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Post Post #5538 (isolation #400) » Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:41 pm

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Plan continues, then. Stick to the damn plan. Nacho hammers andy today. Me tomorrow if we get there. Varsoon/antihero lylo if it isn't nacho or andy. I still think it's nacho though.
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Post Post #5539 (isolation #401) » Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:42 pm

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VOTE: Andy


One of the confirmed towns votes, and then nacho hammers. Any of you will do.
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Post Post #5543 (isolation #402) » Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:14 am

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Uh.... TD I hope you realize that if andy is town, you just committed suicide and fucked up everything.
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Post Post #5544 (isolation #403) » Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:14 am

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Like... there went the entire autowin flowchart...
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Post Post #5546 (isolation #404) » Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:35 am

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I hope it's you, andy, or TD, cuz if not, scumwin, then.
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Post Post #5559 (isolation #405) » Wed Oct 23, 2013 6:27 pm

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Nacho had better be the last scum. TD being a derp doesn't change that.
Otherwise, if nacho is town, this game is over because we'll be lynching me in 3-man. The super paranoid part of me says two scum but if that's the case, we've already lost.

VOTE: nacho
Unless the other three of you think it's more likely to be varsoon, we do this today.
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Post Post #5563 (isolation #406) » Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:45 am

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In post 5561, Varsoon wrote:TF, what happened to lynching you as a part of your plan?
I refuse to believe you're actually this dumb. Like the post literally right above this post by me notes that it has to be nacho, because plan calls for lynching nacho then lynching me.
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Post Post #5566 (isolation #407) » Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:23 am

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I uh kinda wanted him to be able to talk with me a bit first, but... okay?

Hey nacho, if you're town, is it me, varsoon, or antihero that's scum?
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Post Post #5571 (isolation #408) » Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:41 am

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Well if it isn't nacho, we get to talk this out nice and slow tomorrow. Still think it is, fwiw.
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Post Post #5588 (isolation #409) » Fri Oct 25, 2013 3:22 am

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In post 5581, Cabd wrote:Varsoon will likely vote me out the gate so if you're scum you've already won, antihero.

I don't think you are though.


Will quote from hydra account in a tad.
In post 5586, Cabd wrote:Antihero please confirm yourself as town by seeing that vote and not hammering me.
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Post Post #5589 (isolation #410) » Fri Oct 25, 2013 3:23 am

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In post 5587, Antihero wrote:ah, son of a bitch
Well, there we go. It's varsoon then.
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Post Post #5592 (isolation #411) » Fri Oct 25, 2013 3:26 am

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Unless antihero has specific questions for us, I'm just going to let him make the call. I think the game thread's past 200+ pages speak for themselves.
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Post Post #5593 (isolation #412) » Fri Oct 25, 2013 3:26 am

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VOTE: Varsoon

Time for work for me, I'll be back in a bit.
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Post Post #5604 (isolation #413) » Fri Oct 25, 2013 4:57 am

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In post 5603, Varsoon wrote:It's really suspicious, since it's exactly that kind of play that's kept him from getting lynched and even proposed a thoughtless 'lynch-down-the-list' tactic.
I'd say "you're kidding, right?" but I already know the answer.

What day have I attempted to move the lynch order around? Go on, tell me.

It's always been bro--->andy-nacho--->me--->varsoon. The only reason this game isn't already over with your lynch is TD fucking up the plan. Had we followed the plan exactly as I described it, you'd be dead right now, and so would I, and since there has to be scum amongst us (you) then it'd be my (and town's) win.

So tell me what exactly is suspicious of forming an autowin plan that calls for my own death by leveraging the amount of confotowns to autowin.
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Post Post #5605 (isolation #414) » Fri Oct 25, 2013 4:58 am

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In post 5600, Antihero wrote:oh, so it's a one-shot vanillaizer that only works on scum, eh?

that's an interesting counterbalance to andy's role...
Yes. I tried to trick a scumclaim out of BRO given ffery's read of him by claiming my ability only worked on town instead. But it ended up just wasting my shot since he was VT.
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Post Post #5609 (isolation #415) » Fri Oct 25, 2013 3:08 pm

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I'm a bit biased, but there's the part where he couldn't keep his fake results straight even though my wording and your wording match.

