Touhou: Mafia in the Land of Fantasy (Game Over)

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Spoiler: For Posterity

HLY FUCK I KNW IT ITS FUCKING WAYNEGG

Go eat shit and die.

In case he's actually that stupid, reads would be a good idea ASAP, kaze.

Uh guys once again i'd like to remind you that the claimed mason just said "no touching gaiden" so uh yeah.

Welcome to waynegg. Enjoy your stay, chamber.

Muffin, tell me why we should lynch somebody that hasn't had a chance to claim over a vaguely useless role?

Is that something done to you, messiah?

...Did the village innocent idiot just suggest that I'm scum because I went through Mollie's ISO and found their posts relating to muffin? I think that just fucking happened.

Huh. News to me. Still town though, so it doesn't really matter. You're still speedlynchiing muffin tomorrow.

I asked if I have anything stealable, I was told turtles are nice.

---

Fish thinks I'm town, desperado did a huge wallpost about why I'm scum. Can you two make up your goddamn mind and give me a summary? (Also your claim does not make much sense and after tons of questions to giffy

I confirmed I have no item that is stealable so the mechanics of your role makes even less fucking sense.

)

This is a lie.

GIF PMed us unprompted to tell us that other players will not know if they have an item to be stolen.

The rest of those reads are all hot garbage anyway. How many fucking times did he say "if by some miracle you are town?" It's all bullshit.

- Des

Then I take it you'll have no problems self-voting tomorrow after my townflip? I can live with that. Sorry to see that mollie was right about you, I was hoping she wasn't so that I could tease her about it postgame.

I've already accepted I'm probably gonna die today, so you may proceed to get rekt tomorrow.


Also if gif actually did PM you unprompted rather than as a response to your specific questioning, I'm going to have to have a word with him postgame about the proper behaviors of a game moderator; because that's intervention.

Call it whatever you'd like, desperado. It's your funeral.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Nacho, you around?

[GoodCop_BadCop]

If you say so. I kinda forgot what you wanted, lemme go find where you started.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

I'm here, you're here; let's talk then; nacho.

Why did you make such a big deal out of the Amaranth hydra situation? What alignment-relevant information did you have there?

I made a big deal about it because I felt like this was scum-you pulling a stunt to fly low, avoid having to make any major waves in the ffery-mollie fight and day one's events in general. Also, it gave me info the entire game didn't have so I felt an urgent need to talk to giffy first. I'm sure we all remember NY165?

[GoodCop_BadCop]

I'm here, you're here; let's talk then; nacho.

Why did you make such a big deal out of the Amaranth hydra situation? What alignment-relevant information did you have there?

I made a big deal about it because I felt like this was scum-you pulling a stunt to fly low, avoid having to make any major waves in the ffery-mollie fight and day one's events in general. Also, it gave me info the entire game didn't have so I felt an urgent need to talk to giffy first. I'm sure we all remember NY165?

but you had the knowledge that i was amaranth for a while, didn't you? (or at least the feeling of it)
it was just weird that i started suspecting you and then you were like WOAHHHH AMARANTH IS NACHO

I didn't really think that much about it at first but then "oh hey here comes nacho trying to mislynch me" tends to9 joggle my memory just a tad. Your play early game doesn't make sense from you, as both your town and scum models.

why did you claim bulletproof?
i want to get it from your mouth since prohawk doesn't understand gambits

A combination of "kise already semi-outed me so I can't run any cool gambits" paired with over-eager "Hey cool, strongman flip, I'm practically confirmed town suck it scum" and also general frustration at certain aspects of the game. You've got to realize that frustration usually leads to me playing like this. Kinda like how it was in xenogears; but with annoying tunnels instead of a flaked hydra partner.

also what was town about ffery's replace out?

Is this sarcasm or do you really not see how obviously town ffery's replace out was?

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Kagami I'm surprised your ears didn't perk up when I said "scum oneshot vig"

[GoodCop_BadCop]

FE:A's was night one only.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Is this sarcasm or do you really not see how obviously town ffery's replace out was?

Why was ffery's replace out town?

Oh shit, you're serious?

Ffery, my apologies for making you the topic of discussion when you can't chime in on your own.

Her pride and honor, dude.

You've already seen how town-mollie pegging the fuck out of ffery-scum goes (xenoblade) She sits there and takes it.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Because you do realize town-mollie incorrectly suspecting her usually ends with ffery responding and posting and not replacing out, right?

I'm not as good at supporting her through those fights as you were in the Walking Dead game. That much is my fault.

P-edit: varsoon you've already stated your opinion, buzz off and let me talk to nacho thanks.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

But go back and re-read day one and tell me you see morph-scum there, Nacho. Can you?

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Because surely if you're gonna call me scum, you've got all these glowing indications of morphscum and cops-scum, right?

I mean, I'm a scumfuck to you, aren't I? Where's your passion? Your "I'm gonna lynch the fuck out of you"-ness? Your masturbatory wall full of things that "Hey guys this is scum talking"?

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Or maybe this is your plan to sort me? Push me off the deep end since having one annoying arse rage at me isn't enough?

"Oh man I bet cabd will totally be transparent if I piss him off, let's do it!"

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Oh right, varsoon, make it two. Desp gets a pass for being otherwise logical.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Do you have any idea how fucking excited I was for this game?

Me and ffery roll fucking infinite bulletproof, which to us is as good as treestump, we get to be a pivotal part of this game and help lead town to victory. And then we get shitpile after shitpile of utter GARBAGE dropped on us. She replaces out, giving up. I almost do so as well, but I've got a policy against it, so I ask hawk if he'll back me up and he agrees. And then guess what? more shitpiles. Shitpile after shitpile after shitpile.

