Cosmos Mafia (Dawn 1)

[Ydrasse]

funniest world is opposing wolf teams

[MathBlade]

Funny thing that.

I gotta work now but I will hammer like NM

[Yume]

We're informed that at least one of the scum has a role almost identical to us.

Ah yes, the mafia loyal neopolitan indeed

I think it implies Mastina, who get innocents from VTs, ATTUNEMENTS from PRs and Scum.

So... Yep.

I am a PR and I am one of her townreads.

[Radical Rat]

I have neither the time nor energy to read through whatever nonsense has been filling the thread this time, but it really seems pretty straightforward to me.

MMR claimed a soft-guilty from Loyal, but apparently doesn't trust their own result.

PPF has claimed not ascetic, so the only other way the result isn't guilty from Town!MMR is if there was a roleblocker, which I find to be exceedingly unlikely given the multiple PR claims a roleblocker might target instead, and the existence of a roleblocker at all being unconfirmed.

So AT LEAST one of them HAS to be scum. SvS is possible, but TvT is such a remote possibility as to not be worth considering. I think MMR's claim is a dishonest attempt at influencing an elimination while avoiding responsibility for the flip, so I'm willing to bet MMR is scum here and want to flip them first, see what their role actually is, and judge PPF from there.

I do understand the desire to just follow the guilty instead, and I figure PPF has a decent shot at being scum based on my D1 reads, so I'll help that go through if it becomes necessary, but thinking critically about this the claim just doesn't make sense, so I prefer that be settled first.

[Yume]

I try my hardest to be open-minded when it comes to mastina, as I promised, but I can't find anything scummy in her posts.

[MathBlade]

^^ What RR said

I don’t want to influence town to elim one way or the other. I think we learn a lot, but I think while a Mastina elim would also be good MMR/PPF would be better.

If MMR/PPF = S&S same alignment gambit failed and lmao including for completeness don’t believe that
If MMR/PPF = S&S diff alignments probable then we learn likely but not absolutely who is aligned where
If MMR/PPF = T/S or S/T people can be read by stances
If MMR/PPF = T/T then wtf is this day?

[Past Present Future]

We're informed that at least one of the scum has a role almost identical to us.

Ah yes, the mafia loyal neopolitan indeed

I think it implies Mastina, who get innocents from VTs, ATTUNEMENTS from PRs and Scum.

So... Yep.

This is a terrible take and if you’re town here look elsewhere, because Mastina isn’t scum here. I will still die on that hill.

[Scarfmanship]

Yeah it does feel really sleazy from MMR to tack that on, and I am now saying we should kill only in MMR/PPF today (changed from PPF/mastina), and I think the most likely case is SvS different alignments, (probably ppf solar mmr lunar based on night actions) and i don't have anything else to say without repeating myself for 5 pages and the quiet people need to talk, so get to it.

[MMR]

I’m rolefishing now but that sounds like not a good response to loyal neowhwyeber

Yeah neither is MMR not voting for PPF

It’s why I wanna elim one and vig the other.

What happens if one of us flips Town?
I think that you should save your vig shot on mastina if you eliminate us today.
Because, once we flip, it should be obvious that mastina's role has a high chance of being scum's equivalent of our role.
-Rubella

[MMR]

Tl;Dr I don't think that PPF should be vigged over mastina.
-Rubella

[MathBlade]

I promise to think about it overnight. I won’t promise one way or the other.

If you’re scum you can’t plan that way
And if you’re town scum won’t know what I do.

Best I can do.

[Enchant]

We're informed that at least one of the scum has a role almost identical to us.

Ah yes, the mafia loyal neopolitan indeed

I think it implies Mastina, who get innocents from VTs, ATTUNEMENTS from PRs and Scum.

So... Yep.

This is a terrible take and if you’re town here look elsewhere, because Mastina isn’t scum here. I will still die on that hill.

You are last person in this game i will listen on mech matters, regardless of your alignment and i think you are scum.

