What's the difference between her walls and mine, and why is this a possible scumtell?
Your wall was full of information about what you think and don't think about, after you express your thoughts you ask questions if they don't match what you are stating, from that I can get a read on you. Her walls were just general questions not related to the discussion and did not answer what I asked of her, which served no purpose to me, whether she can get a tell out of them, assuming she is town, is open for discussion.
It doesn't have to make sense right now. We don't even have a scum-flip yet. It's better to get the first scum in hand before you start worrying about associative tells.
Let's not mistake your opinion with what is better, just because you decide to hunt for scum separately doesn't mean that making connections is a bad strategy.
1) Hard-bussing can give him towncred. And it's not a bad compromise if he felt his scumbuddy was in trouble.
2) Jmo and BW are not necessarily linked. This is why I told you to not worry so much about associative tells.
3) He might be confident that he can talk his way out of it.
This is all possible, the question is, what is most likely to happen in a given situation, and your points while valid are unlikely to me.
It's important because I have had separate town reads on BW first and JM now that i tested how he would react right before getting lynched, so the fact that GM first and you second put them both toghether as scum is something I wanted to examine. If you are town and think that they are reading less scummy now, this is in part thanks to my effort so I don't see why you would discount it.
Never played with him before. And unless I have a very specific reason, I don't meta people.
Basically you are saying here you are lazy.
You're asking the wrong person.
I am asking everyone, your reply is useless for town.
Also, low hanging fruit can't be scum?
Definitely, it just worries me because I have a mafia read on you at the moment, this kind of statement isn't going to help one way or the other.
But if the accusations against her were wrong, then what do you think about the motivations behind the people pushing those accusations?
Since I'm the accuser I know the motivation, I wanted to put the people who voted for RM on the spotlight.
If it's standard practice, then I don't understand why she'd have to point it out. Also, most of the other players in this game have enough experience that they'd know better.
This is inconsistent with a newbie game, if I were IC and playing with a bunch of new people I'd make sure they knew what was possibly scummy and what was just normal. She cleared this point herself however by saying that she voted RM only for her vote on JM, I tend to believe her here, I misinterpreted her when I read it the first time.
Would it matter if she did? Does it change your read on her slot?
First of all Yui113 is a guy, second of course it mattered because he had the opportunity to quickhammer a guy so if he as mafia thought he could get away with it chances are he might have done so, if you believe like I do that he actually thought it was possible to get away with a quickhammer then the fact he did not quickhammer points to him being town or to the slot he had the chance to quickhammer bieng his mafia partner. Why are you asking me this, don't you follow this game? You look very uniformed given the questions you are
asking.
Being read as obvtown by the player-base without being concerned about it isn't a town mindset.
But I am worried about it, that's why I have been trying to understand if:
- it was just due to me unluckily ending with a bunch of lurkers thus making it clear I was town by virtue of being the only one trying to post useful stuff
- Mafia wanted me to look town because I was pushing on the wrong people.
- Mafia are part of the lurkers so they did nothing this game including putting suspicion on people.
And I don't know why I'm the only person worried about it.
Again this is completely useless. Compare it to my answer to you.
You act as though people can't chainsaw their townreads or have similar reads. I assure you, both can happen and there's the possibility both of us are just clicking.
Not at all, I am saying it is an anomaly that is well worth investigating, whether it was something that happened by chance or something else is for every town to decide, I don't like it.
What's the benefit in lying about her role? And if she's in danger of getting lynched, claiming VT isn't going to save her.
Are you kidding me? What is the benefit of claiming VT?
As you said if she is about to get lynched claiming VT won't save her, so if she actually gets lynched this statement has 0 value.
Let's examine the case where she does not get lynched, always possible at L-1, then at the end of the day mafia have a pool of 5 (2 mafia, 1 lynch and 1 VT are not under consideration) into which to kill to find a PR, compare it to the case where she does not say she is VT, then mafia have a pool of 6 people. This means that if she is not lynched the statement she made actually give mafia a 3.3% better chance of actually lynching a PR or in other words is of negative value to town (keep in mind this is only day 1, with every lynch the numbers become progressively worse for town).
So the net result of this statement is that it's always bad.
If you were in a set-up where the existence of a cop was a given, wouldn't you want to take every measure necessary that you don't accidentally just lynch him because he was playing poorly?
This is very different from letting someone out himself as PR if he is under risk of getting lynched, that's obviously a good thing.
, you using it to push more on the low hanging fruit is worrisome (see earlier quote).