Will check what they said, I think both of them said both of us were town.
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Post Post #5611 (isolation #416) » Fri Oct 25, 2013 3:12 pm

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In post 3888, mastin2 wrote:
In post 2768, mastin2 wrote:TOWN:
notscience
Venmar
Mac
TiphaineDeath
Ghostlin
Trust Fund

Faster Than Light
zMuffinMan
Skullduggery/Mutley
Aj The Epic

Tiers 1 and 2. (Trust Fund is borderline 2, but I'm listing them as 1.)

What does that leave?
{Andrius, BROseidon, Nachomamma8, Malakittens, Desperado}

Those five. I can equally guarantee all the remaining scum are in those. five. names.

Now I don't think they're all scum, but four of them pretty much have to be.
Slightly updated. You'll note that Desp has been bumped down quite a few notches, and that Mac's in my tier 1 town-list, now. There are other minor changes, but you get the idea.

Scumreads are, roughly, strongest to weakest:
Malakittens
Nachomamma8
BROseidon
Desperado
Andrius

...Though honestly, the last three are pretty dang interchangeable. BROseidon and Desperado definitely are. And I can't tell with Andrius at all.
This was mastin's most recent reads list.
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Post Post #5613 (isolation #417) » Fri Oct 25, 2013 3:15 pm

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And this is mollie-jiffy's
(scum)
(town)
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In post 1465, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:{FTL, nickthename, Mastin, Andi, AJ}
{Ghost, Mac, NS, SOS, TD, TF, Venmar, Thez, Nacho, Muffin, Desp, Mala, Rach}
{BRO, Skull}
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Post Post #5615 (isolation #418) » Fri Oct 25, 2013 3:17 pm

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Anything else you'd like us to dig up?
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Post Post #5617 (isolation #419) » Fri Oct 25, 2013 3:19 pm

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Well, if you're set for sure in your decision, no reason to keep on going for a two week period. If you want argument and logic, I can provide that.
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Post Post #5619 (isolation #420) » Fri Oct 25, 2013 3:22 pm

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Well, to save myself from losing several years off my lifespan, just let me know if you have questions or something you'd like to know. I still think it's best for you to just read the thread though. My play speaks for itself.
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Post Post #5621 (isolation #421) » Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:53 pm

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Varsoon wrote: TF, that's pretty dirty. I could point to plenty of other players who've had you as scum, but the fact that you deferred specifically to Mollie/Majiffy (who's scum list has all been town so far barring AJ) and you're trying to misrep Mastin as calling me scum despite me being nowhere near his scum-list?
In post 5608, Antihero wrote:what did mastin and mollie have to say about varsoon and trust fund?
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Post Post #5623 (isolation #422) » Fri Oct 25, 2013 6:12 pm

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The reads list I quoted from mastin was after the post you just quoted, he has you as tier two town, me as borderline tier one town. Show me where in my quote he calls you scum.
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Post Post #5631 (isolation #423) » Sat Oct 26, 2013 9:07 am

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In post 5626, Cabd wrote:I used their most recent reads lists like I was asked for. Mastin's post that I quoted CLEARLY explained both mine and yours placement on his reads list. You're attacking me answering questions as scummy, and not my actual play the past 8 days.
In post 5629, Cabd wrote:Checking something with bork, antihero, might be able to prove something to you and make this easy mode.
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Post Post #5632 (isolation #424) » Sat Oct 26, 2013 9:08 am

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In post 5630, Varsoon wrote:Figures you'll try to make some power play in Lylo by appealing to different authorities.
Look up "appeal to authority" in a textbook and get back to me. I'm asking bork rules about role cards and stuff to not get modkilled.
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Post Post #5633 (isolation #425) » Sat Oct 26, 2013 9:10 am

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In post 5630, Varsoon wrote:
In post 5573, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 5565, Varsoon wrote:TF, I'm going to trust you on this, but if Nacho flips town and you live through the night, you better not try to wriggle out of this.
nacho's flipping town
lynch tf tomorrow
In post 5574, Nachomamma8 wrote:cabd's gonna wiggle wiggle wiggle
lynch him