Is it any surprise I'm less than amazingly motivated this game?

[GoodCop_BadCop]

The main concern is that I don't see morph-town.

That's your own failure, then. There's literally nothing I can do to help you there.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Or maybe this is your plan to sort me? Push me off the deep end since having one annoying arse rage at me isn't enough?

"Oh man I bet cabd will totally be transparent if I piss him off, let's do it!"

where am i specifically acting to piss you off, exactly?

You're right, let me rephrase that. It's not the things you're saying, it's the very fact that you haven't figured out I'm town by now that's pushing me over the edge. There's very few players I expect to correctly find town-me; and you're one of them. This is like the cherry on top of this clusterfuck.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

..I'm getting too upset. I'll be back in a bit.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Well, I'm here, I'm just trying to calm down.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Getting worked up doesn't really help anyone.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

There's very few players I expect to correctly find town-me; and you're one of them.

I can very very very rarely read you, and in this specific clusterfuck of a game, reading you isn't exactly easy.

You under-estimate yourself. I've only really fooled you twice (1531 doesn't count because lol masons).

NY 165 and that one Vi upick that I shant name.

You've got me right in Walking Dead, Xenoblade, Perpetual Mylo, Chef mafia (fuck you for mislynching me anyways~) mismatching flavor (we nightkilled you for a reason bro) Pick and ban, We the Purple (it took you a while but you pegged me), red wedding, fire emblem....

So yeah, history kinda says you should be able to get me right.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

The fact that sakura got it right first should be your wakeup call, bro.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

This elaboration would be wonderfully relevant now.

Fuck if I remember, hang on, I'll have to mine google talk logs.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

You're right with this.On a scale of 1-10, how transparent was ffery this game? (1)Would you be reading ffery in the morph slot as town in my position? (no)

about a 5 or so/dunno

[GoodCop_BadCop]

I don't think ffery's replace out was trust tell town levels like you said it would be. I think ffery's replace out was alignment neutral; I don't think she'd be happy to replace out as either alignment and just because you have a scum role PM doesn't mean that you can't get frustrated in all the same way. I'm sure you recognize that her getting lynched in Xenoblade instead of replacing out (especially considering this was before everyone was so raw with one another) doesn't actually mean that she has honor to stay in and take the lynch in the end: her staying in Space Mafia after Wake's idiocy shows that she can "take" a lynch as town as well.

I'm well aware it's not true trust tell level, and as I hinted at before, she's probably raging in the dead/spoiler QTs that her replace out behavior has become the topic of discussion.

I'd kill to be able to post the relevant logs of our decision to half-replace out, but I can't, so you'll have to bear with me as I paraphrase them and strip timestamps.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

This is the second weird interaction with flipped scum.

We both felt gaiden was acting natural and agreed with Kaze's little meta-dive. It reminded ffery of her and bork's dive on fuzzy in 1525.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

i have work soon

Also I don't think I've told you "awesome that this exists!" yet so there, now I have.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

entire scumteam in your preliminary townlists

You think the other three or four or whatnot are in my day one town list?

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Action Dan

Waynegg
Lush Life

Tsukasa
Mac

Kazekirimaru

Muffin
Messiah Complex

Pieguy

^Untouchable Pile for today

[GoodCop_BadCop]

I'm going to dinner, I'll be able to reply as cabd from my phone and will quote them later.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

what do you all of you have against me anyways

posts like this

A combination of "kise already semi-outed me so I can't run any cool gambits" paired with over-eager "Hey cool, strongman flip, I'm practically confirmed town suck it scum" and also general frustration at certain aspects of the game.

so prohawk said that you did this partially as some sort of gambit to find scum. what did that mean?

And then we get shitpile after shitpile of utter GARBAGE dropped on us. She replaces out, giving up. I almost do so as well, but I've got a policy against it

this feels like huge exaggeration - especially given mollie was the only one piling this "garbage" onto you and nothing mollie said was even that bad

And then guess what? more shitpiles. Shitpile after shitpile after shitpile

also what is this referring to? jaqen?

I was having him leave stuff open to pivot into a "not bulletproof, actually let me fake this result and gain reactions" play but the game state and mass claim makes it a moot point. If you want a better explain action I can give you the long version when I'm not phone posting.


It may well feel like an exeggaderarion from where you sit but I assure you my mental state at the time was there or worse.

Yes, and varsoon.


In that order for muffin.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Anyway, for serious, I'm spent and busy.
If I'm not around, don't let the jerkbutts trick you into lynching me.

I tried to kill you N1, GCBC. Didn't work.

How is GCBC confirmed?

Who did you re-direct? Given I'm unlimited bulletproof, whoever you re-directed is confirmed to not have made the nightkill last night.

That was what I was referring to Muffin

~GC

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Yes Varsoon... yes

~GC

[GoodCop_BadCop]

So, anyway, we should lynch some scum.

You know you aren't actually voting anyone right?

~GC

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Not Voting: Nachomamma8, zMuffinMan, Kagami, Varsoon

It's important that you four put votes down soon.

