Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

bro has been at leaning scum ever since his exchange with you.
more town =/= town.

okay then why is he your 4th scumread

and you said "probably scum" which kind of says you think he is scum yeah?

not a town read

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Majiffy what do you think of doing with nacho

It involves scented candles, baby oil, and a light dimmer.

more town =/= town.

Mollie.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

it comes down to you trying to hedge your read on bro and I am just trying to understand why.

@ venny

sorry. appeal to emotions

eta: you did

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

How about we discuss the fact that we have all the support we need to lynch Nick AND THIS WAGON STILL ISN'T GETTING OFF THE GROUND.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

it comes down to you trying to hedge your read on bro and I am just trying to understand why.

I am looking at BRO, I am sorting BRO.

I don't trust ffery's read on BRO that much

, and while I also have a bit of a scumread on him it's easily the weakest of my scumreads at the moment.

I'm surprised you didn't even flinch at Mala scumread though. Do you agree with it?

okay, so why do you not trust your own read that much? cos he did something townie and then...in the space where he did not post again, you moved him back to "probably" scum but will push a nicky lynch through?

that is what does not make sense.

are you asking me if I think mala is scum?

I don't know. she is unsure for me.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

okay, so why do you not trust your own read that much?

I do. My own read is not that strong.

you moved him back to "probably" scum but will push a nicky lynch through?

I moved him from scum to probably scum when I backed off. He is still in the probably scum slot.

but you said he was he was town telling

what made you move from thinking he was town telling to "probably scum".

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

we are sticking with our nicky vote

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

not voting nick

Muffin, do me a favor.

Look at this wagon:
BROseidon, Trust Fund, mastin2, Ghostlin, zMuffinMan, Aj, Andy, Nacho, BaTB, NS

How many of these people are in your scum reads?
Wait, let me answer that for you: 1

ONE PERSON. OUT OF TEN.

We have

all

the support we need to lynch a person

on your scum list.

y u no vote? Hm?

i don't currently think he's scum.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

BROseidon, Trust Fund, mastin2, Ghostlin, zMuffinMan, Aj, Andy, Nacho, BaTB, NS
How many of these people are in your scum reads?

2, with a maybe on a 3rd, and i'm also reconsidering my reads on the rest.

i still think bro is scum, but i realise i probably can't get him lynched today

i'm not as fond of trust fund as others seem to be

Who's the maybe 3rd?

Also please explain what happened between these posts;

and so i'm left with: aj, mala, nick, venmar

I'm not currently reading nick or venmar as scum and I'm wavering on mala.

and the only reason i'm not avidly defending nick right now is because i'm not completely sure he's town.

what i'm still trying to figure out is why the nick wagon stalled d1 when it was competing with the rm wagon (i have a couple theories regarding this, but they require me being wrong about a couple of my town reads) and whether the interactions with rm makes sense as scum-scum interactions (i'm currently thinking no)

I went down to the store and got you something

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

reading isos.

Weak.

You know where you went wrong? When you stopped scumreading nick.

if nick is town, what do you make of the wagon stalling when it was in competition with the rm wagon?

I need the wagon to go through before any meaningful analysis can be made.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

If you consider the possibility that you're wrong and help me figure out what nick being town means for the rest of the game, then I will consider the possibility I'm currently over-thinking things.

How about we go with the more likely and logical answer that nick is scum, and

if

he flips town we can consider the implications.

I need the wagon to go through before any meaningful analysis can be made.

[7] RachMarie (zMuffinMan, Andrius, Desperado, Aj The Epic, Nachomamma8, TiphaineDeath, Ghostlin)
[5] nickthename (mastin2, notscience, BeautyAndTheBeast, Faster Than Light, Mutleyddmc)
[3] Andrius (Trust Fund, Malakittens, RachMarie)
[2] mastin2 (BROseidon, nickthename)
[1] BROseidon (Sound of Silence)
[1] Mutleyddmc (Saki)
[1] TiphaineDeath (Venmar)

[1] Not Voting (Mac)

You were dropped on your head as a child, weren't you?

If I scumread people that are popular scum reads it will be called sheeping or just trying to create a counter wagon, and if I scumread people that aren't popular lynch targets they'll just be ignored

Have you tried scumreading scumreads? That tends to be the most... oh, what's the word I'm looking for?

Genuine

town attitude.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

[Nick's] been really quiet and snippy with people like Mastin, which makes me wonder if he's trying to coast and hope the wagon'll go away or what.

