Gay Mafia II: RIDE THE LIGHTNING (Game Over)

[DrippingGoofball]

Explain?

[DrippingGoofball]

Vote shenanigans are *highly* likely to either be SPB

You think that he lowered the lynch threshold as many of us were ready to lynch him over DW?

[DrippingGoofball]

Fruit vendor is not cleared, especially since one of his targets was the COP on night 4, what's up with that???

[DrippingGoofball]

SPB was, at least at some point, a Dreaming God from flip

What? He was a JOAT.

[DrippingGoofball]

Oh I see... he was a traitor that joined the scum team and was "demoted" to JOAT?

I think I'm beginning to see Maguasscum as a possibility.

[DrippingGoofball]

Which means that SPB didn't join until when...

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@ vollkan

Remind me please what day your vote was taken away.

[DrippingGoofball]

Possible missing kills:
Night 1 and Night

(if the Traitor recruiting mechanism is that the mafia tries to kill the Traitor)

Chances are, SPB was JOAT by the time the lynch threshold was lowered.

@ Trollie : did you have anything to do with the lynch threshold and the vollkan vote?

[DrippingGoofball]

vote

Was this confirmed?

[DrippingGoofball]

The real crux is that no one has claimed doing it, and no one has claimed having it done to them

We don't know yet if no one claims doing it, vollkan has claimed having it done to him, and we know the lynch threshold was lowered.

[DrippingGoofball]

Before vote reset:

SPB

3 : dram,

DW, P-dra

dramonic 1: Iecerint

DGB

2:

Wyrd

,

Buttons

Which becomes, after reset:

Slumberpartybois

- 4 (

DrippingGoofball

, zoraster, dramonic,

DeltaWave

) >>> I'm pretty sure this is a town push.

DrippingGoofball

- 5 (

Slumberpartybois, Wyrd

,

Kawaii

, TheTrollie)

Then:

Slumberpartybois

- 3 (zoraster, dramonic,

DeltaWave

)

Wyrd

- 3 (TheTrollie,

DrippingGoofball

)

DrippingGoofball

- 3 (

Slumberpartybois, Wyrd

,

Kawaii

)

So it's really not looking good with 2 wagons on scum.

And the scum pushes for Buttonmen.

Slumberpartybois

- 3 (zoraster, dramonic, DeltaWave)

TheButtonmen

- 4 (

Pretentiousdra

,

Zoidberg

,

Kawaii, The Mini-Librarian

)

Wyrd

- 1 (

DrippingGoofball

)

DrippingGoofball

- 2 (

Slumberpartybois, Wyrd

)

I really want to put Zoidberg in red blink tags in that last one.

[DrippingGoofball]

oh, fuck. did not see all this vote speculation before my last post.

I caused volkan to lose his vote.

HURRY

FULL CLAIM

FLAVOR

ALL ACTIONS

EVERY DAY EVERY NIGHT

[DrippingGoofball]

vollkan is town, idk if that is like so 5 dayz ago or not, but he is town

id vote dram...maybe some others as well lemme see

vollkan is town because i said so a while back

That vote removal is going to require ample explanations.

[DrippingGoofball]

@ dramonic

WILL YOU EVER FORGIVE ME

I think you were right about Trollie.

Look at that stall and information withholding. It's like SPB all over again.

[DrippingGoofball]

Trollie, you're lying.

[DrippingGoofball]

Why did you steal the vote of a player you called "town" at least twice?

[DrippingGoofball]

Trollie, I have reasons to believe that you have more powers that stealing a vote.

List them.

[DrippingGoofball]

Trollie, I have reasons to believe that you have more powers that stealing a vote.

like what, taking four days to realize he has an ability he can use and then use it on a town read? :p

EXACTLY

VOTE: Trollie

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm with limited access for today (and yesterday). Tomorrow I will be traveling. I will try to get something up here before monday but can't promise anything until then.

I have been using the power, ive just been careful with my vote since i didnt want people to accidentally hammer someone not realizing i coujnted for 2

You could have explicitly announced it and been careful with your vote.

I see you're really busy, maybe we'll let you live and lynch a townie instead - hahahahahahaha

[DrippingGoofball]

Also you have other powers that you are being cagey about.

[DrippingGoofball]

N1: nothing

NOTHING

N2: nothing

NOTHING

N3: JacobSavage

DEAD GUY

N4: Vollkan
N5: Kawaii

DEAD GUY

That is most unfortunate.

I suspect whoever lowered the lynch threshold during DW vs. SPB is a player who is some kind of vote-JOAT.

[DrippingGoofball]

@ zoraster

You claimed

Hated Townie

, correct?

I read this in the Wiki:

It is debatable whether it is better to not claim Hated Townie. By not claiming you are opening yourself up to getting run up to L-1 and thus unexpectedly lynched; by claiming you are making yourself a policy lynch on the Day before LyLo.

