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↑ Jordan_Downey wrote:It sounds like it's designed to make him a bad NK target, and with a claimed vig sounds survivalistic

bullshit

I'll die anyways with opposing polarity and there's a polarity locker anyways

↑ Xayzeck wrote:

↑ Jordan_Downey wrote:It sounds like it's designed to make him a bad NK target,

this + the fact his role makes more sense for scum than town

and I'm VT

why would my role be scum if opposing polarity actions go through anyways

↑ Jordan_Downey wrote:both tracker and cop seems weird.

literally nothing changes from a normal vt

the only thing my role seems to counter (assuming the like-polarity absorption applies to reflected actions as well)
is jordan's polarity-locking role or polarity-altering roles

which is why i was hesitant to call jordan town the entire game

and why jordan probably didn't hesitate too long to vote me

whatever guys do whatever you want if you lynch me it's gg anyways

won't even get to lynch rach/xay and maybe jordan

/blame skot

↑ Saki wrote:and why jordan probably didn't hesitate too long to vote me

probably why jordan didn't hesitate*

lol English

but srs guys don't listen to skot if you want to discuss whether or not my role is town
his argument isn't "Saki's role is scummy therefore he's scum"
it's "Saki is scummy so Saki's role is scum"

↑ Saki wrote:why would my role be scum if opposing polarity actions go through anyways

I mean look at it this way: the only flipped scum PR is a Polar Majority Goon
and logically we can derive that Polar Minority is also a possible role

now look at this


- likelihood that actions go through on others


+ likelihood that actions hit self


So these are probably semi-Commuters or semi-Strongmen with drawbacks, and
Conversely my role does nothing of the sort

idk wtf is the reasoning behind my role being scum

↑ DrippingGoofball wrote:Pick one.

the more and more i think about it Jordan needs to die
can we like double lynch rach and jordan then have xay vigged

K

VOTE: Jordan

Honestly. Can someone tell me why DGB is considered town to you? PN push and mislynch. Testing the waters with Rach but not trying to make a case or push there. His Saki is SOOOO TOWN it's not funny but I'll vote him in what mylo/lylo? And now us. This guy is beyond all over the place. Could someone explain to me here your thoughts?

I'm not completely sold on scum saki but I think the other head is much more convinced. At this point due to the various things above I'd much rather see someone out of rach/dgb ... Possibly xay or saki next. I'm thinking if there are two scum left it's most likely rach/dgb.

↑ Jordan_Downey wrote:I'd much rather see someone out of rach/dgb

OK so you think Rach is scum?

VOTE: Rach

↑ Jordan_Downey wrote:next

there is no 'next'

Next, as in order of preference.

Welp, followed up with jingle. Honestly at this point, DGB if you are town. You are providing us no possibility of winning this game. I feel at this point you are trying to be so obviously scummy that we decide to think you couldn't possibly be scum, and hopefully everyone else can see that.

VOTE: DGB

So Jordan, Rach is town now?

good freaking lord
what does it take to lynch scum saki...
I hate this place

↑ DrippingGoofball wrote:So Jordan, Rach is town now?

waiting for answer

Right so can we settle this thing first

Because skot is focused on Saki scum

Jordan's kinda jumping but seems settled on DGB

Saki is up for me/Rach

Rach idk

and I'm really down for anyone but Jordan because that's kinda the only decent I read I have. I'm leaning Saki a bit though for the PR, but I need to put a little more thought into that PR and it's usefulness for town/scum

And there's no sk, right?

so skot's vote park has me a tad uncomfortable, but if he's super duper confident, and he seems like it, dk where it's all coming from though, then I get it

jordan seems to have more behind him though, and his jumping around feels a little bit more comfortable

idk what's saki is doing really

dgb is jumping around a lot (this is kinda null though, can't pin it as scum or town unless someone can enlighten me) (also slight jordan sheep on this read because I kinda trust jordan)

so, i'm leaning saki, second is probably a toss up between dgb/skot, rach needs more content, but I'll refrain from throwing her on the list.

So, I would vote saki, but L-1 is not something I'm really comfortable with yet.

WHICH BRINGS ME TOOOOO

Jordan why were you so confident in L-1ing Saki?

Seriously the only case I have seen on me is that I have not been active even though I have stated why I have not been active.

DGB not EVERYONE can be scum so far you seem to be pushing for a wagon, any kind of wagon.

how is this in any way shape or form town?

VOTE: DGB

↑ RachMarie wrote:that I have not been active even though I have stated why I have not been active.

I still like to lynch that sort of thing, I hate players that lurk to victory.

I don't think everyone is scum, I think everyone is town. So I'm voting my town reads by default.

↑ Xayzeck wrote:Jordan why were you so confident in L-1ing Saki?

2 big reasons. At that point, I was almost fully convinced he was scum based on what I thought he had claimed. (I was wrong in my reading, more on that in a minute.) Second, if scum does quickhammer here, there is a very good chance they will get shot.

On the matter of Saki's claim, somehow, on my original read of it I managed to get that he was a BP/Ascetic with a 50/50 shot at having the Night Action directed at him return on the user. Which would be a scumclaim. There is no way I could see anyone claiming ever being town.


As far as reads go, we feel fairly secure that SKOT at the very least claimed the shots he actually made. I think that raises the odds of him being a protown killing role dramatically.

For me, Xayzeck has been a solid meta town read for most of the game. I know that he's been a little apathetic in mafia games in general recently. He hasn't shown the aggression I see when he's scum, even when he's apathetic scum. Aphix disagrees, but I'm forcing him to sheep me on this one.

Saki has been putting pressure on keeping the thread moving. He's been pushing reads and making waves, and generally attempting to solve the game since he came back from what I seem to remember being a site wide flake. My one concern here is the way his reflection-thing works with cops and trackers. Hypothetically, if a cop targets him and they're the same polarity, then the cop gets a result of his own alignment, right? That seems incredibly useful as scum. I don't even know what result a tracker would get. "Your target visited you.' or "Your target visited himself." both seem possible, and both seem like results I would see as town as a tracker.

Rach is a big ball of null to me. She's been prod-dodging and lurking all game, but I've been around enough to know town does that just as much as scum does. Aphix is pretty much convinced she's trying to fly under the radar using RL as an excuse, but I don't get the feeling that she would be the kind to do that. I would lynch based on PoE, but I'm more convinced by far on DGB.

DGB recently has been pushing every way possible, and it feels like scum survivalism. Her vote hopping doesn't look like she's trying to solve anything, and her reaction to SKOT's pressure to vote doesn't read like "I'm sheeping a town-read." but more like "Please don't suspect me." This is easily my biggest scumread.

Also, after a look at the flips and some thinking, I don't think 6 scum makes sense. There's not enough town power to make up for that big of a scumteam, IMO.

That means we are likely in 4v1v1 territory today.