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Afternoon Vote Count 3.05

Afternoon 2 will end in (expired on 2021-03-24 18:37:50)

With 12 players alive, it takes 7 votes to Bronze

Titus (1): SirCakez
borkjerfkin (1): Spiffeh
SirCakez (4): PookyTheMagicalBear, MathBlade, Battle Mage, Bell
notscience (2): borkjerfkin, Dunnstral
Dunnstral (1): Prism

Not voting (3): Tammy, Titus, notscience

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This will be a pagetop when I remove my earlier one, rules are for other backup mods!

is there any greater villainy than a mod abusing his privs to steal page tops from the poor souls below?

I'm sheeping you once Pooky try to make it memorable by being right. LMK if you change your mind.
I don't disagree strongly with the takes of other players in regards to cakez. Mostly, I'm just confused at all the bussing.

if im wrong ill sheep you for the rest of the game ok?

We could just try really hard to discuss it and hope we do a better job, lol.

So just to be clear Bork you’re voting me because I’d be doing more if I’d read the game to catch up?

Because I really haven’t read that much. I read page one and posts since my replace in.

But anyways, excuses. I’m going to try to read at least day one tomorrow (something something proven track record of not being super available sundays something)

I kinda like Dunn’s read shift on me even if I don’t agree with borks reasoning for the read.

In post 3789, MathBlade wrote:a not science wagon is literally push a lurker to avoid the PoE again.

I’ve been here for 24 hours and asleep or working for 22 of them

bork, sorry but I actually need to know if you targeted anyone with the same thing (power, artifact, whatever) you did sangres N1.

In post 3807, Prism wrote:bork, sorry but I actually need to know if you targeted anyone with the same thing (power, artifact, whatever) you did sangres N1.

artifact; i used the Farnsworth (sends messages); i started w/ this and crumbed it in my first post.

(so no, it was gone after N1)

In post 3806, notscience wrote:So just to be clear Bork you’re voting me because I’d be doing more if I’d read the game to catch up?

Because I really haven’t read that much. I read page one and posts since my replace in.

But anyways, excuses. I’m going to try to read at least day one tomorrow (something something proven track record of not being super available sundays something)

I kinda like Dunn’s read shift on me even if I don’t agree with borks reasoning for the read.

In post 3789, MathBlade wrote:a not science wagon is literally push a lurker to avoid the PoE again.

I’ve been here for 24 hours and asleep or working for 22 of them

I am literally saying that your wagon is bad and you’re ?

Spiffeh, how do you currently feel about bork?

I can point to 1 concrete issue Day 1 around the mastina wagon, while I mostly like it for tonal reasons. Fundamentally I like this slot atm, I liked the reaction to sangres/Tammy, and that claim in my mind him solidifies him being almost certainly town.

Recent posting imo has been stellar even if fakeable. Might collate stuff when I'm finished with D2/D3 but for now I'm just scrolling through and still liking him mostly for tone. There's a world where bork is scum trying to save mastina before deciding not to but it's tough to see that world without a Titus flip on the table and I don't think that'd be damning even if she were town.

Also still curious as to why you weren't hardshoving Dunnstral now that bork has gotten more attention/has reacted well (imo) given the strength of your read Day 1. This is literally the only issue I have with your slot atm.

I know your vote is still there, but you've been pushing for more from bork today, and, well, he's delivering. He can 100% rise to the challenge as scum, but do you think that's what's happening atm?

Okay, I finished with bork.

This is going to be really frustrating, but I don't think bork is scum and fundamentally trust the slot, and yeah it's for mostly tonal reasons. He's got progressions that make sense (Mainly on Titus, see reads wall getting followed up by 2731 and the recent doubting of her, his Cakez vote actually makes a lot of sense as you can see the cogs turning on him not thinking Titus defends Cakez as scum) but this isn't where the bulk of my read comes from.

Things I'm still not thrilled with on this slot: That post about the mastina votes weirding him out w/o pushing me/sangres further. Not revisiting Cakez without prompting. Completely phoning it in on reading me for the most part.

But there have been multiple times where bork has been the opposite of opportunistic, I'm going to spoiler some examples of some posts that pinged me as very town. He's not a brick, he can fake stuff as scum, but if I have to take a guess he's not.These are some samples but I wanted to give you an idea of why I feel he's not really worried about his positioning this game, and what exactly makes him feel natural to me. There's more from Day 1 that gave me townpings but I was really hoping originally for something more concrete, but this is really hard given the Day 1 play around mastina is null at best and scumlean at worst imo.

