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Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:48 am
by DrippingGoofball
Good points about Bunnylover, I will have to investigate this deeper.

Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:11 pm
by Telo
*They LOVE me. They really really LOVE me!* In my best Sally Fields voice. Skimmed very quickly. Weekend prod dodge post. What's the count? I saw lots of questions for me so I'll read again from my nook when possible and then be back no later than Tuesday to answer.

Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:13 pm
by Brandi
Telo what is your read on me in regards to my alignment?

Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:16 pm
by camn
Telo must die.
This kind of play cannot stand.

Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:28 pm
by Bunnylover
Shit, forgot about mafia.
Post incoming.

Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:34 pm
by Sucrose
↑ Telo wrote:*They LOVE me. They really really LOVE me!* In my best Sally Fields voice. Skimmed very quickly. Weekend prod dodge post. What's the count? I saw lots of questions for me so I'll read again from my nook when possible and then be back no later than Tuesday to answer.


Do you not have a regular computer?

↑ Bunnylover wrote:Shit, forgot about mafia.
Post incoming.


Nice timing.

Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 2:03 pm
by Bunnylover
↑ Sucrose wrote:
↑ Telo wrote:*They LOVE me. They really really LOVE me!* In my best Sally Fields voice. Skimmed very quickly. Weekend prod dodge post. What's the count? I saw lots of questions for me so I'll read again from my nook when possible and then be back no later than Tuesday to answer.


Do you not have a regular computer?

↑ Bunnylover wrote:Shit, forgot about mafia.
Post incoming.


Nice timing.

ugh i know right =/.
Saw the top post, and was like fuck this is going to look terrible, but oh well.
Really though, why would you pressure vote me, and tell everyone its a pressure vote? Doesn't that defeat the purpose?
Also what about me is exactly scummy.
You said I don't have original thoughts, which I can agree with. A lot of times what I woulda said has been said, all I can do is reiterate it in my own words.
You said I jumped on the easy wagon (Piggy). I don't remember placing a vote on Piggy, but I do remember someone asking me my opinion on it. Or more to say they believed I was avoiding it, so I gave my opinion on Piggy.

I do owe a post of Fujiko ISO as I promise, but BF wants to go cuddle so it will be in a couple hours :P

Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:02 pm
by PiggyGal15
Bunnylover - who's your top scum read? Are you willing to lynch Telo?

Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:04 pm
by Fujiko
↑ Telo wrote:*They LOVE me. They really really LOVE me!* In my best Sally Fields voice. Skimmed very quickly. Weekend prod dodge post. What's the count? I saw lots of questions for me so I'll read again from my nook when possible and then be back no later than Tuesday to answer.


Yeah. I really do not like the "no later than Tuesday" part.

VOTE: Telo

Hopefully this will bring you back earlier. :)

As to why was the vote on RachMarie phrased awkwardly: because I'm still not certain who is scum. It was a followup to the comments earlier about what to do when you don't know what to do with your vote.

Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:06 pm
by Seastormjt
Spoiler:
↑ Tammy wrote:
Why not? What does your V/LA have to do with your vote? Do you not like where it is? Do you feel uncomfortable just unmoving it for some reason?

This may answer a few questions. I dislike when people don't use their vote, it's mildly scummy to me. An RVS on Math was okay, but whenever RVS shows signs of potentially ending, I like to try to bring it out by commenting and taking a stance. I think I might have been a little early, but at the very least, I thought Piggy was scummier than the average person, so I voted that way.

Answering the question, I wanted to see if I disliked anyone more than Piggy after the exchange, but I had work to be doing, and couldn't. I'm very against unvoting unless it's LyLo or something, as you at least put pressure on someone.

Speaking of, pressure votes aren't pressure if you say they are, not sure who I thought I saw doing it.

Looking over the wagon that formed on me, tbh I'm less worried about Sucrose than I am about Brandi. Sucrose was talking to Amrun, and that's apparently why she didn't say anything. Bradi responds to my post, but only winds up voting later.

(Reread status: All the way up to #85)

Math is... Interesting. I wish I could say she were towny, but the amount of null tells she had really rang some bells. She doesn't roll scum often, and the last two times were her first time and a joke game. I would love to see more of Katty when she has more time.

From there up to about #108 makes me like Sucrose a lot, as well as Eidolon. Fujiko is still a null.

And I'm back to the quote I started at. Not sure why Brandi being insistent about a theory point makes her town, I'd love if someone could explain that. Tammy looks town, though I'm a little bit wary of the walls -- I've heard scum tend to wordbomb every few pages instead of posting consistently, though I've never really seen examples of it.

I can't see exactly why Telo is scummy enough to have such a large wagon -- I'm picking up a general feeling of nervousness, but I'd love if someone could explain the wagon to me.
Never mind, thanks Rach (also Rach seems pretty town)

I'm not going to comment much on camn's posts mainly because I really liked one of the most recent ones and I'm fairly sure she's town. I might go back later, but I'm sort of tired right now.

#167-#175 seem very much like a town v town argument.

