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Tywin 101:

1. Make the short story long.

I still kinda feel like Tywin could be scum here too but he's not getting lynched anytime soon so

In post 3851, Vifam wrote:I still kinda feel like Tywin could be scum here too but he's not getting lynched anytime soon so

Consider my current vote just like my James vote. I'm good voting scum until someone convinces me there's better scum to vote.

In post 3823, Almost50 wrote:

In post 3816, havingfitz wrote:

In post 3796, Almost50 wrote:If we lynch Elena and she flips Town I'm shooting fitz just to br absolutely sure. He claimed a VT, so not a great loss to Town if he is telling the truth, but saves us a mislynch.

How does Elena flipping town indict me?

And regardless of your reply....I'm always agains the the lynching of me.

Does any of "just to be absolutely sure", "claimed a VT", "not a great loss to

Town

", or "saves us a

mislynch

" tell you anything about me scum reading you at all?

So you'll shoot me because you think I am town (albeit just a VT) so that we don't have a mislynch? How about you shoot for someone who might be scum and we don't shoot OR lynch me. That would save town from a mislynch AND eliminate scum or a more suspect player. Assuming your shot is able to go through.

Honestly, if Vifam flips busdriver/redirector, I'd be a lot more comfortable about tonight.

I wont

In post 3853, havingfitz wrote:

In post 3823, Almost50 wrote:

In post 3816, havingfitz wrote:

In post 3796, Almost50 wrote:If we lynch Elena and she flips Town I'm shooting fitz just to br absolutely sure. He claimed a VT, so not a great loss to Town if he is telling the truth, but saves us a mislynch.

How does Elena flipping town indict me?

And regardless of your reply....I'm always agains the the lynching of me.

Does any of "just to be absolutely sure", "claimed a VT", "not a great loss to

Town

", or "saves us a

mislynch

" tell you anything about me scum reading you at all?

So you'll shoot me because you think I am town (albeit just a VT) so that we don't have a mislynch? How about you shoot for someone who might be scum and we don't shoot OR lynch me. That would save town from a mislynch AND eliminate scum or a more suspect player. Assuming your shot is able to go through.

1- Your survivalist attitude is starting to ping me.
2- You also got too alarmed by the idea you stopped solving the game altogether and made this your one and only issue. That's ALSO alarming.
3- Why don't you just let me handle my shit and you handle yours. Whatever makes you think Elena's flipping Town anyway? Because -according to your last published full read list in 3590- you had Elena as your third suspect after Vifam and SlySly, so I don't see where the confidence in her flipping Town comes from.

OK, guys. fitz' reaction is rubbing me the wrong way. It's not the natural response from a "mere VT" at the game state we're in. We can lynch that one too. Who was still pushing this slot besides Fuzzy?

Btw, a Vig does not shoot "suspects". A Vig should always go for the compromise on semi-unlynchable slots unless they are mechanically confirmed. I would have never shot James for example, simply because he would have veen lynched sooner or later, so why waste my bullets?

In post 3856, Almost50 wrote:1- Your survivalist attitude is starting to ping me.
2- You also got too alarmed by the idea you stopped solving the game altogether and made this your one and only issue. That's ALSO alarming.
3- Why don't you just let me handle my shit and you handle yours. Whatever makes you think Elena's flipping Town anyway? Because -according to your last published full read list in 3590- you had Elena as your third suspect after Vifam and SlySly, so I don't see where the confidence in her flipping Town comes from.

1-I do not make it a habit of supporting or advocating my own lynch. Feel free to be pinged all you want. Lynching me would be a mislynch and shooting me would be a wasted shot.

2-I haven't stopped doing anything thank you. I'm voting who I suspect today for reasons provided.

3-WTF are you talking about? I don't care about your "shit" unless it involves me... Ex. You asked me a question. I answered it.....based Your scenario where Elena flips town. My read on Elena has not changed since the last time I gave it.

In post 3857, Almost50 wrote:OK, guys. fitz' reaction is rubbing me the wrong way. It's not the natural response from a "mere VT" at the game state we're in. We can lynch that one too. Who was still pushing this slot besides Fuzzy?

@Fitz:

I did ask if you were OK with me shooting you, yes. A simple Yes/No would have sufficed. Instead, you asked why I would scum read you if Elena flipped Town (false assumption. Shows incomprehension of my statement), and when I said I didn't you started arguing and directing me on whom I should/shouldn't shoot. THAT is what pings me. A VT would normally respond along the lines of "Whatever, dude." or "I don't think that's a good idea.", and if the condition was for Elena to flip green and you actually had a SR on her then it could've been "That's IF she flips green."

Now, I'm NOT trying to tell you how to respond. Do whatever you wish, mate. However, that was a reaction test and you failed by my own standards, so YES you are now back in my list of suspects. Now whether you are THE lynch of the day is up to the rest of town to decide. I don't think you should be. I still think you seriously need to be eliminated regardless of your alignment. If you're Scum then it's obvious why. If you're Town, then we deny Scum another opportunity to manipulate their way into a victory in late game, as it doesn't look like you're getting lynched soon but you are far from being confirmed still, hence my dilemma and my proposed solution.

