Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:53 pm
VOTE: DDLIn post 3773, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Bell, vote DDL.
Fine. But later when s-s turns out to be scum I told you so.
Fine. But later when s-s turns out to be scum I told you so.
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Fine. But later when s-s turns out to be scum I told you so.
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:53 pm
VOTE: DDL
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:54 pm
Bell suffers from bussing syndrome
looking to make this a real wagon
looking to make this a real wagon
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:55 pm
dodging responsibility for the elimination, no town motivation, no interest in who is going to be elim'dIn post 3775, Bell wrote:Fine. But later when s-s turns out to be scum I told you so.
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:57 pm
I’m not sure what ddl will flip because I’m town this game.
I’ve never seen town ddl.
I do tend to bus, don’t I?
I’ve never seen town ddl.
I do tend to bus, don’t I?
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:02 pm
Why should I buy your LAMISTIn post 3779, Bell wrote:I’m not sure what ddl will flip because I’m town this game.
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:02 pm
Are you saying you scumread Bell a lot but you’re fine with DDL because Bell voting there is a bussing vote?In post 3778, shellyc wrote:dodging responsibility for the elimination, no town motivation, no interest in who is going to be elim'dIn post 3775, Bell wrote:Fine. But later when s-s turns out to be scum I told you so.
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:03 pm
yeeeeeeeeahIn post 3781, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Are you saying you scumread Bell a lot but you’re fine with DDL because Bell voting there is a bussing vote?
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:03 pm
In post 3780, shellyc wrote:Why should I buy your LAMISTIn post 3779, Bell wrote:I’m not sure what ddl will flip because I’m town this game.
Cause it follows your win condition if you’re town and if it doesn’t, I don’t care.
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:04 pm
Was I not bussing S_S.
My bus was derailed.
My bus was derailed.
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:05 pm
im conflicted on the S_S Sr because its rather conditional to town!you but individually i think they're a fine compromise
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:34 pm
^In post 2665, superbowl9 wrote:We already know you're scum
VOTE: April Ludgate.
I've very strong reason, given what I know of the setup, to doubt this claim and believe it to be fake. (Or if not fake, a scum PR. But, very much not a town one.)In post 2667, April Ludgate wrote:I’m an investigative role.
While I am aware that this is incorrect, I feel it worth noting: going into the night, I agreed with GoldenParadox on this mindset and saw the same things as him.In post 2690, TheGoldenParadox wrote:norwee is scum this game
i'll do a pbpa or whatever but it boils down to opportunistic wagon hopping and quite possibly the most awkward buddying-distancing combo to gamma i've ever seen
However, during the night, I actually reevaluated my read on Norwegian and came to the conclusion that Norwegian was town.
Sadly, that overnight reevaluation was ultimately rendered null and void by D2's start given the announcement confirming this to everyone.
The game where Mena is the N1 scum nightkill because the scum apparently agreed with me and you look like an utter fool for having thought to suggest otherwise.
On that note.
Most people were of the opinion that Morning Mage's twilight posts hard-spewed him as scum.
Thinking on it, I've actually come to the opposite conclusion. Yes, surprise! Shock! I am reevaluating my take on him and now am of the opinion that he's actually locktown.
Well the fact that if the scum didn't kill Menalque they killed Ban Hydras and Ban Hydras flipped town seems evidence enough of this.In post 2706, Morning Mage wrote:you think Gamma-scum means BH-town? eh...how so?
