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Why are you still voting yourself? You're making people think you're a "leading" wagon.

In post 3974, bubbajack8 wrote:Muffin was investigated. It was pretty fucking obvious.

A man thought it was obvious Lush was a Cop and that their investigation could easily be corrupted.

Gaiden is, of course, flipped scum. Sadly, due to his play style, there's not too much to go off of. Post 1216 with the buddying of Wayne's opinion on bubba's crumbs points a bit more towards bubba-town. Post 1719 is an endorcement of varsoon-town. Not really sure what to make of it. Post 2129 also points towards bubbatown; the nature of the sudden flashwagon on gaiden makes it very unlikely that he was planning on being the day one lynch when making these posts.



Kagami is one of those players with a unique style that tends to make reading them resolve around their use of that style. In her case, it's setup spec and hard "step back" logic. I see plenty of that here. Posts 411; 412; and 419 seem to indicate town as well; even independently of the claim that is now on the table. I feel safe calling this a townread. I do need you to hard-refresh and re-evaluate your scumreads once I flip town, though. Your role and your opinion count for a lot in the night actions game from now on. If I hit the dead QT and giffy tells me you're scum, you're welcome to a free drink next time you're in California near me; because DAYMN.



I miss you Kaze. Sorry I can't carry your torch much further, but see you soon in the dead QT I guess? I wonder if your usual 50% statistic applies to your reads, I'll probably go back and look at that before the end of the day.






Look Nacho, I get that the claims on the board make you likely town, and that you've got IRL shit going on, but you need to step it the fuck up. You've been such a non-presence in a game badly in need of your effort, and it makes me sad. Part of me hopes you're scum just so that I don't have to treat this as the new town you, but after Abyss I'm starting to wonder if you're starting to hit another round of mafia burnout regardless of alignment. If nothing else, if you're town it means you've once again lost your ability to read me and ffery, which will make the next morph scumgame sweet.





Your play has been pretty good, Pie. As confirmed town, it's gonna be your job to step up and take the helm of town leadership. When I flip town, don't let the others forget my reads and my walls.




It is still my opinion that they had a guilty on muffin, but even if they didn't, their read on muffin is a legit thing that should not be forgotten.



Saki is probably scum, if not groupscum, then here lies the probably serial killer. His play has been incredibly lazy and distractin a la FEA. If you are by some miracle town, Saki, then you need to play less like Saki and mroe like Nsin. And quickly.



Sakura is town for the interactions in this game phase. Sadly, it doesn't seem many are willing to listen to you right now. Sakura, take my townflip and rub it in their faces until they listen up.




If you're town this game, which doctor claim plus claimed macho would seem to indicate you need to step it the fuck up like nacho. I literally cannot remember a single one of your posts that have had anything of note in them. I get that flying low is a good way to not get night killed as a doctor or whatnot; but now that you're out in the open, stop sitting on your ass and play.




Our other flipped scum. Having played scum with mala, she is very adverse to busing. Have yet to seriously dive chamber scum. Major interactions include post 1358 where calls both Bubba and Varsoon claims scummy, and votes Bubba. First movement at Gaiden was 1811; nothing major just light suspicion. Actually, compare 1811 to 2283, similar style.



I actually don't care about your alignment any more. Clearly my style and your style are completely at odds, and I really don't enjoy dealing with you. It's probably why it took me until LYLO in Xenogears to actually fight with you. I'm lkeaving it up to the rest of the game to figure you out. Hawkie still thinks you're scum so there's that.



Bubba actually townslipped a few pages ago by showing genuine ignorance of the style of fakeclaims Giffy gives in themed games. I doubt it was coached so he's town. Derp. But town derp.






Fish thinks I'm town, desperado did a huge wallpost about why I'm scum. Can you two make up your goddamn mind and give me a summary? (Also your claim does not make much sense and after tons of questions to giffy I confirmed I have no item that is stealable so the mechanics of your role makes even less fucking sense.)





You've been a total non-presence in this game. I remember town you at least being a bit more engaged in this game and I think you're potentially scum even with the claims on the board, come to think of it.




I miss the murdercock :~(




I still think you're scum but hey. If you're town use my flip to do a hard reset, and work with the others.



