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Posted: **Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:25 am**

No, I read it and understand it all - thanks.

Minimal [3/5] - Majiffy, DCLXVI, Mac
DCLXVI [2/5] - Human Destroyer, buldermar
buldermar [1/5] - orcinus_theoriginal
orcinus_theoriginal [1/5] - Minimal

Abstained (Not Voting): pirate mollie, fferyllt

Posted: **Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:27 am**

In post 248, buldermar wrote:
In post 205, Majiffy wrote:
In post 204, pirate mollie wrote:well I had you as town but now I am not so sure given your retarded history when you are scum. I think buldey is town as well as orci as well as fery

so what have you managed to come up with
Retarded history?

HD and Orci hard town. DCL probable scum.

Explain your bulder and fery reads?
Alright Majiffy is perfectly in line with my thoughts, which usually means he's town.

So, probably town:
HD, Majiffy

Probably scum: DCL

Posted: **Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:28 am**

In post 399, fferyllt wrote:What does "I agree ff looks scummy" actually mean?

What was the context of that comment? I'm pretty sure it wasn't some universal statement but coined on something rather specific.

Posted: **Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:34 am**

Only one of the posts I highlighted came before 248.

What do you make of Mac's post 309

p-edit it was your post 320 in reply to Mac and it was in the context of my not having a lot of reads, i.e. fencesitting.

Posted: **Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:55 am**

VC, holy crap. Sorry for not updating my VCs guys. Im going to have more free time shortly.

Posted: **Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:19 am**

Reviewing Minimal's section of the thread doesn't take long.

She voted Orci. He asked why the vote using her main acct name. This was the answer.

In post 107, Minimal wrote:lol Jiffy,

and I actually have no reason, my personal play has no impact on what I am going to do in this Hydra. Don't call me by my main

"no reason COMMA personal play has no impact etc.

Tying the lack of reason to hydra-specific play just looks weird, and that's totally aside from her argument that using personal meta to read her as a hydra will be error prone and at least by implication antitown.

In post 114 it's "We are Minimal, address us as such". And that's what drew Orcinus' vote.

Majiffy comments on the hydra "we", and Minimal backs off.

This is really the only substantive post that Minimal has made:

In post 145, Minimal wrote:I mean vote. I feel that HD's vote on you was opportunistic at best I don't see how DC's FoS was forced in anyway, and his concern of the wagon status makes me think town. I also think Orci's stance in regards to me as town as well.

I don't think nothing to DC's vote, as his on you doesn't seem serious at the slightest, though his vote on me can easily be a sheeping townie.

as for the town motivations of asking you to not read me as my main Orci, is simple. Doing as such will very likely cause an inaccurate read on me. As I stated, I'm shifting my play so that the posts made are fairly in synch. I will post my personal reads as needed, though I will probably me more likely to have a shared read posted.

HD's joke vote on Majiffy was "opportunistic at best" - I disagree. It's a huge stretch to call that vote opportunistic.

DC's L-1 vote is characterized as a "sheeping townie". Maybe so.

The final paragraph strikes me in several different ways. I'm actually curious to see if it's even possible for someone to consistently play outside their meta. Makes me wonder how she defines "meta", tbh.

And that's it. Fade to black. And with any luck the thread will have moved far beyond this initial L-1 bandwagon by the time Minimal returns.

It's a thin wispy case. Reading it as it happened, I felt good about my vote. Disappearing under L-1 pressure is kind of odd.

Revieiwing the DCL stuff now.

Posted: **Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:07 am**

In post 403, fferyllt wrote:What do you make of Mac's post 309

I think it could come from either alignment.

Posted: **Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:09 am**

In post 405, fferyllt wrote:"no reason COMMA personal play has no impact etc.

Tying the lack of reason to hydra-specific play just looks weird, and that's totally aside from her argument that using personal meta to read her as a hydra will be error prone and at least by implication antitown.

I agree with this.

Posted: **Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:10 am**

In post 405, fferyllt wrote:HD's joke vote on Majiffy was "opportunistic at best" - I disagree. It's a huge stretch to call that vote opportunistic.

I agree with your perspective on this as well.

Posted: **Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:11 am**

In post 405, fferyllt wrote:I'm actually curious to see if it's even possible for someone to consistently play outside their meta.

In that case their "play outside their meta" would actually be their meta, so it's logically impossible.

Posted: **Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:13 am**

I'll consider Minimal but I'd like to hear more from Majiffy and mollie first.

Posted: **Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:21 am**

In post 403, fferyllt wrote:Only one of the posts I highlighted came before 248.

What do you make of Mac's post 309

p-edit it was your post 320 in reply to Mac and it was in the context of my not having a lot of reads, i.e. fencesitting.

I said you were looking scummy, but you had said your head wasn't in the game, so I voted Minimal. Since then, you haven't even tried to contribute to the buld v orc argument until asked.

Posted: **Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:26 am**

I'm still not contributing to that argument.

Posted: **Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:28 am**

Why not?

Pretty sure buldermar asked you too at some point.

