In post 3799, Gamma Emerald wrote:If you have good reasons to TR luca I'd legit like to hear them because he's in my scumreads rn and has been since D1
You think Luca is scum?
Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:55 am
by Titus
In post 3798, Gamma Emerald wrote:it's not replicable if you don't give a road map tho
I've tried to use similar methods to you and feel like I ended up way off
I guess you can try your methods on the game I tried on and see what results you get, and if they match mine then I somehow lucked into your method?
is that a thing you're willing to try?
Sure.
But you'll need to give me the flips, any modconfirmed townies (i.e. cop clears) known at the time you did the flip. I usually get those things from post 1, but that would spoil the results.
That'll happen tomorrow most likely though barring a sudden miracle as my case got pushed to the back end of my calendar and I have two actual VCAs to do here.
Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:56 am
by Titus
Btw, being willing to learn the VCA sounds like a very town reachout.
Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:57 am
by Titus
So my day looks like
Court case
Docket work
VCAs
Date
More stuff if possible.
Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:04 pm
by Gamma Emerald
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=84286 this is the game thread
I did the VCA during N4, the flips up through then were georgebailey, bingle, and fun & games as town, and lavar + flavor leaf as scum, with one scum left alive. For mech clears there was me, creativemod1, and dkkoba (unique setup mechanics indicated that we were town).
Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:11 pm
by Titus
Thank you.
Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:13 pm
by Andresvmb
I’m not Scum and I really don’t care how much Titus wants to hug their vote count analysis. I’m unfortunately the target of this nonsense so there’s not much I’m going to say that’s going to affect how people behave, but I can answer whatever anyone wants to ask me. I’ve been quite transparent about my views and my analysis and the flip and NK don’t change how I’m looking at the game.
In post 3789, chkflip wrote:It's not that exciting, DGB has a 50% chance of guessing her way out if trouble if there were any. I don't think there is, but, y'know.
It's possible.
I'm being super vague on purpose btw. I hope people understand.
I mean
chkflip who pretty much has a guilty on him from quiet
Doesn't claim????
ME NO LIKE
Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:49 pm
by DrippingGoofball
Go ahead, chkflip. DO IT
I know what you're up to, scum.
Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:52 pm
by chkflip
You wouldn't like it if I claimed to the tee.
You can't lie to me, woman.
Speaking of fabricating role claims, well it seems almost out of character for you not to claim... doesn't it?
Vanilla or not vanilla would suffice in all honesty.
to check the thread and post vote counts if necessary when I'm away because I know large games can go very quickly if there are a few people active at the same time.
, in earlier use "a stranger," in classical use "an enemy"); the root sense, according to Watkins, probably is "someone with whom one has reciprocal duties of hospitality."
Spelling evolution influenced by Old Norse cognate
gestr
(the usual sound changes from the Old English word would have yielded Modern English
*yest
). Meaning "person entertained for pay" (at an inn, etc.) is from late 13c. Old English also had
cuma
"stranger, guest," literally "a comer." Phrase
be my guest
in the sense of "go right ahead" first recorded 1955.
Currently I'm waiting on a confirmation for a replacement for
Not_Mafia
. Other than that the only player still unconfirmed is
"powerful; lord." The etymological notion is of someone "with whom one has reciprocal duties of hospitality" [Watkins]. The biological sense of "animal or plant having a parasite" is from 1857.
quiet
has failed to pick up their Role PM and is being replaced. If they show up before I can find a replacement they can keep the slot.
late 14c., "to enumerate, assign numerals to successively and in order; repeat the numerals in order," also "to reckon among, include," from Old French
conter
"to count, add up," also "tell a story," from Latin
(n.1), perhaps via a band of cloth worn as a mark of identification by a group of soldiers or others (compare Gothic
bandwa
"a sign"). But perhaps from Middle English
band, bond
in the sense "force that unites, bond, tie" (late 14c.). Also compare Old Norse
band
"cord that binds; act of binding," also "confederacy."
