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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 3:02 pm
by ssbm_Kyouko
In post 738, Rathe wrote:
In post 590, Titus wrote:Can someone explain the nom wagon because I don't get it at all?
read his iso n it feels like he lost something he originally had
In post 739, Rathe wrote:he came in kinda bold now it feels like he is deflated
In post 740, Rathe wrote:he wanted dwlee to prove himself n vote me n when he did he said he was mafia
So I got nom and osuka mixed up. There are points where rathe is pushing osuka but it doesnt come to anything early on in the game. But here is the culmination of rathe's push on nomnomnom, who later flipped a pretty strong PR. Just before this nom "takes a reset" and rereads the game and suddenly shifts his suspicions off of Rathe. If they were scum together this is an easy time for scum!rathe to ease off of nom, but he doesnt. The push continues here. Pretty sure as you continue to read the iso of rathe, osuka, and nom, switching from non to vax at the replace, Rathe is consistent in pushing both of them. That's what I recall from the reread I did about a week or two ago before Rathe replaced out. Game's been dragging a bit since, but I still think my previous poe is good here.

T3 (No PT)
Save The Dragons (No PT)
ChaosOmega
Titus

So Chaos or Titus are both good today in my book. If they're both town I'd reconsider Gamma/Rathe

Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 3:08 pm
by ssbm_Kyouko
Yeetus
VOTE: Titus

Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:49 pm
by Gamma Emerald
VOTE: Titus

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 1:07 am
by Dwlee99
Gamma what made you say you don't like my interaction -> me being a high town read?

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:03 am
by VFP
In post 461, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 459, Rathe wrote:maybe osuka n nomnomnom r mafia i dont know about dwlee could be but not sure anymore
I still don't know why you see scum!osuka here
Also i saw you don't want to vote Kyouko and I don't know why, care to elaborate on that
Does Nom protect 1 scum buddy while trying to push another?

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:08 am
by Dwlee99
One thought is that nom saying I was scum for voting Rathe is kind of chainsawy, which could indicate partners. I could also just see Osuka/Nom(Vax) aggressively distancing. I noticed Vax and Osuka getting into a little read debate at one point.

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:12 am
by Dragon of the West
In post 2480, osuka wrote:
In post 2323, cyrus62 wrote:ok now before i hammer who should i target?
assuming youre not full of shit, rathe

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:13 am
by Dwlee99
Okay so are we still going with killing rathe here. I'm gonna try to look for Rathe crumbing the PT cop result.

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:16 am
by Dragon of the West
In post 2141, osuka wrote:
In post 1854, Vaxkiller wrote:VOTE: anya

I dont really need an answer, as I already have it.

anya!town doesnt say "they're trying to convince me now that they're a wolf and i should vote for them"

It comes off as knowing ssmb_kyko cant be a wolf. (trying to CONVINCE)

anya!town WOULD SAY "ssmb keeps saying they are a wolf."
this is a stretch and really it reeks of scum trying to justify jumping on a wagon

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:19 am
by Dragon of the West
In post 3782, Dwlee99 wrote:Okay so are we still going with killing rathe here. I'm gonna try to look for Rathe crumbing the PT cop result.
If you find something let me know. I combed through Rathe's ISO when gamma first claimed and found nothing

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:20 am
by Dwlee99
All I found so far is Rathe saying StD is "okay."

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:21 am
by Dwlee99
Kyo why is Andres out of your PoE?

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:22 am
by VFP
Spoiler: Nero
In post 1103, Nero Cain wrote:honestly, I'm just kinda sick of the day phase at this point. I'd be willing to vote any of

Dragon of the West
Rathe
Andresvmb
nomnomnom
DrippingGoofball
Titus
petapan




kinda just want to lynch the Derek12 so this game doesn't stall out b/c no one will replace in
In post 1169, Nero Cain wrote:I'll be pretty stoked if nom flips scum and maybe
In post 927, Andresvmb wrote:I’m trying to decide which one of you is the Scum hiding behind the bad push
just wanted to leave this here
In post 1259, Nero Cain wrote:everyone is already scum reading you Titus.
In post 1266, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1252, Titus wrote:
In post 1247, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 1242, Dragon of the West wrote:
In post 1220, Nero Cain wrote:DOTW, Andre, Dunn are barely playing and the derek slot is still empty
Weird grouping of 3 when I've been just as active if not more active than T3 and Kyo. Not everyone can post 50 times a day
The data:


Dragon of the West
Jun 01, 10:11pm Jun 07, 11:10pm 0 days 0 hours
37

T3
May 31, 08:26am Jun 07, 09:21pm 0 days 1 hour
34

ssbm_Kyouko
May 31, 04:41pm Jun 07, 04:02pm 0 days 7 hours
30

Anya
May 31, 09:51am Jun 06, 11:20pm 0 days 23 hours
21

Andresvmb
May 31, 02:41pm Jun 06, 04:19pm 1 day 6 hours
21

Dunnstral
May 31, 04:00am Jun 07, 05:15am 0 days 18 hours
9


======================
T3, Anya
and
Kyouko
don't make it in Nero's list. :? why
Nero's list isn't based in reason.
oh noes the scum team is trying to shade me for having a vibe. Also if we are going solely on post count then both Dunn and Andre are still at the very bottom activity-wise. So I don't see how my post is all that off. Furthermore, this game has been open for a week and I feel like Andre has done nothing useful. Also @ the time I wrote that post DOTW only had 29 posts so you are being pretty dishonest. And like he's done nothing but tunnel Peta this whole game so...