Do you have an opinion?

[DrippingGoofball]

Hey, zoraster, you know what would be faaaaabulous? Some idea of who you think is scum.

He just said he'd like me for a lynch because I find him suspicious without saying the thinks I'm scum.

[DrippingGoofball]

Hey, zoraster, you know what would be faaaaabulous? Some idea of who you think is scum.

He just said he'd like me for a lynch because I find him suspicious without saying the thinks I'm scum.

EBWOP I thought you meant Trollie nevermind.

Speaking of zoraster I think we'll be OK as long as we don't have a 3-person end game on the horizon, is that correct?

[DrippingGoofball]

because given that he's a confirmed vote stealer, even if he is Mafia or SK, the other faction will have to kill him or face insta-loss in lylo.

Thing is, I don't believe that Trollie is just a vote-stealer. He might have had a one-shot vote steal. I think he's hiding something. The scum won't kill him if he's scum.

[DrippingGoofball]

N1: nothing

NOTHING

N2: nothing

NOTHING

N3: JacobSavage

DEAD GUY

N4: Vollkan
N5: Kawaii

DEAD GUY

That is most unfortunate.

I suspect whoever lowered the lynch threshold during DW vs. SPB is a player who is some kind of vote-JOAT.

A reminder.

[DrippingGoofball]

If he has one-shot abilities, of which vote stealing is one, it makes no sense for him to have used it on vollkan D5

I'm pretty sure he lowered the lynch threshold and he's lying about things.

I'd hate to count on X-kills.

If a X-kill doesn't happen, we'll still have to lynch him so that's a very dangerous strategy. And whoever could X-kill Trollie knows this, and may choose a different target to force us to lynch Trollie instead of themselves the next day.

[DrippingGoofball]

The scum team pretty much imploded, so I'm not looking for genius mastermind strategies here.

I'm pretty sure Trollie is a big liar. He's scum and we need to lynch him.

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm almost certain he's lying, yes.

But I'm not seeing the scum motivation for the lies I think he's telling.

[DrippingGoofball]

The only motivation to lie is being scum.

[DrippingGoofball]

I think it's so incredibly likely that he'll be killed by either the Mafia or the SK (or both) because of how it would be instaloss for them if he doesn't die before lylo.

That's not all that likely and I'm not going to let scum live another day to NK more townies, and then we'll still be forced to lynch Trollie-scum.

His "defense" is completely ridiculous by the way, you ought to be ashamed of buying it.

[DrippingGoofball]

Pretty much feel that no one besides DGB gives a shit about the game, and is just going for the easiest lynch possible (and I'm including Trollie in this group, as well).

Not true, Zoidberg would have been lynched already. I'm not sure if I'm buying the fruit-vendor=confirmed-town theory.

[DrippingGoofball]

t because it is a guaranteed loss for one if not both scum factions otherwise.

Not if he's scum and we're 4 players tomorrow.

[DrippingGoofball]

Unless you're counting zoraster the Hated Townie.

[DrippingGoofball]

As for your arguments for Trollie being scum: no reason for Trollie-scum to admit to using it on vollkan, no bloody reason whatsoever for Trollie-scum to have used it on vollkan N4 to bloody begin with. The argument that he must be scum because the things he's done are just stupid is a bad argument.

Hey. He didn't own up to it on the day it happened.

I had to push hard today... until process of elimination was beginning to look like it was heading right in his direction.

I believe his vote-steal is ONE-SHOT.

I believe he has other scum powers that he is concealing.

[DrippingGoofball]

Dram and I must be the exact same brand of stupid then, because I thought exactly the same thing.

[DrippingGoofball]

My reasoning is basic.

I'm town, I see scum, I want it dead NOW.

Not tomorrow, and not counting on X-kills.

I'm dumb that way.

You have a whole big plan that Trollie should stay alive tonight to be X-killed by the other faction, and leave the Hated Townie alive. How did the Hated Townie not get factored into your scheme? You're doing all these calculations, and you're so sure of them, but never mind a Hated Townie in end game?

[DrippingGoofball]

Trollie has yet to vote anyone, isn't that strange?

[DrippingGoofball]

But, while on the subject, DGB, does Trollie's claim that he has a confirmable double vote change your opinion about anything at all?

Yes - if I see proof.

[DrippingGoofball]

Man, with a bookie in the setup youd think scum would have some form of vote manipulation
Oh wait

Would they? How would that work? Am I missing something?

[DrippingGoofball]

Hooray.

So.

Let's run someone -- and by someone I mean vollkan -- up to L-2 and have Trollie vote.

(And if Trollie votes and it's not a lynch, I will beg a thousand forgivenesses from you and spread rose petals everywhere you walk and peel and feed you grapes, etc, etc.)

Why can't Trollie vote first, and if we see a double vote, we'll know?

[DrippingGoofball]

Oh.

OK.

