Newbie 1437 - Chocolate Fondue Mafia (Over)

[geraintm]

Hello all. Morning here in the uk. Likely able to post this evening. I've been readinf and rhe person I think is scum is still alive, but will reread after the docs death

[jmo16mla]

Epic usefulness.

[Mr. Flay]

NO VOTING.

Indeed.

I'm inclined toward massclaim, especially due to the setup options left. I've been trying out Condorcet as an alternative to popcorn claiming in my last few games. In the first game scum floated right to the top of the list, in the second it literally didn't matter due to role interactions.

"If we go with massclaim, I suggest we avoid the popcorn method (one player claims, then picks the next person to claim, and so on) and instead claim in order of decreasing scumminess. You determine who is scummiest by having everyone list the other living players from scummiest to towniest (ties allowed), and a Condorcet matrix tells you who is the worst. Then you just go down the line from there. This avoids scum having any real control over the order, in case they want to see if X really is the JK first, etc."

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=621 shows how it worked the first time. Everybody lists EVERYBODY alive, from scummiest to towniest. Ties are allowed. I'll post my list tonight after reread of Mindgamer.

[geraintm]

Epic usefulness.

My post? I didn't have time this morning to write properly, but wantes to say hi. Is that bad?

Re: role claim there is only one roll to claim, right?

[geraintm]

Oh, not a fan of claiming now if my understanding of set up is right.

[Mr. Flay]

Why on earth not? We need all the information we can get to avoid a mislynch. There is at least one PR still alive, probably with information to share.

[The-Duck]

massclaiming sounds like a good idea.
I'll start giving out my reads from town to scum

Flay
Jmo
Number
Geraintm

[geraintm]

Firstly, a bit more of a hello.

This is my first game back after a 4 year break. I am very rusty.

I have spent the last few days of real life reading the thread, I didn’t have anything else to do. I really hoped I wasn’t going to be night killed before I could post. That would suck.

Ok, my understanding of the game is that if we have a doc, that means the town either has a cop or a tracker to go with it.

Really don’t like the idea of that person coming forward now.
Think they are better off keeping that information secret until they can use what information they have at a better time.

Tracker will know if someone is mafia if they tracked them and got a hit, right? But getting a negative doesn’t mean anything as the other mafia could have done it, right?

If cop, they will have hits or misses on a few people. Should be able to spot a wagon forming on any innocents and use that info. They are only completely useless to us right now if they have spent every night investigating dead people (if you have, slow hand clap from here). Shouldn’t announce themselves as cop, because they can perhaps, if they exist, get another investigation tonight. if they announce they are cop (same as with tracker) they are going to get killed tonight turning tomorrow into a 50/50.
Maybe also if a pressured scum claims cop we get the cop or tracker to then know they are lying.

To me, all them claiming does is turn the game into town having to lynch correctly today and correctly tomorrow, instead of town lynching correctly today and then having a 2/3 chance that the role doesn’t die overnight and that person can come forward then?

I hope people don’t think of me as scum.
This may sound odd, but the main reason, forgetting anything the previous player wrote, is that in my experience scum just don’t quit games, not when they are so close to winning. Just goes against all human nature I have seen with people playing mafia.
People can argue this, but I know I am town and the previous player’s actions to me seem totally against what an interested scum would do.

Reading the game, what was this whole townblock thing? Whatever this tactic is I had never seen it back when I used to play, is it common now?
Bringing it into a beginner game though seems a hideous idea. If anyone ever tries it with me again I’ll stomp on the idea as fast as I can.

[Mr. Flay]

Really don’t like the idea of that person coming forward now.
Think they are better off keeping that information secret until they can use what information they have at a better time.

I know you're rusty, but when do you think is a better time for that information than LyLo?

[geraintm]

When they thibk best. Not when others pressure them into doing it. It isnt just lynch or lose today, it is also tomorrow

[Mr. Flay]

And if we vote wrong today, there Is No Tomorrow. I'm beginning to think you're being deliberately thick about this, except that it's such a transparent ploy. Yes, we don't need results until the massclaim is done, but we need the claims. There are probably 1 to 2 clears among the five of us, more if there is no counterclaim.

[geraintm]

I don't get mass claim, I really don't. We get townie *4 plus a role. That role might well be counter claimed. How does it clear a bunch of us?
It ends up scum know who to kill tonight.

[geraintm]

VOTE: jmo16mla - not random.

First he asked whether or not I had replaced out. Might mean he was worried about a longtime IC, but moreso it shows a lack of attention paid. When I replied, he said he would "run away" rather than be lynched.

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I've got a lot of pages to go through and I'll pick out the things I want to, am on an iPad and think this is going to end up in multiple, multiple posts rather than in one, so sorry for post counting.
First, noting this, think it will be important later

[geraintm]

I disagree Number. I see Flay's Attack on jmo being null.

