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↑ Saki wrote:welp it's obviously Kai and Jordan for scum

I mean, c'mon, DGB is something like a mason afaik and I don't think mafia masons are a thing in bulbazak's games
esp a game not advertised as bastard

dgb what's your full role
did you actually roleblock SKOT or something because I'm pretty sure he shot me and his shot was supposed to go through

You're the other townie.

The other two are scum.

I'm just vanilla.

joh_61 linked himself to Necromaners (Anithero/mastin) because he had a town read of him. joh_61 became ika, Necro became me.

Ika really thought saki was scum. I had to convince him to vote PN, who was not scum as it turns out but merely useless game ballast.

Anyhoo jon_h61 was bleeding town in the neighbor PT, and as a very-late game replacement vanilla townie I've been trying to draw the NK. I pretended I had innocent results, I pretended to be a RB, I'm still alive? Not for lack of trying to draw the bullets.

I find it hard to believe that Kaiveran was "reading the game all along" as he claimed when it entered the game. I believe it caught up in a scum PT. Jordan is the SK.

So Saki, the two of us are Kingmakers. We decide if we want mafia to win, or the SK to win.

I'd say we make Jordan win because he's been working hard all game and the mafia is flaking in end game so that would teach them a lesson.

↑ Saki wrote:did you actually roleblock SKOT or something because I'm pretty sure he shot me and his shot was supposed to go through

Nope. Maybe the polarity was wrong?

This is bullshit.

The only person in Dark polarity right now is Saki. This is . Otherwise we would have a neutral field polarity, and we don't. Therefore only person who SKOT should have been able to kill was Saki.

You're telling me that SKOT does try to kill Saki after Rach is , she said that Saki was fakeclaiming? Of course he does. Of course.

Except he was roleblocked.

Just about the only way this makes sense is that SKOT was roleblocked last night. No way he would shoot anyone else after that last EOD.

p-edit:
troll
la
lol

I love how you're attacking me with "evidence" that can't possibly be verified.

I also love how you're supposedly town but are shitting on your wincon by soft-pushing the option that is rather than no-lynching and at least allowing a fighting chance.

Sorry, scum RB, not buying it.

Fuck. And I was certain DGB was scum. Sorry SKOT, I really should have sheeped you.

In other news, did anyone catch the saki scumclaim? Nope? Huh. I'll explain in a minute.

We locked Kai last night because of the Rach flip. We were sure that Saki was town. We thought DGB was the one who was more likely to shoot us, and were hoping that SKOT would survive. We thought vig in LYLO would be better than us. Kaiverian is scum because e's trying to convince us that town has already lost. We haven't. We have a psuedo doc effect in the polarities, which means we have a chance.

Now, to saki's scumclaim:

↑ Saki wrote:beats me

I was dark going into last night

Saki was "dark going into last night." which is all well and good until you realize that was yesterday's polarity. Saki is claiming to have been dark yesterday. Why is this a scumclaim? Yesterday we had two light aligned flips. That means we had two kills sent by players of the dark polarity. This wouldn't be a huge issue until you realize there can only have been two players of the dark polarity yesterday. One was ika. Saki just claimed to have been the other. Thus Saki just claimed to have shot two nights ago and hit ika.

DGB we can still win this. We play kingmaker for Kai, or we lock Kai's alignment and hope to god he can't shoot us tonight. We still have a chance. Don't throw the game here.

VOTE: Saki

↑ Jingle wrote:UNVOTE:

UNVOTE:

There's no way that Skot didn't shoot saki last night. That means that saki is light polarity. We don't know for sure Kai's polarity. We lynch Kai, then I lock Saki into light polarity and we both go light polarity. He won't be able to kill either of us.

Unless you're dark polarity, in which case we know every polarity right now and can lynch either of them.

Kaiveran is 100% scum no matter who the other scum/SK is.