VOTE: vollkan

[DrippingGoofball]

Trollie: yet it showed yesterday

It didn't, on the day that vollkan confirmed have his vote lost. Check out 3307. Trollie is voting Kawaii along with Zoidberg, and the VC shows 2 votes, not 3.

ding ding ding

Wait didn't you just say it only shows up as the LAST VOTE???

[DrippingGoofball]

Trollie has yet to vote anyone, isn't that strange?

you won't see it until the lynch. I got mod confirmation that the extra vote doesnt show up in the VC. I've already been over this.

But now the extra vote showed up in a prior votecount?

What The Coconut

UNVOTE:

[DrippingGoofball]

Dram pointed it out to the mod and it wasn't corrected, if memory serves.

[DrippingGoofball]

Trollie: yet it showed yesterday

It didn't, on the day that vollkan confirmed have his vote lost. Check out 3307. Trollie is voting Kawaii along with Zoidberg, and the VC shows 2 votes, not 3.

ding ding ding

I'm confused. Where does this fit in?

[DrippingGoofball]

Pretentiousdra [Neil Patrick Harris], Cop, was stabbed in the back with a bladed dildo N4
DeltaWave [Yaweh Adonai Frankenstein Jehovah G-d Smith IV Esq.], Dreaming God, was shot in His Heavenly Face N4
Wyrd [Ronald Reagan], Mafia Governor, was stabbed in his stupid fascist gut N4

WHY 3 NKs on Night 4?

[DrippingGoofball]

Against mass claim until tomorrow.

Sounds like you're claiming a kill, so too late for that.

[DrippingGoofball]

Did I just miss something?

I pointed out that there was an extra kill one night and Magua said "mass claim tomorrow" so...

[DrippingGoofball]

Raindrops keep falling on my head
And just like the guy whose feet are too big for his bed
Nothin' seems to fit
Those raindrops are falling on my head, they keep falling

So I just did me some talkin' to the sun
And I said I didn't like the way he' got things done
Sleepin' on the job
Those raindrops are falling on my, head they keep falling

[DrippingGoofball]

When I post lyrics to a Carpenter's song, I induce a 48-hr deadline.

[DrippingGoofball]

@ zoraster

You claimed

Hated Townie

, correct?

I read this in the Wiki:

It is debatable whether it is better to not claim Hated Townie. By not claiming you are opening yourself up to getting run up to L-1 and thus unexpectedly lynched; by claiming you are making yourself a policy lynch on the Day before LyLo.

Do you have an opinion?

Sorry, I really have meant to get to this.

An opinion? considered it and rejected.

The above is a refresher.

Please explain why it's rejected.

[DrippingGoofball]

I also have a theory that zoraster may in fact be scum, but no one will believe me.

[DrippingGoofball]

confirmed town

See, I'm not so sure about that.

[DrippingGoofball]

[1] I'm being needlessly sarcastic here. Math is, of course, your strong suit, and I'm 100% you know the exact fucking reason you're the compromise lynch, and it has nothing to do with anyone thinking you're scum. So 3606 is a waste.

I was taken aback with zoraster steadfast reaction against my bringing up his lynch, and it got me thinking. It makes sense to me, but I worry that I'm being paranoid. But I think he may be scum, for balance reasons, that his record is just too perfect, and that there is funny JOAT business going on with the "confirmed town" issue, and additionally, zoraster is still alive.

[DrippingGoofball]

Assuming he's telling the truth about his role.

[DrippingGoofball]

Zoidberg's alias was well-chosen.

[DrippingGoofball]

@Mod(s):

Kindly answer the question asked of you in this post.

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[DrippingGoofball]

*HUGZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ*

[DrippingGoofball]

Also

@Trollie

, kindly explain your belief as to why your vote showed as 2 votes on the VCs D4, but not D1 or D5.

The Mod says the votecounts are CORRECT, right?

[DrippingGoofball]

Hi.

I am willing to be the compromise lynch today on the condition we don't lynch zoraster, who I have a very strong townread on.

VOTE: zoidberg

I'm looking at all the vote counts and the scum distribution... this zoidberg thing is NOT town. I'm not fooled by the fruit vendor business.

[DrippingGoofball]

It took a week, but Trollie's story is finally starting to make sense.

[DrippingGoofball]

Leaves vollkan, zoraster, , who I want to lynch in exactly that order. For zoraster's sake, I'll repeat I want to lynch him because I understand basic maths, not because I think he's actually scum (though, he's doing a good job of acting like scum at this point in time, so)

Which is the better bet and why?

[DrippingGoofball]

If he's mafia-scum, SK-scum could play a "make them lynch him" game analogous to what you're proposing. If he's SK-scum, mafia will probably be less likely to try to NK him. And both of these go at once if he's town.

That really plays into my paranoia.

[DrippingGoofball]

In any event I'm willing to sheep Magua's calculations.