~GC

[GoodCop_BadCop]

@cabd,

here's what i'm thinking about right now. kise apparently picked up on a stump crumb from you D1 (though where this crumb is in your ISO i dunno and i can't find it from a quick search through it) and that implies either you were crumbing your role or kise saw something that wasn't actually there. so if you were crumbing your role, why the fuck would you be crumbing that D1? and if kise saw something that wasn't there, why did you kick up a big stink about it instead of just denying it? and in either case, why did this matter at all to you? coz you've been saying that kise outing your stump crumb is part of the reason you claimed so early but i don't get how that makes any sense whatsoever. especially given varsoon claimed to try to redirect to you to have you killed <- that would kinda imply that at least varsoon (who i believe you were still thinking was scum at the time) was unaware of or didn't care about your "stump" crumb. on another note, if you were still thinking varsoon was scum at the time (and everything you guys have been saying points to this) why weren't you more suspicious of him saying he tried to kill you?

You've got the order of events wrong:

Day one starts
I crumb bulletproof by talking about "how I'll be around for a long time" yada yada.
Kise outs the crumbs and goes "ha ha look guys they're crumbing stump and or bulletproof"
Day one ends with varsoon the counterwagon to lynched gaiden-scum.
Day Two Begins
Varsoon claims he re-directed any actions from wayne to me.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

So I can't believe that I straight up wrote that I tried to kill you,
and I didn't get lynched for it.

Like, reading 4178, I giggled thinking you edited the quote.
But that's what I actually wrote.

Hahahaha x 1 billion

It's this that makes a man think if Muffin were a target for investigation, it was redirected from Muffin to GCBC. It's my biggest reason for thinking you're scum with him as well.

You know you'd actually be pretty good this round if you'd stop fitting the game state to your reads, and try fitting the reads to the game state instead. If they had been re-directed and I was scum as you think I am, no fucking way mollie wouldn't be screaming up and down dancing for joy.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

she throws tantrums like this as scum

I've seen her throw shitty tantrums with you as both alignments. A lot of the tantrum from pick and ban didn't make it onto the thread but it was still there in her chats with me (partially because nacho was more active that game as well).

I've got a town PM that says I'm gonna be around for a long time

so you can either choose to work with me or not. It doesn't matter. I've dealt with parts of a townblock that hate me before. I'm still gonna make it work.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Well, who should I vote for, then?

You know my opinion on the matter, I kind of made a nice fancy reads list a few pages ago. Not that you really care about my opinion though.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Well then this. IF a boy can explain how with the known setup of limited shot X, that unlimited BP fits in as a town role, a man will move on. As it stands, based on flips, such a role makes sense only in the hands of scum

Have you read guy in freezer's mini theme? let me show you, it's quicker than explaining.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

I forgot to do this, didn't I -.-

Mafia Role PMs

Spoiler: Sakura Hana

Welcome to Phoenix Wright Mafia!

You are

Damon Gant (

Mafia Godfather Jailkeeper

)

.




You are Damon Gant, the Chief of Police (again, somehow!)
You and your partners ended up killing the mod to take his fortune, only to realize that the gossip was false and the mod was totally broke.
Now you and your partners were arrested and stuck in the courtroom for a while.
If you just wait out, there's a pretty good chance that you will be caught and you don't want that to happen.
In order to get out of the courtroom safely, you have to silence people... forever.

Your teammates are:

theslimer3

, who is

Furio Tigre (

Mafia Goon

)

thenewearth

, who is

Redd White (

Mafia Tracker

)

Abilities

Citizen Under the Law:

During the day, you may talk to other players and vote.

Chief of Police:

Who dares to think that chief of Police department can be murderer?
You will not be incriminated by any alignment-indicative results.

Police Force:

During the night, you can send your police force to effectively quarantine your target at night.
Quarantined target won't be able to perform any action but he will also be protected from any danger.

Planning for murder:

During the night, you may talk to your teammate in this QT:
http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/BYG5rxL3eFke

Eternal Silencing:

During the night, you and your teammate may submit who to kill in the QT provided.

Win Condition

You win when you control the majority of the courtroom or nothing can prevent it from happening.

Here's your fakeclaim:

Welcome to Phoenix Wright Mafia!

You are

Lwarence "Moe" Curls (

Town Jailkeeper

)

.



You are Moe, the clown who is now the ringmaster of Berry Big Circus.
You were arrested because you were telling annoying jokes to the officer.
What kind of officer would arrest someone for murder suspect for telling annoying jokes?

Abilities

Citizen Under the Law:

During the day, you may talk to other players and vote.

Aha, aha, aha, aha...

You just love to tell jokes to people around you.
During the night, you may send your moderator a PM to tell jokes to.
Your target will be stuck at his place, but also no one will dare to come close to you, because they don't want any of your jokes.

Win Condition

You win when all the murderers are purged.

Spoiler: TNE/MafiaSSK

Welcome to Phoenix Wright Mafia!

You are

Redd White (

Mafia Tracker

)

.




You are Redd White, the president of BlueCorp company.
You and your partners ended up killing the mod to take his fortune, only to realize that the gossip was false and the mod was totally broke.
Now you and your partners were arrested and stuck in the courtroom for a while.
If you just wait out, there's a pretty good chance that you will be caught and you don't want that to happen.
In order to get out of the courtroom safely, you have to silence people... forever.

Your teammates are:

Sakura Hana

, who is

Damon Gant (

Mafia Godfather Jailkeeper

)

theslimer3

, who is

Furio Tigre (

Mafia Goon

)

Abilities

Citizen Under the Law:

During the day, you may talk to other players and vote.

BlueCorp:

During the night, you can stalk someone to "gather information." (Checking who he visited at night.)

Planning for murder:

During the night, you may talk to your teammate in this QT:
http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/BYG5rxL3eFke

Eternal Silencing:

During the night, you and your teammate may submit who to kill in the QT provided.

