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Purple, Almost50
Gamma Emerald

Chara, baku and munna, Creature, Bronya Zaychik, Reasonably Rational, Nancy Drew 39, Dunnstral, Heart, Skybird, Iconeum

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In post 3864, Chara wrote:

In post 3859, Reasonably Rational wrote:What Chara's asking for comes ahead of forming reads.

Really really. So yeah, if time is limited, please focus on that. Thanks! <3

this, Nancy. i hope you feel better soon.
but, yes, if you only have time to devote to one thing, the puzzle is priority.

I’m not entirely sure what happened. I had the outline figured out but when I tried to complete it; it got reset. Hopefully, I can remember it and thanks, I really appreciate you undestanding.

I know that you and RR are counting on me and I take that very seriously. I will try my damndest, not to let you guys down.

In post 3859, Reasonably Rational wrote:

In post 3857, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:

In post 3844, Reasonably Rational wrote:Speaking of Nancy, where are you in the game now? Have you at least been reading the new posts as you catch up on the old?

-Cerb

Yes I have but until I’m fully caught up; I’m at a definite disadvantage. I will try to give some more reads later.

What Chara's asking for comes ahead of forming reads.

Really really. So yeah, if time is limited, please focus on that. Thanks! <3

-Cerb

Yes, the puzzle. I’m not really sure of its significance but I will do my best to complete it.

We got prodded or something. What even.

~Kiana

Oh, right, I forgot, we don't have a vote today.

~Kiana

So, we have confirmation that Dunnstral can't be voted for by at least one individual.

VOTE: Dunnstral

I should have probably done this before, just to have independent corroboration that Dunnstral truly can't be voted for. Possible they're not truly lynchproof, and the votes simply don't show up until they reach lynch or some other threshold. That would reduce the semi-counterclaim effect of having two slots that are lynchproof in Pacifist.

@Kiana: So you lost your vote when we went to Pacifist? And PH went from having half a vote(which is functionally no vote, unless another half vote exists), to having 2 votes?

-Cerb

-Cerb

In post 3880, Reasonably Rational wrote:@Kiana: So you lost your vote when we went to Pacifist? And PH went from having half a vote(which is functionally no vote, unless another half vote exists), to having 2 votes?

Correct.

In post 3881, Reasonably Rational wrote:

@Varsoon: What is a "simple majority" of votes as defined in the rule set?

-Cerb

In post 3883, Varsoon wrote:

In post 3881, Reasonably Rational wrote:

@Varsoon: What is a "simple majority" of votes as defined in the rule set?

-Cerb

½ # of living players +1, rounded down.
So for today, on Pacifist, there's 14 living players (Snarky Snowman doesn't count as 'living').
Half of 14 is 7. 7 + 1 is 8. It takes 8 votes to lynch a player. This is reflected on the VC.

So due to rounding, a half vote will never accomplish anything on a slot, unless we reach day end and the vote is decided by most votes/most recent vote at that time.

Hmm.

-Cerb

So...any particular reason why the game is so dead right now, yet there are only 5 votes total which have been placed?

-Cerb

In post 3870, Purple Heart wrote:

1)

Gamma

, you say you're being tunneled, but what did you do with

Iconeum

for D1? What's your read on him now?

2)

Thoughts on

Venmar

, or a general readslist?

3)

Also, your case on

MC

is that they have a guilty on you, but you tracked them and they took no night action? Correct?

Finally done with the ISO maps so far.
My vote still stands unless

Alisae

talks me into changing it.

~ Taly

1) I don't think I tunneled Iconeum? Either way, current read is "might be mafia but he's kinda low importance". My main reason for lynching him over anyone else was mostly "If he's mafia I see him having the charisma to fuck shit up".
2) I think Venmar's read on me is okay? It has felt weird but I don't see anything too bad with his meta argument he had. As for other reads I could totally see Dunn being scum with MC, but other than that I need to review for associations because that's the only person I would immediately say looks suspicious off a MC scum flip.
3) Yeah that's the majority of it. The other is the fact that no matter what happens to the things impacting their reads it never seems to change them. Reads as a scum agenda. If MC were to explain the guilty and how they got it I'd give them the pass on that one but the second point would still remain.

i'll be transparent about it with those who don't already know. i'm waiting on something, should be obvious that it's Nancy's puzzle. difficult to move forward without that done. once she's done it's Gamma's turn.

Also to be transparent, if we get to 6 days left and the remainder of the list hasn't completed the puzzle, I'll be aggressively leading wagons on each person until they finish it.