[DrippingGoofball]

VOTE: vollkan

[DrippingGoofball]

Zoidberg is scum but no one believes me. I'm not fooled by the fruit vendor thing.

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm town, don't waste your time.

[DrippingGoofball]

Please tell me you've caught scum.

I approve of mass claim.

[DrippingGoofball]

I didn't mess with no actions!

And here's a treat for Valentine's Day:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr3E94fVifk[/youtube]

[DrippingGoofball]

[DrippingGoofball]

Voteless today.

Really. I did get your message...

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm surprised that Trollie pickpocketed your vote, and I did get your message. What point do you think I'm trying to make?

[DrippingGoofball]

It sure looks like you were trying to imply you didn't believe I was voteless because you got my dicktext.

On what grounds would anyone think the two are even related?

But now that you've cast a vote:

We can see if the vote is counted by the mod.

[DrippingGoofball]

i certainly dont.

There's no point. (1) I expressed surprise that Trollie stole Zoidberg's vote, of all people and separately (2) I confirmed the dicktext.

[DrippingGoofball]

Why are you surprised? Be explicit please.

He didn't seem to think you were scum - but maybe the thought you looked disinterested, actually.

[DrippingGoofball]

So... DGB you planning to claim something more direct than posting youtube videos?
Zoid, confirm that ALL you do is fruit vendoring.
zor, anything besides being hated?
iece, claim.

OH I thought we hadn't decided yet. I'm Nick Cage and I think I've dropped some hints that I'm a powerless vanilla townie.

[DrippingGoofball]

Why in the world would I full claim first if I have stuff OTHER than that, dram? No. You'll claim before me.

WUT

[DrippingGoofball]

Zoraster first.
Dramonic goes last.

[DrippingGoofball]

That means, GO NOW.

Read my sig.

[DrippingGoofball]

And now, for a teachable moment:

It's too bad that Zoidberg didn't hide his votelessness. He could have put someone at fake L-1, and the scum would hammer, and then Zoid would say, "sorry my vote don't count" and we'd lynch the hammerer for glory.

MESSAGE TO THE DEAD QT: Trollie you should have stolen my vote!

[DrippingGoofball]

Zoraster, who was confirmed town by Om, who has flipped town

I may be paranoid but there are a lot of iffy things about this "confirmation" that smells of scum shenanigans, including:

(1) this happened day 2, not day 1. Reasons are dodgy.
(2) this happened after the JOAT-traitor was presumably recruited.
(3) Om, who was no threat to anyone, was promptly killed off the next night to seal the deal.
(4) your surprise that YOU were confirmed rather than some other random player sounds really contrived.

I believe that the scumteam is uber powerful and that you may be the weak link.

SO CLAIM NOW

[DrippingGoofball]

If you don't claim now, I'll vote you, and you'll be hammered.

You have exactly NO CHOICE.

[DrippingGoofball]

And I've been quietly running the scumputer in the background. You're the point leader.

267 zoraster
192 Zoidberg
83 Iecerint
33 dramonic

[DrippingGoofball]

Nope. You're scum. The whole aggressive wild person thing worked for a while, but has shown itself. An actual town person wouldn't try this.

READ.

MY.

SIG.

[DrippingGoofball]

Zoidburg

: Is your voteless thing just a today thing or is it for the rest of the game?

READ.

MY.

SIG.

STOP STALLING

[DrippingGoofball]

dram - zor is scum.

Don't relent. Zor has no info.

[DrippingGoofball]

If Zoid has any other abilities, it would be an independent factional kill. So there's little point asking.

Iecerint can wait. You go last. Zoraster is here, and it's NOW.

[DrippingGoofball]

DGB, even if you're going to believe in your sig like it's some sort of gospel that no one can deny, wouldn't the amount of time that's gone since I've stated that I'm claiming last (which I am absolutely going to do) and now be enough for me to craft my fake claim? In any case, I am going to work. Have fun with trying to fight the game.

You're not claiming last, you're claiming now.

[DrippingGoofball]

Paraphrasing your role PM takes seconds.

[DrippingGoofball]

Dramonic, zoraster is bluffing. He has no information at all. He's scum.

I beg you, under no circumstance, should you claim before him. Hold on to your guns.

PROMISE ME

[DrippingGoofball]

Iecerint needs to claim when he shows up.

[DrippingGoofball]

Hey why don't you CLAIM since you have time to waste plotting of hypothetical scum X-kills?

[DrippingGoofball]

Considering these 4 dead scumbags, I can easily imagine a weak member like a scum equivalent of a Hated Townie.

ThunderHog [Jerry Falwell], Mafia 3-Shot Bookie
Ythan [Jerry Sandusky], Mafia Roleblocker
Wyrd [Ronald Reagan], Mafia Governor
SlumberPartyBois [Xenu], Mafia Dreaming God Traitor Jack of all Trades

The Governor is tantamount to an extra NK.