I think if I had to pinpoint a reason for bork to be scum, it'd be that he's not coming down harder on me for not defending him given that I townread him. There's this idea of don't bite the hand that feeds and don't let the frustration show if that's what scumBork is hoping would happen.

The treatment of my slot does have me conflicted. The comment about "Prism could probably circles around me if they wanted" says he read Iceland and knows that I can be a UTR basically whenever I decide I want to be. Simultaneously, he's got good reason to believe me between the Trident/flavor and the mastina flip. He's not trying to take advantage of the Iceland meta to discredit me at all, and would really be putting all the eggs in that protection basket that reaped basically no payout for weeks on end.

i've played with bork twice now.

once in tenet and once in 2181

this is much closer to the 2181 version of bork,

he feels like a wallflower; incredibly passive, just gliding with the flow - letting the game state push his vote around as if he does not really care much about the flip.

in Tenet Bork was very opinionated and made strong sharp pushes that were good and had purpose and force of belief behind them. I just don't see that here.

In post 3652, MathBlade wrote:

In post 3650, SirCakez wrote:Math why are you obsessed with wagonomics

Because of probability/odds.

When I stray from that and use gut my reads go bad.

At least one scum in you/Titus/Dunn is well worth the focus then see who doesn’t want to elim there.

There’s no guarantee someone bussed Mastina and if there are bussers no more than 2 is likely. So best 2/8 odds (1/4) so best to look off wagon. In other words if I grant scenarios most favorable to your look off wagon argument we’d have an equal shot and I don’t see two+ bussers on Mastina.

So at this point it’s between you and Titus and Dunn.

I personally hate using math (no pun intended) to "solve" mafia but whatever you do you

In post 3653, Bell wrote:I don't care what other people think. If I think you're town for your self-meta, I'll defend you.

ok I can write some up later this week
i'm buried in shit today so not happening anytime soon

In post 3655, Prism wrote:Like, here's a fun exercise for the table. Answering publicly is absolutely encouraged.

Who is a player you have changed your mind on, or at least had your view of challenged in a way that made you

actually doubt the read

\, in the last calendar week, and why?

Pooky probably. From people's responses to my case.

In post 3661, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:dude

imagine you are holding a town power role.

imagine you are 1 vote away from being elimmed

on

day

one.

Would you really be so weak and feeble?

Like cmon

Here's some self meta I can bring up!
In The Weakest Link at a very similar situation end of day 1 I literally told other people to let the other player live and kill me instead because I wasn't confident in the read.

In post 3671, Prism wrote:ie. If Spiffeh is scum, I fucking tried. Anyone who disagrees with me, your turn to work through his ISO and wall it out.

I think I am about here with him. He keeps irking me but there's just not enough for me to want to go "ok let's prioritize getting rid of him"

In post 3682, borkjerfkin wrote:

In post 3656, Battle Mage wrote:Meta-wise, it feels more like scum mathblade, but I dunno. feels like he's been the voice of reason more often lately.

This is what screamed to me as town. I think Mathblade is town, and I think if BM were scum there are enough people in the game that want Math gone still that you can make basically any other stance than this and be better off.
Instead this seems like conscientious objection to a read he's had all game with the salient fact that Math is here, being a leader, pretty much all the time, and the overpowering likely reason for that is that he's town

That Battle Mage post sucked and I question your motives here.

In post 3689, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:see even bork knows it

like do you understand

how bad someone has to play

to get nearly modkilled

by like the nicest mod on the site?

you'd have to be really bad

and the only way any1 can be that misguided

is if they are town

because aint nobody with a red role pm can believe that much

in something so stupid

that they nearly get themselves modkilled

like that's just too wild for me lol

I guarantee Math would do this as scum.

In post 3694, penguin_alien wrote:

notscience replaces GreyICE. Vote count shortly.

Hi Notsci!

I'm kinda thinking I want to go back to Dunn here; his absence feels extremely incriminating.

In post 3710, Prism wrote:I also liked 3404 looking at it btw

And really wish Cakez would have better followup; asking questions is inherently scattershot but the depth in his reads is often very lacking.