Wiggle,wiggle,wiggle~
Yes because an autowin plan that counted on both of us being dead is still relevant when only one of us can die (thanks to TD) and I'm town means I should clearly suicide.
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Post Post #5634 (isolation #426) » Sat Oct 26, 2013 9:10 am

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And you're essentially arguing that it's scummy of me to use a player's newest reads list instead of one of their older ones that paints you in a better light. Time trumps all, bud.
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Post Post #5636 (isolation #427) » Sat Oct 26, 2013 12:11 pm

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I asked him how much of the section of my role card about how my power is lost I could quote vs paraphrase. Because if I can give you the wording of yours (as in worded same as mine) then given varsoon claimed two different results on us after we both had lost our abilities, it would solve the game for you.
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Post Post #5638 (isolation #428) » Sat Oct 26, 2013 12:38 pm

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Fair enough. If you want self meta you're welcome to ask for it. Otherwise, just keep reading I guess.
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Post Post #5640 (isolation #429) » Sat Oct 26, 2013 12:43 pm

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RachMarie - Krelian, Mad Scientist of the Solaris Empire, was lynched Day 1.

A Mad Scientist can assign passive abilities to other players.
(I'm assuming these are negative utility passives, fwiw.)
Malakittens - Miang Hawwa, Ancient Seductress of the Solaris Empire, was lynched Day 3.

An Ancient Seductress is a roleblocker, and she also has a 1-Shot redirect
Aj The Epic - Id, Split Personality of the Solaris Empire, was lynched Day 4.

A Split Personality is a Conditional Godfather Bulletproof Ability Enabler Traitor.
Desperado - Shakhan, Goon of the Solaris Empire, was lynched Day 5.
So.... passive-ability giver, roleblocker-redirector, bulletproof godfather traitor, and a goon.


Scum has four ways to fuck up town PRs: Assigning passives, roleblocking, redirecting, and false results (godfather). So me being scum would make it 5 ways. Know what they don't have, though? Any way to investigate and rolehunt.
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Post Post #5646 (isolation #430) » Sat Oct 26, 2013 7:02 pm

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In post 5645, Cabd wrote:
In post 5642, Varsoon wrote:Anti, I'm town this game. That sentence alone should be enough. ;)
This tells me two things. One, you're scum. Two, you're trying to use your prior ban for trust telling to curry favor here. Taking this up with bork/zoroaster.
And while I'm at it, I can cite me withholding role info or even making up role results as town plenty of times.
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Post Post #5649 (isolation #431) » Sat Oct 26, 2013 7:11 pm

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Mmmhmm, I'll get back to you once I'm done talking to borkie.
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Post Post #5653 (isolation #432) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 12:15 pm

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Well, sort of.

Let's say I'm the last scum. That means that if you think scum has a rolecop of some sort, and varsoon is telling the truth; that both town AND scum had a rolecop. Now go look at bork's other large theme:

Xenoblade was 16 v 3 v 3
Town PRs:
Joat
2-shot hider
even-night cop
Miller Tracker
neighbor
macho bodyguard

Redscum had:
Odd-night rolecop
Doctor
Encryptor

Bluescum had:
Jailkeper
1-shot strongman
Godfather-neighbor
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Post Post #5654 (isolation #433) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 12:19 pm

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And now compare to this game...

Town:
Mason-Bodyguard
2-shot Vig
Inno Child
Supersaint that only kills town
JOAT
Mason-Backup Jailkeeper
Two-failure only cop (antihero's slot)
One of {every other night vanilla cop, one-shot vanillizer}

Scum:
Inventor (rach)
Roleblocker/1-shot redirector (malakittens)
Traitor/Godfather/Bulletproof (Aj the epic)
Goon (Desperado)
One of {every other night vanilla cop, one-shot vanillizer}


Which do you think makes more sense in each spot?
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Post Post #5655 (isolation #434) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 12:25 pm

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In post 1381, RachMarie wrote:
1. Aj The Epic Probly town it feels like aj town rather than aj scum. but this one is a weaker town read.