That's a hugely powered scum team.

On the town side, we were even saddled by a vanillizer.

[DrippingGoofball]

Dram thinks he caught you in a lie.

I think you're whole story is pretty dodgy. I think you're a Hated Scumbag and that your "confirmation" comes from the JOAT that you recruited.

You claim first, then dram.

SOWWWY

[DrippingGoofball]

how did my confirmation come from the JOAT that i recruited?

Because you didn't make use of this power Night 1 when the individual chances of any player being NK'd is at its lowest.

I think you used that power Night 2 because you didn't actually have it. The recruited JOAT had it, and used it to "confirm" you.

Because you were "surprised" that the power confirmed YOU to Om, and not another player, and your explanations were contrived.

And then Om (who suspected you a lot before you you "confirmed" yourself to him in particular) gets killed the next night so everyone knows he's town. Om was not a threatening player at all to scum, why was he killed? To "confirm" your story.

[DrippingGoofball]

No, I got a result PM stating that zor is town. I don't have a cop role.

Is what confirms me. Om nom is not a JOAT, he was a vengeful lover. Unless you think that this game is bastard, Om nom is town and would have no reason to lie about me being town. In fact, he believed to his core that I was scum until the new day, pushing really really hard for my lynch.

The recruited JOAT sent a misleading message on Night 2 after you recruited him.

[DrippingGoofball]

Dram didn't catch me in a lie.

I believe that he did.

He didn't claim, but he said he caught you in a lie.

You on the other hand, are pretending that there is a reason why you should go last. If you are a weak Hated Mafiate, and you pretended to have a power that belonged to your dead JOAT scumbuddy, I believe you have no other power.

You are merely scheming for dram to show his had before you show yours.

[DrippingGoofball]

you have no power to make me do so.

Well let's see.

I vote you.

You're at L-1. The other scum comes, hammers you. It's now 3 townies vs. 1 scum at night, and the next day, we're 2 townies vs. 1 scum.

Your scum faction loses no matter what.

[DrippingGoofball]

Om nom got a RESULT PM, he didn't get a "message PM" or whatever it was the JOAT sent. I assume there is a pretty big difference and that Om knows the difference.

You claimed to have gotten a joat message before, right? What did it look like?

I won't speculate on whether Om would know the difference. He might not. Your assumption that there would be a BIG difference is just an assumption.

If you want to speculate, maybe the JOAT could fake-confirm another player in his arsenal, and that was the most valuable power he had, and used it on Night 2, after you recruted him..

[DrippingGoofball]

DGB: Right before D6 ended you said "Zoidberg is scum but noone believes me".

Now you're tunneling on zoraster. Why the change?

Dram says he caught zoraster in a lie.

Zoraster is refusing to fully claim.

You sent me another dicktext, and you didn't kill me.

All of this.

[DrippingGoofball]

I can't decide if I love a game where town has to be smart enough to lynch a townie in late game or hate it.

When I first brought up your Hated status yesterday, your reaction was that you didn't want to consider it.

See that's another thing that bugs. You kept in the background the whole game, low-key, and YOU never said, hey guys, I need to be lynched. WHY

[DrippingGoofball]

@ zoraster

You claimed

Hated Townie

, correct?

I read this in the Wiki:

It is debatable whether it is better to not claim Hated Townie. By not claiming you are opening yourself up to getting run up to L-1 and thus unexpectedly lynched; by claiming you are making yourself a policy lynch on the Day before LyLo.

Do you have an opinion?

Sorry, I really have meant to get to this.

An opinion? considered it and rejected.

[DrippingGoofball]

Well, I'm not scum, so someone with a role is missing a piece of the puzzle, or lying.

[DrippingGoofball]

On a dgb vs zoid scale I prefer lynching dgb.

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Wrong decision

[DrippingGoofball]

If you look at all the in-game evidence, you have to reckon that it's virtually impossible for me to be mafia.

Which leaves you only with the SK option. I don't know how I could ever prove that I'm not that. But I'm not.

[DrippingGoofball]

If your role PoE in end game leads to me as scum... then someone is being untruthful and is gambiting.

[DrippingGoofball]

there is no compromise. either we get this right: 2 for 2 AND iec gets jailkeeper (or RB or vigilante) tonight or we lose.

And jailkeeps the right person.

Because if you're alive tomorrow, we lose.

[DrippingGoofball]

I still think that with the powers in the scumteam, a Hated Mafiate is a very likely balancing scenario.

[DrippingGoofball]

The bookie might have netted extra kills.

We know that a Mafia Governor is equal to one free kill.

A Hated Mafiate balances this extra mafia kill nicely.

[DrippingGoofball]

From all the roles that are out, and the claims we've had today, there is nothing, nothing at all that makes this a balanced game with the scum getting an extra kill.

OH WHICH REMINDS ME

One night, there were 3 kills with two scum factions alive.

