Fair. I suppose it's not clear there, but when I phrase things that way the exception is included for the sake of completeness, not because I find it probable.In post 3949, Almost50 wrote:OK, the post I missed was the one directed at PB/Torque. The one you are referring to I did read and you said:
And that's exactly what I was responding to.In post 3942, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:I only see this line coming from scum!him if he's bussing one of mastina/elena
In post 3745, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:I DO have mod provided information that leads me to believe knowledge of everyone's flavor will allow me to construct a scumpool which may act as an additional STRONG reason to suspect some individuals over others.
And now you do gave my flavor claim.In post 3866, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:I don't care about your mechanics, I cared about your flavor.
Honestly, telling you this, when you've claimed your flavor in multiple channels and the scum team knows that of the scum flips, something leads me to think that I have a potential flavor reason to suspect other people, would essentially tell them *what* I'm looking for, so until I have *all* the claims I can't actually give you a response.In post 3951, Almost50 wrote:@cerb: Let me try again. You said:
In post 3745, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:I DO have mod provided information that leads me to believe knowledge of everyone's flavor will allow me to construct a scumpool which may act as an additional STRONG reason to suspect some individuals over others.And now you do gave my flavor claim.In post 3866, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:I don't care about your mechanics, I cared about your flavor.? Am I more likely or less likely scum? Am I clear? Am I doomed? Did it not matter?? WHAT?What did it tell you
The rules clearly say that insulting a player personally is not okay.In post 3956, Almost50 wrote:I mean, what's there to report? YOU ARE INCOMPETENT! That's in NO WAY a personal insult/attack!
Oh, so you conveniently you left out the post where he said 'You suck' complete with a smiley face, did ya?In post 3957, Almost50 wrote:He said you can't read. YES, he's right. You keep going on an on repeating the same things (and even re-quoting them) when he has already responded to them.
He says he doesn't care about you 2 previous games and will judge you by your play here as a measure of your competency, and you insist that he reads them and call you competent. I can provide 20 games where you were incompetent and 40 others were you were useless and/or replaced out. So? I mean maybe (MAYBE) you did well in these two games, but it was clearly an exception to the rule.
Now stop distracting us. We want to play this game.
Oh, and PB NEVER brought up you replacing out. He never asked you to nor has he implied it. YOU brought it up and then decided to respond to yourself.
Flavor doesn't equal alignmentIn post 3952, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:Honestly, telling you this, when you've claimed your flavor in multiple channels and the scum team knows that of the scum flips, something leads me to think that I have a potential flavor reason to suspect other people, would essentially tell them *what* I'm looking for, so until I have *all* the claims I can't actually give you a response.In post 3951, Almost50 wrote:@cerb: Let me try again. You said:
In post 3745, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:I DO have mod provided information that leads me to believe knowledge of everyone's flavor will allow me to construct a scumpool which may act as an additional STRONG reason to suspect some individuals over others.And now you do gave my flavor claim.In post 3866, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:I don't care about your mechanics, I cared about your flavor.? Am I more likely or less likely scum? Am I clear? Am I doomed? Did it not matter?? WHAT?What did it tell you
-Yukiteru
What did you know about WIFOM that SN didn't know?In post 3260, mastina wrote:Because I know something you do not know about WIFOM.
If you freeze to death, listen to this in your last moments. Good luck!In post 3929, mastina wrote:Fucking hell, as if I wasn't already having a bad enough day……
MOD: V/LA DUE TO SNOMWMAGEDDON: SNOWPACOLYPSE DEITION.
At this rate, we could make a full film series!
SNOWMAGEDDON: "Hell's not Fire and Brimstone…"
SNOWMAGEDDON 2: SNOW MORE: "We Weren't Ready for the Comeback…"
SNOWMAGEDDON 3: SNOWFALL: "The Mighty Fallen…"
SNOWMAGEDDON: SNOWVALANCHE: "Get Ready to be Buried…"
SNOWMAGEDDON STRIKES AGAIN: "There's SNOW Escaping…"
SNOWMAGEDDON SIX: SNOWPACOLYPSE: "The End is Upon Us…"
SNOWMAGEDDON SEVEN: RAGNAROK: "The Final Installment…"
SNOWMAGEDDON: SNOW AGE: "Get Ready for Glaciers…"
…Admit it. It'd totally work as a cheap SyFy disaster flic film series.
But yeah.
Wish me luck going home.
Given the rest of my day thusfar. I need it.