VOTE: No Lynch

Oh man where to even start with Jordan's posts

↑ Jordan_Downey wrote:Fuck. And I was certain DGB was scum. Sorry SKOT, I really should have sheeped you.

In other news, did anyone catch the saki scumclaim?

"Oh yeah, fuck actual sound logic and reasoning, fuck the fact that from 3706 on we were either scumreading or dismissing SKOT only to conveniently waffle on that read in the possible MYLO last day (while still saying Saki-town, no less), let's sheep this overachiever in ignorance with the same magical Role PM fairy dust moonlogic that he was using in order to give other-scum a win (cause win conditions are overrated)"

Fucking rich.

↑ Jordan_Downey wrote:Kaiverian is scum because e's trying to convince us that town has already lost. We haven't. We have a psuedo doc effect in the polarities, which means we have a chance.

Wow. Really? Is that seriously the best, least transparent misrep you could possibly spin? Your scumgame really crumbles under pressure.

How in the living am I trying to convince anyone that town has lost? On the contrary, I'm trying to push a no-lynch on the premise that town lost and that we can maximize our chances of success by doing so.

Yes, I'm fully aware that we have a pseudo-doc effect through the polarity mechanic...and what I'm trying to get done with a no-lynch is to exploit that to the fullest. A no-lynch sends us into night with semi-protected townies buffering us from a scum win, instead of just one...one of which can possibly . It ain't fuckin' rocket surgery.

By your logic, if anyone here is scum, it's DGB, who has explicitly stated that town is fucked and we need to decide which scum wins. But of course, you don't want to draw her ire, do you? She can steal victory from you in one fell swoop tonight, no matter what happens!

↑ Jordan_Downey wrote:Now, to saki's scumclaim:

↑ Saki wrote:beats me

I was dark going into last night

Saki was "dark going into last night." which is all well and good until you realize that was yesterday's polarity. Saki is claiming to have been dark yesterday. Why is this a scumclaim? Yesterday we had two light aligned flips. That means we had two kills sent by players of the dark polarity. This wouldn't be a huge issue until you realize there can only have been two players of the dark polarity yesterday. One was ika. Saki just claimed to have been the other. Thus Saki just claimed to have shot two nights ago and hit ika.

This has to be the world's most concentrated collection of bullshit.

Just about the only thing that is right about this post is the assumption that there could only be two people in Dark coming into last Day. However, given that the tells us that Polarity switches take effect any other Night Actions, that Dark-aligned person could have been other than Saki. (Probably you.)

Yeah, we had two Light-aligned flips yesterday...one of which was a fucking . Are you trying to suggest that a lynch wagon needs to have proper polarity balance to get a successful lynch? Don't make me laugh.

↑ Jordan_Downey wrote:

↑ Jingle wrote:UNVOTE:

UNVOTE:

↑ Jordan_Downey wrote:There's no way that Skot didn't shoot saki last night. That means that saki is light polarity. We don't know for sure Kai's polarity. We lynch Kai, then I lock Saki into light polarity and we both go light polarity. He won't be able to kill either of us.

Unless you're dark polarity, in which case we know every polarity right now and can lynch either of them.

First off, you know for damn sure what my fucking polarity is because you locked me into one that I otherwise wasn't going to be in. This is a fact. And of course you'd be able to lock Saki into Light, but first you need to half-assedly justify it, using the theories of somebody you just called obvscum for reasons now proven to be false.

This whole thing reeks of you going "Oh shit, voting what is obviously a town PR that is crucial to a chance of town victory is scummy as fuck, but no big, I can just backpedal and vote Kai who is an easier target, and as a bonus I can buddy more with DGB because she's pushing em for the lynch as well! I'll kill two birds with one stone!"

Except you won't, because we're not total idiots. You're really desperate and obvious scum, and it's sad. Except not really because I want you dead.

