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In post 3851, Benmage wrote:

In post 3848, SafetyDance wrote:Benmage to stop popping up to just post sense occasionally instead of active lurking would help too!

Am I missing something important to weigh in on?

Apart from your own reads, top scumspects, general state of play? No, not at all...

In post 3890, PrideandJoy wrote:tbh it's surprising that scum would RB quadz and not the claimed JOAT.

So you're claiming Role Cop?

In post 3847, SafetyDance wrote:Syryana has been a scumread of mine since Day 1, I don't believe there was anything in his Day 1 posts that screamed town, so I am happy to vote there if Titus isn't a thing. Katsuki has done nothing to help StupendousMan slot and even Amished it, so would be happy there too.

Let's go.

101 is now in sesion.

1) I say cops as a generic for all investigative roles. My role pm says cops. I suppose that's how the host meant it.

2) No. I am not suggesting people are incapable of using Google. Hence why I tried to bury my activation and not call attention to it. However all is not lost as there still is special formatting jnvolved. Your attempt to sabotage my attempts to confirm cops is just all around anti-town.

You have also implied that it is valuable to be stuck in ghe ground (may come up with oil), so I am fine right here.

This guy is going to insist on being a dick. He is saying his own play to lynch me is bad. He also says I am an unreliable narrator and votes me while complaining I am inconsistent from my scum games. Just wow.

Of course, this guy has to vote Alchemist rather than me. He is trying to get cops to out and votes with the guy he is complaining gives no content. Ugh.

SD changed his vote as I was writing that post.

Day 4, Vc 26

The Alchemist (4) -

Benmage, Cephrir, Titus, SafetyDance

Titus (1) -

elleheathen

SafetyDance (3) -

AGar, ooba, Garruk Relentless

quadz08 (2) -

Shadoweh, kanyesknowsbest

Tierce (1) -

Katsuki

Garruk Relentless (1) -

Messiah Complex

No lynch (1) -

PrideandJoy

AGar (1) -

Nautilius

PrideandJoy (1) -

Goat on a Raft

Messiah Complex (1)-

Goat on a Raft

Not voting (5)

- Alfred Borden, Tammy, Tierce, quadz08, The Alchemist

With 20 alive it takes 11 votes to lynch

• Deadline Date: 10th of November at 17:00 EDT
  
• Deadline Countdown: (expired on 2013-11-10 17:00:00)
  
• Garruk is V/la. Your mod is V/la again. elleheathen is V/la

Prodding Katsuki

In post 3900, SafetyDance wrote:

In post 3851, Benmage wrote:

In post 3848, SafetyDance wrote:Benmage to stop popping up to just post sense occasionally instead of active lurking would help too!

Am I missing something important to weigh in on?

Apart from your own reads, top scumspects, general state of play? No, not at all...

Seems as if I have all those covered... SO cheah, glad you're sheeping me.

Pedit: counting 1, 2, 3,

In post 3843, quadz08 wrote:

In post 3840, AGar wrote:Ok so I didn't block quadz.

REALLY didn't think I had to come out and actually say that because earlier, but I did not block quadz.

SD's claim has been very fucked (Naut isn't a ninja/ninjas avoid detection/I totally blocked Naut N2, tracked quadz N3), and SD's claim today of his results was almost as if he slipped with a block result ("quadz did not visit Tierce, or anyone for that matter.")

Let's not start down the trail of "scum RB blocked quadz" unless you're willing to string up SD, because that's really just not plausible. Be real.

SD should be dead by now.

I don't have any idea what to make of this post. If you don't think it's plausible that I was roleblocked by scum, then why aren't you voting me, since no town player has claimed to have roleblocked me?

Because I think SD is scum?

I'm currently running on 2 shitty hours of sleep I got in the driver's seat of my car at a rest stop this morning for the past 48 hours or so (wheee casinos for a friends birthday). I work 12+ hours tomorrow. Once I'm fully recharged on Sunday and have my head on straight and don't need a constant flow of caffeine to function, I'll be in this thread and actually producing something worthwhile.