The extension to "group of musicians" is c. 1660, originally musicians attached to a regiment of the army and playing instruments which may be used while marching. To
beat the band
(1897) is to make enough noise to drown it out, hence to exceed everything.
One-man band
is by 1931 as "man who plays several musical instruments simultaneously;" figurative extension is by 1938.
@Hayker:
I am unsure if 541 was meant to be a vote so I haven't counted it. Please could you try to use vote and unvote tags
In Dutch and German, it is the general word for "a wheel vehicle;" its use in English is a result of contact through Flemish immigration, Dutch trade, or the Continental wars. It has largely displaced the native cognate,
, originally a large wagon used to carry the band in a circus procession; as these also figured in celebrations of successful political campaigns, being
on the bandwagon
came to represent "attaching oneself to anything that looks likely to succeed," a usage first attested 1899 in writings of Theodore Roosevelt.
word-forming element meaning "back to the original place; again, anew, once more," also with a sense of "undoing," c. 1200, from Old French and directly from Latin
re-
"again, back, anew, against," "Latin combining form conceivably from Indo-European
*wret-
, metathetical variant of
*wert-
"to turn" [Watkins]. Often merely intensive, and in many of the older borrowings from French and Latin the precise sense of
re-
is lost in secondary senses or weakened beyond recognition. OED writes that it is "impossible to attempt a complete record of all the forms resulting from its use," and adds that "The number of these is practically infinite ...." The Latin prefix became
c. 1200, "space, dimensional extent, room, area," from Old French
place
"place, spot" (12c.) and directly from Medieval Latin
placea
"place, spot," from Latin
platea
"courtyard, open space; broad way, avenue," from Greek
plateia (hodos)
"broad (way)," fem. of
platys
"broad," from PIE root
*plat-
"to spread."
Replaced Old English
stow
and
stede
. From mid-13c. as "particular part of space, extent, definite location, spot, site;" from early 14c. as "position or place occupied by custom, etc.; precedence, priority in rank or dignity; social status, position on some social scale;" from late 14c. as "inhabited place, town, country," also "place on the surface of something, portion of something, part." Meaning "a situation, appointment, or employment" is by 1550s. Meaning "group of houses in a town" is from 1580s.
Also from the same Latin source are Italian
piazza
, Catalan
plassa
, Spanish
plaza
, Middle Dutch
plaetse
, Dutch
plaats
, German
Platz
, Danish
plads
, Norwegian
plass
. The word appears via the Bible in Old English (Old Northumbrian
plaece, plaetse
"an open place in a city"), but the modern word is a reborrowing.
Sense of "a mansion with its adjoining grounds" is from mid-14c.; that of "building or part of a building set apart for some purpose is by late 15c. (in
place of worship
). Meaning "a broad way, square, or open space in a city or town," often having some particular use or character (
Park Place, Waverly Place,Rillington Place
) is by 1690s, from a sense in French. Its wide application in English covers meanings that in French require three words:
place, lieu
, and
endroit
. Cognate Italian
piazza
and Spanish
plaza
retain more of the etymological sense.
To
take place
"happen, come to pass, be accomplished" (mid-15c., earlier
have place
, late 14c.), translates French
avoir lieu
. To
know (one's) place
"know how to behave in a manner befitting one's rank, situation, etc." is from c. 1600, from the "social status" sense; hence the figurative expression
put (someone) in his or her place
(1855). In i
n the first place
, etc., it has the sense of "point or degree in order of proceeding" (1630s).
Out of place
"not properly adjusted or placed in relation to other things" is by 1520s.
All over the place
"in disorder" is attested from 1923.
@
Not_Mafia
Was 'Gastric Bypass' intended to be a serious vote on someone or not?
common suffix of Latin origin forming nouns, originally from French and representing Latin
-mentum
, which was added to verb stems to make nouns indicating the result or product of the action of the verb or the means or instrument of the action. In Vulgar Latin and Old French it came to be used as a formative in nouns of action. French inserts an
-e-
between the verbal root and the suffix (as in
commenc-e-ment
from
commenc-er
; with verbs in
ir
,
-i-
is inserted instead (as in
sent-i-ment
from
sentir
).