↑ Jordan_Downey wrote:DGB we can still win this. We play kingmaker for Kai, or we lock Kai's alignment and hope to god he can't shoot us tonight. We still have a chance. Don't throw the game here.

What's the difference between lynching Saki or Kai, given that both are scum, then?

@ Kaiveran

Are you arguing with Jordan because you think he's scum?

Do I even need to respond to DGB? It should be apparent by now that pushing for anything other than a no-lynch is a scumclaim, and she's claimed it.

This post is pretty transparently trolling scum confident in their ability to secure the win today

Being in a neighborhood as she said by no means makes you conftown, if you can perform well enough to convince your partner, why terminate the relationship early? Especially if it can carry your ass to endgame on your town partner's flip, which it has.

That total flop on Saki directly above is terribad and counter-buddying Jordan to soften him up

I mean really.

p-edit: I'm arguing in order to ensure that Saki isn't convinced to throw the game by scum, obviously. Not like you would care.

No matter what your viewpoint on this is, you have to realize that even if we lynch scum today, the other scum is likely to get a free win. If we No Lynch, however, with both scum alive having to deal with each other, and you potentially tricking a scum into killing themselves, town has, again, an optimal chance of winning, even higher than in a normal game due to polarity mechanics.

Even if you think I am scum, my alignment hardly matters at this point. You vote No Lynch, and you will be ensuring as much as you possibly can that I am dealt with as scum, period. I pour all my heart and soul and being into convincing you, really, I would...but considering the situation we are in, it seems unreasonable. I know that I am not scum and thus I won't be shooting at you tonight, so I'm not sure what I have to fear from you...unless, of course, you decide to gamethrow by voting for a lynch. And I seriously doubt that you are going to do that.

↑ Bulbazak wrote:TiphaineDeath, Light Locked Mafia Goon, was night killed.
Ika, Town Polar Linker, was night killed. His polarity was Light at the time of his death.

2 light flips. Two dark aligned people. Not a hard leap to make to "everyone who was dark aligned has a NK." Saki claimed that he was dark aligned.

↑ DrippingGoofball wrote:

↑ Jordan_Downey wrote:DGB we can still win this. We play kingmaker for Kai, or we lock Kai's alignment and hope to god he can't shoot us tonight. We still have a chance. Don't throw the game here.

What's the difference between lynching Saki or Kai, given that both are scum, then?

If we know the alignment of one of them, I can lock that alignment and we can both switch to that alignment. A no lynch here is the only way that doesn't work, because I can't lock two scum. We know saki's alignment, thus saki is the one we should keep around.

Kai is arguing, because e knows if we follow my plan then he can't win.

Kai, if you are town, stop voting for a no lynch in possible lylo, thanks.

What is your argument for saki is town, Kai?

↑ Jordan_Downey wrote:

↑ Bulbazak wrote:TiphaineDeath, Light Locked Mafia Goon, was night killed.
Ika, Town Polar Linker, was night killed. His polarity was Light at the time of his death.

2 light flips. Two dark aligned people. Not a hard leap to make to "everyone who was dark aligned has a NK." Saki claimed that he was dark aligned.

Oh, I see now...

But I can't figure out how this is supposed to invalidate my logic. What if it's a mistake in wording? If it isn't, what's to stop scum!Saki from just coming in and claiming that it is? We'll get nowhere

No matter who the scum are (You/DGB or You/Saki, most likely) no lynching is the best possible option, because it leaves the possibility of both scum dying, which is an instant Town Win, or can make it so that one scum dies, which at least leaves the town in a position to reevaluate and win in regular LyLo next day. I don't get how anyone town can be opposed to this.

p-edit:

Jordan_Downey wrote:
If we know the alignment of one of them, I can lock that alignment and we can both switch to that alignment. A no lynch here is the only way that doesn't work, because I can't lock two scum. We know saki's alignment, thus saki is the one we should keep around.

Kai is arguing, because e knows if we follow my plan then he can't win.