In post 3850, SlySly wrote:Tywin 101:

1. Make the short story long.

So you think I'm scum because my posts are long, or because you simply don't like to read anything? You already admitted already to not having read a single thing all game, so I just think you're useless scum that can't make an actual case. You've just used excuses all game as to why you're useless af, admit to not reading or trying whatsoever, and then chainsaw when I question your scum buddy fuzzy. If fuzzy flips scum, you're next bud.

Aside from that, carry on being useless and scummy at every turn, and congrats on posting the worst case you possibly could. You really couldn't think of anything better? Did Nero dying take away all your help? Interesting how all of a sudden, life just changed for you! It was so tough for you to post or read during the last two phases, because naturally, life got in the way right after D1 like clockwork. Then Nero died and BAM all of a sudden your schedule is clear! What a coincidence!

Oh, I went over my word quota already. Damn. Here, have a tl;dr: Sly is obv scum and his buddy is fuzzy.

In post 3862, Tywin Lannister wrote:You already admitted already to not having read a single thing all game

Wrong, I said I wasn't properly engaged. I've read every post.

Tywin, why you not voting Vifam to put him at L-1, but instead you said he escaped lynch again? I clearly remember your promise vote him before you gone for weekend

In post 3861, Almost50 wrote:@Fitz:

I did ask if you were OK with me shooting you, yes. A simple Yes/No would have sufficed. Instead, you asked why I would scum read you if Elena flipped Town (false assumption. Shows incomprehension of my statement), and when I said I didn't you started arguing and directing me on whom I should/shouldn't shoot. THAT is what pings me. A VT would normally respond along the lines of "Whatever, dude." or "I don't think that's a good idea.", and if the condition was for Elena to flip green and you actually had a SR on her then it could've been "That's IF she flips green."

Now, I'm NOT trying to tell you how to respond. Do whatever you wish, mate. However, that was a reaction test and you failed by my own standards, so YES you are now back in my list of suspects. Now whether you are THE lynch of the day is up to the rest of town to decide. I don't think you should be.

I still think you seriously need to be eliminated regardless of your alignment

. If you're Scum then it's obvious why. If you're Town, then we deny Scum another opportunity to manipulate their way into a victory in late game, as it doesn't look like you're getting lynched soon but you are far from being confirmed still, hence my dilemma and my proposed solution.

I'm generally not succinct enough for a yes or no. You respond your way and I'll respond mine. Kinda of like you handling your own shit.

And I did not ask why you would scum read me if Elena flipped town. You said IF Elena flipped town that you would shoot me. In my mind that means you have somehow linked me to Elena based on her alignment. So Elena flipping town must somehow implicate me in your view which is what I was trying to sort out. What if Elena is lynched at some point and flips scum? Does that mean shoot me as well? IDK...that's what I am trying to resolve. As I did not think I was suspect to you...your revelation that you would shoot me came as a bit of a surprise.

And I hardly think saying I do not want to be shot and that you should shoot someone you suspect is directing your shot. Saying "Shoot Sly or Xnadro" would be directing. Which I have not done. I agree shooting someone like a James would have been a waste given his impending sorting. Vig shots IMO should at least be directed towards someone who is still in fact suspect. Once again...you vig how you like. If you actually do suspect me...shoot away. Just don't ask for a thumbs up from me.

Lastly...if you think I am a detriment to town as long as I am alive and a probable mislynch down the road...any credibility you have earned in my mind this game has gone down the shitter.

I'm town. I'm invested in getting rid of scum.

In post 3864, Ramcius wrote:Tywin, why you not voting Vifam to put him at L-1, but instead you said he escaped lynch again? I clearly remember your promise vote him before you gone for weekend

Cuz everyone unvoted and looked elsewhere after Vifam asked for more time to say.... nothing at all actually. I'm not sure why Vifam asked for more time when he didn't actually do anything with it. I'd still vote there, but now I want Sly lynched. He's obv scum IMO, but he kept getting free passes all game because of his excuses. Take those away as fake and he practically screams scum.

In post 3866, Tywin Lannister wrote:

In post 3864, Ramcius wrote:Tywin, why you not voting Vifam to put him at L-1, but instead you said he escaped lynch again? I clearly remember your promise vote him before you gone for weekend

Cuz everyone unvoted and looked elsewhere after Vifam asked for more time to say.... nothing at all actually. I'm not sure why Vifam asked for more time when he didn't actually do anything with it. I'd still vote there, but now I want Sly lynched. He's obv scum IMO, but he kept getting free passes all game because of his excuses. Take those away as fake and he practically screams scum.

i don't want Sly lynch based on his interactions with Nero, Nero was pushing him pretty hard, but he never tried push Vifam, contrary, Vifam was his top TR, but he never said why, also RC replace out - scum, Vifam - town action, when Kyo was L-3 and i was alone on Wifam wagon, Nero asked me to choose other wagon that more likely to go trough, we strugle with a VT lynch since D1, how that possible?

