Team Mafia 2018: Inventions Mafia Day 4

[GuiltyLion]

just don't get paranoid and do something stupid like lynching Smocaine or Creature

[Creature]

Invention should be given to someone really scummy.

[singersigner]

Invention should be given to someone really scummy.

My team agrees.

This invention thing is really starting to suck. I feel like the scummier ones are the ones not making good choices, so why do we want to trust them with a PR. That being said, I recognize that we've only flipped goons so far so they are likely without anything either and the only strategy is to avoid town getting them.

Vonflare was probably a less than ideal kill for scum over someone like me or Smocaine. A kill is better than no kill and confirmation. So with that knowledge I'm probably an idiot for thinking there was any strategy to it anyway.

My thoughts at this point:
-Errant hasn't changed, how anyone can be this MIA in a game and not be considered scummy is beyond me. Patrick was trying to dig up meta on this and his only experience was EP lurking as scum (I've asked him to find it for reference, will post when he does). No town meta to back up any difference, though.
-Aneninen flip really bums me out because I wanted to break the game...
-Will plan on doing vote/elect analysis (read: going with my gut). Does anyone have anyone on their team who might be willing to do this/feels like they're better at it?
-Last ditch paranoia that chesskid hard bussed his buddies and replaced out once it worked to avoid having to answer to not being nightkilled since a replacement can't answer to that. I hate myself a little bit for this one, though...
-I had zero gut reads on anyone else in this game so...sorry. -_-

[Creature]

I feel more confident on EP flipping scum over GL.

[Something_Smart]

I feel more confident on EP flipping scum over GL.

This was my stance coming into the day, although all of GL's posts today have been pretty much exactly the type of thing I'd expect him to be doing as scum.

Also GL did you just call me a lurker?

[Something_Smart]

Don't think it matters though, as neither GL nor EP is making it to LYLO unless they're cleared.

[Errantparabola]

I'm fine taking the tracker. I'm also fine with it being leashed (it will certainly be of some use but whether that is optimal is up to the collective to decide). Otherwise I'll let my team decide.

There are games that I lurk, town and scum. There are some games that I don't lurk, town and scum. The former unfortunately tends to outnumber the latter. Really don't think I've been contributing significantly less or more than anyone else right now.

So things like this:

how anyone can be this MIA in a game and not be considered scummy is beyond me

are reasonable when saying "hey EP didn't do much this game so I scumread" but framing it this way, like i've been powerlurking in a gamestate where people are posting mostly either a) empty or insignificant thoughts or b) thoughts that have been hashed out over and over again is disingenuous.

In any case, as the contrapositive to Aneninen being town;

just don't get paranoid and do something stupid like lynching Smocaine or Creature

this plausibly comes from someone who knows they'd flip town

[Errantparabola]

More elaboration on the last point, io was strongly townreading Aneninen near the end for a lot of reasons: genuinely trying to revitalize the game, emotion at the end, being paranoid of Smocaine.

On the other hand i can see GL statically holding on to reads. No paranoia or gamesolvey intent, etc etc. the real issue is that lots of town are doing that too. there are a lot of things pointing to GL possibly being town, like RC bus near the end (which I guess really shouldn't have any weight) and I guess the way that GL is playing today is talking about next steps after his lynch.

Would like BYF to chime in before tracker votes. I'll let him decide what that means.

BYF's chimed in: what did that change about you regarding the tracker votes?

Actually, a better way to ask that question is: are people willing to bet the game on my alignment?

this reads really towny to me.

Elect: Errantparabola.

[Errantparabola]

Okay so we need a townblock of three for autowin.

I feel like I'm the most widely townread person behind Smocaine and Creature... is that accurate?

think I'm willing to bet on you and Creature.

[singersigner]

Would like BYF to chime in before tracker votes. I'll let him decide what that means.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh?

Well I was trying to leave it up to your interpretation on whether or not to say if you used the protect and who you used it on.

Not sure why you claimed using it knowing there was a one-shot tracker option...

[Smocaine]

Would like BYF to chime in before tracker votes. I'll let him decide what that means.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh?

Well I was trying to leave it up to your interpretation on whether or not to say if you used the protect and who you used it on.

Not sure why you claimed using it knowing there was a one-shot tracker option...

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[singersigner]

Is there some inside joke I'm not getting?

[BigYoshiFan]

I'm probably not gonna be encouraged to do anything else besides this:
VOTE: GuiltyLion

Elect EP

[Creature]

Not liking how the game is going.

[Creature]

I'm starting to think both GL and EP will flip town because RC should be more competent than that.

[Creature]

I think it's Something_Smart. Scum!him knows how to look towny without actually scumhunting.

[Creature]

A townblock of three won't be enough to win us the game.

[Creature]

Guessing signersinger is also town.

[Creature]

I'm town.
Smocaine is town.
signersigner is town.
GuiltyLion is town.
Errantparabola is town.

Who's left? Something_Smart and BigYoshiFan.

[Creature]

Tracker should be given to someone who knows what he/she's doing.

[singersigner]

I'm starting to think both GL and EP will flip town because RC should be more competent than that.

I think it's Something_Smart. Scum!him knows how to look towny without actually scumhunting.

Can you elaborate on these points? What's the reference to RC about and what does scum SS actually look like?

[Creature]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=72817

iiSq is Something_Smart's alt.

[Creature]

He managed to look town despite not actually scumhunting.

[Creature]

Both GL and EP don't feel like they actually want to survive for RC's legacy.

[Creature]

Also, pretty sure RC must've had a plan D1.