You're not wrong, but if one knows of a town ability that has limited targeting/effects, you can assume that the scum team contains AT LEAST one member who the ability would be effective against.In post 3960, Dunnstral wrote:-Yukiteru
This kind of makes sense but if flavor was truly randomized then idk what could happenIn post 3963, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:You're not wrong, but if one knows of a town ability that has limited targeting/effects, you can assume that the scum team contains AT LEAST one member who the ability would be effective against.In post 3960, Dunnstral wrote:-Yukiteru
That's essentially what I'm looking for, people who have flavor that would make them vulnerable to an ability(which I've already used and can't use again, but ya know, you don't have to believe me about that), on the assumption that my role is not purely negative utility.
-Yukiteru
I mean, I am assuming competence on the part of the mod and those who reviewed the game, but the design phase almost certainly went: assign flavor, assign alignments, create roles based on flavor, balance....in which case flavor being randomized/non-mod selected isn't relevant to any discussion of whether flavor should be viewed as an alignment indicator by virtue of what limitations have been placed upon town abilities.In post 3965, Dunnstral wrote:This kind of makes sense but if flavor was truly randomized then idk what could happenIn post 3963, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:You're not wrong, but if one knows of a town ability that has limited targeting/effects, you can assume that the scum team contains AT LEAST one member who the ability would be effective against.In post 3960, Dunnstral wrote:-Yukiteru
That's essentially what I'm looking for, people who have flavor that would make them vulnerable to an ability(which I've already used and can't use again, but ya know, you don't have to believe me about that), on the assumption that my role is not purely negative utility.
-Yukiteru
I also have an ability that depends on flavor
If I had that I would not keep it lmfaoIn post 3864, Almost50 wrote:My role is as follows:
On N1 I unlock "Experience". Starting N1 I gain 100K Exp times the Night # (100K on N1 + 200K on N2 + 300K on N3). That's it.
On N2 I unlock the post-restriction you all have witnessed (it applies to every subsequent day phase, so I won;t be posting for the first week of D4 as well)
On N3 I "thought" I would gain a new ability. After discussing with the mod and rereading the role PM I realized it didn't say I would gain a new ability on N3, but rather "when I've gained enough experience". The mod specifically told me 600K may not be enough still. That was when I exclaimed on how I was supposed to decide on whether I should request a new role when I don't know what THIS role's ability is/would be. Tatsuya said to take it on faith and that I'd have to gamble on one or the other.
So, that's what my role is, and my flavor has been claimed to both members alive in CH5.
Acknowledging this. Now I need to cross-reference this with no deadlines.In post 3867, Near x Mello wrote:Let's recap what my read on you has been, Gamma.
Town (354, 708, 711, 717, 814, 828, 1062
Weaker town: 1132, 1280
Trying to get you to post things: 1331
Annoyance that I'm being ignored: 1405, 1406
In 1688 you claim my townread on you has been confident, which was true until ~the 1100s, but not after. I explain this to you. You ignore me and continue pushing it. It makes me think you are shading me (given I was pushing Morality at the time and you'd have reason to if you were his buddy) (1695, 1702)
Despite that I still want to clear this up: 1704. I get no response.
Still, you are not an actual scumread for me as proven in 1908. When I get off Morality, I vote Robert, not you. Showing that I was more annoyed by your ignorance and antics and weirdness rather than I considered you to be scum.
In 2073 I point out your vote is as bad as the one you're attacking. This is me trying to get you to see your vote is bad, as this exchange between you and Almost feels stupid to me. You are back to weaker townread at this point.
I try to get you to talk about reads because you are talking about useless mechanics things: 2084, 2086
I get ignored once again. And I vote you, because it happening repeatedly means to me you have to be doing it on purpose at this point. 2091
You produce basically no reads which is completely underwhelming after 2090 posts. Which contributes to my bad feelings about you. 2094, 2095
You are currently in my solve poe, especially since FL is back in it too and like I said, the initial reason I scumread you was your attack on me while I was pushing FL. 2126, 2158, 2186, 2190, 2381
You say that your agreement with FL's case on me is conscious (2393). I again try to engage you on that because you should know better: 2395, 2416
You are still a scumlean: 2432
Yet I am doubting my read on you and remember that it's all weirdness and ignorance that is causing this scumlean: When Chito cases you with 2435, I point out that is actually consistent with your SSBF read progression: 2439
Despite that you are still a scumlean: 2442
However at this point I have started reconsidering and suspecting RP, who quickly replaces you in my solve. This shows another reason you were saying in there was PoE, and when I found someone else I considered could be scum, my scumlean on you was weak enough that it easily faded. Ank townreading you and you voting FL/Severa are also other points that probably helped in that direction. 2455, 2470
As such you're quickly back to weaker town. In 3065 I am frustrated that you treat my RC/Spike case like you are. Because I am townreading you. Also 3071, 3072, 3075.