My only real concern right now is that they could be scum distancing from each other.

Post 56 and this, like them

[geraintm]

Jmo has not been scumhunting at all this game, and he's not taking any stances on anything.

Flay, although I was not sure if it was just a miscount of the votes early on that made you put Jmo to L-1, your subsequent play has read town to me.

Just want to note these comments

[geraintm]

I like this Mindgamer kid. Will reread tonight and may consider a vote switch (I believe TAM is at 3 right now, unless zakk has switched).

This style of posting comes up a lot from flay, the whole "woe is me, it is such a burden to move my vote, but I'll have a good think about it and then I'll do it.

[geraintm]

ISO is lazy, though. You seem to be going through the motions rather than actually scumhunting, and you are STILL selectively answering questions. Very reactive, very scummy.

I like this Mindgamer kid. Will reread tonight and may consider a vote switch (I believe TAM is at 3 right now, unless zakk has switched).

I really hate drawing scum

With a passion

I think that game is good reading, particularly notsci's ISO. It's a ton of tiny posts and not much scumhunting.

Contrasted with his Town replacement play in NG 1382 I'm comfortable with my vote for right now. Only thing giving me pause is he said he would be somewhat limited on access due to the laptop thing.

notsci is that fixed yet??

Comfortable with my vote where it is for now, but would switch to TAM to avoid a No Lynch. Everyone who hasn't already should post their top two suspects (three if absolutely needed), WITH REASONS. Full lists are not needed on D1.

This screams a terrible post to me. Why bring up a no lynch as an excuse to move a vote? No need yet. I can't see him giving reasons to vote tam, but he'll lynch him, and then wants everyone else to post long thoughts on everyone.

[geraintm]

Unvote
Vote: TAM

While my suspicions on Jmo aren't gone, time is running short and my vote wasn't going to get anywhere.

Between notscience and TAM, I'm less suspicious of notscience. While his responses haven't been particularly good, I find the reasoning behind the votes on him isn't that solid. Mindgamer brings up some good points on TAM, and the fact that he's voting me isn't helping either.

Got to pull this one for similar reasons to flay, just using no lynch as an excuse to vote for someone.

[geraintm]

Okay, I'm willing to give you D1/N1 to change it up now that your computer is restored. UNVOTE: notscience

TAM has been astonishingly silent against his critics since yesterday morning, and we have three days left. VOTE: The Acting Method - that is L-1. Post or perish.

Ok, I don't think tam had been silent. A post within the last day isn't silent. Even if flay only thought he was pushing him to l-1, he knew tam was going to end up dead. To me, it feels like flay piggy backed onto some sort of wagon very easily, after appearing to hesitate as long as possible.

[geraintm]

Flay is likely town Mindgamer, I don't think flay is going anywhere anytime soon.

Wtf? I can see no reason in game for jmo to say this.

[geraintm]

Flay is likely town Mindgamer, I don't think flay is going anywhere anytime soon.

Well, we should get this game going.

vote: Fart Bane

Among the survivors, he is the most suspicious to me, for a lack of posting and for his strange vote on notscience. On a slightly unrelated not, I also agree that unless both Flay's vote was accidental.

Ok, this is a vote for me. And gives flay a townie vote, grrrr.

[geraintm]

I'm going to townbloc becasue scumhunting isn't cutting it this game.

Thus far-

Me, Mindgamer

Ok. Never seen this town block in a game before. I am rusty.
But what?unless not science knew something really big he should not have done this. And he was vanilla. The fact he spotted the doc is neither here no there

[geraintm]

Well, we should get this game going.

vote: Fart Bane

Among the survivors, he is the most suspicious to me, for a lack of posting and for his strange vote on notscience. On a slightly unrelated not, I also agree that unless both Flay's vote was accidental.

This is far too easy.

VOTE: number_0ne
lack of posting? you've got 13 hes got 31... not seeing it.

That was a quick vote over not much.

[geraintm]

I didn't think that was lynch. Did you feel my FLAY was faked?

TAM not participating kinda sounds like why I called him out for being scum right?

Typically, scum won't continue to lurk if get called out on it and get voted up. Hence, me calling him more than likely town.

Would your case be completely different had TAM flipped scum?

I'm almost guaranteeing there was at least one scum on TAM's wagon. Cut out me, and flay(who I wasn't sucking up to I just have a town read on him)

Why flay? Why is jmo giving flay a town pass? He lynched him!

[geraintm]

jmo, I don't like the number vote. Feels newbtown to me.

Oh I'm an idiot.

between editing that post I left my vote in there.

UNVOTE:

Hmmm....