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Nacho had better be the last scum. TD being a derp doesn't change that.
Otherwise, if nacho is town, this game is over because we'll be lynching me in 3-man. The super paranoid part of me says two scum but if that's the case, we've already lost.
VOTE: nacho
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I refuse to believe you're actually this dumb. Like the post literally right above this post by me notes that it has to be nacho, because plan calls for lynching nacho then lynching me.In post 5561, Varsoon wrote:TF, what happened to lynching you as a part of your plan?- Trust Fund
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In post 5581, Cabd wrote:Varsoon will likely vote me out the gate so if you're scum you've already won, antihero.
I don't think you are though.
Will quote from hydra account in a tad.In post 5586, Cabd wrote:Antihero please confirm yourself as town by seeing that vote and not hammering me.- Trust Fund
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Well, there we go. It's varsoon then.In post 5587, Antihero wrote:ah, son of a bitch- Trust Fund
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I'd say "you're kidding, right?" but I already know the answer.In post 5603, Varsoon wrote:It's really suspicious, since it's exactly that kind of play that's kept him from getting lynched and even proposed a thoughtless 'lynch-down-the-list' tactic.
What day have I attempted to move the lynch order around? Go on, tell me.
It's always been bro--->andy-nacho--->me--->varsoon. The only reason this game isn't already over with your lynch is TD fucking up the plan. Had we followed the plan exactly as I described it, you'd be dead right now, and so would I, and since there has to be scum amongst us (you) then it'd be my (and town's) win.
So tell me what exactly is suspicious of forming an autowin plan that calls for my own death by leveraging the amount of confotowns to autowin.- Trust Fund
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Yes. I tried to trick a scumclaim out of BRO given ffery's read of him by claiming my ability only worked on town instead. But it ended up just wasting my shot since he was VT.In post 5600, Antihero wrote:oh, so it's a one-shot vanillaizer that only works on scum, eh?
that's an interesting counterbalance to andy's role...- Trust Fund
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This was mastin's most recent reads list.In post 3888, mastin2 wrote:
Slightly updated. You'll note that Desp has been bumped down quite a few notches, and that Mac's in my tier 1 town-list, now. There are other minor changes, but you get the idea.In post 2768, mastin2 wrote:TOWN:
notscience
Venmar
Mac
TiphaineDeath
Ghostlin
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Faster Than Light
zMuffinMan
Skullduggery/Mutley
Aj The Epic
Tiers 1 and 2. (Trust Fund is borderline 2, but I'm listing them as 1.)
What does that leave?
{Andrius, BROseidon, Nachomamma8, Malakittens, Desperado}
Those five. I can equally guarantee all the remaining scum are in those. five. names.
Now I don't think they're all scum, but four of them pretty much have to be.
Scumreads are, roughly, strongest to weakest:
Malakittens
Nachomamma8
BROseidon
Desperado
Andrius
...Though honestly, the last three are pretty dang interchangeable. BROseidon and Desperado definitely are. And I can't tell with Andrius at all.- Trust Fund
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And this is mollie-jiffy's
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In post 1465, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:{FTL, nickthename, Mastin, Andi, AJ}
{Ghost, Mac, NS, SOS, TD, TF, Venmar, Thez, Nacho, Muffin, Desp, Mala, Rach}
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Varsoon wrote: TF, that's pretty dirty. I could point to plenty of other players who've had you as scum, but the fact that you deferred specifically to Mollie/Majiffy (who's scum list has all been town so far barring AJ) and you're trying to misrep Mastin as calling me scum despite me being nowhere near his scum-list?In post 5608, Antihero wrote:what did mastin and mollie have to say about varsoon and trust fund?- Trust Fund
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In post 5626, Cabd wrote:I used their most recent reads lists like I was asked for. Mastin's post that I quoted CLEARLY explained both mine and yours placement on his reads list. You're attacking me answering questions as scummy, and not my actual play the past 8 days.In post 5629, Cabd wrote:Checking something with bork, antihero, might be able to prove something to you and make this easy mode.- Trust Fund
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Look up "appeal to authority" in a textbook and get back to me. I'm asking bork rules about role cards and stuff to not get modkilled.In post 5630, Varsoon wrote:Figures you'll try to make some power play in Lylo by appealing to different authorities.- Trust Fund
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Yes because an autowin plan that counted on both of us being dead is still relevant when only one of us can die (thanks to TD) and I'm town means I should clearly suicide.In post 5630, Varsoon wrote:In post 5573, Nachomamma8 wrote:
nacho's flipping townIn post 5565, Varsoon wrote:TF, I'm going to trust you on this, but if Nacho flips town and you live through the night, you better not try to wriggle out of this.
lynch tf tomorrow
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I asked him how much of the section of my role card about how my power is lost I could quote vs paraphrase. Because if I can give you the wording of yours (as in worded same as mine) then given varsoon claimed two different results on us after we both had lost our abilities, it would solve the game for you.- Trust Fund
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(I'm assuming these are negative utility passives, fwiw.)RachMarie - Krelian, Mad Scientist of the Solaris Empire, was lynched Day 1.