Kai, if you are town, stop voting for a no lynch in possible lylo, thanks.

My problem with this is that you are most likely scum. If we lynch today and go with the plan of everybody going Light, there is absolutely nothing to stop scum!you from going Dark and killing the person of your choice, leading to a win for you or, worst case scenario, a draw with the other scum. Either way, town loses.

So, no.

p-edit 2: see first paragraph

I have a magic end game town/scum tell that has never, ever failed.

Using this voodoo, I have changed my mind.

I trust Jordan to be the other townie 100%.

Kaiveran on the other hand, is 100% scum, probably mafia, because he got his game summary from the mafia PT.

Which means that Saki is probably the SK. Could he be somewhat bulletproof?

Help me here Jordan, you're more on top of things than I am. What do we do?

Kai gets 10/10 for his acting

dgb
pls
no
I'm town
not jordan

don't listen to jordan
(I take everything back about Jordan being town by role b/c no way scum or sk would leave him to lylo)

↑ Jordan_Downey wrote:Saki was "dark going into last night." which is all well and good until you realize that was yesterday's polarity. Saki is claiming to have been dark yesterday.

↑ Bulbazak wrote:Each night, players may choose to switch their polarity, unless they are told otherwise. These changes will go into effect immediately.
Polarity changes and actions regarding polarities go into effect before all other actions.

I was Light yesterday, and I changed to Dark last night.

↑ Saki wrote:I've been alternating polarity throughout the game, starting with Light on D1, and I am Light now.

Just like I claimed here.

↑ Jordan_Downey wrote:Why is this a scumclaim? Yesterday we had two light aligned flips. That means we had two kills sent by players of the dark polarity. This wouldn't be a huge issue until you realize there can only have been two players of the dark polarity yesterday. One was ika. Saki just claimed to have been the other. Thus Saki just claimed to have shot two nights ago and hit ika.

I'm pretty god damned sure one of those 'light-aligned flips' was caused by a lynch.

↑ DrippingGoofball wrote:Could he be somewhat bulletproof?

Everything in this game is somewhat bulletproof.

↑ DrippingGoofball wrote:What do we do?

I got it.
I GOT IT.
We can go into tomorrow with 1:1:1.

We know a few things: Jordan is the SK, and he can lock polarities.
Kai is groupscum.
Kills don't go through if they're opposite polarities.
Right now the Field Polarity is Light. With 4 people, to get a Light field polarity, 3 or 4 people must be Light.
I'm Dark. So you, Kai, and Jordan are all Light.
Kai is light-locked.

We need to no lynch.

Jordan can do one of two things: A) switch to Dark and shoot Kai for the win or B) shoot blindly at you or me
If A), and Kai decides to shoot Jordan, Jordan and Kai cross-kill and we win.
And if Kai doesn't do that, well, then Jordan wins.

If B), and Kai decides to shoot Jordan, there's an absorbed kill on Jordan and both Jordan and Kai live through the night and it's 4:1:1 or 3:1:1
but here's the thing: if Kai also decides to shoot a townie for a scum-SK draw, then the kill Kai sends can only be Light.








So, if we no lynch, and change both our polarities to light (in your case, don't change), and Jordan doesn't change his polarity to Dark, then he can't kill anyone (neither can Kai) and both of us live to tomorrow with no successful kill.

If Jordan changes his polarity to Dark and shoots one of us, then Jordan is Dark and Kai is Light going into a 1:1:1 scenario where both of them know each other's polarity and the remaining townie can (hopefully) convince them to cross-kill somehow.

Saki gets to be town hero once more.

VOTE: no lynch

Kai you aren't getting a kill on me tonight or (hopefully) DGB so shoot Jordan please <3

It's not better to lynch Kai since we know he's scum?

Why play kingmaker when you can cross your fingers for a cross-kill

↑ Saki wrote:Why play kingmaker when you can cross your fingers for a cross-kill

(TWICE)