LOST (Game Over)

[Bellaphant]

^ is all fine.

[RCEnigma]

Nancy you are a gem, don’t ever let anyone take your shine.

[RCEnigma]

I was inches from a Klick wagon but they swooped in with sauce.

[RCEnigma]

Today I don’t want to lim: dwlee, Rad, frogster, TBone, OTH, ceph (read as townreads)

But my towncore is - Bell, DP, Luke, Pooky, mala, Dunn

Frog and TBone are close to making the jump up, Rad and ceph are on a downtrend that I can’t fully quantify.

If I had a dayvig I’d shoot BB formerly PP or Malcolm.

Also Bella is on the verge of don’t like, they are amicable in a way that doesn’t creep me out so that’s + but beyond that no strong impression.

I think Klick does have some scum equity but that’s just without flips and on play minus voting patterns I think they are +town.

[Frogsterking]

Bella can you elaborate on your Klick read, can you tell if this is Klick's scum game yet or will you need more time to tell?

[Bellaphant]

Their early posts were just town. They've not done a huge amount since but I know we've been ridiculous busy (I am 'night posting' when you guys are posting because I'm up with the baby). Things should calm down for both us after the weekend so I'm hoping for an uptick in content

I did like their response to me about them moving their vote, it felt natural and not like... performative or defensive, whereas I think scum klick could've just shaded me for even asking.

[Bellaphant]

RCA, talk to me about mala and bell?

I know I need to dive Dunn

[Dunnstral]

I don't need you to dive me, just to explain why you have me as mafia right now.

[Bellaphant]

That's what I'm saying, I think I'm just wrong - I want to iso you because part of my brain just went 'scum' and I want to relook at that. I know that's shit but it's true.

[Frogsterking]

@Pooky

Johnny -> Null

[Frogsterking]

Klick -> Town

[Klick]

As I read through tonight, and saw it happening, it felt like there were two people actively trying to keep the Math wagon alive after I abandoned ship. Pooky and Klick.

When I look back at how the two of them treated the slot, Pooky has had Corwin as a scum read for a while. He was scum on his reads list post, and scum in both spread sheets.

Comparatively, Klick did not mention a scum reading Corwin a single time until after I started my attempt to lead the thread. "Corwin" appears in Klick's iso in exactly 5 posts. Here is the progression, interspaced with when I first started trying to get people to move to corwin, and when I unvoted.

Spoiler:

NULL
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Corwinoid

After doing some reading, I am narrowed down where I want to move my vote to either Corwinoid and The Toad, but struggling to decided between the two.

Maybe they should just be dueling wagons?

I had a small scumread on Corwin develop earlier but wanted to give him time to settle in the game. But people are talking about it now so I guess I'll pitch in and say I concur

But Toad isn't towny either so I'd go there too

Mmm not feeling the Toad vote really.

VOTE: Corwin let's try this

I am starting to think that I failed as town leader

UNVOTE:

I didn't get much from maths' posting, which is strange because last game with them I was adamant about them being town to a very unbella-like point of intransigence.

This is probably because Corwin/MathBlade is just a scum slot and should die today

VOTE: MathBlade

I don't really think Corwin's body of work looks like scumhunting, it looks more like projecting reads into the thread to look like he's scumhunting

No comment on Corwin.

I say we should wagon there.

An unoffensive join. "small scum read"

I say we should not kill Math

Now, the language is that the slot is "just scum and should die"

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Klick's engagement with this wagon reeks imo

So I can see how you've come to the conclusions you've come to
I think this argument falls when you consider that I have no illusions about my influence on the game state. The content I've provided hasn't been sufficient to be actually 'trying to keep the Math wagon alive' and the sway I have isn't going to be convincing a decent number of people to vote with me without reasons.

The things that actually convince me of someone's alignment one way or the other tend to be based on singular or very few reasons that I feel are very solid myself. But I have zero confidence in my ability to competitively form an argument based on the reasons I read people, because my read reasoning tends to not be persuasive. So I've recently opted for just giving my thoughts without intent to persuade, or otherwise pushing in directions that I feel will help the game early on.

I personally think it's very notable that Bella's having trouble reading MathBlade, because Bella has clocked onto Math!town very quickly and accurately in the past, and that sort of nullish read on someone often turns up scum in my experience. And I've already given my thoughts on why Corwin's slot was scummy. I can't give much more than that without delving into things that really don't influence my own thoughts either way.

[Klick]

I see a Roden wagon
VOTE: Roden

[Klick]

I think Corwin got a bad rap because he started the game away from it and had to come in on the back foot with people scum reading him when he literally wasn't in the game yet.

This is a poor generalisation of the scumreads on Corwin
I'd rather the history on that not get edited thx

[Off The Hook]

yeah, mathblade seems more concerned about defending himself than anything else. i could see that being scum, but it does feel a bit mean to jump on him like that so i could also see those emotions coming from frustrated town.
i think giving him the space would be helpful.

im all for a possible klick wagon though! votes are too wagony for my liking. i feel like thats viable scum strat and their afkness let them slid by until now.