Denied.

[MathBlade]

Actually…I just thought of something.

If we assume every premise from MMR is true then scum factional might be roleblocking based on role type/name.

Scum do have non traditional factionals according to the OP.

Or maybe a lightning rod to an ascetic scum?

No one else claim but did anyone else have powers messed up?

[MathBlade]

If you didn’t have powers messed up then don’t care not asking about you.

[Past Present Future]

We're informed that at least one of the scum has a role almost identical to us.

Ah yes, the mafia loyal neopolitan indeed

I think it implies Mastina, who get innocents from VTs, ATTUNEMENTS from PRs and Scum.

So... Yep.

This is a terrible take and if you’re town here look elsewhere, because Mastina isn’t scum here. I will still die on that hill.

You are last person in this game i will listen on mech matters, regardless of your alignment and i think you are scum.

Denied.

Bite me!

No one - least of all YOU and I mean this very respectfully -is going to ever shut me up in this or other game I’m in, so you can get reckt.

[Past Present Future]

I’m rolefishing now but that sounds like not a good response to loyal neowhwyeber

Yeah neither is MMR not voting for PPF

It’s why I wanna elim one and vig the other.

What happens if one of us flips Town?
I think that you should save your vig shot on mastina if you eliminate us today.
Because, once we flip, it should be obvious that mastina's role has a high chance of being scum's equivalent of our role.
-Rubella

Idk if Mastina’s capable of faking tone like this. She has also lock tr me once as scum but she posted like a robot in that game. Couldn’t there be another role that could possibly explain this?

[Toogeloo]

What motivation does scum Loyal claim a failed action?

[MathBlade]

I’m rolefishing now but that sounds like not a good response to loyal neowhwyeber

Yeah neither is MMR not voting for PPF

It’s why I wanna elim one and vig the other.

What happens if one of us flips Town?
I think that you should save your vig shot on mastina if you eliminate us today.
Because, once we flip, it should be obvious that mastina's role has a high chance of being scum's equivalent of our role.
-Rubella

Idk if Mastina’s capable of faking tone like this. She has also lock tr me once as scum but she posted like a robot in that game. Couldn’t there be another role that could possibly explain this?

Lightning rod to ascetic scum would work?

But then I’d expect multiple people to be complaining their powers didn’t work.

If someone had their powers work then that fails.

[MathBlade]

Oh wait nope. By definition ascetic lightning rod wouldn’t be able to be targeted.

Mass redirection bypassing ascetic somehow

Or scum alien on PPF?

[MathBlade]

I’d buy alien on PPF. Doesn’t feel like it from the play though.

[Toogeloo]

Was there a plan for MMR to target PPF yesterday? If that was put out into the universe, could some scum-fuckery have caused result issues, especially if PPF is as widely town read as suggested. Some one break down the chain of events. Otherwise, I'm just assuming what I have been.

[Past Present Future]

What motivation does scum Loyal claim a failed action?

Yeah good point but I’ve never been wrong on tone reading Mastina before. I really hate it when mech and my gut reads don’t mesh.

UNVOTE:

[MathBlade]

Was there a plan for MMR to target PPF yesterday? If that was put out into the universe, could some scum-fuckery have caused result issues, especially if PPF is as widely town read as suggested. Some one break down the chain of events. Otherwise, I'm just assuming what I have been.

Don’t think so.

I am thinking Mastina wanted me dead.
Didn’t think I would claim something confirmable.

PPF is either ascetic or unlucky town.

I lean the first.

Lunar team kills professor

Which means that professor’s other team reads good.

[MathBlade]

So
Mastina/Bunny/PPF

And

Dingle/Radja/FA

Makes sense

A team with 2/3rds (or more) DDS/unwd/Fire would kill prof

Prof said he was confirmable with the janitor kill.

I think mainly it’s a matter of if MMR is swapped or unlucky town.

I think the scum teams are going after each other and it’s all for cred.

[MegAzumarill]

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