2. Andrius Ehh the buddying with Nacho is normal for him, The reliance on Nacho vetting for him being town also normal, but his play just does not feel right here leaning scum, Andy can you provide me with some links to scum games you have completed thanks.


3. BeautyAndTheBeast (pirate mollie + Majiffy) I am definitely getting a towny read here.... Given more time will have a more solid read on them since I usually can catch Jiffy scum eventually, but in the town pile for now and mollie feels more like her towny self so yeah town.
4. BROseidon ehhh weak town read here mainly based on the stats, but he feels like hes genuinely scum hunting...

5. Desperado Confirmation Bias much there Des? Seriously dude have you even read any of my town games, weak scum read here. Seriously dude do your homework instead of just focusing on the low hanging fruit.

6. Faster Than Light (Varsoon + Metal Sonic) OMG head exploding here.... these two really need to get their hydra act together, nullish due to I see scummy MS and towny Var, need more congency from the slot tween these two to sort it out better.

7. Ghostlin Ehh feeling more like the town Ghosty here, but have not played as many games, could you provide me links of town and scum Ghosty? Thanks A couple of each is good enough.


8. Mac is Mac..... meh read atm but leaning to town... As he posts more will be able to solidify this.

9. mastin2 uhh WTF???? Brain is suffering from reading his ISO umm?? Need to reread it through.

10. Nachomamma8 What on earth Nacho :( What do you mean by revenge? ehh that being said its a tad early to rule him out as town I think.... Leaning Town... B n B could you further elaborate why you see him as scum at this point besides the connection with Andy?

11. thezmon221 Nachopappa--- Dude is probably town though not sure why the hostility? I really am a sweet chick :P However his tunneling looks more town tunneling than scum tunneling.
12. Malakittens nhammen--- Need more time to sort Mala out, she is very good at hiding herself when she is scum Mala... Still sorting....

13. nickthename--- Not much experience with this dude, though he did very well as scum in a skype mafia game and I did not realize he was scum even in LYLO so watching this dude carefully.... Leaning town but watching....

14. notscience umm duh... Do I really need to say on this one :roll:
15. RachMarie Sweet as sugar and doing her best to keep up with ya all as you add another 20 pages uggh...


16. Skullduggery Um Skull needs to post a LOT MORE... Nullish, might be scum by PoE but its too soon to figure that out until we get some flips PoE does not do a lot.

17. Sound of Silence (fferyllt + GuyInFreezer) Prolific posters but most likely town.

18. TiphaineDeath Dude you tunnel way too much... Which is making me wonder since you were scum last time and doing this mega tunneling.... Could you provide me with links to a cple town and a cple scum games?
19. Trust Fund (Cabd + Syryana) hmmm mostly cabd here need more syr. Not seeing the usual trolling and goofy much from Syr... So yeah very weak town read here need more from Syr...

20. Venmar Dude what you smokin? Not sure what I have done to you :P Do you have anything actual to your case besides the fact that I had not yet done reads? Leaning town however...

21. zMuffinMan Need to read some other games not played with this dude in completed games yet. Could you provide me with a cple town and a cple scum games thanks.
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Post Post #5656 (isolation #435) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 12:32 pm

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In post 2461, Sound of Silence wrote:EDIT
DELETE
Reads:

Town

FTL

notscience
BnB
Venmar

Trust Fund

TD
Ghostlin

Aj The Epic

Desperado

nickthename

Rach


Null


Andrius (fery have him as town I think)
Nachomamma (I think fery have him as leaning town)
mastin2
Mac

Scum
nhammen/Mala

BROseidon
skull/mutley
Jeez ffery your reads sucked.
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Post Post #5657 (isolation #436) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 12:33 pm

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In post 1734, Sound of Silence wrote:Syr's being all town and stuff. Cabd gets a free ride unless my town read on Syr goes sour. Until day 3, anyway.
This is what she said about their townread on me.