Win Condition

You win when you control the majority of the courtroom or nothing can prevent it from happening.

Here's your fakeclaim.

Welcome to Phoenix Wright Mafia!

You are

Dick Gumshoe (

Town Tracker

)

.



You are Dick Gumshoe, the detective.
You were not really arrested, but you were told by your superior to stay in the courtroom until everything settles out.

Abilities

Citizen Under the Law:

During the day, you may talk to other players and vote.

Investigation:

Investigation is in his spirit!
During the night, you may PM the moderator about the target you want to track.
You will receive a report of who you target visited.

Win Condition

You win when all the murderers are purged.

Spoiler: theslimer3

Welcome to Phoenix Wright Mafia!

You are

Furio Tigre (

Mafia Goon

)

.



You are Furio Tigre, the owner of the loanshark company "Tender Lender."
You and your partners ended up killing the mod to take his fortune, only to realize that the gossip was false and the mod was totally broke.
Now you and your partners were arrested and stuck in the courtroom for a while.
If you just wait out, there's a pretty good chance that you will be caught and you don't want that to happen.
In order to get out of the courtroom safely, you have to silence people... forever.

Your teammates are:

Sakura Hana

, who is

Damon Gant (

Mafia Godfather Jailkeeper

)

thenewearth

, who is

Redd White (

Mafia Tracker

)

Abilities

Citizen Under the Law:

During the day, you may talk to other players and vote.

Planning for murder:

During the night, you may talk to your teammate in this QT:
http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/BYG5rxL3eFke

Eternal Silencing:

During the night, you and your teammate may submit who to kill in the QT provided.

Win Condition

You win when you control the majority of the courtroom or nothing can prevent it from happening.

Here's your fakeclaim:

Welcome to Phoenix Wright Mafia!

You are

Will Powers (

Vanilla Townie

)

.


You are Will Powers, the actor of the Children's TV show.
Your scary visage once again managed to bring you some trouble.
Officer Meekins arrested you because your face looked like a criminal's!

Abilities

Citizen Under the Law:

During the day, you may talk to other players and vote.

Win Condition

You win when all the murderers are purged.

SK Role PM

Spoiler: Kalimar

Welcome to Phoenix Wright Mafia!

You are

Shelly De Killer (

1-shot Bulletproof 1-shot Dayvig Ninja Serial Killer

)

.



You are Shelly de Killer, the assassin who is the third heir to a line of "de Killer" family.
You have infiltrated the courtroom by the request of your client to perform one job: kill the judge.
However, you quickly learned that there are way too many people stuck in the courtroom to secretly kill your target.
You only have one choice left. Casualties are certainly unavoidable... You must silence them all... forever.

Abilities

Citizen Under the Law:

During the day, you may talk to other players and vote.

Professional Assassin:

Your actions won't be able to be spotted.

Assassin's Dedication:

Dying before you finish your mission will be greatly shameful for you and your ancestors. You will survive one nightkill but you won't be notified if you were targetted for nightkill or not.

C-4 Explosive:

You have a remote mini C-4 bomb that will explode by your command. Simply post the name in your QT and it will be done.
Blowing someone up will NOT end the day and it will reset all the votes.

Self-Journal:

During the night, you can post your thoughts/actions in this QT:
http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/RdWHCgPhiaTr

Eternal Silencing:

During the night, you may submit who to kill in the QT provided.

Win Condition

You win when you are the only one to survive and nothing can prevent that from happening.

Here's your available fakeclaims:

Welcome to Phoenix Wright Mafia!

You are

Franziska Von Karma (

Vanilla Townie

)

.



You are Franziska Von Karma, the prodigy.
You were looking for a certain prosecuting attorney when you were arrested just for hanging out near the courtroom by officer Meekins.
(Added with the charge of second-degree assault upon the arrest.)

Abilities

Citizen Under the Law:

During the day, you may talk to other players and vote.

Win Condition

You win when all the murderers are purged.

Welcome to Phoenix Wright Mafia!

You are

Franziska Von Karma (

Town Vigilante

)

.



You are Franziska Von Karma, the prodigy.
You were looking for a certain prosecuting attorney when you were arrested just for hanging out near the courtroom by officer Meekins.
(Added with the charge of second-degree assault upon the arrest.)

Abilities

Citizen Under the Law:

During the day, you may talk to other players and vote.

Whipshot:

During the night, you may submit the name of who you want to whip furiously.
Whipped target will stay unconcious and be "out of the game."

Win Condition

You win when all the murderers are purged.

Welcome to Phoenix Wright Mafia!

You are

Franziska Von Karma (

Town Dayvig

)

.



You are Franziska Von Karma, the prodigy.
You were looking for a certain prosecuting attorney when you were arrested just for hanging out near the courtroom by officer Meekins.
(Added with the charge of second-degree assault upon the arrest.)

Abilities

Citizen Under the Law:

During the day, you may talk to other players and vote.

Whipshot:

During the day, you may submit the name of who you want to whip furiously.
Whipped target will stay unconcious and be "out of the game."
You can only do this once.
Note that taking someone down with the whip will NOT end the day and will cause the votes to be resetted.

Win Condition

You win when all the murderers are purged.

Notice the complete safeclaims that fit into the setup?


And more importantly, if my bulletproof was a scum role, where's the town night killing action?

Hint: Strongman shot for scum counter-acts an otherwise unkillable town role.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

In lieu of any counterclaims, sure; and I'd probably end up not figuring you out until LYLO.