[MalcolmTucker]

yeah, mathblade seems more concerned about defending himself than anything else. i could see that being scum, but it does feel a bit mean to jump on him like that so i could also see those emotions coming from frustrated town.
i think giving him the space would be helpful.

im all for a possible klick wagon though! votes are too wagony for my liking. i feel like thats viable scum strat and their afkness let them slid by until now.

I'm not really feeling scum Klick at all, the vote on Roden seems reasonable given there's a clear progression there from recent posts, and quite frankly we do need to start forming wagons at this point - thus far we've barely had any.

[Lukewarm]

i want to kill one of math/DP/Johnny

im not sure why that feels impossible

Because you didn't cross reference my reads list first, duh

[Off The Hook]

I'm not really feeling scum Klick at all, the vote on Roden seems reasonable given there's a clear progression there from recent posts, and quite frankly we do need to start forming wagons at this point - thus far we've barely had any.

how are you not feeling klick scum at all?!??!!

klicks done barely anything, the majority of their notable contributions is "wagon on whatever wagon looks like itll go somewhere"? it feels like theyre just searching for a miselim?
literally WHERE does it look like theyre trying to genuinely push the game into a good state?

open their iso and point out what gives townie vibez?!??!?! bet u cant bet u cant

[Lukewarm]

Also like, mechanically, I think we need Math for at least Day 2 anyway because of the silliness of DNA's claimed post restriction. So y'all could lim him on Day 2 if you're still not satisfied. Eliminating Math now means DNA gets a pass and never needs to answer for Day 1. I'm not saying we're guaranteed anything with Math alive, but we're guaranteed nothing with Math dead.

And like, he inherited a town slot...

What do we get out of dna with math alive day 2 that we don’t with math elimmed?

Once they are free to talk as much as they want, They can say that they thought anything day 1 with no one here to verify they actually thought it real time

[T-Bone]

Was this also claimed? I'm losing track of neighborhoods

Not by me. I sat on it. Klick has been my sekkrit scumread.

~Titus

Unironically are you pocketing me?

For what it's worth, this Klick scumread was in her notes post in the neighbourhood!

It might be worth getting into that a bit? Like do you see them drastically different in the PT vs here? Are they saying things you find questionable?

Also like, mechanically, I think we need Math for at least Day 2 anyway because of the silliness of DNA's claimed post restriction. So y'all could lim him on Day 2 if you're still not satisfied. Eliminating Math now means DNA gets a pass and never needs to answer for Day 1. I'm not saying we're guaranteed anything with Math alive, but we're guaranteed nothing with Math dead.

And like, he inherited a town slot...

What do we get out of dna with math alive day 2 that we don’t with math elimmed?

The ability to get coroberation or lack their of from the two players.

[T-Bone]

Low key I'm getting buyer's remorse from the Klick vote now.

[RCEnigma]

Also like, mechanically, I think we need Math for at least Day 2 anyway because of the silliness of DNA's claimed post restriction. So y'all could lim him on Day 2 if you're still not satisfied. Eliminating Math now means DNA gets a pass and never needs to answer for Day 1. I'm not saying we're guaranteed anything with Math alive, but we're guaranteed nothing with Math dead.

And like, he inherited a town slot...

What do we get out of dna with math alive day 2 that we don’t with math elimmed?

Once they are free to talk as much as they want, They can say that they thought anything day 1 with no one here to verify they actually thought it real time

If math flips town than what they said dna said should just be taken at face value. And the dead will still have contact in some capacity anyway.

It’s whatever though, I’d give math a day.

[RCEnigma]

RCA, talk to me about mala and bell?

I know I need to dive Dunn

Both feel loose and free flowing. Mala just exudes town demeanor.

The Klick townread is more substantial. My only real issue with Klick was the voting but I asked myself what I found scummy about it and couldn’t pin it down. Their votes are very openly displaying what they think at that particular moment readswise and have actually been used to develop those reads (Example, the step back from cephrir and again on my slot.)

What I think is happening in regards to Klick is twofold. People are conflating thread presence with perceived town behavior and playing as if the two go hand in hand. As well as, slots are just giving Klick the old jab, jab, step back…..but they keep stepping back and Klick gets scummier in retrospect as a result.

What do I mean by that? Well I don’t recall an instance outside of ceph where Klick engaged with a slot and they came out with a Klick scumread from it. It’s all been after the fact.

If I’m wrong call me out but that’s how I’m seeing it.

[RCEnigma]

Oh I also wanted to add that despite all of that. I still feel more strongly about Mala being town than Klick being town. I just have better reasons for townreading the other way round.

[Lukewarm]

Also like, mechanically, I think we need Math for at least Day 2 anyway because of the silliness of DNA's claimed post restriction. So y'all could lim him on Day 2 if you're still not satisfied. Eliminating Math now means DNA gets a pass and never needs to answer for Day 1. I'm not saying we're guaranteed anything with Math alive, but we're guaranteed nothing with Math dead.

And like, he inherited a town slot...

What do we get out of dna with math alive day 2 that we don’t with math elimmed?

Once they are free to talk as much as they want, They can say that they thought anything day 1 with no one here to verify they actually thought it real time

If math flips town than what they said dna said should just be taken at face value. And the dead will still have contact in some capacity anyway.

It’s whatever though, I’d give math a day.

I was more explaining tbones point