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Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:11 pm
by Ircher
This was also townie. It may seem like an easy statement to fake, but the phrasing and underlying tone is key. It's not a defeatist attitude, but at the same time, it acknowledges the game state and what may be better overall.
Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:12 pm
by Cheeky Wings
In post 3789, Good Luck Buddy wrote:if u want to argue about something we can argue about how the fuck does ur hydra partner think we are town. Fucking clearly wrong.
Are you saying I'm wrong to doubt my hydra partner's read on your slot?
~C
Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:12 pm
by GrandpaMo
ok time for rp to set the scene
gpamo, the surgeon puts firebringer on the operating table.
nurses ircher and jjh assist mo
i ask for a 2inch blade
ircher gives me the 3 inch suggesting its better (secretly they want to kill firebringer)
jjh suggest the 1 inch (because they think the 2 inch will kill them)
they start fighting... next thing u realize the patient dies...
Firebringer flips
1- shot town aligned compulsive triggered publishing role-cop
Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:13 pm
by jjh927
In post 3792, Ircher wrote: In post 3788, jjh927 wrote:I mean, I asked you about why you felt that Victorine appeared to be excited to play the game and I thought your answer wasn't very convincing
You asked this before Victorine started seriously engaging with the thread. Your outlook would probably be different now even if you come to the same conclusion.
You're right that it's quite different now but I still think your approach to Yume started on weak grounds that have rather tainted any ability you have to influence me on my Yume read barring definitive logical points
Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:14 pm
by Good Luck Buddy
In post 3801, Cheeky Wings wrote: In post 3789, Good Luck Buddy wrote:if u want to argue about something we can argue about how the fuck does ur hydra partner think we are town. Fucking clearly wrong.
Are you saying I'm wrong to doubt my hydra partner's read on your slot?
~C
i was making a joke to lighten the mood. u seemed upset with my last post.
Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:14 pm
by GrandpaMo
In post 3795, jjh927 wrote:Back to the GMo-Vic attempt at solidifying Victorine's faked post restriction into something less obviously faked, I should probably go quote the post that really set me off
In post 3433, GrandpaMo wrote:
JJ...
Vic is giving you a hint.
Vic is a player that knows you.
Think.
It is also a layer that knows Firebringer.
HOW do you make this link? How does anyone see 3429 and make the conclusion that Yume was giving me a hint with that post?
BECYAS ETHEY LITERALLY SAY "I havent forgotten your me catching skills" that IMPLIES THAT THEY WERE HINTING AT A PLAYER THAT KNOWS U DUH!
Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:14 pm
by GrandpaMo
ew i sound cirnge. pls disregard my last post sorry.
Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:15 pm
by Ircher
Also, I'm going to point out that while I think Victorine has in fact by this point met this requirement (if quotes and spoilered stuff count), it doesn't appear to me that she has actually been actively trying to stay true to this. What I mean is that given her night ability depends on her meeting her post restriction, I would feel scum!her would be more incentivized to actually fulfill the requirement.
Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:16 pm
by GrandpaMo
omg is ircher's defense of vic actually real
Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:16 pm
by Ircher
What made you think it was false?
Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:16 pm
by Deimos27
In post 3796, Deimos27 wrote: In post 3761, jjh927 wrote:I mean, I got there because GMo seemed to be interpreting things in a really leapy way
I'll clarify.
I do suppose the interaction was very slightly +equity for Mo being informed about Victorine's flavour, but I didn't buy your firm confidence in that associative, nor the reasoning behind it that Mo's intent would have been some intricate plan to get everyone to believe the post restriction.
Because (a) no one was ever gonna believe the post restriction anyway; that ship sailed 100 pages ago
And (b) what is the scum motivation exactly? If people magically did believe the post restriction how would that actually have justified Victorine's previous failure to try to work around the post restriction and try to any degree to participate in the game? What reason did scum have to think establishing the truth of a Victorine post restriction would result in Victorine tr's?
