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In post 3795, Keyser Söze wrote:Why don’t you show any balance or signs of trying to measure out someone’s perspective?

Idk, I just am not able to do that. By giving in, I’m basically saying it’s ok to lie about somebody as town and that isn’t ok imo. Like take skitter, he put words in my mouth cause somehow he has never heard of waiting for a counter claim. He interprets that as me saying something that I didn’t say. That’s suspicious but I’ve eventually just backed off cause in the end it’s not worth arguing about since nobody is suspecting him. But shos was something completely different. I just replaced in, I was trying to examine the current wagon and I asked him a couple of questions, I didn’t single him out as I asked others also. He got defensive and completely lied about his last game with me. That is wrong on 3 levels. 1. He tried to shade me by saying I should know he’s done that as town (but he hadn’t) and 2. It was shutting down communication, which this game relies on heavily and 3, he was denying me information I needed to try and develop reads and make informed decisions.

I’m pretty sure every game I’ve played since my return I’ve called out people for lying. I was basically run off this site because of the lying I’d do as town. I’ve learned my lesson and I’m not going to let anyone else get away with it.

In post 3796, Keyser Söze wrote:TW's and Mom's partner would not say this.

Have you never heard of distancing?

In post 3801, Gustavo wrote:

In post 3796, Keyser Söze wrote:TW's and Mom's partner would not say this.

Have you never heard of distancing?

'anti-association-type distancing'? If so, Skitter's ISO is infested with distancing

In post 3524, Keyser Söze wrote:

In post 3521, Gustavo wrote:VOTE: gustavo

Clearly I’m getting lynched today so let’s stop wasting time.

If you’re town, unvote bro.

In post 3778, Gustavo wrote:VOTE: gus

Hammer time?

Are you scum?
I don't have time for AtE - if you're town and we misslynch you today we lose this game. Unvote and keep trying to solve the game.

In post 3803, Keyser Söze wrote:

In post 3524, Keyser Söze wrote:

In post 3521, Gustavo wrote:VOTE: gustavo

Clearly I’m getting lynched today so let’s stop wasting time.

If you’re town, unvote bro.

In post 3778, Gustavo wrote:VOTE: gus

Hammer time?

Are you scum?
I don't have time for AtE - if you're town and we misslynch you today we lose this game. Unvote and keep trying to solve the game.

Mislynch doesn’t lose the game. I did that whole if you are town unvote and that accomplished nothing.

I’ve solved the game. It’s bv. If I’m wrong it’s errant. If it’s skitter that’s not on me, it’s on all of us.

I got shit on for not doing enough despite already doing a lot. I went and did even more and found multiple instances of bv blatantly misrepping my scum game and finding a more egregious version of the kind of thing he accused me of doing. Nobody budged. Everyone is dead set on me so no matter what I do I lose today and town have to deal with the real scum tomorrow.

Im basically lynched no matter what I do so now I do nothing as I’ve left behind my thoughts and reasons.

Scum is BV

VOTE: bv

Final answer.

And no I’m not scum

In post 3804, Gustavo wrote:I’ve solved the game. It’s bv. If I’m wrong it’s errant. If it’s skitter that’s not on me, it’s on all of us.

That's not "solved the game"

In post 3784, BlackVoid wrote:

sorry, not trying to be frustrating, just trying to explain where i'm at

wrt errant - like the things you're bringing up i just don't think are scummy really. like i think they're more playstyle/mindset-indicative than alignment indicative

i do agree that we're basically going around in circles and i don't think that most of the discussion today has been very edifying tbh
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In post 3784, BlackVoid wrote:1. Setup suggests I'm town (1-shot BP + Odd night doc)
2. TheWorst faking a guilty on me if I were scum is basically gamethrowing at that point.
3. You are correct that if I were scum, I'd have planned it differently.
4. I would not have pushed Nauci and Irrelephant as scum. In fact, I'd consider it very suboptimal since attacking good townies always puts you in the spotlight.
5. My reasons for scumreading Nauci on being informed.
6. My play around Momrangal/TheWorst wagons. I'd not be so indecisive. I'd anticipate that one of them were getting lynched and just push that person.
7. Finally, most importantly, I can't sustain this level of activity and gamesolving over so, so long as scum.

yeah these are all pretty convincing tbh, especially #7. like i don't think you *effort* this for this long as scum tbh.