I've been quiet mostly because it's pretty clear no one is planning on listening to what I have to say. I can't really find any real substantiated reasons for voting me, so there's not a hell a lot of debate to be done. Most of the people that were scumreading me were initially doing so pretty lightly (from what I could tell), and they're now voting for me because it's easier than explaining why they aren't, when faced with someone loud and town like B&B. Not a hell of a lot for me to do, really. If I scumread people that are popular scum reads it will be called sheeping or just trying to create a counter wagon, and if I scumread people that aren't popular lynch targets they'll just be ignored, so there's no real reason to bother scumhunting if all my hard work is going to go for nothing. Maybe i'm just tired and I'll have more to say in the morning, I don't know.

As to mastin, his ego is just so huge that I love to take the chance to poke him.

inb4 this is AtE. Yeah, I know how pushing a lynch goes.

even if you are lynched you can still help town. town wins as a team and loses as a team. you can composite a list of your reads and things to look into. <------ that is playing to a town wc.

shutting down and doing nothing is playing to a scum 1 cos you are not providing any info through reads

or

interactions.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

How about we go with the more likely and logical answer that nick is scum

i don't think it is necessarily the most likely/logical answer

---

To those trying to argue against joining a nick wagon because he's a secondary/tertiary scum read; IT'S STILL A SCUM READ, AND THE WAGON SUPPORT IS THERE.

WHAT IS YOUR MAJOR MALFUNCTION, NUMBNUTS?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

after a good long night's sleep I am off of the nacho paranoia. he hasn't reached out to me except for that 1 time but he definitely reached out to sound and actively worked with them on reads. he is town and will everyone remind me of this when I start to eat paranoia flakes again.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

since you are not on gchat and I can't talk to you

MAJIFFY WILL YOU PRETTY PLZ WITH A KISS JUST LEAVE MUFFIN ALONE!!!!!!!!

ty

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

muffin I reached out and you did not respond

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

This is dangerous as the game drags on, but it's hardly alarm bell worthy Day 2.
...
Can we just lynch her and leave Nick for a later day

I'll let you consider the idiocy of what you've just suggested by pointing out two separate ideas in your post.

Then kindly notice all the obvtown on the nick wagon and place your vote there.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Also, it's a wagon that gives us fuck all for information. It's a shit wagon based at the very least on a few Townsfolk who feel like me that Nick's lack of interaction could mean he's scum, and scum willing to shit slide it into a Day 2 lynch.

Actually it gives us plenty of information, thanks.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

These aren't opposing ideas. And because there's obv-town there, doesn't mean Jesus's second coming has happened and they've magically become infallible. Bluntly, I'd rather not lynch a shit townie that might have an infinitesimally small chance of redemption that I'm lukewarm about as scum and would much rather lynch scum.

Is this a hard concept to understand, Bed and Breakfast?

They

are

opposing ideas. Nick hasn't given us anything in two day phases despite overwhelming support to lynch and plenty of pressure. What makes you think he's going to be come any more useful later? So you're saying it's dangerous for such a useless player to continue into late-game but you're in support of letting him hang around. That's the

definition

of opposing.

The point of having so many obv-town on the wagon is you know this is

not

a scum-pushed wagon, this is a wagon by townies for townies. That means greater chance of hitting scum.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Mala, Venmar, AJ, Mastin.

Mollie's reads may vary.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

It's a work in progress.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

We agree mostly on the majority of town reads. That's what's important in the end, anyway.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

this is a wagon by townies for townies

Who are your scum reads outside of nick?

Mala, Venmar, AJ, Mastin.

Mollie's reads may vary.

Didn't you corroborate them over night 1?

I found these questions weird freaking questions to ask.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

mollie and jiffy: Please reevaluate your read on Nick. He's town and the last time I tried to tell you that your case was weak I don't remember you responding.

it is majiffy's case and he will not give it up.

if we don't lynch him today then our vote will be tied up until nicky is lynched or dead. if I try to move our vote majiffy will just move it back.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

i don't think anyone cared about the hammer itself, more about the fact you were clearly still following the thread but not posting content... which i mentioned... and you never really addressed.

I followed vote-counts near deadline. I hammered b/c I didn't think anyone else would and I was going to sleep.

you never addressed his point here.

you were following and posting on other parts of the site but showed up for a lynch.

and did not show up for the intermediate terms.

there is a whole space missing.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

mollie and jiffy: Please reevaluate your read on Nick. He's town and the last time I tried to tell you that your case was weak I don't remember you responding.