NO ONE CLAIMED THIS

Therefore, someone is lying 100%

[DrippingGoofball]

NIGHT 4

Pretentiousdra [Neil Patrick Harris], Cop, was stabbed in the back with a bladed dildo N4
DeltaWave [Yaweh Adonai Frankenstein Jehovah G-d Smith IV Esq.], Dreaming God, was shot in His Heavenly Face N4
Wyrd [Ronald Reagan], Mafia Governor, was stabbed in his stupid fascist gut N4

The vig was dead. What's this 3 kills in one night business?

[DrippingGoofball]

one of the JoAT's powers? a second mafia kill? it's an interesting question.

That would give the Mafia not one, but TWO extra kills.

I'm looking at all the town roles... I don't see many ways to balance this.

[DrippingGoofball]

Two extra Mafia kills, a vig, and a SK. That's a lot of shooting power pointing at the town.

That's why I think it would be balanced by a player that is more vulnerable to the town's power, the lynch.

A Hated Mafiate.

[DrippingGoofball]

wait how?

(1) The Governor governs a scumbag, we have to waste a day lynching the same scumbag while the scum gets another night of mayhem.
(2) There's a night with an extra kill, and we know there was no more vig.
(3) We don't know what the bookie could have earned. I hope not free kills.

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no no i mean where's the first extra kill?

The Governor. It's like an extra night.

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...complete with vigilante kill, investigations, etc. not the same as an extra kill.

Extra night = extra kill.

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...complete with vigilante kill, investigations, etc. not the same as an extra kill.

And they had a roleblocker and possibly the JOAT protected Ythan from the inevitable vig shot.

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which still isn't the same, though the fact there were only two deaths N1 and 2 suggests that quilford didn't shoot or was blocked in some manner.

I don't expect to convince

you

.

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Could also be a dreaming god ability for all we know.

Delta Wave didn't kill himself...

And that would be yet another bullet that can kill a townie.

Without zoraster Hated Mafiate, the game would be balanced like a guaranteed scum win within 4 days.

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Zoidberg cant be mafia

Why not?

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If we don't lynch zoraster, we're screwed.

A Hated Townie that planned for the long game and refused to discuss his hated status yesterday when I brought it up?

Look at his voting record. Except for Jacob Savage, ALL zoraster's votes are on scum.

Wyrd.

Thunderhog.

JacobSavage (easily justified).

SPB again.

That is not natural voting.

I waited until day 2 because I had no reads and my role PM didn't actually say that I would be confirmed to my target, just that SOMEONE would be. And I only had the one shot power, so as long as I lived to N2 it'd work.
SPB.

Come on... No day 1 reads? Zoraster used the Night 1 recruit's JOAT power to confirm himself to Om, then the scum killed Om.

PLEASE USE LOGIC.

Why would a role say "someone will be confirmed to your target." ??????????????????????????????

On what basis is that confirmee selected????? Then it turns out to be YOU????

This is a FAKE confirmation.

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Short Version
1. Dram targeted TheTrollie N6, and he only targeted TheTrollie N6. Dram is lying, my action was messed with, or dram's action was messed with.
2. One of the unflipped scum may be a ninja.

TheTrollie died N6, right????

Am I missing something?

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Logic here should tell you that a townie confirming me as town from the mod assures that I am town.

That's what you hope for.

Om never gave the wording of the message.

YOU are cornered scum.

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Really, I was mostly just bullshitting to put dram in an awkward position,

yeah, and that and the claim stalling.

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Do we have any evidence of any action having been redirected?

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[paranoia]Could Iecerint-scum have an occasional redirection in his nightly arsenal? Because if there was a consecrated redirector, we'd have seen evidence of it already.[/paranoia]

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could, but as he's pretty much provided us our only proactive way of winning (as opposed to praying for cross kills), we're kind of left with no choice.

[raving insanity]So say we'd have some evidence that he

may

be scum, we'd let him live because if he's not he's our only pro-active way of winning so we have no choice....[/raving insanity]

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Right now I think the most likely scenario is DGB-mafia

You didn't read the game if you even remotely believe this to be a possibility.

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because if dgb is town, then there isn't a redirector

I'm town.

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because if dgb is town, then there isn't a redirector, in which case dram and zoid will be free to shoot each other.

HEY.

If you think lynching a townie is the best idea.

WHY NOT LYNCH YOU?

You know you're a townie, right?

And you know you're a

Hated

townie, right?

So if your calculations suggest we need to lynch a townie, you should self vote.

But you won't because you're scum.

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Further.

We're on Day 7, and I spent 80% of the game on everyone's shit list, and with the scum trying to lynch me.

No one has found me to be targeting anything at night. I'm no redirector.

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Mod: In the hypothetical case of only an SK and a mafia member alive, would it be a draw or who would win? Also, can we get a vote count just 'cuz?