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In post 3784, BlackVoid wrote:You not wanting to "discount the possibility of me being scum" because scum me would townread you is really kinda ridiculous at this point. I'd townread you no matter what my alignment is. Continuing to bring up something completely null and getting paranoid over it when literally everything points to me being town is something I'm just not understanding. Yeah, I'd call you town even if I'm scum, so what?

yeah i was kinda coming around to this POV earlier, maybe i didn't word it well - i shouldn't really be reading this as ai either way because you'd townread me here as town and you'd townread me here as scum so it isn't really conclusive wrt ur alignment

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i think i'm basically at the point where i want to hammer gustavo but i'm kinda wanting for keyser to finish his thing

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In post 3798, Keyser Söze wrote:WIFOM says: scum-skitter wouldn't dare try to pump scum propaganda into our minds this hard, with the likely chance of an angry town backlash.

Agree/disagree?

i thought that there were a lot of anti-associatives between them through much of day1

In post 3807, Keyser Söze wrote:

In post 3804, Gustavo wrote:I’ve solved the game. It’s bv. If I’m wrong it’s errant. If it’s skitter that’s not on me, it’s on all of us.

That's not "solved the game"

My POV it is

Thomas Jefferson spoke 6 different languages

VoteCount 5.05

Gustavo (2)

~ Irrelephant11, BlackVoid

BlackVoid (1)

~ Gustavo

Not Voting (3)

~ Keyser Soze, Errantparabola, skitter30

With 6 alive, it takes 4 votes to lynch.

Day 5 ends in (expired on 2018-08-04 21:30:00)

In post 3809, Gustavo wrote:

In post 3807, Keyser Söze wrote:

In post 3804, Gustavo wrote:I’ve solved the game. It’s bv. If I’m wrong it’s errant. If it’s skitter that’s not on me, it’s on all of us.

That's not "solved the game"

My POV it is

Would you prefer your lynch over Errant’s?

I honestly feel like I’m the best lynch cause no matter what I say, I’m only town cause I don’t act like scum on the ropes.

@keyser. Assume I’m lynched today. How do you decide between bv and errant?

In post 3813, Gustavo wrote:@keyser. Assume I’m lynched today. How do you decide between bv and errant?

Scrutinise who limped into D5 making your misslynch their priority.
Skitter’s not cleared either though.
There’s arguments for both alignments for the remaining players (but unfortunately for you most of the reasons to keep you alive are playstyle/WIFOM reasons). As pointed out by Irrelephant11 my defence of you is pretty weak.

hey everyone, I'm sick so I'm probably going to sleep the day away but I'll be here ASAP

EP, I hope you feel better soon!

keyser, are you close to finishing your read-through? i'm kinda ready to end the day (and hopefully the game) - i want to vote gustavo and i'm basically waiting for you to be ready to end the day too

sigh

I am no longer interested in voting BV
I am somewhat interested in voting EP
I am still most interested in voting Gustavo

@keyser. Please give really solid thoughts before the day ends. Odds are you aren’t here tomorrow.

@elephant man you should also just in case you arent alive

I can do that, and will when someone gives intent to hammer. I think most of what should be said this game day has been said and I don't want to clutter the thread much more, unless keyser wants to talk in real time about our decision

How about a no lynch?

Yeah will post some final thoughts.

In post 3781, Irrelephant11 wrote:sorry at work and things got busier answers might have to happen later

Very irritated you didn’t do this. I hare people who make accusations and when asked to back it up won’t.

Hate even

oh yeah my b