#177 makes me like Spring a lot.

Huntress, why were you voting Sucrose again?

Hm, #192 makes me not like Telo -- It's not like you have a limited amount of votes. Readwalls and only readwalls are scummy as well. I could potentially see Fujiko being scum if Telo is (fairly null on Fujiko, otherwise, though).

↑ Sucrose wrote:I'm waiting for replies.

Did you ever give these replies? I seem to remember you unvoted before you did.

#217 -- Telo gets worse and worse, I don't like that we have to push you for content :/

(Huntress, Math likely spoilered her reads for the same reason I'm spoilering this, the forum we came from frowns on text walls.)

Still don't like Huntress, I feel like she's not really following through with her questions and she's speaking more to say things.

And then the 'dayvig'.

While City's post looks horrible and my initial reaction is to put her down as scum, I do feel like that's what newb!town would do. I wasn't really looking at her posts prior to this though, and I'll have to get back to her later. The way everyone jumped on her, though, does make her look better.

Not sure why Piggy's reaction is so town, though. I doubt scum would just be like "welp you caught me" after being told that we can still talk.

#272 Fine I'll look at Fujiko again (later). Fujiko's reaction to this does not look all that great, though.

#299 How is tbh a scumtell?

Spring v. Brandi

This is clogging up the thread, really, really don't like Brandi coming out of it, though Spring doesn't do herself any favors, especially if Telo is scum.

The daytalk thing... I've seen scum fake not knowing pretty well, and while I don't really like Brandi (I feel like she's been more reacting than hunting), I'm willing to wait.
Voting: Huntress
, though. Still don't really like her, and while I like Telo less, Telo's given herself an ultimatum of Tuesday, and I want to see what she comes up with.

Questions pulled down here:
Huntress, what is scummy about Sucrose? You already explained slightly, but could you expand on it?
Sucrose, what kind of replies were you looking for before you unvoted me? I don't think you ever talked about them.
DGB, how is tbh a scumtell?

btw, further explanation for my earlier vote is the top paragraph of that huge wall.

Um... I feel like I should have more to say, but I'm pretty tired right now. Readlist below which kind of summarizes the above, town to scum, top to bottom.
Vote: Huntress
is also under the spoiler.

Spoiler:
Seastormjt
camn
Tammy
Eidolon
RachMarie
Amrun
Sucrose
DrippingGoofball
springlullaby
CityElectric
Katty Bard
Fujiko
Bunnylover
PiggyGal15
flinter
Huntress
Brandi
Telo

Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:19 pm
by PiggyGal15
...what was with the second spoiler? Is that your town-scum reads? Shouldn't Huntress be at the end if you're voting her then? What would it take to make you vote Telo?

Oh, and Fujiko, *hands cookie* good girl, only 3 more to go people until we lynch this scum!!

Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:34 pm
by DrippingGoofball
↑ Seastormjt wrote:
#299 How is tbh a scumtell?


Glork says it is.

Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:03 pm
by RedCoyote
Prodding Eidolon and Katty Bard


Vote Count 1 - 13

  • Telo
    (7) (RachMarie - DrippingGoofball - PiggyGal15 - Brandi - camn - CityElectric - Fujiko)

    Brandi
    (2) (springlullaby -
    Sucrose
    - Huntress)

    Fujiko
    (2) (Eidolon -
    camn
    - Bunnylover)

    Huntress
    (2) (Tammy - Seastormjt)

    PiggyGal15
    (1) (
    Seastormjt
    - Telo)

    Sucrose
    (1) (Amrun)

    Bunnylover
    (1) (Sucrose)

    camn
    (0) (
    flinter
    )

    DrippingGoofball
    (0) (
    CityElectric
    )

    RachMarie
    (0) (
    Fujiko
    )

    Not Voting
    (2) (Katty Bard - flinter -
    CityElectric
    )


With eighteen alive, it takes ten to lynch.
Current Deadline:
(expired on 2012-10-11 12:10:00)

Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:17 pm
by Seastormjt
The last list is everyone.

I usually like to vote my biggest scumread, but I know that I won't get traction on Brandi, and the daychat thing makes me eh a little, and Telo, I want to wait on until she comes back.

Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:19 pm
by PiggyGal15
↑ Seastormjt wrote:The last list is everyone.

Any specific order it's in?

Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:53 pm
by Seastormjt
↑ Seastormjt wrote:town to scum, top to bottom.

Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 6:07 am
by Sucrose
↑ Seastormjt wrote:
Sucrose, what kind of replies were you looking for before you unvoted me? I don't think you ever talked about them.

I was hoping to talk to Mathgirl, and specifically why she was keeping her RVS vote on the lead wagon. I didn't say that was what I was waiting for because it would defeat the purpose. But she replaced out, which answered my question! I also wanted Brandi to respond to some questions I had earlier for her. (she did)

BTW I don't know about the others, but I wish you wouldn't post in spoilertext, I don't have any problems with walls of text. I almost missed the first part of your post there.

↑ Seastormjt wrote:
Speaking of, pressure votes aren't pressure if you say they are, not sure who I thought I saw doing it.