As for their townread on varsoon, it was GiF's read, iirc. Something about "I've never read him wrong yet"
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Post Post #5658 (isolation #437) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 12:35 pm

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In post 5510, Varsoon wrote:Makes sense, but if we get down to me and two others in a 3 man lylo without having caught scum yet, mislynching me probably won't win us the game.
In post 5511, Varsoon wrote:My major concern is if the game ends up with two/three of your green names alive in Lylo.
BTW this was right before TD fucked everything up. I don't exactly see a lack of wiggling here, either, varsoon, so that makes us both worms.
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Post Post #5660 (isolation #438) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 12:56 pm

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I was on my phone at the time. Vote tags are hard.
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Post Post #5661 (isolation #439) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 12:57 pm

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We were both townread by pretty much every major town player, so at this point it's all about antihero coming to his own choice, with no dead town to sheep.
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Post Post #5663 (isolation #440) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 2:23 pm

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In post 4915, Mac wrote:full claim: kahn wong, possessed warrior.

jack of all trades. 1 shot neighbourize, 1 shot track and 1 shot commute.

just for updates since people haven't quite gathered that im not just a neighbourizer.
In post 4965, Mac wrote:
In post 4921, Andrius wrote:mac sure is taking forever to claim night actions
sorry

i do this thing. called sleeping. but they are in the thread if you know where to look andy!

neighourized trust fund, tracked FTL to Trust Fund.
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Post Post #5665 (isolation #441) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 2:32 pm

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Yes. Yes there was.
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Post Post #5671 (isolation #442) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 3:01 pm

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Right, and so I totally revealed my super duper scum recruitment PR in the thread day two.
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Post Post #5673 (isolation #443) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 3:05 pm

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And let's just say you were correct, varsoon, and it's a recruit 1-shot. Why would I use it on broseidon, of all people? And then out that info at the start of day two?


Not to mention making the recruitment a oneshot would make me cry from a setup designer's angle.
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Post Post #5677 (isolation #444) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 3:11 pm

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Syr and I figured we wouldn't live super long, and we both agreed with SOS's read. Additionally, at the time the game was ongoing so I couldn't say this in the thread, but Bro was playing somewhat similar to the way he had played as scum as my scum buddy in New York 165. We honestly debated targeting venmar night one instead, just in case it was scum claiming PGO to hide some sort of PR.

Syr abandonded me around the middle of day two, and It's been all cabd all the time ever since, minus the one or two posts he's made.
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Post Post #5680 (isolation #445) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 3:21 pm

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In post 5678, Varsoon wrote:If I was scum, wouldn't it make more sense for me to play along with what he said, mislynch other people while 'hunting' for the traitor, and have a member of the scum-team recruit AJ?
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Bus
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Post Post #5685 (isolation #446) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 4:08 pm

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He fixed it go look.
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Post Post #5686 (isolation #447) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 4:10 pm

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Bork you troll. Now I have to fix it.
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Post Post #5687 (isolation #448) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 4:10 pm

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In post 5682, borkjerfkin wrote:
Votecount 9.3


[1] Trust Fund (
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[1] Not Voting (Antihero)

With 3 alive, it is 2 to lynch.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-11-08 08:00:00)
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Post Post #5691 (isolation #449) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 4:18 pm

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In post 5690, Varsoon wrote:It doesn't matter who gets hammered now, we all win
Ok he doesn't care but I do. So you can hammer him and we can celebrate the town win with batman decorated cupcakes.
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Post Post #5693 (isolation #450) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 4:22 pm

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I'm sure the dead QT appreciates the misrep of their groaning.
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Post Post #5695 (isolation #451) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 4:23 pm

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You can call me cabd. Syryana fled the hydra long ago
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Post Post #5696 (isolation #452) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 4:23 pm

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Still doesn't change your alignment, though!
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Post Post #5697 (isolation #453) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 4:26 pm

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In post 5694, Varsoon wrote:I think you're too excited for those cupcakes.
I am! I want the townwin we should have really gotten already had TD not screwed it up. BTW, antihero, if you're curious about plans calling for my own death and following them....