A Mad Scientist can assign passive abilities to other players.Malakittens - Miang Hawwa, Ancient Seductress of the Solaris Empire, was lynched Day 3.
An Ancient Seductress is a roleblocker, and she also has a 1-Shot redirectAj The Epic - Id, Split Personality of the Solaris Empire, was lynched Day 4.
A Split Personality is a Conditional Godfather Bulletproof Ability Enabler Traitor.
So.... passive-ability giver, roleblocker-redirector, bulletproof godfather traitor, and a goon.Desperado - Shakhan, Goon of the Solaris Empire, was lynched Day 5.
Scum has four ways to fuck up town PRs: Assigning passives, roleblocking, redirecting, and false results (godfather). So me being scum would make it 5 ways. Know what they don't have, though? Any way to investigate and rolehunt.- Trust Fund
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And while I'm at it, I can cite me withholding role info or even making up role results as town plenty of times.In post 5645, Cabd wrote:
This tells me two things. One, you're scum. Two, you're trying to use your prior ban for trust telling to curry favor here. Taking this up with bork/zoroaster.In post 5642, Varsoon wrote:Anti, I'm town this game. That sentence alone should be enough.- Trust Fund
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Well, sort of.
Let's say I'm the last scum. That means that if you think scum has a rolecop of some sort, and varsoon is telling the truth; that both town AND scum had a rolecop. Now go look at bork's other large theme:
Xenoblade was 16 v 3 v 3
Town PRs:
Joat
2-shot hider
even-night cop
Miller Tracker
neighbor
macho bodyguard
Redscum had:
Odd-night rolecop
Doctor
Encryptor
Bluescum had:
Jailkeper
1-shot strongman
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And now compare to this game...
Town:
Mason-Bodyguard
2-shot Vig
Inno Child
Supersaint that only kills town
JOAT
Mason-Backup Jailkeeper
Two-failure only cop (antihero's slot)
One of {every other night vanilla cop, one-shot vanillizer}
Scum:
Inventor (rach)
Roleblocker/1-shot redirector (malakittens)
Traitor/Godfather/Bulletproof (Aj the epic)
Goon (Desperado)
One of {every other night vanilla cop, one-shot vanillizer}
Which do you think makes more sense in each spot?- Trust Fund
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In post 1381, RachMarie wrote:1. Aj The Epic Probly town it feels like aj town rather than aj scum. but this one is a weaker town read.
2. Andrius Ehh the buddying with Nacho is normal for him, The reliance on Nacho vetting for him being town also normal, but his play just does not feel right here leaning scum, Andy can you provide me with some links to scum games you have completed thanks.
3. BeautyAndTheBeast (pirate mollie + Majiffy) I am definitely getting a towny read here.... Given more time will have a more solid read on them since I usually can catch Jiffy scum eventually, but in the town pile for now and mollie feels more like her towny self so yeah town.4. BROseidon ehhh weak town read here mainly based on the stats, but he feels like hes genuinely scum hunting...
5. Desperado Confirmation Bias much there Des? Seriously dude have you even read any of my town games, weak scum read here. Seriously dude do your homework instead of just focusing on the low hanging fruit.
6. Faster Than Light (Varsoon + Metal Sonic) OMG head exploding here.... these two really need to get their hydra act together, nullish due to I see scummy MS and towny Var, need more congency from the slot tween these two to sort it out better.
7. Ghostlin Ehh feeling more like the town Ghosty here, but have not played as many games, could you provide me links of town and scum Ghosty? Thanks A couple of each is good enough.
8. Mac is Mac..... meh read atm but leaning to town... As he posts more will be able to solidify this.
9. mastin2 uhh WTF???? Brain is suffering from reading his ISO umm?? Need to reread it through.
10. Nachomamma8 What on earth Nacho What do you mean by revenge? ehh that being said its a tad early to rule him out as town I think.... Leaning Town... B n B could you further elaborate why you see him as scum at this point besides the connection with Andy?
11. thezmon221 Nachopappa--- Dude is probably town though not sure why the hostility? I really am a sweet chick However his tunneling looks more town tunneling than scum tunneling.12. Malakittens nhammen--- Need more time to sort Mala out, she is very good at hiding herself when she is scum Mala... Still sorting....
13. nickthename--- Not much experience with this dude, though he did very well as scum in a skype mafia game and I did not realize he was scum even in LYLO so watching this dude carefully.... Leaning town but watching....