Let me know if I'm entirely misunderstanding your case
If you'd
only
said the "Mo seems to be interpreting things in a really leapy way, I don't get how they arrived at their inference of the flavour claim, it looks informed" bit, then I would've been like "yeah, ig I can kinda see the slight +equity for those two having a PT" (slight because it is also mitigated by Mo's decision shortly thereafter to bus Vic, what's the point)
Your reasoning was what was bizarre to me
But it's ok I came around you might be town for it regardless
Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:17 pm
by Good Luck Buddy
i wish to communicate something the mod has related to me and pooky:
this is mod confirmed and paraphrased so no mod kill
one of the low posting posters, is in fact low posting.
Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:18 pm
by Deimos27
In post 3524, GrandpaMo wrote: In post 3483, GrandpaMo wrote:lol i could care less about vic.
lmfao
all that shit and that energy is fake to me. i just wanted to have fun while exectuing it
can we now vote or what
VOTE: victorine
In post 3484, GrandpaMo wrote: In post 3482, Loftwing wrote:I doubt Visterene's PR is preventing them from playing the game.
But then again RC did include something more bastard than a super Janitor here, so Idk what to believe.
i wouldnt be suprised if loft is scum
yes @diemos
Wait no I misunderstood this timeline Mo's vote on Vic was a million years ago
What was quoting these supposed to establish
Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:18 pm
by Deimos27
In post 3481, jjh927 wrote: In post 3479, Gamma Emerald wrote: In post 3460, jjh927 wrote:Honestly I thought SS was just really committed to replacing Queen and didn't think for a second it was actually a post restriction
What did you think of
GrandpaMo’s
post just before this one?
I think this is an exercise in theatre by scum!GrandpaMo to make scum!Victorine's post restriction more believable
Oh no nvm this comes before that so yeah the timeline is correct
Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:18 pm
by Sakura Hana
In post 3793, Good Luck Buddy wrote: In post 3784, GrandpaMo wrote:doesnt mafia have way more liability to bus vic now?
fwiw -- its way better just to take the equity of bussing vic rn since vic is in a shitty spot and there is atleast one person in the mafia scum pt that has approached the idea of bussing/...
lets not concern ourselves with bussing/whiteknighting or anything else until i get a GOD DAMN FLIP
There's 2 flips right there, we're clearly on day 2 after limming toog and scum NK'd koba.
Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:19 pm
by jjh927
In post 3800, Ircher wrote:
This was also townie. It may seem like an easy statement to fake, but the phrasing and underlying tone is key. It's not a defeatist attitude, but at the same time, it acknowledges the game state and what may be better overall.
Subject: A Story Revisited (Anything uPick): Day 6
NicoRobin wrote: In post 3352, jjh927 wrote:Yo NicoRobin, is Mastina faking the trigger condition for her gladiate ability
No, she was just lying about being loyal.
Then again, why even ask? You will scumread me no matter what, because that's the only way you can save mastina, and you will ignore any and all posts which don't fit into your narrative.
Get ready to burn when I flip town.
kthxbai
Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:19 pm
by Deimos27
In post 3811, Good Luck Buddy wrote:i wish to communicate something the mod has related to me and pooky:
this is mod confirmed and paraphrased so no mod kill
one of the low posting posters, is in fact low posting.
Galaxy brain stuff
Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:20 pm
by Good Luck Buddy
In post 3814, Sakura Hana wrote:There's 2 flips right there, we're clearly on day 2 after limming toog and scum NK'd koba.
I WANT A FLIP FROM VOTING SAKURA!!!!!!!!
U KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I MEANT!?!?!?!?!?!
Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:20 pm
by jjh927
And here is a meta-based counterargument of my own
In post 2478, Victorine wrote: In post 2476, Victorine wrote: In post 2470, Cheeky Wings wrote: In post 2468, Victorine wrote:I thought it would be pretty obvious what my flavor is by now, and if you know my flavor, you know my restriction.
- Red
First you sign “wolf” now “red” and we’re supposed to tr you for that?
