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↑ True Ogre wrote:
Axel I notice your wagon analysis is mostly composed of events that have happened and a conclusion. There is very little of your reasoning for having overall feelings that votes could be bus votes given what you've learned about the players in the came over the last month.

You say my vote is a "possible" bus vote, but overall do you actually think I'm scum? What's your assessment of my slot and why?

My overall view is that I think you're probably town, with a paranoid side of "there could be some kind of elaborate gambit going on here..." But probably Town. I think your claim is largely believable (with two questions see below). The analysis is what it is, and the conclusions are obviously from my personal perspective, but I welcome people to disagree with me about it. I'm happy to engage, it just hasn't happened very much so far. You are also just wrong to say my reasoning isn't including what I already know/believe about the players.

Regarding your full-steam-ahead cases too. This happened with you with your Seniors push as well where I think there were little indications that you were tending a certain direction, have looked around at what the group-feel was, and then have come in with a big case-post which I struggle to believe that you believe yourself.

A readslist from you with overall reasons would be great even if you feel like your reads are obvious.

It's kind of annoying when you take the time to do an in-depth re-read of someone, really try and formulate an opinion, explain your reasoning, and then get completely dismissed by people saying you're trying too hard and "over-justifying" and also you're just following along with the "group-think". At the very least give me some credit for forming my own opinions. And I'm pretty sure neither FS or Skybird were consensus lynches at the times when I voted for them. FS wasn't even lynched at all, and I didn't vote Ranger. There have been other people who have gotten votes I haven't voted for, and people I've voted who have gone nowhere. So the group-think allegation is just completely incorrect.

Clearly my style is rubbing a lot of people the wrong way in this game, I realize this. It's not the first time. Here's a sad but true war story. In 11+ years playing this game, over 5 different mafia sites and I can't count how many games, I have been mislynched exactly 1 time. Once. And that was right here on Mafiascum the very last time (I think) I was Town. Because a lot of people who had never played with me before were just super-suspicious of the way I sounded. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that, when I started, you could play whole games in under 1000 posts. Large games. In a lot of ways it was a lot easier. Now you have 2500+ post Day 1's. If I played more it might be different, but I'm probably too old a dog to learn you kids new tricks.

Also, since you asked so nicely, this is roughly where I am:

Mod-Confirmed Town: pistachion
Almost certain Town: Marquis, davesaz (based on result), Malakittens (based on result), podoboq (based on strong read)
Leaning Town: True Ogre, Mirhawk
Undecided: Pied Piper, Friendless Seniors, itlepip, Cereberus
Scummiest: Dramonic, SirCakez, TicTac (now replacement), Dwlee99

Undecided represents FS actually moving up from where I had him early on, itlepip is down from where I had Beeboy. Pied Piper is the one I feel most in need of re-reading, but I haven't found the time or energy to just do it yet. In scummiest, I've said everything I have to say about Draminoc. Pretty sure I've made my position on Cakez clear too. TicTac is also in need of a re-read, but I know there were several things I didn't like. Dwlee is just bugging me.

↑ True Ogre wrote:
Also I have role-based reasons to *tend* to think Piper's town. It's not strong, but it's another consideration for me. And if you haven't picked up on what my role is yet, then you're just going to have to wait till I die or until it becomes super-relevant.

First Question to you: Given your claim, what "role-based" reasons are making you think PP is Town? You didn't ever target him, and I don't believe he's claimed anything.

↑ True Ogre wrote:Okay. Well this is going to be fun because I'm late for work again so I imagine there's going to be a nice rush of activity. But it was you I was waiting on to say go ahead itle since I assumed you had some part in the results.

I'm Willy Wonka, flavour cop. (Slightly amused at this role given my alt.)

No result N1 investigating pistach, and no result again N2 investigating Axel.

I thought it extremely unlikely that I'd be interfered with N1 so I assumed pistach was lying.

*sigh* have fun.

Second question: Did you by any chance inquire of the Mod. for any clarification on what would cause "no result". i.e. is this what the mod. would tell you if you were role-blocked (instead of just saying, for example, "you have been role-blocked.")

IDk the whole flavor "no result" thing is odd.

It's probably more a RB'r than anything else at least I'm assuming.

I'll be around late tomorrow.

↑ itlepip wrote:I'm kinda in the boat where I want TPP to be scum because then Mirhawk is super scum but nothing about their posts really do anything either way for me.