In post 3901, Titus wrote: 2) No. I am not suggesting people are incapable of using Google. Hence why I tried to bury my activation and not call attention to it. However all is not lost as there still is special formatting jnvolved. Your attempt to sabotage my attempts to confirm cops is just all around anti-town.

You have also implied that it is valuable to be stuck in ghe ground (may come up with oil), so I am fine right here.

This guy is going to insist on being a dick. He is saying his own play to lynch me is bad. He also says I am an unreliable narrator and votes me while complaining I am inconsistent from my scum games. Just wow.

Of course, this guy has to vote Alchemist rather than me. He is trying to get cops to out and votes with the guy he is complaining gives no content. Ugh.

You know where you can stick your sabotage. Not everyone is as stupid and ignorant (ignorant, as in head stuck in the ground - it's a common idiom) as you are and trying to treat them as such? Loooooool. You're actually going to pretend people who like ASOIAF in an ASIOAF mafia game are not going to know ASIOAF related info? That's the line you're actually trying to push?

You're not giving any worthwhile content. You replaced in to a predecessor I still thought was scummy despite being a counter wagon to scum, flopped about, gave the worse VCA I have ever seen, complained about having to read the thread, asked stupid questions you could find out in two clicks, acting ignorant and dumb and are surviving today solely based on a claim? Of course I still think you are scum, and no, I was not still pushing for you to be lynched today when everyone had agreed to let you live AFTER YOU STATED YOUR PHRASE. Learn to read and you'd find that out.

But yes, I did give you far too much credit from the last game I saw you in. Sorry for the high expectations on your ability. I shall lower said expectations considerably to a height you should be pleased with.

In post 3904, Benmage wrote: Seems as if I have all those covered... SO cheah, glad you're sheeping me.

Pedit:

Mod

counting 1, 2, 3,

4

Do you, should be easy to quote them then. 1861 beats 2645 so you're the one sheeping. Who would you be on if not TA? Why?

hmm...

In post 3853, The Alchemist wrote:Hmm.

UNVOTE:

Tammy, what are you thinking at the moment?

I don't know. I need to think about a few things, but I think SD is town now.

In post 3841, Tierce wrote:

In post 3837, AGar wrote:

In post 3816, Tierce wrote:Okay, who is this "himself" that SafetyDance should have seen quadz visiting? Because quadz would never be seen visiting quadz if he was roleblocked by anyone.

Tammy is saying if SD tracked quadz, SD would've seen quadz go to SD.

Yeah, I got that now, that's why I wanted to check the meaning of 'himself'. Kind of puzzled why Tammy initially discounted the possibility of a scum blocker.

Have you ever played with me?

Oh hey quadz - if you live, investigate me tonight.

(Yes, I know Titus is rbing but just in case something happens with that, just investigate me.)

I need to read back through some things, get back to this in a bit.

In post 3779, ooba wrote:- Mislynch SD today

Is there a reason we're going to do this? In fear that quadz is actually town?
Because that's a bad reason to do that; mislynching quadz the cop in this situation now that SD has become completely fucking town is something that we can handle.

In post 3784, Cephrir wrote:

In post 3781, Benmage wrote:

In post 3769, kanyeknowsbest wrote:personally i feel very :I abt the whole situ.

Ya, this days looking gloom.

Still time to lynch alchemist. Think I could pull off two deadline PL?? *disclaimer* (not gonna happen... sooo lethargic)

This is probably the one thing I would accept over lynching in the 1v1 today.

Cephrir, no. Alchemist is town.
Please trust me on this one.

In post 3785, PrideandJoy wrote:so what's the argument against no-lynching today so Quadz has one chance to prove his cop claim and at the same time Titus gets to prove his whacked ability.

I'd like to hear it.

Both claims are likely true regardless of alignment, so no lynching doesn't make any sort of progress and instead just leaves us feeling like idiots.