Posted: **Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:34 am**

I probably won't even read it carefully until sometime tomorrow. Right now, I'm focusing on what catches my eye outside that mess.

I answered his questions.

Posted: **Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:35 am**

jesus christ

orc and buldey are town

I am leaning town on mac too. still leaning town on fery and majiffy

@ buldey

not that have ever fucking listened to me I am not sure you were wishing for my presence cos you have already tried to discredit me while ignoring that I am more often right than wrong I mean really let's hold mollie up to a different standard than the one we set up for ourselves! but in case you actually

do

decide to listen to me this is town orc that I am seeing he always does this stubborn tunneling when he is town. I think the roman numerals person looks squiffy as hell and that is probably where I will vote but not before a vc

@ orc

buldey is town, him doing dumb shit in rvs and doggedly trying to defend it is typical town for him. I really do think he is town.

Posted: **Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:43 am**

In post 415, pirate mollie wrote:I think the roman numerals person looks squiffy as hell and that is probably where I will vote but not before a vc

He has 2 votes. (Me and Buldey)

Posted: **Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:44 am**

DCLXVI

The FoS before vote on Minimal doesn't really bother me. What does bother me is the lack of reasoning, though given the swiftness of that wagon, the reasons may have seemed obvious.

"Didn't want to hammer without a claim" seems a little serious for a wagon that materialized in a matter of minutes. Then in post 156 he indicates that he would have posted intent to hammer if at L-1.

A serious wagon, willing to hammer, when there were still players who hadn't even posted yet strikes me as a little...hasty. So yeah, kinda scummy.

I'll review the cases other people have made.

Posted: **Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:49 am**

In post 416, Human Destroyer wrote:
In post 415, pirate mollie wrote:I think the roman numerals person looks squiffy as hell and that is probably where I will vote but not before a vc
He has 2 votes. (Me and Buldey)

okay

VOTE: DCLXVI

Posted: **Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:54 am**

What are your thoughts about Minimal?

Posted: **Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:55 am**

In post 415, pirate mollie wrote:jesus christ

orc and buldey are town

I am leaning town on mac too. still leaning town on fery and majiffy

@ buldey

not that have ever fucking listened to me I am not sure you were wishing for my presence cos you have already tried to discredit me while ignoring that I am more often right than wrong I mean really let's hold mollie up to a different standard than the one we set up for ourselves! but in case you actually
do
decide to listen to me this is town orc that I am seeing he always does this stubborn tunneling when he is town. I think the roman numerals person looks squiffy as hell and that is probably where I will vote but not before a vc

@ orc

buldey is town, him doing dumb shit in rvs and doggedly trying to defend it is typical town for him. I really do think he is town.

So Orc, I, Majiffy and fery are town. In that case this game must be pretty straight-forward for you, no?

I think I listen to you more often than not, but I do insist that when you just once in a game feel certain that a player is scum, chances are you wont feel different about that player at a later time.

I'll note that you think Orc is town. I'm still not sure about him, but it does seem odd that he'd tunnel me like this as scum.

Btw why are you leaning town on ff and Majiffy?

Posted: **Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:56 am**

DCL is at L-2 now. Given he won't be around until Friday, I'm not too excited by the prospect of him going to L-1 and staying there for a couple days.

Posted: **Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:56 am**

In post 419, fferyllt wrote:What are your thoughts about Minimal?

They are minimal

hur hur hur

Posted: **Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:57 am**

In post 419, fferyllt wrote:What are your thoughts about Minimal?

I don't like their fade. there are 2 people in that hydra but I am shelving it for now. orc can sort out the marangala half of the hydra, I think I already said this.

Posted: **Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:02 am**

In post 420, buldermar wrote:
In post 415, pirate mollie wrote:jesus christ

orc and buldey are town

I am leaning town on mac too. still leaning town on fery and majiffy

@ buldey

not that have ever fucking listened to me I am not sure you were wishing for my presence cos you have already tried to discredit me while ignoring that I am more often right than wrong I mean really let's hold mollie up to a different standard than the one we set up for ourselves! but in case you actually
do
decide to listen to me this is town orc that I am seeing he always does this stubborn tunneling when he is town. I think the roman numerals person looks squiffy as hell and that is probably where I will vote but not before a vc

@ orc

buldey is town, him doing dumb shit in rvs and doggedly trying to defend it is typical town for him. I really do think he is town.
So Orc, I, Majiffy and fery are town. In that case this game must be pretty straight-forward for you, no?

I think I listen to you more often than not, but I do insist that when you just once in a game feel certain that a player is scum, chances are you wont feel different about that player at a later time.

I'll note that you think Orc is town. I'm still not sure about him, but it does seem odd that he'd tunnel me like this as scum.

Btw why are you leaning town on ff and Majiffy?

both of those were strong first impressions but they are not my strongest town reads at the mo, but fery is stronger than majiffy. majiffy has not been back and that worries me. I have majiffy as town just from his initial post and I can't really explain it. I have fery as town for reasons I cannot explain either but mostly for both of you wanting to replace out. I don't see fery doing that in a game. both of your responses read as genuine

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