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p5326993

I'm Kyubey.
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Post Post #5700 (isolation #454) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 4:35 pm

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Oh and I mentioned me doing gambits and shit as town.

Here's me faking a cop innocent on ffery/syr hydra as a VT:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p5168011

Here's me fakeclaiming survivor as vanilla town to get scum to claim scum:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p5206602

(I'm MC maraca in both cases)
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Post Post #5701 (isolation #455) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 4:35 pm

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Yay dumping meta all over antihero. Nb4 he reads none of it.
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Post Post #5703 (isolation #456) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 4:39 pm

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I thought you get back a VT result if a player has used their power, though, according to your claim?
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Post Post #5704 (isolation #457) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 4:43 pm

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So you got a VT result on antihero, right?
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Post Post #5705 (isolation #458) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 4:44 pm

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Or what exactly did your result say?
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Post Post #5706 (isolation #459) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 4:44 pm

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Same question for what your result on me said and what it said on nacho.

Does your role card specify the treatment of mafia goons vs VT?
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Post Post #5709 (isolation #460) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 4:53 pm

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So how did you come to your "cabd had a one shot recruit theory" when your role returned vanilla back on the now confirmed town cop that had an X-shot role and lost it?

After all, your role results supposedly gave you a not vanilla result on me. I claimed my role usage D2. So from your POV, since you hit me night three, I MUST have told a lie about the using my shot thing. But your theory about cabd-scum with this recruit ability totally ignores that.

You know why? Because you're not a vanilla cop. You're a scum rolecop that couldn't keep your story straight.
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Post Post #5710 (isolation #461) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 4:54 pm

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In post 5675, Varsoon wrote:It'd make sense if it was a one-shot, TF.
^^^Like right here you pushed a "Cabd is a oneshot recruiter" theory but you supposedly know I was not vanilla on night three.
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Post Post #5711 (isolation #462) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 4:55 pm

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Or in other words:

Gotcha, scumfuck.

You can kuribo-ize all the avatar images you want, doesn't change the fact that you just slipped about your supposed role results.
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Post Post #5713 (isolation #463) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 4:58 pm

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So then what supposed role do I have along with this magical one-shot recruitment?
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Post Post #5717 (isolation #464) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 5:06 pm

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"looked to set you up in twilight?" No shit varsoon, as soon as nacho claimed town post hammer, it had to be you. He doesn't fuck around with that sort of thing just to troll. Your hammer post, if anything, was a setup for an easy vote on me today.
In post 5565, Varsoon wrote:If there's two scum left and Nacho's town, then we probably lose tonight.

VOTE: Nacho

TF, I'm going to trust you on this, but if Nacho flips town and
you live through the night
, you better not try to wriggle out of this.
No "hey nacho your reads" or anything, just a straight up "Oh well i'm voting you tomorrow" not to mention the bold is total scum theater given that there was an innocent child left alive that day.
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Post Post #5718 (isolation #465) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 5:09 pm

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In post 5715, Antihero wrote:OK, maybe TF did, kind of, but .. yeah).
I did, but it wasn't an issue at the time because the plan called for both him and me to be dead before the game's end. That was before TDgate
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Post Post #5719 (isolation #466) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 5:13 pm

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"Stating your role results takes seconds, fixing your fakeclaim's mistakes takes an eternity" ~DGB's quote fixed
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Post Post #5720 (isolation #467) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 5:15 pm

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In post 5715, Antihero wrote:If you got a vanilla on me, you really should have gotten a vanilla on TF too.
He forgot he had called me not vanilla after I used my shot. Not really that surprising that he'd then call you vanilla.
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Post Post #5722 (isolation #468) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 5:19 pm

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You're the one who pushed me to hammer Nacho in MyLo despite the fact I felt he was town and you were scum.
Show me where I forced you.
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Post Post #5723 (isolation #469) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 5:23 pm