(Honestly either kill could've been a scum kill. Menalque is the one I feel is more likely the scumkill because Mena was a near-universal townread who is a strong town player that's logical, reasonable, and fairly charismatic, but I do admit that, while less likely, the scum
could
have shot Ban Hydras as a player that was still seen as town, who could have those same properties. It's like 75% likely to be scum killed Menalque, something else killed Ban Hydras.)Comparing the two twilights, no contest here: April.In post 2737, Menalque wrote:I think probably no more than one in (April, MM)
This I agree with.In post 2737, Menalque wrote:Tsylor is still a high equity scumslot for the soft defence of gamma and then getting salty when called on it
These I also agree with by the way.In post 2737, Menalque wrote:Super Bowl is annoying but town
Nero is town, mastina is town, Titus is town
A50 town, norwee town
Shelly probably town for the CW
Plus is another slot I have reason to believe is town, now, by the way.In post 2737, Menalque wrote:Plus and ddl are both straddling the line of bait and scum
By play, I'd agree, but by new POE, Misty might be necessarily inherently scum via the "SOMEBODY needs to be scum" principle.In post 2737, Menalque wrote:Chemist is maybe town? Actually yeah, chemist town
Given MM and Plus town, that leaves {April, DDL, Tayl0r, Bell, Pickaxe Pete} from Menalque's list.In post 2757, Menalque wrote:Okay, the PoE for tomorrow is (MM, plus, ddl, taylor, bell, pickaxe pete)
In the (frighteningly slim) number of worlds where MM isn’t scum, april goes into the pool
Do I think that those five contain the remaining four scum?
Not all four, but at least 2-3 of the four, absolutely.
I still feel Pickaxe Pete is town of a similar strength to GoldenParadox, and April's lockscum with Tayl0r a strong scum candidate, leaving 0-2 scum in {Bell, DDL}, and for Bell, I'm also applying the same ruling as I am to Misty: townreading Bell's content, but by POE, might be scum because someone needs to be. DDL by POE is also a great scum candidate.
But with Plus as town, quite probable that both are scum.In post 2775, Menalque wrote:Actually, looking at that, I think if plus!scum probably only 1 in (ddl, tsylor)
I personally think that April specifically taking this stance locks April as scum.In post 2824, April Ludgate wrote:I personally think Morning Mage is bleeding town.
So, my readslist coming into D2 is thus:
Titus
Nero Cain
Almost50
superbowl9
Morning Mage
NorwegianboyEE
PlusJOYED
Vecna
jjh927
samantha97slot
EchoVisionslot-if-April's-scum
TheGoldenParadox (almost a locktown candidate, but not quite)
Pickaxe Pete
EchoVision-if-April's-not-scum
Bell
DiamondSentinel
Christøpher/Chemist
DrDolittle
Tayl0r Swift
April Ludgate
That is to say.
April's scum here for sure (thus my vote).
Tayl0r's like 90+% scum here.
There's two scum likely in {DDL, Misty, DiamondSentinel, Bell}.
I've had townreads on the latter three, but by necessity one of these townreads must be wrong, two if DDL's town.
Starting my D2 read now.
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:37 pm
hmmmmmmIn post 3786, mastina wrote:I've very strong reason, given what I know of the setup, to doubt this claim and believe it to be fake. (Or if not fake, a scum PR. But, very much not a town one.)
reading through that wall: mastina you're my soulmate
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:38 pm
For the sake of clarity.
That makes my readslist right now be:
Titus
Nero Cain
Almost50
superbowl9
Morning Mage
NorwegianboyEE
PlusJOYED
Vecna/Mathblade
jjh927
samantha97/shellyc
EchoVision/Something_Smart-if-April's-scum
TheGoldenParadox (almost a locktown candidate, but not quite)
Pickaxe Pete
EchoVision/Something_Smart-if-April's-not-scum
Bell
DiamondSentinel
Christøpher/Misty
DrDolittle
Tayl0r Swift
April Ludgate
Locktown strong town poe-this-area-does-have-scum leanscum scumread lockscum.
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:38 pm
In post 3786, mastina wrote: However, during the night, I actually reevaluated my read on Norwegian and came to the conclusion that Norwegian was town.
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:39 pm
well except the taylor part
talk to me about taylor why is that slot scum
talk to me about taylor why is that slot scum
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:43 pm
In post 2887, Chemist1422 wrote:nice
You two aren't helping the case for you being poe scum by the way since both of your openings are the sort that scum would do.In post 2890, DiamondSentinel wrote:Public cop and 2 kills. Hmm... Spooky.