Probably responded the same way I'm going to now: No.

if I try to move our vote majiffy will just move it back.

Goddamn right.

Majiffy, can you quote what you feel is representative of your case on Nick?

Jesus fucking christ not for the 30,000th time, no.

I'm tired of re-iterating for idiots who don't read the first fifty fucking times.

CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN TO ME WHY WE HAVE 10 PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT LYNCHING NICK IN SOME WAY AND YET FOR SOME FUCKING GOD AWFUL REASON THIS WAGON STILL HASN'T HAPPENED?

SOMEONE.

ANYONE.

FUCKING SERIOUSLY.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Jesus fucking christ not for the 30,000th time, no.

I'm tired of re-iterating for idiots who don't read the first fifty fucking times.

That's the thing though. I looked and all I saw was your inability to get a wagon on nick going as somehow evidence that he's scum. I'm talking about actual reasons nick is scum.

Read harder because I had reasons looooong before the nick wagon - or lack thereof - was even a thing.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I'm done answering stupid questions.

This includes questions requiring me to repeat myself more than once.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Majiffy why are you so sexy

plz don't encourage him


I don't want to lynch nicky anymore

UNVOTE: nicky

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Mollie ynot

I want nicky to freaking post his reads and get back in the game and town tell otherwise majiffy will pursue him to the ends of the earth.

nicky is around, there is no excuse for him not getting active.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Mollie ynot

I want nicky to freaking post his reads and get back in the game and town tell otherwise majiffy will pursue him to the ends of the earth.

nicky is around, there is no excuse for him not getting active.

Bed and Breakfast, why don't you get your hydra heads shit together and get back with us on a candidate for lynch you actually sodding agree with? This back and forth is fucking annoying, and is making your slot The Load of this game.

mebbe you could push your OWN scumread?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Mollie ynot

I want nicky to freaking post his reads and get back in the game and town tell otherwise majiffy will pursue him to the ends of the earth.

nicky is around, there is no excuse for him not getting active.

Bed and Breakfast, why don't you get your hydra heads shit together and get back with us on a candidate for lynch you actually sodding agree with? This back and forth is fucking annoying, and is making your slot The Load of this game.

mebbe you could push your OWN scumread?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Can't your hear how anti-town that is?

Anti-town, but not scum. Try again.

Yeah, that's why I called it anti-town, instead of calling it scum. I have an interest in other people playing in a pro-town way, so I called them out on it.

[sarcasm] And utter resignation is the most protown way to deal with that.[/sarcasm]

Come fucking on. Even if you are today's play, you should give us reads or something actionable. Shit, Nick

not

posting is almost making me feel Majiffy has a point.

Chill, I went to a waterpark today. I highly recommend it. Rereading now.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

HEM HEM

VOTE: Nick
Anyone with half a brain that has played at least a handful of games on this site really should be voting nick for obviously scummy behavior.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I went to a waterpark today. I highly recommend it. Rereading now.

are you rereading the entire thread or something? it's taking a while

I honestly think he is trying to lurk out his lynch and hope everyone moves on to someone else. sort of what rach did yesterday.

thinking about aj's case on nicky and nicky dismissed when I said I had meta on him but then he later appeals to me by saying, "well I thought mollie would know but I guess not" so which is it.

I was hoping to give him some space in order to get his act together but that does not look like it going to happen.

our vote is staying where it is.

@ mac

why aren't you working with us? you know how this goes otherwise the lynches get split and town does something stupid. we have already agreed to help sort mala out tomorrow so you help us with nicky today?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

yes. we are gonna have to sort mastin too. I said I would him leave him be until d3 to get busy and so far I am underwhelmed.

mebbe we need to do a bit of dancing.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Nick, finish your Mala case. This thing needs train needs steam.

BnB,

I hope you can respect the logic Nick is working with in regards to lots of people supporting a Mala lynch but not putting a vote there

. You're a strong voice, and so I'd like to have you with us on this.

People who haven't been active, please get in this fucking game.

-V

you have got to be fucking kidding me. nicky parroted majiffy's case on him wtf is wrong with you.

varsoon you said no MOAR GAMBITS.

and I am certainly not going along with a gambit that involves lynching a player over our top scumread.

@ mala

I am going to get close to mastin if he will let me. that is simply all there is to it.