Used with English verb stems from 16c. (for example
1610s, " to enter or be put in rivalry with," from French
compéter
"be in rivalry with" (14c.), or directly from Late Latin
competere
"strive in common, strive after something in company with or together," in classical Latin "to meet or come together; agree or coincide; to be qualified," from
According to OED, rare 17c., revived from late 18c. in sense "to strive (alongside another) for the attainment of something" and regarded early 19c. in Britain as a Scottish or American word. Market sense is from 1840s (perhaps a back-formation from
competition
); athletics sense attested by 1857. Intransitive use is by 1974. Related:
(c. 1200), directly from Old French or Latin. The word is usually said to be from the notion of individual sheets of paper "fastened" into a book. Ayto and Watkins offer an alternative theory: vines fastened by stakes and formed into a trellis, which led to sense of "columns of writing on a scroll." When books replaced scrolls, the word continued to be used. Related:
Paginal
.
Page-turner
"book that one can't put down" is from 1974; earlier (by 1959) an apparatus or person who turns the pages of an open book, as for a performing musician.
"tuft of hair"); no certain connections outside Germanic except a few Romanic words probably borrowed from Germanic.
Few Indo-European languages have a word so generic, which can be used of the upper part or surface of just about anything. More typical is German, which has
Spitze
for sharp peaks (mountains),
oberfläche
for the upper surface of flat things (such as a table). Meaning "highest position" is from 1620s; meaning "best part" is from 1660s. To go
over the top
is World War I slang for "start an attack," in reference to the top of the trenches; as "beyond reasonable limits, too far" it is recorded from 1968.
The shift in sense is perhaps from a colloquial use of the Old English word or via the sense of "to full cloth" (by treading on it), though this sense does not appear until after the change in meaning. In 13c. it is used of snakes and the passage of time, and in 15c. of wheeled carts. "Rarely is there so specific a word as NE
walk
, clearly distinguished from both
go
and
run
" [Buck]. Meaning "to go away" is recorded from mid-15c. Transitive meaning "to exercise a dog (or horse)" is from late 15c.; meaning "to escort (someone) in a walk" is from 1620s. Meaning "move (a heavy object) by turning and shoving it in a manner suggesting walking" is by 1890. To
I would not that death should take me asleep. I would not have him meerly seise me, and onely declare me to be dead, but win me, and overcome me. When I must shipwrack, I would do it in a sea, where mine impotencie might have some excuse; not in a sullen weedy lake, where I could not have so much as exercise for my swimming. [John Donne, letter to Sir Henry Goodere, Sept. 1608]
Of inanimate things, "cessation, end," late 14c. From late 12c. as "death personified, a skeleton as the figure of mortality." As "a plague, a great mortality," late 14c. (in reference to the first outbreak of bubonic plague; compare
"bed, couch, resting place; garden plot," from Proto-Germanic
*badja-
"sleeping place dug in the ground" (source also of Old Frisian, Old Saxon
bed
, Middle Dutch
bedde
, Old Norse
beðr
, Old High German
betti
, German
Bett
, Gothic
badi
"bed"), sometimes said to be from PIE root
*bhedh-
"to dig, pierce" (source also of Hittite
beda-
"to pierce, prick," Greek
bothyros
"pit," Latin
fossa
"ditch," Lithuanian
bedu, besti
"to dig," Breton
bez
"grave"). But Boutkan doubts this and writes, "there is little reason to assume that the Gmc. peoples (still) lived under such primitive circumstances that they dug out their places to sleep."
Both the sleeping and gardening senses are found in Old English; the specific application to planting is found also in Middle High German and is the only sense of Danish
bed
. Meaning "bottom of a lake, sea, or watercourse" is from 1580s. Geological sense of "a thick layer, stratum" is from 1680s.