They've been a conftown read of mine the majority of the game and nothing has transpired to make me think otherwise; to the contrary, everything reinforces and reaffirms that read.In post 2894, PlusJOYED wrote:how do you guys feel on the shellyc slot
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:45 pm
i got cleared by plus, apparently the Odd-Night Disloyal Cop-InventorIn post 3791, mastina wrote:They've been a conftown read of mine the majority of the game and nothing has transpired to make me think otherwise; to the contrary, everything reinforces and reaffirms that read.
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:46 pm
+1In post 3791, mastina wrote:You two aren't helping the case for you being poe scum by the way since both of your openings are the sort that scum would do.
mastina is my new favourite player
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:56 pm
I did a writeup on most slots overnight.In post 2923, Titus wrote:Here are the results of my VCA last night. My notes will have to wait until I get home and have computer access.
Town Titus
Plusjoyed
Diamond Sentinel
Nero Cain
shellyc
A50
Ban Hydras
mastina
MenalqueAbove Null NorweiganboyEE
The Golden Paradox
superbowl9
BellNull DrDolittle
EchoVision
Vecna
jjh927Lean Scum Chemist1422
April Ludgate
Morning Mage
Pickaxe PeteScum Tayl0r Swift
Basically, from play, I'd agree on Bell and put him in a similar spot as Misty and DiamondSentinel--but from POE, these three are just not in the same degree as towniness as the others.
I probably agree with you that of them, DiamondSentinel is the most town, though, and will trust you there--so there's going to be 1-2 scum in {Bell, Misty} due to April + Tayl0r + DDL requiring one scum, two if any of April/Tayl0r/DDL are town.
Pickaxe Pete is in the same tier to me as TheGoldenParadox, because if you do an iso of the two, they are more or less similar to each other in a lot of ways. I wrote this in a PT about him:
Spoiler: What I wrote
)And as I mentioned, I actually feel like Morning Mage is town now, so that part I disagree with.
But by and large, our reads have huge overlap, in that we agree with every townread (minus Diamond, who due to being the towniest of my poe pile I am willing to sheep you on); we agree on all the Above Null (minus Bell, who I'd have there if not for poe requiring five names as scum); your null/lean scum/scum sections would match mine if moving Vecna, jjh, EchoVisionslot, Morning Mage, and Pickaxe Pete up.
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:00 pm
For the record, to weigh in:In post 2925, MathBlade wrote:I am leaning towards not multiball just the wagons don’t make sense.
I am pretty sure this wouldn't be the first MBOS game to feature a scum doublekill mechanic, so it's possible scum killed
both
Menalque and Ban Hydras.If scum did not kill both Menalque and Ban Hydras, then it'd necessarily need to be either a town role misfiring (where some effect of their role accidentally killed them), or a town vig who took a bad shot.
I do not believe the game to be multiball; I don't even think the game has a serial killer.
The two kills are either both from scum, or one from scum and the other from town. (And if the latter, again, 75-25 it being Mena as the scum kill, but with the admitted possibility of it having been Ban Hydras. We'll presumably not find out for quite some time.)
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:03 pm
An acceptable alternative to April, but the elimination should 100% be one of the two and while Tayl0r's play does strongly indicate scum, my preference is April who is a walking talking scumclaim.In post 2945, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Titus i take it Taylor Swift is your preferred elimination today?
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:09 pm
In post 2951, MathBlade wrote:I think given the flip if you’re going off pure VCa only Mastina can’t be lock town (even though I do townread her) because of nothing gamma’s slip and not voting him.
In post 2880, schadd_ wrote:Gamma Emerald (12):Ban Hydras, Pickaxe Pete, Titus, superbowl9, NorwegianboyEE,, Nero Cain, Menalque, PlusJOYED, Chemist1422, TheGoldenParadox, DiamondSentinelmastina
In post 2959, April Ludgate wrote:I detected motion from Titus
VOTE: April Ludgate
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:10 pm
So like.
Looks an awful lot like it is indeed.
April, Tayl0r, DDL, and then one but not both of {Bell, Misty}.
Bell, Misty, whichever of you is town, you can earn boatloads of towncred by voting/bussing April.
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:12 pm
why is morning townIn post 3790, shellyc wrote:talk to me about taylor why is that slot scum
swap morning -> taylor and that's my solve