Oh, that was me. I hadn't heard that before, but since two people have said it I'll remember it. I don't think it makes that much of a difference, I wouldn't have voted for Bunnylover at this stage if I didn't legitimately think she was scummy.

I liked Seastorm's post there, gives me a much better read on her.

I'm going to actually agree with Fujiko: Telo saying she might not return until two days before deadline when she's the leading wagon is
extremely
inconvenient, to say the least.

Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 6:41 am
by camn
It cannot stand, and should be punished via Lynch.

And spoilertext is Rad.

Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 6:49 am
by Telo
@ Sucrose post 405, I explained early in the game that I'm from my nook. It's nice to have as I can catch up on the game from it when I have time -which is not thos weekend or tomorrow- but it's terribly inconvienient to post from. Mainly because I can't open multiple windows to address things from previous pages. But also because I can't qoute which question I'm answering or easily format my responses.

Church and family obligations today and slammed tomorrow. Earliest time to address my fan club is Tuesday.

Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:03 am
by camn
You'll be dead by then.

Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:10 am
by Sucrose
↑ Telo wrote:@ Sucrose post 405, I explained early in the game that I'm from my nook. It's nice to have as I can catch up on the game from it when I have time -which is not thos weekend or tomorrow- but it's terribly inconvienient to post from. Mainly because I can't open multiple windows to address things from previous pages. But also because I can't qoute which question I'm answering or easily format my responses.

Church and family obligations today and slammed tomorrow. Earliest time to address my fan club is Tuesday.


Do you mean you're on your nook for the time being, or that you don't have a regular desktop or laptop?

Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:11 am
by Seastormjt
@Sucrose: It's just the massive amount of scrolling that I'm worried about.

As for the pressure vote, if you say you're voting for pressure, then the person knows that they haven't done anything wrong and they just have to respond well to get you off their back.

Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:13 am
by Sucrose
I guess I was misusing the term then, though I didn't say exactly "pressure vote." I legitimately have found Bunnylover's posts, and the lack thereof, scummy.

Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:21 am
by camn
Ladies!
I jumped on this wagon initially as a sheep.. but Telo's lack of response bothers me.

Let us look at her ISO:

Her first 5 posts? NOTHING. Fluff, totally. no content.
POst 6- real life excuses.
post 7- nothin.. Maybe a spark of life? Nope.

Now.. post 8! This is a big post! There are quotes and everything.
what does it say?
NOTHING. NOTHING AT ALL.

POst 9-12.. some opinions. I like that. She does make an excuse and a promise here:
On
Brandi
still doing the extra reading assigned in post #89
.. lets see if she ever follows up on that :) (note: she does not. it was just an excuse)
not in 13... in 14? Ah! A vote! A wagon vote! That is a conservative move.
15-17.. just confusion.
18-19.. a TINY bit of discussion/defense. Not much, though.

aaand 20-24.. BACK TO ABSOLUTE FLUFF. THE DAY IS WINDING DOWN.. AND WE GET FLUFF.

------------------------------

in summary, my case:
a) fluffposting, especially day 1 fluffposting is scummy.
It is well known that Day 1 slips are what trip you up later in the game.. thus, avoiding mis-steps early is the #1 priority with new scum.
b) RL excuses are scummy. I post probably half the time from my phone. Its harder, and your posts
are
shorter and lack formatting.. but one can still write meaningful material. OH YES WE CAN. So that is horse-patooty.
c) I know this is a risky argument.. but it is the kind I think about-
we are approaching the deadline.
We have had a lot of shiz happen today.. a lot of data.
Telo is likely scum... but day 1 scum ARE hard to pin down.
thus IF telo is town... she is the kind of town that will both
1- never get nightkilled, and
2- crush us in endgame, by being both unreadable (due to day 1 fluff), and likely playing like she is now.
I will accept she might be brilliant, and just isn't showing us.. but that is just supposition. I like facts, and prior behavior generally indicates future behavior. Ergo, she is a safe lynch
regardless of alignment
.

THUS- our lynch for today?
TELO
.

Thank you for your consideration.

Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 8:56 am
by Fujiko
↑ Telo wrote:@ Sucrose post 405, I explained early in the game that I'm from my nook. It's nice to have as I can catch up on the game from it when I have time -which is not thos weekend or tomorrow- but it's terribly inconvienient to post from. Mainly because I can't open multiple windows to address things from previous pages. But also because I can't qoute which question I'm answering or easily format my responses.

Church and family obligations today and slammed tomorrow. Earliest time to address my fan club is Tuesday.


I feel bad, actually - because I believe you, and I can totally understand where this is coming from.
But for the purpose of the game, this is really inconvenient as well, because it means that we're basically waiting for several days when we're at (several+2) days till deadline.

Can you do a small reply to part of it? Go V/LA until Tuesday or something? (I had a V/LA in July where I wasn't sure if I'd be able to post - turned out I could post even more than I usually do....)

We miss you too. We just have a funny way of showing it. :)
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