t3 is town and if you think anya and ssbm are masons I have no clue why you'd care if I left them out for obvious reasons.
In post 1270, Nero Cain wrote:I honestly don't see why we aren't lynching Titus today other than DW and VFP not wanting to do her today but I think she's pretty obviously scum.
In post 1566, Nero Cain wrote:titus wagon is dead. :cry:

Dunn prob ends up being the days lynch and eh fine

im still investigating andre but im changing my vig target to DGB
In post 1574, Nero Cain wrote:but it's not like I DON'T want DGB dead. I think that theoretically DGB could just be really bad town and there are others that I think could be scum with Titus and I think we get more out of a Titus lynch than a Titus vig. And it's not like I'm 1 shot so...
In post 1588, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1579, Vaxkiller wrote:
In post 1575, Nero Cain wrote:why what?
Why titus?
b/c I feel it in my gut.

its mainly
In post 929, Titus wrote:
In post 928, Nero Cain wrote:Why does a bad push=scum? That's kinda a fallacy guy.

Why is nom town?
Why do you acknowledge this yet try to force me into a conclusion on your play?
like this post is pretty nonsensical.

and then when I asked how I was trying to "force her into a conclusion" and got no response I asked her again later and I got.
In post 1264, Titus wrote:We went over that already.
She's blatantly lying and being dismissive and trying to avoid confrontation.

I could point out some other bad posts but it's mainly this.
In post 1591, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1589, ChaosOmega wrote:is Dunn posting in other games but avoiding this one NAI or suspicious
so is andre


Nero being killed still suggests Titus or Andre here.
I'm currently working but I want to go through these better after work.

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:30 am
by Gamma Emerald
In post 3778, Dwlee99 wrote:Gamma what made you say you don't like my interaction -> me being a high town read?
I still think you’re town, you’re just the lowest townread following that interaction + me accepting a stall pointed towards you

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:39 am
by ssbm_Kyouko
In post 3786, Dwlee99 wrote:Kyo why is Andres out of your PoE?
I faked a guilty on him in mini 2213 because I was heavily scumreading him for playing the same there as he has been here. Like he was very inactive, when he did post he had only a little to say until he was put under pressure, and he made frequent promises he would catch up, but didn't always follow through. It feels the same to me here.

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:43 am
by Dwlee99
In post 3788, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3778, Dwlee99 wrote:Gamma what made you say you don't like my interaction -> me being a high town read?
I still think you’re town, you’re just the lowest townread following that interaction + me accepting a stall pointed towards you
I still don't understand what you mean by the stall.
In post 3789, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 3786, Dwlee99 wrote:Kyo why is Andres out of your PoE?
I faked a guilty on him in mini 2213 because I was heavily scumreading him for playing the same there as he has been here. Like he was very inactive, when he did post he had only a little to say until he was put under pressure, and he made frequent promises he would catch up, but didn't always follow through. It feels the same to me here.
I feel like this is something very easy to fake or to not be alignment indicative.

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:52 am
by ssbm_Kyouko
In post 3780, Dwlee99 wrote:One thought is that nom saying I was scum for voting Rathe is kind of chainsawy, which could indicate partners. I could also just see Osuka/Nom(Vax) aggressively distancing. I noticed Vax and Osuka getting into a little read debate at one point.
As easily as it could be chainsawing if you put that situation in a vacuum and ignore the rest of rathe/nomslot interactions, in the same vacuum it can just be a trap to set up a reason to SR you. Which is what Nero was saying at the time iirc

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:58 am
by ssbm_Kyouko
In post 3790, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 3789, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 3786, Dwlee99 wrote:Kyo why is Andres out of your PoE?
I faked a guilty on him in mini 2213 because I was heavily scumreading him for playing the same there as he has been here. Like he was very inactive, when he did post he had only a little to say until he was put under pressure, and he made frequent promises he would catch up, but didn't always follow through. It feels the same to me here.
I feel like this is something very easy to fake or to not be alignment indicative.


With the way I've described it, sure, it sounds that way. But being in both games in close proximity i can feel it better than I can put it to words. Gamma and Dragons were town there when I faked the guilty, Rathe was scum, and T3 was scum, but already dead when that happened. Maybe Gamma/Dragons can comment on Andres better.

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:59 am
by ssbm_Kyouko
Now that I think about it maybe VFP was in the game as well

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:37 am
by VFP
In post 3793, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Now that I think about it maybe VFP was in the game as well
Yeah, although I was dead at that point.

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:52 am
by T3
I was in that game but I was dead. VOTE: Titu

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:55 am
by Dwlee99
I still don't see why scum!Titus/Andre leaves gamma alive.

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:04 am
by VFP
I need to re look but did Gamma give the impression to check either of them? Even if in the pool.

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:05 am
by Titus
In post 3796, Dwlee99 wrote:I still don't see why scum!Titus/Andre leaves gamma alive.
Gamma should check me and clear me. :/

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:11 am
by ChaosOmega
In post 3529, Dwlee99 wrote:You not dying makes me paranoid the pool is completely wrong.
In post 3530, Gamma Emerald wrote:I feel like that might point to chaosomega maybe
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In post 3765, Gamma Emerald wrote:dotw
VFP
T3 + STD
dwlee
kyouko
titus
chaos
andres

conftown, confident town, probtown via result, unconfident town, null, nullscum, scumread, hard scumread
Feels like you're talking out of both sides of your mouth here. 2 of your top 3 scumreads were in your check pool, but because you didn't die, it makes me look scummy, although they still are scummy, but then if they are scum the pool isn't wrong, and now I'm dizzy.