New York 196: My Game, My Flavor Mafia (Mafia Win)

[implosion]

Multiball = multiple separate scumteams.

[Transcend]

mirhawk voting dunn points to VI more than scum fwiw.

pedit: two scum factions

don't rule out the possibility of sk as well.

[Transcend]

it can be multiball if both teams targeted the macho player or jailkeeper actually saved dunn

[implosion]

There's really never any reason to think about multiball/third parties unless we see a flip that makes the game multiball or we see multiple nks multiple nights. Idfk why people keep talking about it like it's actually an important consideration until then because of some gut feeling that the high-level direction of the game indicates multiball.

Like, saying two people aren't likely scum together is an extremely common line of thought. I really don't understand why you're implying it's scummy bc it indicates not thinking about multiball. Have you seriously never seen people use that kind of reasoning in a situation where the game wasn't explicitly guaranteed singleball?

[kraska77]

hmm isnt it extremely unfair for town to play against multiple mafia factions that also get to coordinate during day?

[Transcend]

hmm isnt it extremely unfair for town to play against multiple mafia factions that also get to coordinate during day?

nah. team A can't win with team B. if a member of team A and team B are the final 2, then it's a draw.

[Almost50]

I don't have a whole lot to say but let me try to break down the possibilities and how I view them (regarding Mir & kraska):

1- Both are town (valid option): She scum reads him, he town reads her. En do f story. We should let them both be, but we don't know that.
2- Mir is scum, kraska is town (invalid): She scum reads him, but why is he NOT pushing back on her (being his counter wagon).?
3- kraska is scum, Mir is town (valid): She's rightfully fighting for her life and pushing the counter wagon, while he is calling it as he sees it.
4- Both are scum (valid): yeah, she has a better role than his and they decided if one of them must go it should be Mirhawk, and this is all theater double-layer distancing with her doing the aggression and him not fighting her back (as opposed to being at eachother's necks).

The above alone makes me pick her over him even if I don't trust him. Add to it that she refused to claim, but maybe I'm biased on this one because I tend to claim a lot under pressure, so -maybe- she's been there and is being stubborn as I've promised myself to be in the future.

P-edit: And now she tells us she a newbie, which adds more shade on her alibi to wait for her to have reads and stuff, not to mention the concept of not claiming when you're at L-1 is not exactly an option in Newbie games.

Oh, well. I'd still switch to PV if that one gains momentum anytime this season.

[Transcend]

i lean towards option 1.

[implosion]

A50, that's a very 1-dimensional view of the game. There are plenty of possible reasons scum-Mirhawk wouldn't vote town-Performer/kraska. Some possibilities:

-He didn't want to vote immediately for fear of looking scummy for voting blindly on the counterwagon
-He gave a waffly read earlier and is trying to figure out the best time to transition from that read into a vote
-He's trying to keep his options open and hedge against the kraska wagon disintegrating
etc.

Your "both are town" case is also wrong because Mirhawk doesn't town read her end of story... look at his ISO, he's been very vocally waffling on the slot since he caught up.

[implosion]

(ftr, I would also be happy with a Peregrine lynch today)

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: PeregrineV

[Dunnstral]

Surely Zach can't rain on this parade

[Transcend]

VOTE: PeregrineV

what information are we gonna get off of this lynch?

i mean i'd prefer it over kraska/mirhawk rn but..

[kraska77]

i was never at l-1 though and i was confident i can get people off my wagon without much effort since the wagon assembled on a weak case anyway
i like almost50's post. but al, if my read on agar is correct then he could easily make people hesitate to vote mir(if he is his scum too) by making it look like im redirecting pressure from my wagon to his. otherwise im not too hot on this vote, but i cant discount the possibility that a scum agar could make the mir wagon loose momentum and make it so neither of us gets lynched and we keep drawing this shit out in day 3. im giving mir a chance to acquit himself but he keeps evading my point even though it makes sense, in his last post he basically asked me what the merit in doing something useful with his vote and exerting pressure on people other than dunn is...he might be giving up or something...but...he's flailing and i dont like this
also he voted dunn right before i replaced in so it's not all that far fetched that he would hesitate to vote me if he's scum

[Dunnstral]

I'm not lynching people for information

[Boem_u_dusi]

PeregrineV seems town to me. Not very useful town, but still town. Unfortunately, very easy target for mafia.

[kraska77]

guys can we pressure agar or titus
or podokhkjfjkl
how about that
prefer the first two

[Boem_u_dusi]

PeregrineV agreeing with Nosferatu about bad vibes from implosion would be somewhat stupid if they were mafia together.

[Transcend]

kraska if you can make a case on agar that is more than

"his case on me is bullshit"

i'd POSSIBLY be willing to rope AGar.

but you gotta be convincing

[Boem_u_dusi]

I'm still thinking Mirhawk goes today and then we reevaluate implosion, PeregrineV and Performer slot.

[kraska77]

kraska if you can make a case on agar that is more than

"his case on me is bullshit"

i'd POSSIBLY be willing to rope AGar.

but you gotta be convincing

yessir
i will
but if im gonna write something half decent i'll need time obviously
so cya when im done(probably tomorrow)

[Transcend]

you're honestly scumming it up again quite a bit

pedit: no rush.

[Boem_u_dusi]

These calls for PeregrineV lynch look very opportunistic to me. Normally, I'd be up for it because he's not doing anything useful but he voted Vedith D1 so I'm willing to let him sit on his ass for now. I want more focus on implosion/Mirhawk.

[shannon]

guys can we pressure agar or titus
or podokhkjfjkl
how about that
prefer the first two

I don't know why podoboq's name is so hard for people, it's symmetrical

I could happily see the end of Titus. I think her style has really changed since the heady days of the mason claims and I can only think it's a response to having so much negative attention on her. Same with Zach.

[Transcend]

guys can we pressure

agar or

titus

or podokhkjfjkl
how about that
prefer the first two

I don't know why podoboq's name is so hard for people, it's symmetrical

I could happily see the end of Titus

. I think her style has really changed since the heady days of the mason claims and I can only think it's a response to having so much negative attention on her. Same with Zach.

cat fight.