@ nacho

not feeling it this game

@ andy

where are you? you called for me on d1 but when it came time to interact you were not around. why is that?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

muffin what can I do

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Zmuffin, would you support a Mala lynch, then?

i'll tell you at a later juncture if a mala wagon becomes relevant.

muffin what can I do

who do you think is scum if nick is town?

I would look at who jumped on and who stayed off. and for the reasons they gave. I know this might not be what you want to hear but I would need to do a hard reset if he flipped town.

I think the biggest thing would be to wrap my mind around the town shaped hole that is in this day round.

mac still feels town to me. you feel town, but the spectrum of players I want to pull in is small compared to where they are floating on the edges and it shouldn't feel that way. ns is obviously town and when I get in that small space of who to mebbe draw in, mastin may feel that way, mebbe mala, mebbe aj, mebbe nacho. mebbe ghostlin. I am also paranoid about all of those players.

I feel like at this point we should be closing scum's options by giving them less room to hide and it is a matter of town finding town but why does it seem so hard, you know?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

^accidently hit submit.

I'd like to see an alternate theory from you on how two deaths happened last night in a game where the mod has confirmed that the only two factions in the game are town and ONE scumteam.

And then if you manage that tell me the scum motivation behind killing saki who might as well have had "free fucking mislynch here" painted on his forehead.

scum team + sk is sometimes not considered multi-ball.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Majiffy y u no think i am town

cos you aren't.

you are hitting all of the wrong notes and you just....aren't.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

mutley if you nked ftl I am pretty sure you would be given another pass. just saying

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

mutley if you nked ftl I am pretty sure you would be given another pass. just saying

muttley is supposedly 1-shot (which is why i think if he's town, the way he used this shot was atrocious)

tell me more

who would you have used it on

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

mutley if you nked ftl I am pretty sure you would be given another pass. just saying

Seriously?

Okay, fine, BnB. Keep talking about finding town, keep posturing and mouthing off and all of that.

I'm working cognitive gears,

I'm coming up with ways to confirm people without lynching/killing them

, and I'm actually doing it.

If your criticism is going to boil down to calling me stupid and asking someone to kill me,

then please keep it to yourself

.

GHOSTLIN, JOIN ME ON MY WILD RIDE?
VOTE FOR MALA WITH ME AND PUSH THIS WAGON INTO THE SUNSET~
-V

why isn't mala considered "people"?

cos last I checked you sure were interested in killing her.

and nobody is calling you stupid

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

saki was obvtown after rm flip due to thezmon's interactions with rm. i had some issues with thezmon d1 before i knew rm was scum, but after the flip, no. that was just a bad shot, even if a saki kill would otherwise be a joyous event worthy of celebration.

who i would have used the shot on (assuming i'm muttley, and not me, because i would have killed muttley)? any of the low content posters from d1 that make sense as scum with rm. bro would obviously be my first choice here. if that wasn't already blatantly obvious.

okay I get you. I really get you

eta: xpost, erm no. I haven't seen really where these gambits have actually worked.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Majiffy y u no think i am town

cos you aren't.

you are hitting all of the wrong notes and you just....aren't.

PM

Hey PM

NOBODY ASKED YOU

I missed this earlier!

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

varsoon <3

I am not a fan of gambits as you know cos of the first xeno game. i think the biggest reason they are a bad idea is cos they give scum room to hide.

you say you don't want to lynch nicky over mala cos you like nicky. I say nicky is lurking the shit out of this game so why are you ignoring this? we play to our wc and can you tell me with a straight face that you are paving the way for that?

so instead of coming up with some brilliant plan that most certainly did not work out the last time can we plz just lynch scummy nicky?

@ mala

aaaaaand you are looking town. we are not ignoring you, I think you are ignoring other people cos you are not reaching out and I think that is what is doing you the biggest harm. rach was a scumread for a lot of people and she flipped scum. so mebbe instead of taking the approach of "people were ignoring my reads on d1, so why would they listen to me now" mebbe you can accept that they followed a scumread that yielded results and that it is d2 now and your reads still matter?

re: mastin. plz don't interfere with how I sort people cos I am not just wanting to sort mastin's alignment, I would like to get to know him as a player. you think I am ignoring you and I am not, I am just thinking of different things. I want to get close to mastin.

@ mac

your post to ftl about hydra dissonance was a bit disconcerting and it was the first time you made me go :/. I guess cos I think we are the textbook defo of hydra dissonance but it certainly is not intentional.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

@tf you have faded in the background...what gives?

plz come baaaaaaaack

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

This guy knows what's up.