In post 3867, Ramcius wrote:

In post 3866, Tywin Lannister wrote:

In post 3864, Ramcius wrote:Tywin, why you not voting Vifam to put him at L-1, but instead you said he escaped lynch again? I clearly remember your promise vote him before you gone for weekend

Cuz everyone unvoted and looked elsewhere after Vifam asked for more time to say.... nothing at all actually. I'm not sure why Vifam asked for more time when he didn't actually do anything with it. I'd still vote there, but now I want Sly lynched. He's obv scum IMO, but he kept getting free passes all game because of his excuses. Take those away as fake and he practically screams scum.

i don't want Sly lynch based on his interactions with Nero, Nero was pushing him pretty hard, but he never tried push Vifam, contrary, Vifam was his top TR, but he never said why, also RC replace out - scum, Vifam - town action, when Kyo was L-3 and i was alone on Wifam wagon, Nero asked me to choose other wagon that more likely to go trough, we strugle with a VT lynch since D1, how that possible?

I'll have to reread, because I don't remember it. If true, then you're probably right. I didn't see anyone question or really interact with Nero much, so the Almost shot was a pretty good read/call.

What pings me the most was Sly's read list that called you, Almost, and comm scum. You're all basically as clear as I think anyone can be, yet he still threw that out there. It means either he didn't read anything (which he claims he's read every post in the game), or he's scum trying to throw shade on obvious town. It didn't make sense in the context he posted it, because Nero was already dead, James lynched, Comm had already given his investigation, and you had already claimed to have jailed comm last night. It was just weird. I don't even remember who he actually TR in it, but it was someone in the lynch pool. It just looked off, but Almost laughed about it and said he wouldn't vote sly over it. Since I didn't read it as a joke, I still question why he made the post. He never did answer.

In post 3868, Tywin Lannister wrote:What pings me the most was Sly's read list that called you, Almost, and comm scum.

I said they were scummy. You keep trying to take the "my" away. I'm gonna keep adding it back on every time you try.

In post 3868, Tywin Lannister wrote:

In post 3867, Ramcius wrote:

In post 3866, Tywin Lannister wrote:

In post 3864, Ramcius wrote:Tywin, why you not voting Vifam to put him at L-1, but instead you said he escaped lynch again? I clearly remember your promise vote him before you gone for weekend

Cuz everyone unvoted and looked elsewhere after Vifam asked for more time to say.... nothing at all actually. I'm not sure why Vifam asked for more time when he didn't actually do anything with it. I'd still vote there, but now I want Sly lynched. He's obv scum IMO, but he kept getting free passes all game because of his excuses. Take those away as fake and he practically screams scum.

i don't want Sly lynch based on his interactions with Nero, Nero was pushing him pretty hard, but he never tried push Vifam, contrary, Vifam was his top TR, but he never said why, also RC replace out - scum, Vifam - town action, when Kyo was L-3 and i was alone on Wifam wagon, Nero asked me to choose other wagon that more likely to go trough, we strugle with a VT lynch since D1, how that possible?

I'll have to reread, because I don't remember it. If true, then you're probably right. I didn't see anyone question or really interact with Nero much, so the Almost shot was a pretty good read/call.

What pings me the most was Sly's read list that called you, Almost, and comm scum. You're all basically as clear as I think anyone can be, yet he still threw that out there. It means either he didn't read anything (which he claims he's read every post in the game), or he's scum trying to throw shade on obvious town. It didn't make sense in the context he posted it, because Nero was already dead, James lynched, Comm had already given his investigation, and you had already claimed to have jailed comm last night. It was just weird. I don't even remember who he actually TR in it, but it was someone in the lynch pool. It just looked off, but Almost laughed about it and said he wouldn't vote sly over it. Since I didn't read it as a joke, I still question why he made the post. He never did answer.

most Nero ISO is his hardcore push on RC, so no wonder you can't remember much

You vs Sly going from start of tread i still remember calling that TvT, when i replaced in at page 12 i think, as for calling most people scums, it was clearly joke and i don't want start lynching people for bad jokes on D4, when i have scum ISO for associations

I've asked this before and nobody claimed having been neighborized by PV. It thus follows PV must've neighborized a scumster or not at all. I'm leaning the former. Scum found out about him being a neighborizer and took him out, but I cannot really take a guess of any degree of confidence on whom PV might've targeted with his ability. Any thoughts?

Their target could already be dead

Almost why do you have such a strong townread on Tywin? Other than "he's actually trying"

In post 3869, SlySly wrote:

In post 3868, Tywin Lannister wrote:What pings me the most was Sly's read list that called you, Almost, and comm scum.

I said they were scummy. You keep trying to take the "my" away. I'm gonna keep adding it back on every time you try.

I have no idea what this means.