Large Normal 232—Sibyl's Elegy [GAME OVER]

Marky Mark · Post Post #3875 (ISO) » Fri May 07, 2021 8:32 am

I'm getting caught up and the nero push on andres looks pretty baseless. Andres played a major part in bringing T3 back into the limelight late D1 after previous T3 wagons have died off. If he is scum then he is deepwolfing hard, but he has literally just played a major part in bringing down a scum PR. The argument in particular that he wasn't on the wagon is v flimsy when he helped the wagon to be a thing in the first place.

Marky Mark · Post Post #3876 (ISO) » Fri May 07, 2021 8:35 am

In post 426, T3 wrote:Reads:
Hard town: Marky Mark, Rathe
Town: Nero Cain
Lean town: NDMath, WindowsXP, dcl, Anya, DeathNote
Null: Vasex, Kerset, samantha, STD, DGB, Dunnstral, Arte, Andres
Lean scum: Enchant, Cabd
Scum: KittyTacky, Etine

Most of my null reads are basically people who haven't donr anything.

This is worth coming back to in light of the flip. I know I'm town so from my POV I'd be willing to bet he'd have a partner as one of his TRs and Nero seems more likely than Rathe

DkKoba · Post Post #3877 (ISO) » Fri May 07, 2021 8:35 am

In post 3875, Marky Mark wrote:I'm getting caught up and the nero push on andres looks pretty baseless. Andres played a major part in bringing T3 back into the limelight late D1 after previous T3 wagons have died off. If he is scum then he is deepwolfing hard, but he has literally just played a major part in bringing down a scum PR. The argument in particular that he wasn't on the wagon is v flimsy when he helped the wagon to be a thing in the first place.

been saying this
lmao

Marky Mark · Post Post #3878 (ISO) » Fri May 07, 2021 8:37 am

VOTE: Vasex

This is still the smoking gun though. The defence of T3 D1 until the meomentum was too far gone against T3 and the reaching towards the end of D1 still comes from scum IMO.

--pedit Good to be on the same page

Cabd · Post Post #3879 (ISO) » Fri May 07, 2021 8:49 am

In post 3877, DkKoba wrote:
In post 3875, Marky Mark wrote:I'm getting caught up and the nero push on andres looks pretty baseless. Andres played a major part in bringing T3 back into the limelight late D1 after previous T3 wagons have died off. If he is scum then he is deepwolfing hard, but he has literally just played a major part in bringing down a scum PR. The argument in particular that he wasn't on the wagon is v flimsy when he helped the wagon to be a thing in the first place.
been saying this
lmao

Am I still not allowed to town read you yet even though we're essentially concurring with each other's takes~?

Enchant · Post Post #3880 (ISO) » Fri May 07, 2021 8:54 am

In post 3857, Kerset wrote:
In post 3849, Enchant wrote:154.

What i miss?
We are trying to someone, who townreads STD. No progress so far.

Well, STD is person who really realised my "slip" was just joke, along with some others. Mafia probably would just ignore/push me further, there's no practical benefit to save me from chop chop, unless hoping for my idiocy later (like really, i barely look at game, why pocket me).

You blaming him for unvoting his main suspect Cabd. There's problem, all people could do that and he had reason to do that. I say, townie even more likely contradict self. Mafia mostly read what they write you know.
Would they both being mafia who lightbus each other for town points is different question on which i can't answer without flipping them, but i still consider Cabd more likely townie than mafia

Looking from other way.
History mostly says most people protected me-town was "Devil Advocate" mafia, because i always end up lynched, flipping town and then they get points for white knighting.

There's possible reason in fearing going to chopchop block after Cabd, if he is town of course. Mafia always need solid reason, so when asked they could make lynched townie look like idiot who deserved it. Maybe STD reasons to think Cabd is mafia is somewhat weak and he wanted to "talk" with Cabd more for looking like person who trying to solve, not just kill everything.

... Honestly after thoughs i don't know for sure if he is mafia. Is there's also others reason to think he is one?

Anastasia · Post Post #3881 (ISO) » Fri May 07, 2021 10:01 am

In post 3871, Marky Mark wrote:Gut feels prior to reading up properly are that Vasex/Ana may well both be scum.

That is an interesting take

Anastasia · Post Post #3882 (ISO) » Fri May 07, 2021 10:03 am

In post 3870, Save The Dragons wrote:Ana, why is your vote on me?

In post 3151, Anastasia wrote:Kerset has won my heart and I will be helping him with whatever he needs

Save The Dragons · Post Post #3883 (ISO) » Fri May 07, 2021 10:05 am

maybe i'm disappointed others got to dance with you but now that it's my turn the lights are out and everyone's gone home

Anastasia · Post Post #3884 (ISO) » Fri May 07, 2021 10:09 am

that is a shame - I was unaware you felt that way

maybe in a next life?

