each on cop, tracker, wage freeze and watcher.

Nothing on doctor?

Yeah, sorry. I didn't copy paste from the PM I got, missed it.

I still think this looks like a legit town slip rather than him changing his story when under pressure. (FTR, Jacob had already claimed to have advertised all five things in the thread, though.)

pieguyn, question. When you replaced in, were you sent a PM with all your predecessor's actions?

[Lost Butterfly]

Also, ProHawk, hypothetically, let's say I had a guilty investigation on you.

Hypothetically speaking

, of course. What would be the cause of that?

What kind of question is this?

Is your name ProHawk? No? Then why do you have thoughts on it?

[Lost Butterfly]

Well...you're allowed to have

thoughts

on it, but you know what I mean.

What about it that wasn't scummy to you? I thought it was pretty scummy when I first saw it.

I'm pretty sure I already gave my thoughts on why I found that vote to be in a natural place on Day 4. But you first. What exactly

was

scummy about it?

Also, what's your current read on Muffin?

[Magua]

Espeonage, uʍop ǝpısdn, and Ghostly Penguin have been prodded.

[BBmolla]

Someone explain upside down scum to me pls