In post 3789, Cephrir wrote:

In post 3785, PrideandJoy wrote:so what's the argument against no-lynching today so Quadz has one chance to prove his cop claim and at the same time Titus gets to prove his whacked ability.

I'd like to hear it.

I'd sooner lynch you than nolynch. Just because we get a free lynch probably, doesn't mean we don't have to use it. I guess there isn't any *harm* n letting SD and quadz continue existing, but I feel like letting these sorts of things continue existing always turns out badly.

Fine.

VOTE: Alchemist

Then let's not let this thing fester. My reads on the two of them are good enough; let's do this shit.

In post 3795, quadz08 wrote:post something useful

also coinfirm that you didn't rb me last night kthx

Why do you care? They are town.'

In post 3798, Katsuki wrote:Going to note that from skimming here and there, I dislike both SD and quadz posting and would be fine with seeing either of them dead.

Though, I'm disliking a lot of posting so who knows how accurate that is.

Katsuki, kill quadz with me.

In post 3809, Tammy wrote:I wasn't considering the possibility of there being a third party to the situation blocking quadz when I said he should have been tracked to himself. I was only considering it in the context of what SD had claimed to do.

Also, bordempire - Aeron Greyjoy is a priest. I don't have much time right now, but him being a cop is something I'm worried about flavorwise because at first glance it doesn't make sense to me. But it's something I want to look back at and think about.

Kill quadz.

In post 3819, Titus wrote:

In post 3818, kanyeknowsbest wrote:can we just kill quadz

If he fails to have knowledge of my flavorname, we kill him with fire tomorrow. He can be verified and so can I.

I googled the bolded quote and found your flavor name: Victarion Greyjoy.
It's not a good method of confirming someone, sorry for breaking up the party.

In post 3824, quadz08 wrote:It is possible that a non-SD scum RB could have targeted me last night, I suppose, and SD actually

did

track me to nowhere.

Hrm.

UNVOTE:

^^disgusting, slimy, bad
he created the 1v1 when he was run up to L-1 when he pretty much had a extremely strong reason for calling SD caught scum when his claim became clear. Now that people are talking like there isn't scum in the two of them, quadz backs off and starts going "oh, well, I do suppose we both could be town!"

In post 3836, Tierce wrote:

In post 3829, Benmage wrote:Yes Tierce today is all bad.

Question.

Is this an accusation aimed at me or commiserating with me that even someone who is barely reading the game seems to have a better grasp of it than most?

Because if it's the former, I challenge you to have a wedding involving assorted friends from out of state and keep pouring your full attention into the game. That V/LA banner is there for a reason and I'll be back tomorrow.

And when you come back tomorrow, put some faith in me and kanye and the third person on the wagon and vote the fuck out of quadz.

In post 3873, ooba wrote:

In post 3859, kanyeknowsbest wrote:Quadz Must Die

Lynch Dance with me today - I promise we can get Quadz tomorrow.

Quadz can be let off for another day since
- Titus has a way to verify ability (or) Quadz can verify Titus
- He's claimed cop - who's claimed RB on N3 and that it's remarkably coincidental that SD tracked him that night (and there was what happened today). I actually like Quadz for two reasons after the claim
-- He's not being harping on the "we both can be town" like SD is as much; I would expect scum who's lynch has been aborted to push that line a bit more
-- He could have just claimed cop without putting himself in a weak 1vs1 with Quadz
So let's do it this way.

-Ability verification means nothing when abilities have nothing to do with alignment.
-I think quadz expected SD to get lynched after he claimed and then quadz was gonna go down afterwards. But then after he DID claim, other people started supplying the "they could both be town" reasoning and quadz embraced the hell out of that. That was scummy.
-He could have not put himself in the weak 1v1, but there's no guarantee he would have been saved.

In post 3890, PrideandJoy wrote:tbh it's surprising that scum would RB quadz and not the claimed JOAT.

it certainly is

i wish everyone woudl just vote quatdz

I'm leaning that way, just want to think about some things. (which i will do while unpacking, cuz fun!)