I will never agree with your method of playing the game, as I feel it goes against both the spirit of the game and your wincon when you're town. As I've previously told you, this is not a repairable working relationship. Never join any of the games I've signed up for, as I won't be joining any you sign up for. Using an alt was rather low of you. As far as this game goes, Hawkie pretty much covered it.




Katarina townslipepd like to high hell on day two, and yet some of you fail to recognize it. Putting aside her alignment for a moment, she has to be an oracle of some sort, because of the way she interacted with the backup mod ETL. I don't see scum oracle choosing that question and then outing it immediately upon day two's start.

Sadly, Kat, as much as you object to my lynch these players seem to want it badly enough. See my advice to sakura, you as well.


You're town from your claim and the way you led the chamber lynch, so use my flip as your wakeup call to reset. If you are actually scum then bravo, you can probably count this as one of your best games in a while.



...Actually 167 reads very interestingly given the new knowledge about the Rem slot. (FTR I think Kise is scum here) My first theory here was mafia traitor hence the whole "hey guys look GCBC/Morph is bulletproof" bullshit, but now I think he's just going for the old "too annoying and dickish to be scum" routine. The hard rem push smells like a hardbus to me, I dunno.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Saki
for what it's worth.

Also messiah can I get a single consolidated post about EXACTLY how your role works, what info you got off it, and what you know from mod questioning?

In post 3975, Kagami wrote:Why are you still voting yourself? You're making people think you're a "leading" wagon.

Because 1. People don't believe me. It's bullshit. 2. If it's between me and Messiah I'm the obvious better option.

But hey if you want me to start voting Messiah fine.

VOTE: Messiah

I'll also vote Muffin.

In post 3949, Sakura Hana wrote:I'm going with it because none else here has wanted to interact with me

I do. I always do. :/

In post 3977, GoodCop_BadCop wrote:Saki is probably scum, if not groupscum, then here lies the probably serial killer. His play has been incredibly lazy and distractin a la FEA. If you are by some miracle town, Saki, then you need to play less like Saki and mroe like Nsin. And quickly.

This is a total lie.
Read my play in FEA and compare it to say, Xenogears or LOTR.

In post 3978, GoodCop_BadCop wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: Saki
for what it's worth.

So this is your last little flail?
Unimpressive.

VOTE: Saki

Mmmm.
3982 was not a town saki post.

In post 3983, Varsoon wrote:VOTE: Saki

Mmmm.
3982 was not a town saki post.

tell me why?

Too much absolutes, too much venom.

In post 3985, Varsoon wrote:Too much absolutes, too much venom.

What

I can't be confident nor condescending?

You can be, as scum.

In post 3977, GoodCop_BadCop wrote:

SXTLHGaiden

C'mon now, you can't

really

expect that I'll give any real help finding scum. Here's some posts to mislead you in the right direction though 1216, 1719, 2129. I know most people won't take the time to check and will just take my word for it since they aren't linked or quoted. Oh shit! They're linked!

Kagami

You're voting me so I'm going to flatter you and appeal to your superego to make you feel uniquely special. Here's some posts that confirm your towniness 411, 412, and 419. Pay no mind that they all come from the same page and ignore everything else you've done. Now, pretty please with sugar on top, UNVOTE me.

Kazekirimaru

Got you sucka! Better luck next game!

Nachomamma8

Look Nacho, I know you respond well to the Andy face to face, eye to eye, only you and me taking here approach so Ima slip into that skin real quick and do some Jedi mind trick. Now divert your eyes while I change...

you no longer want to consider voting me. In fact you only want to vote my only "solid" I give here.

pieguyn

Hey! You're town! Me too!

Lush Life

Now, I know we had about a bajillion interactions. You have more stuff worth analyzing than any other slot in this game. First, you were a fucking Cop(!) so, dayum there's gotta be some clears and maybe a guilty in there that can be analyzed. Next, there's Majiffy who pulls scum straight out of his nethers when town that are dead fucking on! And Bork, well he'll, he nails down interactions, inconsistencies, and connections like no other. And lest I forget Pirate Mollie. No one does meta like her! This team up probably fed the town more good stuff in the short time they were naive and kicking than most people do in 3 complete games!

But, again, I can't really help town. So, you know...You get one sentence.