We already discussed my reads after that point but a reminder that in 3156, my scumpool is {SN, Elena, RP, mastina}. ie I am townreading you.
And in 3303 that has become Elena/RP/mastina and I declare everyone else town. Still townreading you.
At that point you challenge my reads progression, which I explain to you. You also challenge my read on you and I explain to you that I have not been scumreading you for a long while. You probably didn't fully understand this then, but you can see it now. I have not been scumreading you since the ~2500s. 3311
My scumreads continue to be {mastina/Elena/rp} after the SN flip. Still townreading you. 3344
Worth noting that at this point, Chito is insisting you are scum and should be lynched, and I keep shooting him down in ch5. Some of this can be seen in posts like 3562, 3563 where Chito references those talks and I respond to a misunderstanding he had.
Your 3593-3599 are underwhelming and don't reference the current gamestate at all. You don't talk about the mastina or Almost pushes, you don't talk about my mastina points or my Almost towncase, you talk about random Joan things and such. It diminishes the strength of my townread on you a little.
Which I notice and try to get you to actually talk about mastina or your vote in general: 3604, 3605
While waiting I try to shoot down attempts to lynch you: 3616
But wouldn't you guess it? You ignore me once again, and this causes me to falter and put you back in consideration. 3746
Yet despite that, once again, I know it's me being annoyed by you rather than you actually being scummy. 3747
And don't want you lynched. 3766
But your behavior is annoying. 3809, etc...
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Most likely you're going to ignore me again, but this is my stance on you, in detail. I have townread you for the vast majority of the game and even in the times I was scumreading you, it was you being weird and/or annoying and/or ignoring me that caused it. Including right now.
So yeah. Hope that helps.
At this point I think I've settled on a mindset that NxM and A50 are probably scum. I feel like there's absolutely scum on one side of that argument and I've been feeling NxM and by extension A50's side has been considerably less I guess appealing. Beyond that I don't really have much I'm set on.In post 3889, Torque wrote:Gamma thats not...In post 3831, Gamma Emerald wrote:My A50 vote was 100% tiltIn post 3784, Torque wrote:Wait wait wait so as I read ISOs and shitpost in thread
Gamma talk to me about these
In post 1783, Gamma Emerald wrote:try it if you want lolIn post 1766, Almost50 wrote:I think I want to pull a N_M in this game. I'll just pop-up to lol!hammer someone
I think you're town enough to not careIn post 2072, Gamma Emerald wrote:holy fucking gross
just because I miscommunicate info I'm no longer town?
VOTE: Almost50, let's fucking jam my dudeIn post 2085, Gamma Emerald wrote:Honestly I haven't really had cohesive reads, I've just been staying in the moment thinking that I'd get them eventually
I don't really have anyone I townread rn, it's mostly scumreads
anyway I don't see any way this changes
VOTE: Near x Mello
They've consistently been scummy during D3 and there's the previously mentioned meta weirdness. Everyone is arguing over other options but I think this is the direction.
I want to dig your brain because you don't have reads or whatever
If that's tilt, do you still townread him after you untilted? If it's mostly scumreads, then what's the team in your mind?
Why should a cop out???In post 3943, Almost50 wrote:How come nobody commented on my remark regarding the 2 Millers? How do we have 2 Millers and no Cop/Investigative? It literally mentions an Investigative in their role pms, yet no one is coming forward (or even hinting) having any results on anyone. Unless the investigative was stupid enough to target Toog on N2, and had targeted someone else who died on N1.
Aside from that, I think I've made my case and have been clear about it.
@cerb: Explain why scum!Elena asmy partnermakes mastina Loved when my main lynch target was mastina!
Explain why Town!Elena makes mastina Loved at all, and why I would start the day still pushing mastina.
Butmost importantlywhere the fuck were you going with the flavor claim BS, and why did you stop pushing it? I'm starting to find your stances and activity a bit suspicious too. You're not doing the work I would expect you to at this stage of the game, and you're not making much sense. Have I been fooled for the 4th time into trusting you when you're scum?? If so, congrats. I concede.