Bed and board
"in bed and at the table" (early 13c.) was a term in old law applied to conjugal duties of man and wife; it also could mean "meals and lodging, room and board" (mid-15c.).
Bed-and-breakfast
in reference to overnight accommodations is from 1838; as a noun, in reference to a place offering such, by 1967.
meant "stone, crag" (it's common in English place names), and suggests an original sense of the Germanic words as "tool with a stone head," which would describe the first hammers. The Germanic words thus could be from a PIE
*ka-mer-
, with reversal of initial sounds, from PIE
*akmen
"stone, sharp stone used as a tool" (source also of Old Church Slavonic
As a part of a firearm, 1580s; as a part of a piano, 1774; as a small bone of the ear, 1610s. Figurative use of "aggressive and destructive foe" is late 14c., from similar use of French
martel
, Latin
malleus
. To go at it
hammer and tongs
"with great violence and vigor" (1708) is an image from blacksmithing (the tongs hold the metal and the hammer beats it).
Hammer and sickle
as an emblem of Soviet communism attested from 1921, symbolizing industrial and agricultural labor.
Abstract sense of "time as an indefinite continuous duration" is recorded from late 14c. Personified at least since 1509 as an aged bald man (but with a forelock) carrying a scythe and an hour-glass. In English, a single word encompasses time as "extent" and "point" (French
temps/fois
, German
zeit/mal
) as well as "hour" (as in "what time is it?" compare French
heure
, German
Uhr
). Extended senses such as "occasion," "the right time," "leisure," or
times (v.)
"multiplied by" developed in Old and Middle English, probably as a natural outgrowth of such phrases as "He commends her a hundred times to God" (Old French
La comande a Deu cent foiz
).
to have a good time
( = a time of enjoyment) was common in Eng. from c 1520 to c 1688; it was app. retained in America, whence readopted in Britain in 19th c. [OED]
Time of day
(now mainly preserved in negation, i.e. what someone won't give you if he doesn't like you) was a popular 17c. salutation (as in "Good time of day vnto your Royall Grace," "Richard III," I.iii.18), hence
to give (one) the time of day
"greet socially" (1590s); earlier was
give good day
(mid-14c.).
The times "
the current age" is from 1590s.
Behind the times
"old-fashioned" is recorded from 1831.
Times
as the name of a newspaper dates from 1788.
Time warp
first attested 1954;
time-traveling
in the science fiction sense first recorded 1895 in H.G. Wells' "The Time Machine."
Time capsule
first recorded 1938, in reference to the one "deemed capable of resisting the effects of time for five thousand years preserving an account of universal achievements embedded in the grounds of the New York World's fair."
Jones [archaeologist of A.D. 5139] potters about for a while in the region which we have come to regard as New York, finds countless ruins, but little of interest to the historian except a calcified direction sheet to something called a "Time Capsule." Jones finds the capsule but cannot open it, and decides, after considerable prying at the lid, that it is merely evidence of an archaic tribal ceremony called a "publicity gag" of which he has already found many examples. [Princeton Alumni Weekly, April 14, 1939]
To do time
"serve a prison sentence" is from 1865.
Time frame
is attested by 1964;
time-limit
is from 1880.
About time
, ironically for "long past due time," is recorded from 1920. To
"to rise, rise from sleep, get out of bed; stand up, rise to one's feet; get up from table; rise together; be fit, be proper" (usually
arisan
; a class I strong verb; past tense
ras
, past participle
risen
), from Proto-Germanic
*us-rīsanan
"to go up" (source also of Old Norse
risa
, Old Saxon
risan
, Gothic
urreisan
"to rise," Old High German
risan
"to rise, flow," German
reisen
"to travel," originally "to rise for a journey").