Not completing it is close to the most anti-town thing you could do.

-Cerb

In post 3873, baku and munna wrote:

In post 3819, Purple Heart wrote:

Spoiler: Baku ISO Map

baku and munna 281 to 3800

Taly/Alisae/Purple Heart

+1940 +=?2753 ☀ +=3464 +-?3474

Maid Cafe

++281 +516 +521 +524 ++2753 ☀ ?3102 =3108] +3232 +-3464 -3472 -3474 +3722 -3792

ReasonablyRational

+281 +516 ++568 =+1228 =1268 +2753 ☀ =3136 ++3474 +3722 =3738]3738

Bronya Zaychik

==2753 +=2764 ☀ -3474 -3485 =?3491 =3273 =3738

Chara

-=281 -516 -568 --1223 -1228 -1260 -=1262 -1264 -1268 -2753 ☀ =3464 =3472 +==3474

Creature

==2753 ☀ +3474

SnarkySnowman

-==2753 ☀ ?3474

Almost50

==2753 ☀ +3474 +3607

Skybird

+1223 ?2691 +2753 ☀ -3474 =3491

Iconeum

-516 ==?1223 ?2753 ☀ +3474

Micc/Nancy

==2753 ☀ ==3474 =3792

Dunn

+2753 ☀ ==?3474

Venmar

+281 +516 ==?524 ?1264 =2666 +2753 ☀ -3337 +==3474 +3722

Tibor and Lumia/Gamma

=1222 =2658 ==-2753 ☀ ?3102 -v3113 -3474 -3673

____________________________________________________________

Shining Dreamers

=281 -516 -524 --1940 -2753 ✝☀

OnTheMark

-281 ==516 ++==524 =568 =?762 --v1222 -1258 =1262 ?1264 -1271 =2658 -2691 ?2753 =2759 ✝☀

Baku

, there are several slots where you've only mildly interacted with or gave thoughts about through readslist, do you have any strong reads at the moment and any clarity on the lesser interacted with slots?

~ Taly

im gonna take this as referring to
creature, snarky, almost, skybird, iconeum, micc/nancy, dunn
creature i tend to not get reads on, they just sound like background noise to me. what i do remember of his posting was alright. nulltown.
snarky is in this game?
almost is an interesting one. hammer on mark makes them likely scum. however, their response to it was the most townie one possible. however, almost is a good enough player to pull that off. I do trust Chara's meta on him which is what is making me pause on his alignment.
iconeum - lynch bait imo. probably town if skybird is scum.
i reckon skybird is scum because of their assertion about ico's alignment.
micc/nancy are in this game?
dunn could be scum due to 0 reasons to think they are town

I suppose you're undecided with then?

Also, what gives you the impression that are different alignments?

Where's your vote at the moment? Is worthy of it?

In post 3880, Reasonably Rational wrote:So, we have confirmation that Dunnstral can't be voted for by at least one individual.

VOTE: Dunnstral

I should have probably done this before, just to have independent corroboration that Dunnstral truly can't be voted for. Possible they're not truly lynchproof, and the votes simply don't show up until they reach lynch or some other threshold. That would reduce the semi-counterclaim effect of having two slots that are lynchproof in Pacifist.

@Kiana: So you lost your vote when we went to Pacifist? And PH went from having half a vote(which is functionally no vote, unless another half vote exists), to having 2 votes?

-Cerb

Yay! Finally a push! I'm so proud of .

Confirming that you are correct; in the Genocide route, I'll be posting by myself, and my vote will be .5 - effectively worthless.

In Pacifist, both and I can speak, and we each have an individual vote. Right now, we're both working to get in sync before we make any hardpushes or vote changes, but I stand by my reads and observations in my previous posts.

But wait, to verify, what do you mean by can't be voted by a certain individual? Are you just referring to losing vote capabilities?

In post 3824, Dunnstral wrote:

In post 3821, Iconeum wrote:Dunstrall's first 8 posts are all NAI, not a single one talks about the game or the players. In 2269 he gives his first read on Maid Cafe town/Skybird unknown. Promises to take a look at these 2, never follows this up.

Next posts are all 3-4 word non-engaging posts like 2271, 2384 and 2453. This time could have been spent researching the MC/Skybird slots as promised but chooses to post that crap.

Next post that does anything is claiming unlynchable, which does nothing but distract. Never comments on reads, no votes, overall I'm not feeling any care for sorting.

VOTE: Dunstrall

There hasn't been a vote count after Skybirds vote on Dun, so let's see what happens. If we don't (or can't ) lynch him today, I want to see him lynched tomorrow.