Do you know what it takes for SafetyDance to be scum? It requires him TRACKING ME NIGHT 2 and then being like "oh, actually I blocked him". What motivation does he have to do this as scum? Does he think that this makes him townier? How would he know that I wasn't a ninja? Etc. It also requires him BLOCKING quadz and claiming that he tracked him. What motivation does he have to not out his true claim? I was townier than quadz Day 2 and made more sense as a scum block anyways, why claim it?

I also don't understand why it took quadz getting wagonned to shit in order to claim that he was blocked when SD claimed to have tracked him. I think he was capitalizing on SD being a prickly fuck most of the time and people's dislike of how he claimed in order to bring forward a reason why SD could be scum in order to save himself. If I was town and I was in quadz's shoes, I would immediately respond with "fuck no you didn't track me N3 because scum role blocked me"; he tried to use that as retroactive reasoning for why he was pushing SD, but quadz was focusing on the claim mixup which was pretty much everyone else's problem with it. There's also no reason not to out earlier; he certainly didn't have to claim macho cop in order to get that bit out.

Now, as to the possibility of there being a scum blocker who blocked quads D3: slim. Slim as fuck. We have role blockers in Titus, elleheathen, and SD; the chances of a mysterious fourth scum blocker are a bit slim, for one. Secondly... the target makes no fucking sense for a scum blocker. quads didn't telegraph his innocents at all (aka he hid them so fucking much they're suspicious), so it's not because he was obv cop. It also would be a hell of a coincidence, and I haven't seen anyone else claim blocked.

And, if you look at it in terms of a 1v1, who has had the most chances to get out of it? SafetyDance. If he blocked quadz and tracked me, he could have had literally a hundred chances to go "oh, fuck, I actually blocked quads", which would prevent this entire 1v1 in the first place. But he maintains it even after quadz makes his claim, he maintains and taunts everyone about it constantly; I don't see scum pushing bullshit actions that he could claim honestly very very easily with so much conviction and so much passion. He isn't scum. Quadz is.

and kanye please help me speedlynch titus and agar after we lynch scum quadz

In post 3855, Alfred Borden wrote:Oh and I really want to know exactly how much Ellibereth has put into this game and where he’s been.

He made a post!
He hasn't put much into the game.

In post 3855, Alfred Borden wrote:I think as scum he’d have waited a bit longer to see where the town current was going rather than jump the gun. Overall, it’s hard for me to explain, but his entire approach reminds me of when I’m in a game with a player I hugely respect (tending to give the player more leeway due to reputation).

I would understand if he was giving a player leeway due to reputation. He wasn't. He was calling SpyreX town because he doesn't think that's how SpyreX would handle a quickhammer, and he was defending him pretty fucking strongly. I wouldn't be surprised if he was essentially offering his head for SpyreX's since SpyreX likely would have frolicked all over the place if he was given just one more day.

@Sdance check out my iso its all there.

In post 3914, Nautilius wrote: Still time to lynch alchemist. Think I could pull off two deadline PL?? *disclaimer* (not gonna happen... sooo lethargic)

This is probably the one thing I would accept over lynching in the 1v1 today.[/quote]
Cephrir, no. Alchemist is town.
Please trust me on this one.[/quote]
No, but I might be willing to lay off it for today.

I'm having trouble convincing myself it makes sense to lynch a cop without letting it get another investigation or two. There could be sort of a momentum issue, though, and we don't know how things will develop from here... it is true that SD continues to be exploding with townness. I just sort of hate him?

I guess I'm in "I'll vote whatever the prevailing wagon is to get a lynch" mode, assuming we're as close to deadline as peeps are saying.

I am not really sure what happened with those tags, and I don't care enough to fix them.

In post 3918, Nautilius wrote:and kanye please help me speedlynch titus and agar after we lynch scum quadz

okay

UNVOTE:
VOTE: quadz