It is attested from c. 1200 in the senses of "move from a lower to a higher position, move upward; increase in number or amount; rise in fortune, prosper; become prominent;" also "rise from the dead." The meaning "come into existence, originate; result (from)" is by mid-13c. From early 14c. as "rebel, revolt;" also "occur, happen, come to pass; take place." Related to
The intransitive sense from c. 1200, "be seated." The word was used in many disparate senses by Middle English; sense of "make or cause to do, act, or be; start" and that of "mount a gemstone" attested by mid-13c. Confused with
sit
since early 14c. Of the sun, moon, etc., "to go down," recorded from c. 1300, perhaps from similar use of the cognates in Scandinavian languages. To
set (something) on
"incite to attack" (c. 1300) originally was in reference to hounds and game.
Meaning "inhabited place larger than a village" (mid-12c.) arose after the Norman conquest from the use of this word to correspond to French
ville
. The modern word is partially a generic term, applicable to cities of great size as well as places intermediate between a city and a village; such use is unusual, the only parallel is perhaps Latin
oppidium
, which occasionally was applied even to Rome or Athens (each of which was more properly an
urbs
).
First record of
town hall
is from late 15c.
Town ball
, version of baseball, is recorded from 1852.
Town car
(1907) originally was a motor car with an enclosed passenger compartment and open driver's seat.
On the town
"living the high life" is from 1712.
Go to town
"do (something) energetically" is first recorded 1933.
Man about town
"one constantly seen at public and private functions" is attested from 1734.
PlusJoyed
has (expired on 2021-01-21 01:50:00) to post before receiving a prod.
I haven't done VCA. I have been swamped with work and overgamed. I know I look bad. Just please give me a few days to properly do it. If you want to help, coloring the VCs would be great.
answers for all sizes, according to OED; but in England generally that word is used only for those too large to be worked by one hand. Sense in wrestling is from 1904.
Oh scissors!
was a 19c. exclamation of impatience or disgust (1843). In reference to a type of swimming kick, from 1902 (the image itself is from 1880s).
"drink made from the ground and roasted seeds of a tree originally native to Arabia and Abyssinia," c. 1600, from Dutch
koffie
, from Turkish
kahveh
, from Arabic
qahwah
"coffee," which Arab etymologists connected with a word meaning "wine," but it is perhaps rather from the
Kaffa
region of Ethiopia, a home of the plant (coffee in Kaffa is called
būno
, which itself was borrowed into Arabic as
bunn
"raw coffee").
The early forms of the word in English indicate a derivation from Arabic or Turkish:
chaoua
(1598),
cahve
,
kahui
, etc. French
café
, German
Kaffe
are via Italian
caffè
.
The first coffee-house in Mecca dates to the 1510s; the beverage was in Turkey by the 1530s. It appeared in Europe c. 1515-1519 and was introduced to England by 1650. By 1675 the country had more than 3,000 coffee houses and coffee had replaced beer as a breakfast drink, but its use there declined 18c. with the introduction of cheaper tea. In the American colonies, however, the tax on tea kept coffee popular.
Meaning "a light meal at which coffee is served" is from 1774. As a shade or color resembling coffee, 1815.
Coffee-bean
is from 1680s.
Coffee-mill
is from 1690s;
coffee-spoon
is from 1703;
coffee-pot
is from 1705;
coffee-cup
is from 1762.
Coffee-shop
is from 1838.
Coffee-cake
is from 1850 as "cake in which coffee is an ingredient."
Coffee break
attested from 1952, at first often in glossy magazine advertisements by the Pan-American Coffee Bureau.
Did you drink a cup of coffee on company time this morning? Chances are that you did—for the midmorning coffee break is rapidly becoming a standard fixture in American offices and factories. [The Kiplinger Magazine, March 1952]
). So called because the alkaloid was found in coffee beans; its presence accounts for the stimulating effect of coffee and tea. The form of the English word may be via French
The distribution of the different forms of the word in Europe reflects the spread of use of the beverage. The modern English form, along with French
thé
, Spanish
te
, German
Tee
, etc., derive via Dutch
thee
from the Amoy form, reflecting the role of the Dutch as the chief importers of the leaves (through the Dutch East India Company, from 1610). Meanwhile, Russian
chai
, Persian
cha
, Greek
tsai
, Arabic
shay
, and Turkish
çay
all came overland from the Mandarin form.