RC told us that flavour is nai. None of that makes you town.
Do townie things and I’ll unvote you. I want to see you try to solve. Why are you still voting Sakura?
Shutposting is my way of doing townie things. If you really studied my meta as Gamma claims, you would know this. You do you.
Besides, when Firebringer shitposts, everyone gives him instant townie pass. Yet when I do it, I am instantly scum.
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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10495484]Subject: A Story Revisited (Anything uPick): Day 6[/url]
NicoRobin wrote:And more importantly, why should she get a free pass for lurking - the thing that's in her actual scum repertoire - when I get scumread for lurking over and over again, despite it being a town trait for me?
Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:21 pm
by GrandpaMo
In post 3810, Deimos27 wrote: In post 3796, Deimos27 wrote: In post 3761, jjh927 wrote:I mean, I got there because GMo seemed to be interpreting things in a really leapy way
I'll clarify.
I do suppose the interaction was very slightly +equity for Mo being informed about Victorine's flavour, but I didn't buy your firm confidence in that associative, nor the reasoning behind it that Mo's intent would have been some intricate plan to get everyone to believe the post restriction.
Because (a) no one was ever gonna believe the post restriction anyway; that ship sailed 100 pages ago
And (b) what is the scum motivation exactly? If people magically did believe the post restriction how would that actually have justified Victorine's previous failure to try to work around the post restriction and try to any degree to participate in the game? What reason did scum have to think establishing the truth of a Victorine post restriction would result in Victorine tr's?
Let me know if I'm entirely misunderstanding your case
If you'd
only
said the "Mo seems to be interpreting things in a really leapy way, I don't get how they arrived at their inference of the flavour claim, it looks informed" bit, then I would've been like "yeah, ig I can kinda see the slight +equity for those two having a PT" (slight because it is also mitigated by Mo's decision shortly thereafter to bus Vic, what's the point)
Your reasoning was what was bizarre to me
But it's ok I came around you might be town for it regardless
scum!me would have hard defended vic just like in open 810
LOL and then used the wifom shit out of that defense after runniing the wagon on vic
u should really check out that game. i somehow won
Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:21 pm
by Sakura Hana
Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:22 pm
by Cheeky Wings
In post 3807, Ircher wrote:
Also, I'm going to point out that while I think Victorine has in fact by this point met this requirement (if quotes and spoilered stuff count), it doesn't appear to me that she has actually been actively trying to stay true to this. What I mean is that given her night ability depends on her meeting her post restriction, I would feel scum!her would be more incentivized to actually fulfill the requirement.
OK that one I was thinking too.
UNVOTE:
~C
Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:23 pm
by Good Luck Buddy
Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:23 pm
by GrandpaMo
In post 3812, Deimos27 wrote: In post 3524, GrandpaMo wrote: In post 3483, GrandpaMo wrote:lol i could care less about vic.
lmfao
all that shit and that energy is fake to me. i just wanted to have fun while exectuing it
can we now vote or what
VOTE: victorine
In post 3484, GrandpaMo wrote: In post 3482, Loftwing wrote:I doubt Visterene's PR is preventing them from playing the game.
But then again RC did include something more bastard than a super Janitor here, so Idk what to believe.
i wouldnt be suprised if loft is scum
yes @diemos
Wait no I misunderstood this timeline Mo's vote on Vic was a million years ago
What was quoting these supposed to establish
u told me if i was scumreading vic i said yes
Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:23 pm
by Deimos27
In post 3783, Ircher wrote: In post 3753, Ircher wrote:If scum!Victorine wanted to coast in this game, she would have just kept up her minimal engagement with the game. That's not at all what happened. Over the course of today, she has offered significant amounts of information unrequested from her.
I will update this to say that the unrequested part is a stretch, but the overall point still stands that she was much more engaged than I would expect her to be if her goal is simply to survive.
The wagon grew very rapidly prior to her real engagement
In fact, her engagement appears to have paused the wagon, more or less
So I'd say the engagement could very well be seen to have been pressured out of her