WHO CARES which SCUM FACTION wins????

YOU DO

WHY

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The whole point is that scum have scum narrowed down for them, so they shoot each other.

Aren't SKs traditionally BP??????

ZORASTER IS SCUM

PEOPLE

WHY DO YOU NOT SEE THE OBVIOUS

==================

He wants to lynch a townie on the remote chance that there is some sort of redirection - and I'm thinking - maybe, maybe, maybe, MAYBE if there is a redirector, why can't it be zoraster?

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The crosskill deam is just a fantasy if the SK is BP.

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The SK being potentially being BP is actually a fairly good point, though. Still, in the event we lynch town, it is the only hope.

Zorasterscum is still thinking we ought to lynch a townie and hope for crosskills because that's our only hope.

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For a guy was was hardly present all game, zoraster now seems to pick up the red phone whenever someone posts.

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Are you fine with, or do you WANT Zoid first.
For reasons I stated earlier, we should lynch DGB before zoid, because she could be either.

Zoraster is scum, man.

You ought to know there is no way I'm scum with Wyrd or SPB. I'll accept that you might consider SK because nothing rules it out. But mafia? Please.

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What worries me is an ability to pass on a message that could be misleading.

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Do you think that Om, who was screaming for my lynch the day before, would be likely to misread a PM and just assume I was town?

Om is seven years old.

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by the way, waiting on a response from the mod for something else right now.

Is that a question about some pressing concern you have about scum vs. SK winning, that you shouldn't care about if you were town, which you are not?

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i know all this number stuff goes over your head or you just don't care, DGB, but that question had a purpose for town. But no, this question is highly relevant to town. or at least it may be depending on the answer.

It's not relevant to town in the least. It's relevant to scum. Which is what zoraster is.

If zoraster were town, he would have reminded us to lynch you yesterday, instead of brushing me off categorically when I brought it up.

He is scum and his primary objective is to survive to end game.

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Zoraster is sounding desperate.

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MOD: Who wins in the case of SK vs. Mafia as the only ones left alive?

Zoraster pretends not to know this depends on what powers each have left...

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my private one

Oh and there's a private question. Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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Any hopes of X-kills are mitigated by the fact that if Ice is town, probably both scumzors are going to take a shot at him.

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I can determine how to proceed.

Guys we're not going to let the scum determine how we're going to proceed, are we?

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Guys I'm all alone duking it with the obv scum.

HALP

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TL;DR

(1) Zoraster flew under the radar all game and suddenly now he's interested and every second post is his.
(2) He voted seldom, but all his votes were on scum, and one quasi-scum. That is un-natural.
(3) He categorically refused to discuss his possible lynch yesterday in light of his claimed Hated status.
(4) He's obsessing about which scum faction is going to win, something no townie should care about.
(5) He's sending secret questions to the mod, why would a townie do this?
(6) There are too many possible flaws in his so-called "town-confirmation" - such as the confirmation on Day 3 when it should have been Day 2, post Traitor-recruitment, the killing of OmNom to seal the deal on the next night, his fake surprise that HE was so-called confirmed to OmNom when his fakeclaim says that the confirmed player's indentity is unknown.
(7) Zoraster is clever enough to invent a Hated status to avoid X-kills from the other scum faction.
(8) The "confirmed townie" who couldn't be bothered ALL GAME, now tries to take control of the game.
(9) The scum team with its extra kill Night 4, the Governor that gives the scum another night of kills, and the Bookie which may or may not have netted more NKs, is grossly overpowered, something that a Hated Mafiate fixes.

Please someone read the above and confirm that I'm not crazy.

Thank you.

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If we lose because Om is terrible at reading Mod messages, that is an interesting story for me to tell my grandchildren, so I am not really worried about Zora being scum.

Unless Reck games have a history of mod-lies or something.

Take your blinders off, Ice.

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Scum can't leave Iecerint alive if he's not scum so the correct play is for

both scums

to shoot Iecerint down. No-lynching today would pretty much mean that we'd be {two townies, two scums} tomorrow, without Iecerint (assuming Iecerint-town). If zoraster isn't lying about Hated status, town loses regardless of zoraster's alignment.

I think the correct play here is to lynch zoraster.

Chances are 100% that he's lying, 95% that he's scum, and in the off-chance that he's not scum, we still need to lynch him.

With this play, best case scenario, we should have a 3-player end game with one scum, or 4-player end game with one scum if Iecerint jailkeeps properly (in which case the town wins). Worst case scenario, we have a 3-player end game with two scums, or a 4-player end game with two scums but AT LEAST we're not end gaming with a HATED player. This last situation is inevitable if we no-lynch. Lynching zoraster considerably brightens our prospects.

Zoraster-town ought to agree with that, but he won't because he's scum.

@ dramonic - can you check my calculations for accuracy?

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The issue I have with that plan DGB is that it leaves a larger pool of suspect for the OTHER scum.