First known in Paris 1635, the practice of drinking tea was first introduced to England 1644. Meaning "afternoon meal at which tea is served" is from 1738. Slang meaning "marijuana" (which sometimes was brewed in hot water) is attested from 1935, felt as obsolete by late 1960s.
"water." In the first form, the first element might be related to
xocalia
"to make something bitter or sour" [Karttunen]. Made with cold water by the Aztecs, with hot water by the Conquistadors, and the European forms of the word might have been influenced by Mayan
chocol
"hot." Brought to Spain by 1520, from there it spread to the rest of Europe. Originally a drink made by dissolving chocolate in milk or water, it was very popular 17c.
To a Coffee-house, to drink jocolatte, very good [Pepys, diary, Nov. 24, 1664].
As a paste or cake made of ground, roasted, sweetened cacao seeds, 1640s. As "a piece of chocolate candy," 1880s. As a dark reddish-brown color from 1776. The adjective is from 1723 as "made of or flavored with chocolate;" 1771 as "having the color of chocolate."
in this word is unclear, but it appears to refer to "half" light, rather than the fact that twilight occurs twice a day. Compare also Sanskrit
samdhya
"twilight," literally "a holding together, junction," Middle High German
zwischerliecht
, literally "tweenlight." Originally and most commonly in English with reference to evening twilight but occasionally used of morning twilight (a sense first attested mid-15c.). Figurative extension recorded from c. 1600.
Twilight zone
is from 1901 in a literal sense, a part of the sky lit by twilight; from 1909 in extended senses in references to topics or cases where authority or behavior is unclear. In the 1909 novel "In the Twilight Zone," the reference is to mulatto heritage. "She was in the twilight zone between the races where each might claim her ...." The U.S. TV series of that name is from 1959.
Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:59 pm
by chkflip
How very vanilla of you, Titus.
Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:16 pm
by Titus
VCA methodology
1) Admit assumptions
a) All flips are accurate.
b) Titus is town.
c) Any mechanical clears would be outed at this point. (So if there's a hidden cop clear, it's not factored in.)
2) Grab the VCAs and color them.
a) All current known flips must be colored accurately. (No rationale such as X's reads really sucked so they were practically scum, so I'm coloring them in red.)
b) Optional but I almost never do it (exception mbos 10 but that's because I had inside mod information that made me have additional mod clears): Color in uncced PRs.
3) Establish assumptions. Scum behave with a goal in mind. Assumptions are what that goal should be.
a) Scum usually try to save their teammates.
a1) If they don't then the opposition wagon is a stronger PR
a2) If they don't and the opposition is not a stronger PR, it's a bus for towncred
b) Scum rarely lead wagons on their own
c) A fake guilty by scum is done to remove a voice they could not otherwise eliminate particularly if the slot is doomed anyway.
c1) A fake guilty means that a slot saved has some value to scum. (This means my day 1 reads should be treated like utter trash and Norfolk's should be treated with greater respect.
[Note: Day 1 notes need to be redone at this point.]
d) Wagons based off guilty claims have no VCA value as there is no threat to wagon anywhere else.
e) Repeating wagons have repeating results.
e1) This means the same names on a wagon that flipped town meet again, that wagon will likely flip town (or match what the scum want.)
e2) This means the same names on a wagon that flipped scum meet again, that wagon will be more likely to flip scum (or a townbeard that's useful to scum).
f) Be careful of the townbeard. The townbeard is someone who consistently acts proscum, even when scum wouldn't.
Example: There are 5 scumflips. A slot defended every single one. There's a decent chance that slot is the townbeard rather than scum.
Basically, the useful idiot.
Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:19 pm
by Titus
Those are my basic assumptions, including some that are relevant to this game. I have to make assumptions to ascertain what scum's objective is at a given point at any point in the game. Without having enough data to make those assumptions, then VCA is nothing more than wagonomics. This is why I say VCA requires Day 3 with a scumflip. It's the amount of flips needed, at a bare minimum, to give VCA any predictive value. Sure, VCA can be done before that (and I have begrudingly), it just lacks any value. Sometimes, all that can be gathered is that X, Y and Z are the flips that need to happen.