I am easy to impress..

Save The Dragons · Post Post #3885 (ISO) » Fri May 07, 2021 10:12 am

In post 3758, Save The Dragons wrote:that's not candy!

i'm sorry, what did you do to throw your team's investigative down a pit to save yourself? honest question - i was sick for the end of the day yesterday

you didn't answer this cabd i still fail to see what you did to hurt T3. you put him in your "do not touch for today" reads. other than you didn't roll over and die when wagoned (because why would you) i don't see how you affected things. again if i missed it feel free to point it out.

Marky Mark · Post Post #3886 (ISO) » Fri May 07, 2021 10:29 am

So I feel a bit silly, but I went back to look at Ana's ISO to see how they went from TRing T3 to voting them. Turns out it was Anya who voted T3 8/11 not Ana.

Marky Mark · Post Post #3887 (ISO) » Fri May 07, 2021 10:30 am

I did think it was a bit weird that they went from TRing a slot to jumping on their wagon at day end

Vasex · Post Post #3888 (ISO) » Fri May 07, 2021 10:32 am

Mark, why did i save cabd from e-1 if i am mafia with ana and nero? Maybe he is the 4th one?)

Nero is a solid town. I dont know about ana/cabd for sure.

Andre was faking his push on t3. When he saw the opportunity to elim me instead of t3, he stopped pushing, and when after me t3 started to collect votes for serious mistake, andre dissapeared for days. His voice is not on t3. Because t3 is his partner. Andre was pushing townie nero then. Andre is scum.

Marky Mark · Post Post #3889 (ISO) » Fri May 07, 2021 10:36 am

Vasex are you having a laugh mate. Andre literally brought back the idea of a T3 wagon after it had pretty much died. Yeah, he then went on to vote you (also probably scum IMO) when there didn't seem to be much desire for a T3 wagon at the time, but that's just being pragmatic at day-end

Marky Mark · Post Post #3890 (ISO) » Fri May 07, 2021 10:42 am

As for Cabd, I thought that you thought that Cabd had been hammered after the Enchant fake hammer and the unvote was in response to that. At any rate, I find your point that you voted for cabd and loudly asked for his elim as a means to PREVENT his elim by reverse psychology to be dubious at best

Vasex · Post Post #3891 (ISO) » Fri May 07, 2021 10:43 am

Mark, why Dkkoba is town?

Marky Mark · Post Post #3892 (ISO) » Fri May 07, 2021 10:54 am

I haven't recently TRed them??!? Their play has generally been towny in terms of tone and their logic checking out, except for their late post d1 ref not voting T3 out of principle, which has been well discussed. Overall null given the late defence of T3.

Vasex · Post Post #3893 (ISO) » Fri May 07, 2021 11:12 am

So you are going to push nero today instead of std. You won't succeed in that, you have no enough people. U need smth more serious, or easier target.

Vasex · Post Post #3894 (ISO) » Fri May 07, 2021 11:16 am

The case against me has no chances today.

Maybe you have some chances with Ana elimination, if you try to push the idea that she was the main enemy of Anya, and now Anya is dead.

Vasex · Post Post #3895 (ISO) » Fri May 07, 2021 11:26 am

Anastasia, btw, why did you believe that both cops are townies?
Was it a joke or what? Can you explain?

samantha97 · Post Post #3896 (ISO) » Fri May 07, 2021 11:27 am

In post 3892, Marky Mark wrote:Their play has generally been towny in terms of tone and their logic checking out, except for their late post d1 ref not voting T3 out of principle

wat

their end of day posts weren't even that bad, it was how squirrely they were before that

can you point to logic that resonated with you? cause in addition to my small text wall about them... (https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12743961, https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12743995)

I didn't even mention when they supposedly didn't read enchant's post about T3 & n3/n4 cop here, despite voting for enchant directly after he said that...
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12738942

Marky Mark · Post Post #3897 (ISO) » Fri May 07, 2021 11:30 am

Well thanks for telling me how I'm allowed to vote Vasex. I'll be sure to make a note of that and then move on with my life.

Marky Mark · Post Post #3898 (ISO) » Fri May 07, 2021 11:32 am

Ref XP it was just their general posting style content rather than any specific gold-plated posts. It feels very different to where they were scum in Bending, although I realise they are good enough to change their scum style up.

Vasex · Post Post #3899 (ISO) » Fri May 07, 2021 11:41 am

Mark is strange. He kinda doesnt think about game at all. He does see that i was counting the votes for cabd, then he kinda thinks that i was mistaked by "hammer", lol. He thinks that i (ok, my team) elimed Anya, but i was the towniest person for her in game. Why he doesnt think at all? Bad play. The only explanation, because I have no room for him among scums. He doesnt know how to find scummies, just random pushing with no serious clues