Explain?

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Also, are there any compelling reasons NOT to lynch zoraster?

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VOTE: zoraster

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We'll at least know if he's telling the truth about the "Hated" part.

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I've ripped my Master's degree out of the frame, and I'm putting this game in!

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3. Good game DGB. Did you actually believe I was scum or were you playing the "DGB is always super nuts" card?

As soon as my name came up as a possible lynch that last day, I lunged for the "easy" target;

the confirmed townie with a perfect scum-voting record

. I thought if I massaged the game enough, the other scum would hammer, or see that I would hammer, and let them put in the first vote.

When Iecerint said that dram had targeted Trollie (THE GUY *I* KILLED), I knew he was scum. When I saw that you were an Informed Townie enabler, I knew dramonic was 100% town and I was hoping that Iece wouldn't pick up on it, and shoot dramonic.

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Iece, your play was damn impressive. You lost due to some wonky mechanics stuff, but your play was great.

What and I get no compliments from the mod?

My ego needs stroking like everybody else!

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we both nominated you for the best 3rd party scummie

OMG OMG OMG

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that completely-bullshit statistics crap

That was an honest attempt to find scum, actually.

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A funny thing in the scum QT is them marveling at my bad reads and putting almost the whole scum team in my town column. I actually inverted most of my reads while trying to remain credible to avoid the scum shooting me and finding out I'm BP.

It earned me a vig shot! Hahahahaha.

I was certain that the whole scum team knew I was BP-SK starting Day 2 and was going after me. That became a big part of the reason I was NK'ing players that suspected me - I thought they were scum. Then later in game I assumed that the remaining scum was toying with me and needed my NK to the extent that I was telegraphing my night targets to the mafioso to avoid killing the same player.

I actually didn't figure out that Iece was the mafioso until the last day, but my priority was NK'ing and lynching townies because I desperately needed the scum kill at night. I put it together on the last day when Iecerint suggested that dram targeted Trollie and there was BS about ninjas, re-directors, and double RBs (the fakeclaim even suggested that he was the redirector) - but I couldn't talk about my inside knowledge and everyone thought Iece was the savior with his JK. I tried lynching Zoidberg and failed before, so I wasn't going to go that path again, I was too chummy with dram to turn on him at the last minute, which left zoraster who had some exploitable mistakes, including only voting scum, hahaha, and was Hated.

I'm really shocked at UNTARGETED I was left the entire game, given how many people wanted to lynch me. Except for the vig shot and a couple of dicktexts, no one touched me.

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but yeah thanks for the game + well done dgb

Thanks <3 I was so excited I barely slept all night!

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THE

FUCK

WAS

ON

HER

ASS

EVERY

GODDMAN

DAY

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, that doesn't count.

You were scum, and you thought I was town.

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Icerint not following through on DGB-SK is unacceptable. We made it pretty clear in the QT that DGB is the SK, DGB shot us ONCE ALREADY AND WOULD TRY AGAIN, and that DGB needed to be a lynch priority if ever a good opportunity arose.

"Matt get your ass in gear once

DGB flips tow

n our days our numbered, and Iec can only last so long alone "
"

Whoever

the SK is we KNOW they tried to kill me N2"

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Also dgb check your pm

checked and answered

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trolled the town into lynching the serial killer

That was memorable.

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I think the members of SlumberPartyBois were rather successful at creating a hydra with "one voice."

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the more I think about the ending of this game, the more I realize how much I enjoyed it and how I wish I hadn't given the impression I had anything other than a lot of fun.

Phew! I would hope that you're not angry with me!

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SORE LOSER DETECTED

BAD SPORSTMANSHIP ALERT

[DrippingGoofball]

Let's not forget:

kill kuribo
act suspicious enough that the other faction doesn't shoot you at night, but not suspicious enough to actually get lynched
guessing who the other faction might NK so that you don't both shoot the same player and screw up the numbers
start massaging lynches weeks ahead of time
unlynchables get NK'd, hard lynches get priority, easy lynches are kept on the backburner for endgame
annihilate the other faction, but keep one alive to LyLo to help with the NKs
start out trying to lynch scum, but when there's only one left, go after townies only
exploit the site meta of no NK-speculation to NK your enemies with impunity
when POE finally points to you as scum, steer the lynch of the confirmed townie instead
kill the last scum

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the vig + bg also did stupid things with their roles and died well before then

Vig could have been RB'd or I could have been doc'd so that wasn't so dumb, at least he shot scum.

But the BG protecting unclaimed scum instead of the claimed cop or other power roles... that's beyond the pale.

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Vig could have been RB'd or I could have been doc'd so that wasn't so dumb, at least he shot scum.

i meant not vigging ythan.

Oh yeah. that...

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i meant not vigging ythan.

Oh yeah, that.

TROLL FOUND

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Forty six year old Canadian beta found

I'm even older than that, troll.