Oh wait, it's venmar.

O well, I still agree with him here, still think he might be scum.

You're obviously sexist

inb4korts

I still like the nick wagon. The amount of pushing BnB had to do to get the wagon off the ground, despite plenty of people nominally calling nick scum, is suspect.

No fucking shit.

His read list is meh; it's a lot of regurgitating what other people have said, and it's incredibly hedged (a lot of "seem" and "feel" type language).

No fucking shit.

Best alternative is Mala wagon. I think they're hard-bussing at this point because their both caught, because holy fuck Mala has not done a single town-thing this game. The way she tried to derail the Rach wagon yesterday was beyond horrific. Venmar is also a good alternative because he did much of the same bullshit with the Rach wagon.

No fucking shit (cont.)

Of course, the post where he provided reads was good

No. Try again.

Brainstorming gambits.

Varsoon

wot r u doin


Varsoon





Stahp.

BnB, I hope you can respect the logic Nick is working with in regards to lots of people supporting a Mala lynch but not putting a vote there. You're a strong voice, and so I'd like to have you with us on this.

... Can we lynch Nick first? I've got a lot of reads riding on this flip.

Mollie, is that all there is to your reaction to my posts? I put a lot of work into them, I expected you guys to have at least some more creative ways to call me scum, lest you actually reconsider your reads, but whatever. I need to go to bed, I'll finish my Mala case tomorrow.

Your reads looked skin-thick-faked-scum-followy-bullshit.

Tell me more about the work you put in.

this game makes me sad

The only thing we have to feel is feel itself.

^ That's Majiffy with his Nick wagon.

ROFL

I think the biggest thing would be to wrap my mind around the town shaped hole that is in this day round.

yesssss

Majiffy y u no think i am town

Venmar y u no vote nick

B&B, my gambit confirms alignments on Nacho, Nick, Mala, and potentially more.

You know what works better than half-cocked-know-they're-coming gambits? Lynching all 3 of those slots. Cuz that's totally cool with me.

all Majiffy is doing is stuffing it down people's throats

Blame it on Mollie, I've got a lot of backlogged semen here.

I'm sorry, but every time someone says FTL I think for the lose

Pretty accurate depiction of the slot.

a lynch on Nick only provides us with Nick's Alignment. That's it

You are officially marked for powerlynch if Nick flips scum.

saki was obv annoying poster that just annoyed. Worth blowing my whole load on him

what a fool he was!

if only he had studied your posts, and learned not to be an obv annoying poster that just annoyed.

At this point I don't even.

please start do evening.

You're so fucking town it hurts.

My mic/recording quality so shit.

-V

You don't say...

Dude... Compressor. Learn how to use one. Then compress the shit out of yourself.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

My gambit from the first game caught 2 as scum, inadvertently.


Big post coming soon.

no it didn't. you said what gained from your gambit in the first xeno was that buldey of the 2 hydra was town and you were wrong. you kept stalling that freaking lynch the entire day round because of it.

I am glad you are at least entertaining the idea that nicky is scum cos I am pretty sure he is,

he is actively lurking which is a huge scumtell

. I am not about to support a lynch over a player I am leaning town on just cos "you like nicky". I like nicky too and I like mala and even if I did not like a player I would still want either of those 2 lynched over the person I didn't like if I thought 1 of them is scum and the other person was town. that is playing to your wc.

I like nicky even though I am pretty sure he is still mad at my horrendous modding in skype mafia and me letting him sort of kind of

accidentally

letting him get "strategically" lynched when I was an sk.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Here "mutant" is a codeword for "dick."

Seriously Varsoon just asked for my opinions, so I gave them. You even "no fucking shit" me on something that nobody else points out (the hedged language).

I don't think it was meant to call you stupid or anything bro, I think it is just that he feels that these are obvious things that people not only you should be picking up and they aren't. I don't think it was meant to be insulting.

I am so happy that majiffy has gotten a town read on muffin it seriously warms my heart.

moving bro to official town now.

eta: xpost, if it did it only did that for you after you finally caved in and lynched your town read close to deadline so that we would have a lynch. I am sorry, but nobody else used your gambit cos it didn't yield any useful results for them. we are pushing for nicky cos we are scum reading him.

oh and I lost all doubt that mac is town now.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

oh and I lost all doubt that mac is town now.

is this a good or bad thing? i'm being a bit dense

your town

re: hydra dissonance - I was talking about majiffy and I, not you and I. you and I don't ever really have any dissonance I mean people cannot even tell us apart.