Setups that contain a doc usually don't have a strongman in them too unless there's straight FTC.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

FTC?

True follow the cop, as in a doctor and a cop with no restrictions that can act every night.

Example:

1-shot strongman and 4 goons vs VTs, Cop, Doc, Gated Vig, Town RB, 2 Neighbors, rest VT to make a total of 20

[GoodCop_BadCop]

It leaves a no win situation for scum. Say a boy, a scum, and a tv make it to LyLo. Vt is killed. Stalemate.

Easy fix for ya, here. All roles in LYLO math are ignored.

@MOD please confirm that in the event of an endgame scenario of a hypothetical bulletproof townie and a mafia goon, that mafia is granted the win.

As for "that would never be allowed"

A: have you even SEEN some of the shit gif puts out there?

B: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=29163

BROseidon, Mafia Goon
AngryPidgeon, Mafia Bulletproof
TMTOLBTWNTOF, Mafia Goon was lynched day3
Cephrir, Mafia Goon was killed Night 3
RadiantCowbells, Mafia Roleblocker was lynched day7

JacobSavage, Serial Killer was lynched day8

Nero, VT was lynched day1
ProHawk, VT was killed night1
TheIrishPope, VT was killed night1
BulbaFenix, VT was lynched day2
Calcifer, VT, was killed Night 2.
StevieT92, VT, was killed Night 2.
Zdenek, VT, was killed Night 2.
orcinus_theoriginal, VT, was killed Night 3.
dramonic, Town Bulletproof was lynched day4
jon_h61, VT, was killed Night 4.
Baby Spice, Town White Mage was lynched day5
Thirdkoopa, Town 2-Shot Vigilante, was killed Night 5.
StubbsKVM, VT was lynched day6
Rift Adrift, Town Tracker, was killed Night 6.
Serene, VT, was killed Night 7.
Ankamius, Town 2-Shot Cop was killed Night 7.
Shadi1337, VT, was endgamed day8.
penguin_alien, VT, was endgamed day8.

Town White Mage.

Once per night, you can PM me the name of a player, and attempts to kill them

that night and the following night

will fail.

You win when all threats to the town are gone.

Confirm via PM.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

You are dramonic,

Town Bulletproof.

Attempts to kill you by methods other than lynching will fail.

You win when all threats to the town are gone.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Or baring that how about we go back to our mutual past and take a gander at


http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.ph ... GUE-posted!

Players:
1. Jewelquest LYNCHED Day 6 VT
2. homeofmew LYNCHED DAY 4 VT
3. Diaz KILLED NIGHT 4 VT
4. kirbyking ENDGAMED Day 6 VT
5. G landers LYNCHED DAY 2. VT
6. jellyfisher WINNER Werewolf
7. Pikamaster PMysterious ENDGAMED Day 6 Neighbor
8. DarthPika LYNCHED DAY 3. Neighbor
9. jpulice WINNER Werewolf

10. thunderjolt KILLED NIGHT 5. Priest.

11. pokemonfreak5 WINNER WEREWOLF
12. scraftyG LYNCHED DAY 1. Vigilante

13. Glaceon KILLED NIGHT 2. Seer

14. pokemonplayer101 Innocent Shine ENDGAMED DAY 6 VT
15. Kezzup Jason WINNER WEREWOLF
16. Dragonclyne725 ENDGAMED DAY 6 VT
17. PokeChampofPokeBeach KILLED NIGHT 3. Roleblocker

18. Cabd WINNER Alpha Werewolf

19. King Piplup ENDGAMED DAY 6 VT
20. TheKing Scottistru LYNCHED DAY 5 VT

ou are Venomoth, the ALPHA WEREWOLF
Your trainer from Team Rocket trained you to escape the restrictions of your collar, so you are free to roam around and do as you will at night. Your trainer also wanted you to evolve to Venomoth (and you did!).
You are a Werewolf with jellyfisher, jpulice, pokemonfreak5, and Kezzup. This Quicktopic can be used for any wolfy activities. It can be completely anonymously if you wish. No login is required to post messages. It is also un-googleable. You may also communicate in any other way you wish.
Role: Alpha Since you are the leader of the Rocket Pokémon here in the Dev Spire, you control the kill. PM me after you have conversed with your team who you would like to slay each night. Additionally, you will read Town to any investigation until you commit the wolf Night kill yourself.
Role 2: 1-Shot Strongman Once per game you may use this power. Your kill will pierce protection around your victim.
Win Condition: Wolves win.

Check that out. Full follow the cop countered by... oneshot strongman.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

We can keep playing the setup spec game all night if that's actually what you want, wayne. I've got plenty of data I can mine.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

You're relying too heavily on your claim and that bugs me.

That is the question on the table right now. DO you have play oriented questions for me?

[GoodCop_BadCop]

You win when you control the majority of the courtroom or nothing can prevent it from happening.

Scum doesn't have majority at 1/1

You win when all threats to the town are gone.

Town hasn't eliminated all threats at 1/1

Stalemate

A boy knows, as a man does, PG games were all bastard and as such irrelevant.

This is literally resolvable by basic site rules here, bro.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

@wayne
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... e_to_Mafia

the game can be called when the Mafia gains veto power over the Day's vote

- that is, when all of the Mafia voting together can prevent a majority from ever sentencing one of their own.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

What are your reads as of right now, and what would you prefer happen if you died?

Post 3977 is a thing.

How do you feel about the Saki wagon?
He's 100% more likely to flip scum than I am! His reaction to his wagon is pretty chickenshit too.