I know I know I get accused of this constantly
I just can't get engaged in this game with how busy I am with school. The Pooky case was like peak effort from me and I won't be returning to that level any time soon.
That's why I generally rely moreso on gut and tone.

In post 3731, notscience wrote:Purely based off your description of Cakez that reminds me of xeno when he laser Ed in on Cabds case

I might be filling in some blanks but meh

This is not AT ALL what happened

In post 3732, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:2) I pretty much stopped pushing cake when we had like 3 pages or so of posts left, for the last 2-3 hours before deadline I did not post anything pushing cake, i even popped in and said i'd be willing to move my vote if we needed a compromise or whatever. that's completely different to my scum push on FL when I pushed him until he died because I rarely if ever use restraint when I'm scum.

This is such a lie as soon as I claimed you came back in and started spreading shit again

In post 3763, Prism wrote:

In post 3761, Dunnstral wrote:There are people here who have spent that past week saying they should read into me more and just haven't and continue to call me scum

Name names. Push these players. My being one of them after I got partway through Spiffeh is no surprise.

I am sick of you doing nothing the entire game then crying when you get scumread. If your entire ability to win games as scum requires you to 0 effort and give only the most baselevel reasoning as town, something is wrong with your playstyle.

VOTE: Dunnstral

Yeah I'll sheep this (is it a sheep if you independently scumread them? whatever)

VOTE: Prism

In post 3770, Spiffeh wrote:I am mostly caught up

Not much to say other than not thrilled with notty's entrance

I was hoping for a little more from your big catchup.

In post 3789, MathBlade wrote:Not science could be scum, don’t get me wrong some of Grey ICE’s posts are bad and I would hammer to prevent a no elim but a not science wagon is literally push a lurker to avoid the PoE again.

It wouldn't be a lurker/vibes wagon though because as some have noted notsci's entrance was pretty bad.

In post 3815, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:i've played with bork twice now.

once in tenet and once in 2181

this is much closer to the 2181 version of bork,

he feels like a wallflower; incredibly passive, just gliding with the flow - letting the game state push his vote around as if he does not really care much about the flip.

in Tenet Bork was very opinionated and made strong sharp pushes that were good and had purpose and force of belief behind them. I just don't see that here.

I agree with this

In post 3818, SirCakez wrote:

In post 3770, Spiffeh wrote:I am mostly caught up

Not much to say other than not thrilled with notty's entrance

I was hoping for a little more from your big catchup.

In post 3789, MathBlade wrote:Not science could be scum, don’t get me wrong some of Grey ICE’s posts are bad and I would hammer to prevent a no elim but a not science wagon is literally push a lurker to avoid the PoE again.

It wouldn't be a lurker/vibes wagon though because as some have noted notsci's entrance was pretty bad.

In post 3815, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:i've played with bork twice now.

once in tenet and once in 2181

this is much closer to the 2181 version of bork,

he feels like a wallflower; incredibly passive, just gliding with the flow - letting the game state push his vote around as if he does not really care much about the flip.

in Tenet Bork was very opinionated and made strong sharp pushes that were good and had purpose and force of belief behind them. I just don't see that here.

I agree with this

Cakez + Bork is looking really good.
Votes Prism despite not sci being the other wagon
I like not sci as buddy if and only if Cakez + Bork.

there is no notsci wagon lmao

oh I just realized I voted Prism in that post oops
I meant to vote Dunn
I was talking about sheeping Prism's vote

VOTE: dunnstral

In post 3800, Cabd wrote:Afternoon Vote Count 3.05

Afternoon 2 will end in (expired on 2021-03-24 18:37:50)

With 12 players alive, it takes 7 votes to Bronze

Titus (1): SirCakez
borkjerfkin (1): Spiffeh
SirCakez (4): PookyTheMagicalBear, MathBlade, Battle Mage, Bell
notscience (2): borkjerfkin, Dunnstral
Dunnstral (1): Prism

Not voting (3): Tammy, Titus, notscience

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This will be a pagetop when I remove my earlier one, rules are for other backup mods!

Imagine a why the hell you lying gif here.

Gotta work now.

Two votes isn't a wagon
This is a dumb argument

VOTE: notscience

Start of wagon on a suspect. Thank you. I'll have to take a backseat on comments until tonight due to court. I'm also dealing with extensive court and real life drama. So please bear with my demotivated ass. I'm still going to try.