Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

Malakittens · Post Post #3900 (ISO) » Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:03 pm

One off and the rest was on it.

zMuffinMan · Post Post #3901 (ISO) » Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:23 pm

i agree. but all of the people off the wagon except you are among my strongest town reads.

so i'm trying to sort this out right now.

zMuffinMan · Post Post #3902 (ISO) » Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:31 pm

you asked why i think ghostlin is town. i have no one specific reason. i've liked a majority of his posts, and they pretty much all have a town tone. if he's scum, then he's playing really well, atm, but i'm not going to start doubting my town read on him without a good reason to.

you seem to think ghostlin is "fucktunneling" and "misrepping" you, and even if that were true, this doesn't make me think he's scum.

assume ghostlin is town, who would be your pick for scum off the wagon?

Mac · Post Post #3903 (ISO) » Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:19 pm

In post 3898, Malakittens wrote:This is why Mastin is town.

Read this ISO from this game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=26140

it's very similar to how Mastin is acting here. He's town. There is no room for error.

@Mac:

I got a question for you.

Was your neighborize a day time or night time action? Which phrase # did you do it?

day time. during day two.

Andrius · Post Post #3904 (ISO) » Thu Sep 12, 2013 10:33 pm

Its looking awfully grim for me not wanting to lynch my 'family'.

zMuffinMan · Post Post #3905 (ISO) » Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:04 pm

oh. looking at mastin's reads, yeah i'm 99% sure he picked up on something i picked up on yesterday and this makes him town.

if he swapped andrius and aj he'd have basically my current reads list with some of the ordered switched a bit.

Mac · Post Post #3906 (ISO) » Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:17 pm

In post 3905, zMuffinMan wrote:oh. looking at mastin's reads, yeah i'm 99% sure he picked up on something i picked up on yesterday and this makes him town.

kinda thinking the same i think. not sold yet though

zMuffinMan · Post Post #3907 (ISO) » Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:39 pm

are you a 1-shot neighbouriser?

Mac · Post Post #3908 (ISO) » Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:42 pm

i am.

Faster Than Light · Post Post #3909 (ISO) » Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:31 am

oh did mac claim? well why do you need to claim?

BROseidon · Post Post #3910 (ISO) » Fri Sep 13, 2013 3:29 am

Unless Ghost is able to magically change his entire attitude when he posts as scum, this is town Ghost.

TiphaineDeath · Post Post #3911 (ISO) » Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:05 am

mastin is town, period.

Aj The Epic · Post Post #3912 (ISO) » Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:37 am

Why are we having this discussion about Mastin?

mastin2 · Post Post #3913 (ISO) » Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:55 am

In post 3899, zMuffinMan wrote:how many scum do you think were on/off the nick wagon yesterday?

[10] nickthename (Nachomamma8, BROseidon, Aj The Epic, Trust Fund, Desperado)
[4] Malakittens (Ghostlin, nickthename, mastin2, zMuffinMan)
[2] BROseidon (Malakittens, Venmar)
[1] Mac (TiphaineDeath)
[1] Andrius (Andrius)

Removing the conftown/solid townreads, you get half the wagon remaining. Nick was a scum-driven wagon.

Now all the names on there can't be scum. Heck, I wouldn't put money on it being more than 3. But it was scum-driven for sure.
Aj's someone I can't figure out for certain, and is nullish/town. Trust Fund is someone who I've had as town. Leaving {Nacho, BRO, Desperado}.

Oh, and by the way. This raises the question--if nick was a scum-driven wagon, why did they drive the nick wagon so hard?

The obvious answer, here, is that Malakittens (the counterwagon to nick) is scum. So, you want new evidence, here it is. (And by the way--the only name on Malakittens I don't consider conftown is Muffin, who is still obvtown, sooooo...town-driven wagon that failed to go through, versus scum-driven wagon that DID go through.

mastin2 · Post Post #3914 (ISO) » Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:03 am

And by the way--while Andrius is still technically a null, I am going to go out on a limb and say he's town. In particular,

In post 3900, Malakittens wrote:One off and the rest was on it.

I don't think Malakittens is lying, here. I think she, as scum, is telling the truth. Yeah! Could be misleading. But I don't think it is. The nick wagon

looks

scum-driven, and I

would

expect most of the scum to be on, and on top of that, there aren't many names off the nick wagon who even CAN be scum, sooooooo, I fully believe her statement.

Just that it's her that's the scum.