How do you feel about your own wagon?
Some players on it are justifiable, others worry me. I kinda gave my opinions on every lpayer in the game in 3977, you know.

If you want to reference earlier posts, at least provide a post tag or link to them.[/quote]

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Stalemate

is

a call.

We can argue this until

the cows come home

giffy shows up and tells you I'm right if you really want, but stalemates are always resolved by priority-based win conditions. Mafia pre-empts town, SK usually pre-empts mafia.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Thanks.
I'll stay on Saki, against my better judgement.
If you're scum at the end of the game, I'll laugh or something. I'd rather not lynch you.

Well, if I'm scum at the end of the game (or any part for that matter), giffy owes the entire player list pizza for flipping my win condition mid game without announcing this as bastard.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Nacho dude, you should be off work by now. Come on, I still have stuff to discuss with you.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

as long as mafia was the same number as the village (assuming no other factions) it would be game end.

That's the rule here too unless specific non-normal mechanics specify otherwise.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Aight, let's town-win, then.
If scum wins, then you're terrible.

I won't be alive at endgame unless we lynch nothing but scum for quite a while, I have to die before lylo, remember? Otherwise scum just leaves jaquen alive and takes the free victory.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

And not seeing stalemate options in GiF set ups by way of what a boy links has done naught but strengthen a man's pov. These are all the reasons a man thinks GCBC is scum.

1. D1 slip

Which relied entirely upon your mistaken assumption that scum did not have daytalk and... oh yeah, flipped scum encryptor.

2. Not responding to slip allegations in a

logical

manner. No, imabepissyandreplaceoutbecauseyouhavelegitreasontosvumreadmemollie is not logical

What a surprise, me getting pissed off at you tunneling a slip that isn't a slip. And we both know ffery's replace out had nothing to do with your "slip" and everything to do with mollie and ffery's catfighting (which spans like every game they share here at MS, I can give you links if you actually care.

3. A boy's reach to discredit ALL who scum read him instead of just being town, e.g. scum hunting

...Does everyone fucking ignore my reads lists? Also show me instances of me discrediting everyone on my wagon. You won't find them. I've attacked your credibility (because you're playing anti-town) though.

4. If a boy were town, he wouldn't have known Lush died. It took 7 minutes to provide a case for muffin scum when the day started. A man posed a random question (one that a boy knew was coming) just seconds after a boy engaged a man in said conversation. After 30 minutes a boy still hadn't responded, even to call a man full of shit and that there was no crumb of investigation. A boy failed this test because he couldn't replicate the speed to respond to something unknown. This leaves the distinct impression that Lush's death was not unknown to a boy.

Fun game. Let's play "how long does it take to pull somebody ISO from day two and look for their votes"? Go on, EVERYONE is invited to play. And news flash, wayne, despite what you might think, I don't sit on the computer every waking second to play mafia. Fuck if I remember what I was doing. On the can, maybe? In the shower? This is a case of you trying to fit the game state to your read on me.

5. A boy's sum total of the day's participation has been to try to convince others he is town. A man knows a boy always plays to his wincon. How exactly does that play to a town wincon?

Uh... "Town wins by not lynching town" is kind of a thing? And once again holy fucking shit, maybe instead of mocking my reads lists, you might read them and see that... oh yeah, I am calling out scum suspects.

6. Balance issues in relation to a boy's claim

You don't really have a picture of balance considerations here if you think that town BP is an impossible role in this game. Like, town bulletproof is absolutely a thing that exists in setups.

7. Now, set up spec as well.

I just went over this with the link to NY165. The current trend is to have more powerful towns because of scum winning a ton of larges. I can link the thread by the skittle if you care that much.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

How will you die before Lylo?
You're bulletproof, right?
Why should you die before Lylo?
You're town, right?

Short of being cleared by another PR or wayne admitting his tunnel was incorrect, I will have to self-lynch the day before LYLO. I'd just rather never make it to LYLO and lynch all the scum instead.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Also in my homesite as long as mafia was the same number as the village (assuming no other factions) it would be game end.

This doesn't lead to that situation. It would end the game because scum would always have the night and would eventually kill, while no kill could be performed during the day.

This is the situation a man describes

1 town unlimited bulletproof who CAN'T be killed at night

1 scum who WON'T self vote to die during the day

An unstoppable force, meeting an immovable object

Stalemate

We're trying to tell you the endgame rules ignore roles and reduce all remaining players to behave like vanillas at that point.

I'm so tired of waiting I'm gonna bitch at the backup mod to come in here and explain, hang on.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

If a Bulletproof Townie is included in the game, some means of handling the endgame in the event that the Bulletproof player lives that long must be considered. Many moderators will simply ignore Bulletproof aspects if a Win Condition requiring a faction to make up half of the living players is attained - in particular, if only one Mafioso and one Bulletproof Townie are alive, the Mafioso will usually be given the win.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Bulletproof

There. Satisfied, or does one of the mods of the game have to come in and tell me I'm right first?

[GoodCop_BadCop]

You're failing the logical step of "Why the actual fuck does scumcabd with daytalk post that... ever?"

"You all" clearly means THE ENTIRE FUCKING PLAYER LIST.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

For the record if we're going to keep going in circles let me know so I can stop actually trying to show you why you're wrong.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

You're failing the logical step of "Why the actual fuck does scumcabd with daytalk post that... ever?"

"You all" clearly means THE ENTIRE FUCKING PLAYER LIST.

hi guys

Egopost cuz ffery beat me to our usual opener.

