Okay, so let me basically outline my reads, in order of decreasing scumminess.
I'm not going to repeat the flinging of deodorizing toppings on top of the scum sundae that is Rach. From the active lurking, near-total lack of substantial engagement with any known scum, the lack of response to her wagon...this has been duly gone over already. Instead, I'm going to point out what I think is the clincher, in which any remaining thoughts one might have of her being town are sure to be crushed:
↑ RachMarie wrote:SKOT I get that you think Saki is scum what do you think about DGB?
This...
this BS right here
, is the scummiest possible address of SKOT I can fathom at this point.
Like, seriously, I can't even. What town motivation could there possibly be in asking him for a read on ONE person right now? Not even
touching
on
that's wrong with SKOT's boneheaded play recently?
I understand that browbeating and being hostile to SKOT (while perhaps not entirely unjustified) has worked about as well as abstinence-only sex education, and this is definitely a break from that behavior. But
come on
, guys. This clearly isn't an attempt to correct SKOT's play, get him to see reason, or even force him to generate more information before we go into night, all of which I think would be a
to anyone even remotely beholden to a pro-town win condition. Even if one were to assume that Rach
is
town who thought SKOT was
right
about Saki and wanted to hear more from him (and that strikes me as fundamentally bonkers), this breaks down due to the fact that she's only asking about
ONE
person, the controversial DGB.
This is in NO way town trying to open a real dialogue or getting more information out there, this is scum feeling out another mislynch her pet VI might champion to give her the win. Lynch plz?
p-edit: oh look at that, right on fucking schedule.
p-edit 2: backpedal harder
Do I really need to write about this guy? I think everything has been covered already. He's an unreadable VI and I don't like unreadable players (or the "too scummy to be scum" WIFOM-mess) so he can play a distant second fiddle to Rach.
My main reason for thinking he might be SK is that, as pointed out on page 151, his kills make no sense coming from a sane town vig perspective (which he clearly does not have). Particularly, there is no reason for him not to have at least taken a shot at Saki if his scum read on him was really that strong. And from there he has basically plugged his ears and gone "LALALALALA" the whole rest of the game.
Hopefully Saki reflect-kills him tonight.
Lost in the gray mist. I remember his behavior being pretty erratic throughout the game, and recent events are no exception. He goes from
pointedly opposing DGB's town read of SKOT yesterday to blindly accepting his claim today. Him syncing his reads with SKOT rubs me the wrong way, but then again I know players who "trim the fat" and go along with what they feel are the good parts of whatever people say. I can't decide whether
this is fence-sitting scum or cautious, out-of-the-box town that I can't see eye to eye with.
For what it's worth, he's definitely done right where Rach has done very very wrong with his address of SKOT:
↑ aphix wrote:So SKOT, aside from cop stated he didn't like Saki, which there is evidence that he wasn't sold himself of that read ... Could you surmise your case on him for me? Cause I don't remember one currently, just you screaming he is scum. Which hasn't been convincing.
But then that contradicts his scumread of Saki in the above linked post...
Sigh.
Ugh.
DGB, listen, I want to believe with all my heart and soul and being that you are town and that you me and Saki will prevail over the scum and frolic in the verdant fields of victory. But the shadow of the Serial Killer weighs down my mind, and keeps our promised paradise behind unbreakable glass.
Sure, scum Rach is pushing you, and I do recall you having a reputation for being an easy scapegoat for scum. But I don't get how you were towning both Saki and SKOT at the same time. I don't know, it just seems paradoxical given how much sense Saki was making and how little sense SKOT was. Perhaps the thing that bothers me the most is how you voted for Saki on page 152 after extolling your strong town read of him for a while; even if Jordan was getting swept up in illogical associative scum reads on you (because let's face it, PN was scummy as hell), I think the town move is to stay calm and convince rather than go for self-preservation.
If it weren't for these nagging fucking things, I would call you my biggest townread. Instead that has to go to..
Saki is turbotown and I am lynching that shit approximately never.
Sure, you can't deny he looked iffy early to midgame, but I have watched Saki and ever since then he's stepped up his game significantly. Even when things have gotten heated and it seemed like he could have been done for today, he has calmly and rationally dismantled the wagon on him. Plus, he's an un-CC'd PR and there is nothing setup-wise that suggests that he's fake claiming.
Like, seriously, I don't get how anybody can read this guy's posts even on the whole and then call him scum. Everything he has said makes sense, his positions have smoothly changed and have been substantiated, even his frustrated angry antics were clearly not scum-motivated. Everything in my head, heart, and gut tells me that Saki is town. If that makes me a fool, then fine. He's gone fucking ham sandwich on this game and frankly if he is scum he deserves to win this game.