Does our being town make Mirhawk more or less likely to be town and why?

↑ podoboq wrote:Whoa, I do not want to clear FS using that logic.

Okay, that's good to hear.

↑ Dwlee99 wrote:Found it

That's only the most recent; you missed quite a few since the start of day 2.

↑ davesaz wrote:

↑ The Pied Piper wrote:Cakez, I have a pretty good idea where your tictac scumread is coming from, but they aren't scum. Axel would be a better vote.

Hmm, where do you think it's coming from?

The reason we worded it that way is that we're trying to avoid outing 3+ different people's roles, none of whom are public knowledge at this time. I would rather not speculate in public about what roles my townreads have if they haven't felt like outing themselves yet.

↑ Flubbernugget wrote:Actually Plot, do you have any posts on FS that don't involve meta?

Seems like sorting you two is a good place to start

The only aspect of my case on Seniors that involves meta is that they claim they wouldn't defend a buddy in trouble but they have too defended buddies in trouble in previous games. That's a minor point. The rest of the case is firmly grounded in this game, and you can find it in 3809. I know it's long; this is a 150 page game and their slot has nearly 300 posts in it. Please read it anyway.

Flubber you're gonna have to contribute more then that.
I dislike how FS is still the leading wagon with no real counter offered. It's like scum wants the game in this kind of melancholy game state with one leading wagon and nothing really happening. If they were scum I think there would have been a counterwagon by now.

Sircakez what do you think of the soft from tpp?

I don't think it was an actual soft anymore with the claim from Marquis. Just a weird townread.

↑ SirCakez wrote:Flubber you're gonna have to contribute more then that.
I dislike how FS is still the leading wagon with no real counter offered. It's like scum wants the game in this kind of melancholy game state with one leading wagon and nothing really happening. If they were scum I think there would have been a counterwagon by now.

Lol at "contribute more than that"

Followed by "there's no good counterwagon" with you on a vanity wagon and the other cw only recently dying down.

Doesn't a lack of a cw point to scum anyway??

Reads, a vote, some analysis of anything?

Lack of a counterwagon points to the main wagon being on town.

↑ SirCakez wrote:I don't think it was an actual soft anymore with the claim from Marquis. Just a weird townread.

That was a soft. Holy hell dude

I don't want to fish into it :/

dude. It was a soft. It was a soft when we already have a claimed cop. LYNCH IT

what could give someone an innocent that isnt a cop in order for that soft to work?

I think that while that's generally true about counterwagons, it depends on the situation that the rest of the scum are in, and how skilled they are. There are slots that nobody would follow them onto a counterwagon if they started one, for example Axel. And there are players like Cerberus who enjoy being an honorary treestump.

For me, the strangest thing about the Seniors wagon is that I think everyone voting them is town, but I think I saw an all town wagon in Inorganic Chemistry that was larger than this one. I'd have to look it up.

Ranger was a counterwagon to Seniors/Mirhawk on day 1, though.

pedit:

↑ Dwlee99 wrote:dude. It was a soft. It was a soft when we already have a claimed cop. LYNCH IT

itlepip earlier softed a dramonic inno. so.

↑ Marquis wrote:

↑ Dwlee99 wrote:dude. It was a soft. It was a soft when we already have a claimed cop. LYNCH IT

itlepip earlier softed a dramonic inno. so.

lynch all of them holy fuck

:/

is a town dwlee really this blindly bloodthirsty

Dude I totally have a dram inno, I don't know what you are talking about.

↑ SirCakez wrote:Reads, a vote, some analysis of anything?

Lack of a counterwagon points to the main wagon being on town.

I already told you I'm not reading much into what's already posted

You're trying to grill me for going through 2 pages of content and not having the game solved. Actually, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and call it three because I looked at the flips and skimmed the vote counts. Your push still sucks

I'm going to read through all of plot's post within the next day or so

Btw in all seriousness if we can get 1 more town person town just has auto this game.
Current town circle of loverlyness

Cake
Marquis
Cerb
Dav
Mala
True
Pistach
Pip

with maybe Dram or Dwlee entering as the last slot.

You're trying to auto the game based off of a townbloc?

How many conftown in it?

BTW I am going to soft the fact that my alignment won't ever be a problem for town this game.

4 or 5 if I count myself.