Simply because he feels like he can comes to mind

Except egoposting is entirely something that I do in every game I'm a hydra in? Because I follow all my games via the egosearch function. So "Scumcabd would do this really stupid thing just because he felt like it" is kind of a terrible idea.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

I'm waiting to hear back from giffy on if I'm allowed to post logs if I strip timestamps and edit them to not be word for word quotes.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Does a boy say he has never done anything like this as scum just so he can laugh it up at endgame by saying you gave a clue that everyone missed? A man has seen you do it. You can't fault a man for noting that as a part of your meta.

Refresh my memory, sir "master of cabd meta"

[GoodCop_BadCop]

OK. so why would you crumb it?

Because I wanted to? Because in the end, It was gonna come up sooner or later?

[GoodCop_BadCop]

and this all leads back to: why are you mentioning kise pointing out your crumb as a reason for you feeling compelled to claim BP early?

As soon as he outed the crumbs, and my (admittedly poorly obvious) reaction to said reveal happened, the cat was out of the bag and there was no point.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Does a boy say he has never done anything like this as scum just so he can laugh it up at endgame by saying you gave a clue that everyone missed? A man has seen you do it. You can't fault a man for noting that as a part of your meta.

Refresh my memory, sir "master of cabd meta"

...Come to think of it, where have you ever even played with scum-me?

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Pedit. A boy was scum (SK) in one game on another site

...So you're basing your entire "super big match" scum meta case on a single serial killer game on a site with an entirely different playstyle, instead of like... tons of my finished scum games here?

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Just so everyone is on the same page, this is the game he's talking about. I was flipped due to mod error.

http://www.sixprizes.com/forums/threads ... ins.10020/

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Look, if you want to make a meta case on me being scum, then at least try comparing my play here to the right data.


http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=28000
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=31132
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=30839
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=31267
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=29652
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=28438
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=30280
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=30234
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=32087
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=29163
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=32551
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=34898

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Does a boy say he has never done anything like this as scum just so he can laugh it up at endgame by saying you gave a clue that everyone missed? A man has seen you do it. You can't fault a man for noting that as a part of your meta.

I don't do shit like that. It's really fucking stupid because if it gets noticed, you're as good as dead. The closest I've ever gotten to that was when I mocked town INSIDE MY SCUM QT in 1531; because I had been "cleared town" as scum.

Pedit. A man has said he picked up on a possible Cop claim. Do you think a man would be the only one to get that vibe?

No idea. I sure didn't.

A man is now saying he saw that as a possible investigation crumb when it was posted, having had the previous thoughts of Cop. Do you think that scum who picked up the Cop crumb wouldn't also pick this up as an investigation crumb?

Once again, I'm not you, I have no idea if anyone else noticed it. I don't go looking for crumbs prior to flips when I'm town with no protective night action, there's no point.

And then, to bring it a step further, wouldn't it then be all too easy to redirect a town Muffin to a scum for a bad investigation?

You're mistaken on how the mechanic works, though. Gif can confirm this, but in theme games investigations are traditionally done in the form of "Player X is guilty" where X is whichever player they end up on, regardless of their intended target. This came up in Xenogears, where bork clarified it that way, as well.

A man is fine with lynching Muffin first. A man has screamed as much. But, if a Wolf flips town the noose must needs be fitted to a boy.

I like my saki wagon more, it has more support, and also saki's scum outside the night role clusterfuck.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

you, who loves gambits, crumbed bulletproof because you wanted to?

Let me teach you something about my gambits. As scum I plan them out to great lengths. As town, I just leave myself a bunch of scaffolding and work them as need be. Compare Achievement Unlocked (scum) where everything was planned prior to day one opening in the scum QT; and Paraodx Prime (town) where I made up the survivor claim on the spot in LYLO. What scum gambit is there in claiming a role that won't die KNOWING I'll have to self-lynch if we make it to the day before lylo?

[GoodCop_BadCop]

'yeah, I've done stuff like that as scum'

...Ive just answered that, for fuck's sake. Not in the thread, it's stupid. If there's any taunting, it goes into the scum QT for later, or once the game is actually won. You never slip out of character prior to the win, bad shit goes down and HAS for players that do before.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

'yeah, I've done stuff like that as scum'

...Ive just answered that, for fuck's sake. Not in the thread, it's stupid. If there's any taunting, it goes into the scum QT for later, or once the game is actually won. You never slip out of character prior to the win, bad shit goes down and HAS for players that do before.

Huh, or maybe It didn't post? The only time I've taunted like that was in mini 1531. And it was in the scum QT, not in the thread until victory was assured.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

And then, to bring it a step further, wouldn't it then be all too easy to redirect a town Muffin to a scum for a bad investigation?

You're mistaken on how the mechanic works, though. Gif can confirm this, but in theme games investigations are traditionally done in the form of "Player X is guilty" where X is whichever player they end up on, regardless of their intended target. This came up in Xenogears, where bork clarified it that way, as well.

TomAto, tomahto. Redirect lush to a scumbutt. Same results.

Okay let's say varsoon is a redirector, Gif is scum, lush is a cop, muffin is town.

Lush sends in "Cop Muffin"
Varsoon sends in "Redirect all actions from muffin to Gif"

At the end of the night, Lush gets:
"Gif is guilty"

[GoodCop_BadCop]

...I've been saying I have to die before LYLO because of waynegg's read since like day one, IIRC?