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In post 5721, Varsoon wrote:1. It relies on the idea that X-shot PRs and Anti's PR work the same way in regards to my investigate.
We already talked about this, he and I, in the thread on a prior day and confirmed our wording is similar.
In post 5721, Varsoon wrote: 2. It doesn't cover the fact that you could be lying about your PR.
My role PM says otherwise. Still waiting for you to tell me what hypothetical PR I have if you're a town vanilla cop.
In post 5721, Varsoon wrote: 3. It doesn't cover the fact that my results could have been manipulated on any night, since my ability is fairly telegraphed from claim-forward.
Rach died day one and was never able to use her PR, unless bork randomly threw in only one day ability. Mala dided day three so you weren't redirected unless you're now trying to say that I'm somehow ALSO a redirector. Try again.
In post 5721, Varsoon wrote: 4. It posits that I am a scum rolecop, which still doesn't explain how hypothetical scum-varsoon got results on players and delivered night kills if he was the only scum left since D5.
Bork, do you allow the last living scum in a team to use their night role in addition to the facitoal kill?
(If he won't answer I'll dig it up from xenoblade)
In post 5721, Varsoon wrote: 5. It misrepresents me as lying about my result on you, despite the fact that I've already explained how my result makes sense in regards to point 1, 2, and 3
Yeah well my town PM and antihero's lack of hammer says otherwise. So you kinda have to be.
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Post Post #5726 (isolation #470) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 5:29 pm

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In post 5724, Varsoon wrote:TF, you've admitted to lying about your PR, and allowed misinformation about it to spread.
No shit, that's how a role gambit works. You don't go "oh by the way before I get reactions out of you, I'm actually telling a lie."
borkjerfkin wrote:
In post 5723, Trust Fund wrote:Bork, do you allow the last living scum in a team to use their night role in addition to the facitoal kill?
I have no comment.
Brb to the xenoblade thread I go.
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Post Post #5728 (isolation #471) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 5:35 pm

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Can't win so you're dropping it? Come on, varsoon. You're "town vanilla cop" so what does that make me, given bork doesn't give scum and town the same roles?
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Post Post #5729 (isolation #472) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 5:36 pm

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In post 5723, Trust Fund wrote:
In post 5721, Varsoon wrote:1. It relies on the idea that X-shot PRs and Anti's PR work the same way in regards to my investigate.
We already talked about this, he and I, in the thread on a prior day and confirmed our wording is similar.
In post 5721, Varsoon wrote: 2. It doesn't cover the fact that you could be lying about your PR.
My role PM says otherwise. Still waiting for you to tell me what hypothetical PR I have if you're a town vanilla cop.
In post 5721, Varsoon wrote: 3. It doesn't cover the fact that my results could have been manipulated on any night, since my ability is fairly telegraphed from claim-forward.
Rach died day one and was never able to use her PR, unless bork randomly threw in only one day ability. Mala dided day three so you weren't redirected unless you're now trying to say that I'm somehow ALSO a redirector. Try again.
In post 5721, Varsoon wrote: 4. It posits that I am a scum rolecop, which still doesn't explain how hypothetical scum-varsoon got results on players and delivered night kills if he was the only scum left since D5.
Bork, do you allow the last living scum in a team to use their night role in addition to the facitoal kill?
(If he won't answer I'll dig it up from xenoblade)
In post 5721, Varsoon wrote: 5. It misrepresents me as lying about my result on you, despite the fact that I've already explained how my result makes sense in regards to point 1, 2, and 3
Yeah well my town PM and antihero's lack of hammer says otherwise. So you kinda have to be.
Go on, refute these. (Well except 5 obviously that's a he said she said) What's your answer to number three in particular?
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Post Post #5730 (isolation #473) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 5:37 pm

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You can't decide if your lie should be "Oh my result was manipulated,cabd is some oneshot scum PR" or "Oh cabd is actually some PR with ability uses left as of night three hence my result"
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Post Post #5731 (isolation #474) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 5:38 pm

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So you keep flip flopping between the two, trying to see what antihero will buy more.
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Post Post #5733 (isolation #475) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 5:41 pm

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In post 5712, Varsoon wrote:
Every scum PR so far has had an ability coupled with a one-shot.





In post 2465, borkjerfkin wrote:RachMarie - Krelian, Mad Scientist of the Solaris Empire, was lynched Day 1.