@ nicky

we promised to help sort mala in the next day round which may or may not result in lynching her.

plz make moar survivalistic posts like that it helps our case

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Biased.

Pushing your scum-read

is not survivalistic, especially when you've got good points that explain how that person is scummy.

Yeah, it's super fucking backwards that Mala was one of Nick's town reads and now she's a scum read, so I'd like to get to the bottom of that, too

.
In order to do so, we need votes, though.

read those 2 sentences a few times and then think about how mebbe I am not the 1 being biased here.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

desp you have been a non-presence why is that

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

@ mastin

okay lets get close.



I remember you reaching out on d1 and I responded but today I haven't seen that much.

when did mala have you as scum cos I missed it?

what do you see as being townier in nicky over mala?

venny is reminding me of a combo of you and ap in gears of war, what do you think?

what is tweaking you about mac?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Here "mutant" is a codeword for "dick."

Seriously Varsoon just asked for my opinions, so I gave them. You even "no fucking shit" me on something that nobody else points out (the hedged language).

MajiffyNature is in everything. Accept MajiffyNature and be at peace with your inner dick.

Also that part was still nofuckingshit worthy.

NS I need to borrow some of your no shit stickers plz thx.

@Whichever bnb head is wearing the pants at the moment
You think mala and I are both likely scum, right? You said earlier you would support a Mala lynch after i'm lynched. And varsoon says he can get strong reads or verifies off of mala's lynch before mine, so why do you want me to be lynched first? Why not just lynch mala first, and then if varsoon's thing fails to confirm me as town, lynch me then?

It seems to me that for all intents and purposes the order of Mala and I's lynch is pretty irrelevance

Except

for varsoon's gambit. With that in mind, why are you still supporting lynching me first?

1) Support is unarguably there for your lynch. And yet your wagon is stalling. Which is suspect.
2) I have a lot of reads leaning on your flip. Not so much with Mala's.
3) Varsoon's gambits tend to suck.

For #3354 and Mala's catch above

... You mean the catch everyone else already pointed out?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

@ mastin

you offer a compelling case for mala. she is unsure leaning town, not a solid town read.

I would hate to see the votes split and there wind up a no lynch.

I disagree with your statement that mala is actively lurking while nicky is not. both are kind of doing the beetlejuice thing, reacting to suspicion on them instead of scumhunting on their own.

however nicky only got super active when varsoon highlighted what he wanted to hear from him. what do you think about that.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

majiffy you had until i prodded my own lazy ass into gear.
that time is up.

To do what?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

1) I'm at L-1. How the hell is that stalling?
2) "Get less sucky reads." Is what I would say, but you don't even need to. Lynch mala, who is both scum and contributing nothing, and then you can use the result of Varsoon's gambit to figure out the reads. If his gambit turns out to be shit, lynch me then, and by that point my flip should be enough for you to finally start figuring things out, no?

1) Because your lynch hasn't gone through, a counterwagon has sprouted up, and all of this in spite of proven support for your lynch.
2) The lynchpin of your argument is that Varsoon's gambit is worth anything more than a piece of gum on the sidewalk. I'd rather go with the definite way to discern your alignment; lynching you.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

majiffy you had until i prodded my own lazy ass into gear.
that time is up.

To do what?

to get a lynch before i sorted this game out
but you couldn't ram it through quick enough so now we're taking the long way around

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

okay. first off I am not like 100% sure mac is town, when someone uses my read to ward off an attack it always makes me nervous. mac was scum I didn't read him correctly in poetic justice until fery outed her role and I realised majiffy was scum and that mac was likely his partner. we

do

however hydra together a good bit and it is 1 of the most seamless hydras I have ever been in and so I think I do have insight into how mac thinks. mac reached out to me

right away

and is consitently I maintain I think he would have been more hesitant to do so if he were scum but I am certainly not infallible by any stretch of the imagination

I am sometimes wrong

, in fact, frequently but then there are times when I am right too. for now I am reading/treating him as town.

nacho's post to bro about going to look when he has been scum as IC made me feel icky and I don't know what to do with that. I don't like his attack on aj either. but I like the suspicion on tf cos their fade is making me uneasy too.

bro keeps moving up up up the town tier

andy still makes me sus. I am only leaving him alone cos of nacho.