How is any of that scum motivated rather than just lazy in this game?

Show what your motivations are, then. Where's your head at?

In post 3886, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 3870, Purple Heart wrote:

1)

Gamma

, you say you're being tunneled, but what did you do with

Iconeum

for D1? What's your read on him now?

2)

Thoughts on

Venmar

, or a general readslist?

3)

Also, your case on

MC

is that they have a guilty on you, but you tracked them and they took no night action? Correct?

Finally done with the ISO maps so far.
My vote still stands unless

Alisae

talks me into changing it.

~ Taly

1) I don't think I tunneled Iconeum? Either way, current read is "might be mafia but he's kinda low importance". My main reason for lynching him over anyone else was mostly "If he's mafia I see him having the charisma to fuck shit up".
2) I think Venmar's read on me is okay? It has felt weird but I don't see anything too bad with his meta argument he had. As for other reads I could totally see Dunn being scum with MC, but other than that I need to review for associations because that's the only person I would immediately say looks suspicious off a MC scum flip.
3) Yeah that's the majority of it. The other is the fact that no matter what happens to the things impacting their reads it never seems to change them. Reads as a scum agenda. If MC were to explain the guilty and how they got it I'd give them the pass on that one but the second point would still remain.

What do you think about ?

has done little to interact with anyone, I don't know how you made the association of him and ?

I want to hear respond to this.

In post 3880, Reasonably Rational wrote:So, we have confirmation that Dunnstral can't be voted for by at least one individual.

VOTE: Dunnstral

I should have probably done this before, just to have independent corroboration that Dunnstral truly can't be voted for. Possible they're not truly lynchproof, and the votes simply don't show up until they reach lynch or some other threshold. That would reduce the semi-counterclaim effect of having two slots that are lynchproof in Pacifist.

@Kiana: So you lost your vote when we went to Pacifist? And PH went from having half a vote(which is functionally no vote, unless another half vote exists), to having 2 votes?

-Cerb

Iconeum also voted for Dunnstral so with your vote there would be three votes if they showed up.

@Taly: Hold on, reserve your praise, that wasn't a push, that was a confirmation of the claim that Dunnstral made, that votes won't work on his slot today.

Skybird voted for him, but I just wanted my own confirmation, since I know my vote should be functioning.

Can someone please explain to me the obsession with Iconeum/Skybird? The two have been tied together in peoples reads since D1, but I don't believe anyone ever outlined *why*, and I haven't really seen it.

-Cerb

RR, I think it's because we were in the hood together on D1.

In post 3892, Skybird wrote:RR, I think it's because we were in the hood together on D1.

Even before people knew about that, they were still tying the two of you together. There must have been behavior reasons, not just "same hood" reasons.

Speaking of same hood reasons, that logic put forth by OTM still holds, that one of the two of you *should* be scum, given that SD flipped as town. Just based on the math, of course.

-Cerb

In post 3889, Purple Heart wrote:1) What do you think about Iconeum/Skybird?

2) Dunnstral has done little to interact with anyone, I don't know how you made the association of him and MC?

3) I want to hear MC respond to this.

Have they both been townreading each other the whole game? That will determine what I think of them.
I'm suspecting MC and Dunn lock-clearing each other with Dunnstral having barely done anything. People have been saying lurker!Dunn is his town meta, and I know that to be untrue.

In post 3894, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 3889, Purple Heart wrote:1) What do you think about Iconeum/Skybird?

2) Dunnstral has done little to interact with anyone, I don't know how you made the association of him and MC?

3) I want to hear MC respond to this.

Have they both been townreading each other the whole game? That will determine what I think of them.
I'm suspecting MC and Dunn lock-clearing each other with Dunnstral having barely done anything. People have been saying lurker!Dunn is his town meta, and I know that to be untrue.

Why don't you know the answer to your first question?

-Cerb

I thought it was a how do you read them question. If it's general thoughts it's "I don't know what to make of the fact no one has them in their spotlights at this point". I mean they were big talking points day 1 so them falling out of view makes me a little concerned.

Gamma, what I'm asking is why don't YOU know the state of the reads Icon and Skybird have for one another?

-Cerb

I know they both townread each other NOW, I'm asking if that's always been the case.

In post 3898, Gamma Emerald wrote:I know they both townread each other NOW, I'm asking if that's always been the case.

I know what you're asking.

What I'm questioning is how closely you've read the game, to be unaware of that, given that they were, as you said, a major point of conversation on D1. Did you never look into the two slots and their relationship on D1?

-Cerb