A Mad Scientist can assign passive abilities to other players.
In post 4255, borkjerfkin wrote:Malakittens - Miang Hawwa, Ancient Seductress of the Solaris Empire, was lynched Day 3.

An Ancient Seductress is a roleblocker, and she also has a 1-Shot redirect
In post 4672, borkjerfkin wrote:Aj The Epic - Id, Split Personality of the Solaris Empire, was lynched Day 4.

A Split Personality is a Conditional Godfather Bulletproof Ability Enabler Traitor.
In post 5120, borkjerfkin wrote:Desperado - Shakhan, Goon of the Solaris Empire, was lynched Day 5.

Soooomebody has inside info.
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Post Post #5735 (isolation #476) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 5:53 pm

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In post 5734, Varsoon wrote:Getting really tired of it, man.
I'm sure you are. It mut be horrible having to remember which lies you told when. So what's your oneshot ability?
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Post Post #5737 (isolation #477) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 6:07 pm

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In post 5736, Varsoon wrote:The problem, Cabd, is that I'm Town Non-consecutive Vanilla Cop. My character is Jesiah Black.
Mmmhmm, and scum didn't get fakeclaims, riiiiiight? Your character name means jack and shit.

How about instead of deflecting you go back and answer the outstanding question about your role results.

You said it's that you were tampered with, maybe. So I still want to know what I could be to tamper with your results given we have already flipped a passive-giver, a godfather, AND a redirector from your scumteam.
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Post Post #5738 (isolation #478) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 6:13 pm

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In post 5719, Trust Fund wrote:"Stating your role results takes seconds, fixing your fakeclaim's mistakes takes an eternity" ~DGB's quote fixed
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Post Post #5739 (isolation #479) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 6:16 pm

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But hey, tell me again how I'm squirming, that definitely makes your logic more right. After all, nacho's read of me trumps all, right?
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Post Post #5742 (isolation #480) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 6:23 pm

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In post 5739, Trust Fund wrote:But hey, tell me again how I'm squirming, that definitely makes your logic more right. After all, nacho's read of me trumps all, right?
In post 5740, Varsoon wrote:wriggle
Wrong term, try again.
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Post Post #5743 (isolation #481) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 6:25 pm

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In post 5741, Varsoon wrote:I'm comfortable in giving that power to Antihero.
I'm not, really. If he truly cannot pick between the two of us, the he has a coin flip of 50-50 odds at picking correctly and hammering you. Whereas If I was a double voter and this was in my hands, we'd all be breaking out the town win champagne.
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Post Post #5744 (isolation #482) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 6:26 pm

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In post 5741, Varsoon wrote:So, TF, I have to ask again, why are you squirming so much to find negative things to say about me just now, now that we're in lylo together?
You keep asking this like it hasn't been answered. Until TD fucked up the plan, it didn't matter if it was you, nacho, andy, or bro. All of the above names AND myself would be dead before the game ended.
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Post Post #5746 (isolation #483) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 6:40 pm

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In post 5745, Varsoon wrote:I can't answer the questions so I'm gonna just say I'm done and pressure antihero to vote.
Kbai. I'll be over here being obvtown.
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Post Post #5747 (isolation #484) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 6:41 pm

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In post 5745, Varsoon wrote:It's not a 50-50 chance when it's an informed decision.
In post 5743, Trust Fund wrote:If he truly cannot pick
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Post Post #5749 (isolation #485) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 6:44 pm

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So much for leaving. Welcome back.
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Post Post #5750 (isolation #486) » Sun Oct 27, 2013 7:08 pm

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In post 5740, Varsoon wrote:nothing either of us does right now outweighs the 230 pages of evidence to both of our alignments.
Come back so you can explain why antihero should disregard a day's worth of gameplay only because it's lylo? (Well that, and because you've realized you can't properly keep your story straight so you're packing up and going back to your QT to hide/pray) If anything, watching two players 1v1 is a great way to finish a read on somebody.
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Post Post #5751 (isolation #487) » Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:03 pm

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A prod dodge a day keeps the borkie away~
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