Malakittens · Post Post #3915 (ISO) » Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:53 am

... Sigh Mastin. Let's ignore me asking you to stop death tunneling me. I'm not scum. This is really getting old and annoying. It's these type of things in games that make me want to stop playing.

@AJ:

Desperado believes Mastin is scum, but it's not true. Why we are having the Mastin discussion.

@BRO:

Can you link me the Ghostlin game you are describing the attitude please? I want to see for myself.

@Muffin:

I think it's Ghostlin off the wagon. You can't ask me to answer something and make me eliminate a choice. I have slight townreads or townreads on most people off the wagon.

Also someone said TD is conf-town, how is that? I can understand TF, but not TD. I have a town read on TD, but I'm not going to sit here and call him conf-town though.

Malakittens · Post Post #3916 (ISO) » Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:54 am

In post 3903, Mac wrote:
In post 3898, Malakittens wrote:This is why Mastin is town.

Read this ISO from this game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=26140

it's very similar to how Mastin is acting here. He's town. There is no room for error.

@Mac:

I got a question for you.

Was your neighborize a day time or night time action? Which phrase # did you do it?
day time. during day two.

Okay good.

mastin2 · Post Post #3917 (ISO) » Fri Sep 13, 2013 11:16 am

In post 3915, Malakittens wrote:... Sigh Mastin. Let's ignore me asking you to stop death tunneling me. I'm not scum. This is really getting old and annoying. It's these type of things in games that make me want to stop playing.

Also someone said TD is conf-town, how is that? I can understand TF, but not TD. I have a town read on TD, but I'm not going to sit here and call him conf-town though.

Problem is, Mala, there's literally nobody else off the nick wagon who can realistically be scum. This isn't a death-tunnel. This is pure. simple. logic and POE.
I'm not scum, Ghostlin isn't scum, nick flipped town, Venmar is town, TiphaineDeath is town. That leaves you, Muffin, and Andrius. Muffin's a decently-solid townread of mine, and I'm beginning to come around finally to Andrius being town as well. There's really nobody it can be other than you. (Heck, the Rach wagon's similar. I fully believe most of the scum bussed her.)

And your pushing of TD not being conftown yet having TD as a townread is even more evidence against you.

Simply put, I feel the game's been put into a lockdown and all we have to figure out is the remaining three scum who're on the nick wagon among the five names I listed. (Nacho obviously being one of them. Leaning towards Desp being another. But {BRO, Aj, Trust Fund}, I'm not as convinced on.) I legitimately feel like this could be (aside from the nick lynch as a necessary sacrifice to expose the scum) a perfect town win if we can fully sort this out.

BROseidon · Post Post #3918 (ISO) » Fri Sep 13, 2013 12:00 pm

In post 3915, Malakittens wrote:Also someone said TD is conf-town, how is that?

No.

Also, my game with Ghost-scum:

Here

He's a lot more waffley and a lot less abrasive in how he interacts with everyone.

Malakittens · Post Post #3919 (ISO) » Fri Sep 13, 2013 12:48 pm

In post 3897, Venmar wrote:so little time to post

just going drop this here: TD and Mac are confirmed town atm

Malakittens · Post Post #3920 (ISO) » Fri Sep 13, 2013 12:51 pm

In post 3917, mastin2 wrote:
In post 3915, Malakittens wrote:... Sigh Mastin. Let's ignore me asking you to stop death tunneling me. I'm not scum. This is really getting old and annoying. It's these type of things in games that make me want to stop playing.

Also someone said TD is conf-town, how is that? I can understand TF, but not TD. I have a town read on TD, but I'm not going to sit here and call him conf-town though.
Problem is, Mala, there's literally nobody else off the nick wagon who can realistically be scum. This isn't a death-tunnel. This is pure. simple. logic and POE.
I'm not scum, Ghostlin isn't scum, nick flipped town, Venmar is town, TiphaineDeath is town. That leaves you, Muffin, and Andrius. Muffin's a decently-solid townread of mine, and I'm beginning to come around finally to Andrius being town as well. There's really nobody it can be other than you. (Heck, the Rach wagon's similar. I fully believe most of the scum bussed her.)

And your pushing of TD not being conftown yet having TD as a townread is even more evidence against you.

Simply put, I feel the game's been put into a lockdown and all we have to figure out is the remaining three scum who're on the nick wagon among the five names I listed. (Nacho obviously being one of them. Leaning towards Desp being another. But {BRO, Aj, Trust Fund}, I'm not as convinced on.) I legitimately feel like this could be (aside from the nick lynch as a necessary sacrifice to expose the scum) a perfect town win if we can fully sort this out.