14. notscience umm duh... Do I really need to say on this one15. RachMarie Sweet as sugar and doing her best to keep up with ya all as you add another 20 pages uggh...
16. Skullduggery Um Skull needs to post a LOT MORE... Nullish, might be scum by PoE but its too soon to figure that out until we get some flips PoE does not do a lot.
17. Sound of Silence (fferyllt + GuyInFreezer) Prolific posters but most likely town.
18. TiphaineDeath Dude you tunnel way too much... Which is making me wonder since you were scum last time and doing this mega tunneling.... Could you provide me with links to a cple town and a cple scum games?19. Trust Fund (Cabd + Syryana) hmmm mostly cabd here need more syr. Not seeing the usual trolling and goofy much from Syr... So yeah very weak town read here need more from Syr...
20. Venmar Dude what you smokin? Not sure what I have done to you Do you have anything actual to your case besides the fact that I had not yet done reads? Leaning town however...
21. zMuffinMan Need to read some other games not played with this dude in completed games yet. Could you provide me with a cple town and a cple scum games thanks.- Trust Fund
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Jeez ffery your reads sucked.In post 2461, Sound of Silence wrote:EDIT
DELETE
Reads:
Town
FTL
notscience
BnB
Venmar
Trust Fund
TD
Ghostlin
Aj The Epic
Desperado
nickthename
Rach
Null
Andrius (fery have him as town I think)
Nachomamma (I think fery have him as leaning town)
mastin2
Mac
Scum
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BROseidon
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This is what she said about their townread on me.In post 1734, Sound of Silence wrote:Syr's being all town and stuff. Cabd gets a free ride unless my town read on Syr goes sour. Until day 3, anyway.
As for their townread on varsoon, it was GiF's read, iirc. Something about "I've never read him wrong yet"- Trust Fund
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In post 5510, Varsoon wrote:Makes sense, but if we get down to me and two others in a 3 man lylo without having caught scum yet, mislynching me probably won't win us the game.
BTW this was right before TD fucked everything up. I don't exactly see a lack of wiggling here, either, varsoon, so that makes us both worms.In post 5511, Varsoon wrote:My major concern is if the game ends up with two/three of your green names alive in Lylo.- Trust Fund
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In post 4915, Mac wrote:full claim: kahn wong, possessed warrior.
jack of all trades. 1 shot neighbourize, 1 shot track and 1 shot commute.
just for updates since people haven't quite gathered that im not just a neighbourizer.In post 4965, Mac wrote:
sorryIn post 4921, Andrius wrote:mac sure is taking forever to claim night actions
i do this thing. called sleeping. but they are in the thread if you know where to look andy!
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Syr and I figured we wouldn't live super long, and we both agreed with SOS's read. Additionally, at the time the game was ongoing so I couldn't say this in the thread, but Bro was playing somewhat similar to the way he had played as scum as my scum buddy in New York 165. We honestly debated targeting venmar night one instead, just in case it was scum claiming PGO to hide some sort of PR.
Syr abandonded me around the middle of day two, and It's been all cabd all the time ever since, minus the one or two posts he's made.- Trust Fund
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http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=BusIn post 5678, Varsoon wrote:If I was scum, wouldn't it make more sense for me to play along with what he said, mislynch other people while 'hunting' for the traitor, and have a member of the scum-team recruit AJ?- Trust Fund
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In post 5682, borkjerfkin wrote:Votecount 9.3
[1] Trust Fund (Varsoon)
[1]Varsoon(Trust Fund)
[1] Not Voting (Antihero)
With 3 alive, it is 2 to lynch.
Let me know if you see any problems.
Deadline is in (expired on 2013-11-08 08:00:00)- Trust Fund
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Ok he doesn't care but I do. So you can hammer him and we can celebrate the town win with batman decorated cupcakes.In post 5690, Varsoon wrote:It doesn't matter who gets hammered now, we all win- Trust Fund
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I am! I want the townwin we should have really gotten already had TD not screwed it up. BTW, antihero, if you're curious about plans calling for my own death and following them....In post 5694, Varsoon wrote:I think you're too excited for those cupcakes.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p5326993
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Oh and I mentioned me doing gambits and shit as town.
Here's me faking a cop innocent on ffery/syr hydra as a VT:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p5168011
Here's me fakeclaiming survivor as vanilla town to get scum to claim scum:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p5206602
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So how did you come to your "cabd had a one shot recruit theory" when your role returned vanilla back on the now confirmed town cop that had an X-shot role and lost it?
After all, your role results supposedly gave you a not vanilla result on me. I claimed my role usage D2. So from your POV, since you hit me night three, I MUST have told a lie about the using my shot thing. But your theory about cabd-scum with this recruit ability totally ignores that.
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