Saki

Saki is so easy to mislynch because of playstyle, so he's my ONLY rock solid scum read. Get him!

now watch this! tee hee!

Hey Sakura, Saki is the one who ignored you the mostest! Sic'em (and don't notice how I'm setting you up to be mislynched next with this play). Oh yeah, and disregard the fact I just pulled this from thin air.

Mac

I'm just going to say something that sounds like I'm mustering the troops. Maybe you bite, maybe you don't.

The Chamber of Kittens

Already used the can't read angle...I know! I'll use the haven't gotten around to looking at Chamber's scum games. Yeah, that oughta work! Some posts most people won't read and which don't matter anyhow. 1358, 1811, 2283. Hope no one actually compares 1811 to 2282.

Varsoon

Im going to feign giving you the cold shoulder to manipulate you into getting off me and on to doing what I want instead. No hard feelings; scum ploy <3

bubbajack8

Bubba actually townslipped a few pages ago by showing genuine ignorance of the style of fakeclaims Giffy gives in themed games. And again with the kill the day talker so scum don't have day chat thing. And if you look hard enough, probably a couple of other places too. Nothing to see here. I'm pointing this out so I can point out Katarina's townslip without raising too many eyebrows.

Messiah Complex (Desperado + FormerFish)

I gotta post something, so gibberish will have to do

dramonic

Maybe I can set up another mislynch with this one

Serene (kuribo + DrippingGoofBall + Fate)

Got you too :smileyfacetongue:

zMuffinMan

Bah

Jaqen Hghar

<later>

Katarina LaBlanc

I coached that shit! That "townslip"was so perfect! Just let me gloat a minute!

ActionDan

Just letting you know you're going down tonight!

Kise

167 to make it look like I'm giving attention, but really I've got nothing.

A man cuts through the b.s. and makes a tl/dr.

A man errs..

good stuff in the short time they were alive and kicking

Hope no one actually compares 2282 to 2283.

I can honestly see why Cabd is blacklisting you.

I agree with a saki lynch, but more on flavor grounds than anything else. Doc Sanae with VT Eirin is bizarre to say the least.

god you are boring jaqen

GCBC: Basically, here's a couple things I'd be thinking in the shoes of town bulletproof GCBC, and it bothers me a bit that you're not thinking them too -

1) dram is almost certainly scum. It's very hard to imagine that there's only one scum on the day 1 varsoon wagon, and since I (GCBC) am not scum, PoE points squarely at dram.

2) mac is very suspicious. At least, I would think that muffin and mac are likely the same alignment.

Why? If muffin is scum, it means the ninja is in fact a red herring, so why can't the "macho" modifier also be a red herring (or, rather, both are only relevant to Kise's inventions)? Also, he very confidently came up with "town has too much protection." Scum muffin would come up with that argument quite easily if he knew mac was not actually a doctor. If I (GCBC) am bulletproof, the "town has too much protection" argument would actually ring very true to me, which would trigger even more "mac is poss scum" flags.

If muffin is town, then we know the ninja-tracker thing is legit, so macho probably is too.

gcbc wrote:Apparently he claimed because he felt like the claim would have helped to find scum, but didn't actually pan out?

did you guys didn't discuss the game / your role N1? because i was under the impression cabd thought the 1-shot strongman was a counter to your role

also wondering why cabd didn't mention that as a reason when he was probed about it earlier today

gcbc wrote:I still think you're scum but hey. If you're town use my flip to do a hard reset, and work with the others.

i (a) don't get why you're acting like you've already been lynched and (b) don't get why this would be your comment to me, because outside of the reads on each others, our reads are fairly similar, so why would you tell me to do a hard reset?

I'll sheep.

I like this wagon

In post 3977, GoodCop_BadCop wrote:Your play has been pretty good, Pie. As confirmed town, it's gonna be your job to step up and take the helm of town leadership. When I flip town, don't let the others forget my reads and my walls.

my play has been pretty good? news to me @_@

if you're town i think you're leaving the game in the wrong person's hands. i don't think i'm capable of leading right now

agree on Saki. Saki/dram/{GCBC, zmuffin}

I still wanna go for zmuffin. but that's only bc i don't feel confident i'd be able to get him lynched down the road =.=