How is asking why someone is conf-town in someone's eyes "me trying to push TD not being conftown"? I asked a question why. I think he's town, but I'm not going to call him conftown without some type of results. I don't see how it's any evidence against me.

It's okay when I flip town it's going to look horribly bad for you. You are trying too and keep trying to push a lynch off of PoE among other things.

BROseidon · Post Post #3921 (ISO) » Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:13 pm

My "no" was me saying "no I'm not going to succumb to your digging." Not "I don't think it's true."

Ghostlin · Post Post #3922 (ISO) » Fri Sep 13, 2013 3:48 pm

Alright kids. It's time to list off the things I am and am not worried about:

Things I'm not worried about:

*The following people's alignments: Mastin, FTL, Muff, Andy, and Venmar. These people are town. If Venmar's Town, that makes Mac and TD town. I'm feeling much better with Andy after his frustration, and Andy, I can only fucking pinky swear and promise that it'll all make sense, along with my faith in Mastin's alignment someday soon.
*You guys lynching me. If by some miracle, the people fucking pushing me got to L-1, I'm that confident I got the towniest role that ever towned and if you guys lynched me after claim, we deserve to fucking lose.
*That Mala -isn't- scum. Seriously, whining that PoE is being fucking used when it can be one of town's greatest tools and that Mastin has anything to fear about getting lynched is fucking hilarious. I have similar feels about Desp. Anyone still pushing Mastin re: Mac isn't paying attention to this game and should read it again. Twice.

Things I am worried about:

*That BROsideon's reading me correctly and Nacho isn't. Paired with the fact that Nacho isn't reading Mastin correctly worries me all the fuck more.
*Bulletpoint one and replace BRO with Andrius.
*Nacho being scum. That would fucking suck.
*The fact that I really have no other place to go after Kittens and Desp, which is why I'm doubling down on them.
*Not being NKed yet.

Ghostlin · Post Post #3923 (ISO) » Fri Sep 13, 2013 3:49 pm

In post 3912, Aj The Epic wrote:Why are we having this discussion about Mastin?

Because some people are apparently confused after Mastin's jump on Mac and the jump off of Mac. To the point of naked opportunism and not paying attention.

Ghostlin · Post Post #3924 (ISO) » Fri Sep 13, 2013 3:51 pm

In post 3920, Malakittens wrote:
In post 3917, mastin2 wrote:
In post 3915, Malakittens wrote:... Sigh Mastin. Let's ignore me asking you to stop death tunneling me. I'm not scum. This is really getting old and annoying. It's these type of things in games that make me want to stop playing.

Also someone said TD is conf-town, how is that? I can understand TF, but not TD. I have a town read on TD, but I'm not going to sit here and call him conf-town though.
Problem is, Mala, there's literally nobody else off the nick wagon who can realistically be scum. This isn't a death-tunnel. This is pure. simple. logic and POE.
I'm not scum, Ghostlin isn't scum, nick flipped town, Venmar is town, TiphaineDeath is town. That leaves you, Muffin, and Andrius. Muffin's a decently-solid townread of mine, and I'm beginning to come around finally to Andrius being town as well. There's really nobody it can be other than you. (Heck, the Rach wagon's similar. I fully believe most of the scum bussed her.)

And your pushing of TD not being conftown yet having TD as a townread is even more evidence against you.

Simply put, I feel the game's been put into a lockdown and all we have to figure out is the remaining three scum who're on the nick wagon among the five names I listed. (Nacho obviously being one of them. Leaning towards Desp being another. But {BRO, Aj, Trust Fund}, I'm not as convinced on.) I legitimately feel like this could be (aside from the nick lynch as a necessary sacrifice to expose the scum) a perfect town win if we can fully sort this out.

How is asking why someone is conf-town in someone's eyes "me trying to push TD not being conftown"? I asked a question why. I think he's town, but I'm not going to call him conftown without some type of results. I don't see how it's any evidence against me.

It's okay when I flip town it's going to look horribly bad for you. You are trying too and keep trying to push a lynch off of PoE among other things.

Ooooh. A "This Won't End Well For You" Threat. Paired with the fact that you just finished saying Mastin was fucking Town, why would you want this to end poorly for him?

Oh, right. You're scum.