I am tired of talking about the gambit thing, I think it is based on flawed logic and won't yield good results and I am even slightly scum reading varsoon for pushing it cos he keeps providing excuses for nicky is a definite ewww. people are not assholes just cos they don't want to tie up the game with your antics. trust and confidence have to be earned and you most definitely don't have it and should probably be sus of the people who are automatically giving it to you, especially since I think mala is town telling.

@ nicky

what I know about you and what I know about mac are 2 different animals. we have only played skype mafia this is our first forum mafia game, while with mac we have played a few games and have a pretty active hydra together. the 2 don't compare so how you are even doing so is beyond me.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

ghostlin we have not interacted much what's up

mastin is voting mala so wat does that tell you

ns my love, where did you go

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Eye on the prize, town. Lets lynch nickscum and then save the dick swinging for tomorrow.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Eye on the prize, town. Lets lynch nickscum and then save the dick swinging for tomorrow.

NOT UNTIL HE PRESENTS HIS MALA CASE.

I hope you understand that behavior such as your own is the reason scum can get away with lurking wagons away.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Because quick-lynching Nick sure does get us a shitload of information.

Gives us more than a know-they're-coming gambit.

Pressuring everyone SRN to put a vote there is what lets scum get away with lurking on a wagon. If they're SRN, they instantly have alimony and can vote Nick to death. If they're TRN, they're given poise to just sit around and be all "Meeeeh, it's inevitable, why even try anything else~"

So what you're saying is that scum then follow a predictable behavior when forced to take action in a short amount of time?

Hmm... wonder what something like that would be called...

If you can somehow declare that this day would've been better if it ended 600 posts ago, then you need to re-evaluate how important all the info we've gained since then is.

For one, it'd be about 600 posts shorter, which is inherently better. Plus, I don't think anything of any real quality or substance has taken place in the past 15 pages or so.

We've gotten excellent contributions from Mastin, Nick, Nacho, Desperado, zMuffin, B&B

... Considering between Mollie and I, we've already pretty much got every name in that list locked down, sounds like you've made 600 useless shitposts.

Goddamn right.

So, why hasn't Nick been lynched yet exactly?

Because fucking retards.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

wait
mollie hasn't jumped on *NEW*SCUMANDYMETA yet?
the hell is going on[/spoiler]
intent to hammer nickthename

I already pointed it out on d1.

I am not happy with you and have stated it but I am staying away from you today cos of nacho's read and nicky. you are still quite delicious.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

okay mebbe we should get into to sort each other out

why are you so freaking defensive this game

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Probably. But given my history I'll still want you dead in a few days since I distrust the D1 mollie/ffery interactionsVOTE:

lets start here

here is where you lose me.

you think wat, that 2 players who can read each other pretty well suddenly cannot? you have experience with this so scum points.

and don't get townvibes from Jif posting so.

why

Did not know offering myself up as a burnt offering D1 was considered defensive but ok.
Its k we can always dance the dance and leave it up to the bottle.

it was. other players may you give you some sliding room but I do not.

if you want to dance, lets dance

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

dear andy

I think 2 scum can be run up who are on the same team.

shocker but I do.

"get this far"?

it is d2 ffs.

is that why you read me in particular as scummy? really?

nacho has you as town and I am losing faith every time you post.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

andy do you want me to vote you

cos I don't understand what you are doing here and I really wish I did.

eta: I am not ignoring you!

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I don't want to vote you andy.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

don't get townvibes from Jif posting so.

No mala case though

Wow, never saw that coming!

NACHO, GIVE ME A FULL CLAIM.

Allow me to channel Majiffy:
No.

Lol

BUT NOW MY GAMBIT COULD POTENTIALLY CONFIRM NICK AND NACHO WITHOUT EITHER OF THEM HAVING TO DIE

BEFORE

IT HAPPENS

Bolded is the key word here.

Your "gambit" required two players to fullclaim?
And you were proposing a lynch on someone else, leaving both fullclaimed players alive?

Whatever drugs you're taking, stop, and don't ever do them again.

hi jiffy

Hi.

I don't think either of us are scumreading you and I don't know where you're getting the silly notion.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

jesus fucking christ just hammer nicky already

it isn't like he is going to be pissed at you or anything

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I had a dream this lynch had already gone through and nick was scum.

Needless to say, I was disappointed to wake up and find this thread still open.