Speaking of fabricating role claims, well it seems almost out of character for you not to claim... doesn't it?
Vanilla or not vanilla would suffice in all honesty.
Oh I would love it
You're the one with a scum result and you're the one claim stalling
SPIT IT OUT
I am already voting you so
confirm vote: chkflip
Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:32 pm
by Titus
UNVOTE: chkflip
I don't like my vote anymore after 1.7
Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:37 pm
by chkflip
That's... crazy detailed. Exactly why I use it (and I trust you to regardless of alignment give me a jumping point). But technically that post is IIoA. Heh.
Pedit: you're being very persnickety for someone who was counter offered.
I know whether Titus, Mom, quiet, and you are vanilla or not. In that order. My reads have followed that train if you'd like to go back and check. No crumbs, but before I knew there was whatever the fuck a Doctor Tracker is flip TOWN I'm very much in the camp that the Role Cop is scum.
I did say Mom was vanilla before she claimed it, though.
I said that at some point yesterday.
Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:38 pm
by Titus
The first VC that could possibly be out of RVS is 1.3
Here, we see there's two wagons. One on conftown. The other voted by two conftown. If Andres is town, I would put high odds on Vaxkiller being scum and vice versa. However, if the backend of the wagon on MathBlade's slot is totally town, then Andres and Vax could be TvT as scum would not be creating a counterwagon to save scum Andres but rather not caring at all which got wagoned.
I quoted the entirety of 1.4 to show that Not_Mafia moved onto Mathblade's slot after the disintegration of the Andres wagon, which is a null point in my belief that Andres is scum. Scum didn't really need to pile on Mathblade's slot since Ranny moved on his own and with Andres.
I highly doubt Vaxkiller and Gamma are scum here. It's far too early for where scum usually would be bussing Not_Mafia.
chkflip likely isn't scum because I don't see why two scum would pile on Bypasser Catcher with other options available. It is possible chkflip could be chainsawing the Bypass Catcher vote but it doesn't seem like a move scum need to make yet.
I don't really see Luca as scum here as scum would need something to jump onto to make Plus a counterwagon. I would have suspected quiet here if Plus was town, but quiet flipped town too. That begs the question... just what were scum doing at the time Not_Mafia's wagon got started?
My mind based off this VC goes to NorweiganboyEE, DGB, Andres, Molla, and Hayker as suspects.
Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:38 pm
by DrippingGoofball
So chkflip is claiming vanilla cop, got it.
Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:40 pm
by Titus
In post 3818, chkflip wrote:That's... crazy detailed. Exactly why I use it (and I trust you to regardless of alignment give me a jumping point). But technically that post is IIoA. Heh.
Pedit: you're being very persnickety for someone who was counter offered.
I know whether Titus, Mom, quiet, and you are vanilla or not. In that order. My reads have followed that train if you'd like to go back and check. No crumbs, but before I knew there was whatever the fuck a Doctor Tracker is flip TOWN I'm very much in the camp that the Role Cop is scum.
I did say Mom was vanilla before she claimed it, though.
I said that at some point yesterday.
Vanilla Cop or neopolitan?
Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:41 pm
by chkflip
That is correct. There's a modifier but if you don't mind I'd rather I kept it to myself, tyvm.
Can you not see the reason I might be non-specific?
Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:46 pm
by DrippingGoofball
I thought scum!flip was going to claim my role, since it's already been outed, and I was hoping he'd get caught with the wrong night choices.
I'm the lazy roleblocker.
N1 GE
N2 Norwegian
N3 quiet
N4 Momrangal
Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:46 pm
by DrippingGoofball
In post 3822, chkflip wrote:That is correct. There's a modifier but if you don't mind I'd rather I kept it to myself, tyvm.
Can you not see the reason I might be non-specific?