Like seriously, dude tunnels like the lovechild of Wisdom and Rank

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Revisit the Lush thing. A man didn't ask what you specifically do. A man asked if scum were to pick up on what a man did, would that not be a logical flow of events. It matters naught if a boy picked up on it. Why a boy chose to make that reference himself is beyond a man. A man would call that a guilty conscious in most circumstances.

It would help if you would speak in understandable English, man. You're just making it harder to understand exactly what point you're making here.

Would scum be wise to shoot a cop they find over claimed masons and an innocent child that's playing antitown? Uh... duh?

Did they actually do that? We don't know. For all I know they shot serene and either an SK or mafia secondshot vig shot mollie. She's a pretty decent night kill target regardless.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

but what i don't understand is why you'd crumb BP D1 if you're actually town BP.

There's literally no way you're ever going to understand me, then. Because that's how I chose to play it.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

I have work in the morning, and playing "pin the logic on the donkey while he runs around in circles" has made me drained anyways.

You can fight the rest out yourselves.

Mod owes us a VC I think.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Vote: dramonic

muffin let's lynch this please

Reach out noted, but how sure are you? I don't mind since it's both not me and a decent shot at scum, but I wanna make sure you're good. The last thing I want to happen is we mislynch somebody today, then me tomrorrow, and then oh hey we're back to even footing instead of in the lead by far.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

If there was one piece of meta I could squash on MS.net it would be people calling other peoples posts terrible/bad/horrible/dumb, etc.

~GC

[GoodCop_BadCop]

GoodCop_BadCop (L-4): ActionDan | Saki | Jaqen Hghar | Messiah Complex | zMuffinMan
Dramonic (L-4): Nachomamma8 | Kagami | Sakura Hana | Varsoon | Katarina LeBlanc

Counterwagons are a thing and a man thinks this one built up fast.

What about the counterwagon to Muffin?

~GC

[GoodCop_BadCop]

A man likes that wagon. It's not the same as a mid or end of day wagon.

I don't see the relationship about you liking it and it not being a town-counter wagon. Also what is the significance between a mid or end of the day wagon versus an early day wagon?

~GC

[GoodCop_BadCop]

then don't get mislynched tomorrow!

Fine.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Dram

[GoodCop_BadCop]

By the way wayne i'm taking your lack of "omg here's where scumcabd totally boasted in a game" post to mean you've finally realized that your read is wrong for several reasons now.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Kat, varsoon claimed that back on day one remember?

@kagami, it's mac. If he thinks nacho is town he'll probably sheep nacho's read of me over his own, since mollie is dead. The sets of 180's are kind of scary in isolation, but if you plot them to nacho's stated reads they synch up.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

VOTE: Saki

^ may move btw

~GC

Did Jaqen swap heads? Or should I just not try reasoning with you?

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Bubba, whats your theory on why Jaqen got a SK result from investigating you?

~GC

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Already sent the word back when you asked about our claim

~GC

[GoodCop_BadCop]

I'm here. Looking to see what Pie wanted. Also, if you got a "serial killer" result and the mod put in an ability to let groupscum make you get that result, the game is utterly bastard and shuld have been advertised as such.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Discode hasn't checked in has he?

I believe discode siteflaked, so we'll be waiting on a replacement.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

I don't really.consider framers/varients bastard. They're within the realm of possibilities

A framer that gives a result of "serial killer"?

[GoodCop_BadCop]

I also skimmed some early stuff and I've decided I'm ignoring the IC if that's good with everyone. k? k

And when I think you can't amaze me... you do it again.

~GC

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Seriously though if you got an sk result from the use of your gift, it's much more likely you got the sk than a defective gift. Or at least the guilty should be lynched first because 95 percent of the time he'll really be guilty

Kinda like how when there is a pretty freaking good chance the flipped cop heavily crumbed a guilty we should probably think about lynching said guilty right?

It seems you didn't really want this question answered since you never followed up on it, even when I mentioned earlier I would be getting to it.

Actually no, I just figured that to you I had this big sign over my face that says scum with a red X over it that whenever I talk it goes "blah blah blippidy blah"

Don't play dumb with me and act like you actually care what I say Jaqen. Your other face was much more reasonable, call him back please? Isn't it his day?

~GC

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Muffin has the right idea here, pretty sure I see it.

Pedit:....what is that vote even?

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Muffin has the right idea here, pretty sure I see it.

Pedit:....what is that vote even?

How can notscience hold to ignoring me while pushing an SK guilty I provided?

I uh....

This is better answered by "It's notscience" and a comparison to PMysterious from the old pokegym days.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Sure, but despite notscience being notscience, he's replaced the claimed doctor. Do you think it's a scum doc? remember we have confirmed flipped town that was macho, so there has to be some sort of protective.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

A man has seen a doc CLAIM come back scum plenty of times. Consolidate that with a PROVEN Jailkeeper.

Combined with the macho modifier on the flipped town role, I don't think it's gonna be scum. What jailkeeper are you talking about? kagami flipped role Stopper which is different entirely.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

I will admit I'm proud of you doing a proper reaction test, though. Maybe there's some little glimmer of hope for you after all.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Anyways, changing your claim under duress is a scumclaim, plus what muffin pointed out, makes this a bubba-SK. My bet is investigation immune, and claiming bomb to ward of nightkills.

Either way, notsci protects jaquen, jaquen rolecops whoever, we go into tomorrow with a clear.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

And even if Wayne's paranoid theory of macscum is correct, NOT doctoring jaquen to get his shot off is a scumclaim.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Also you realize, wayne, that scum won't get multiple protective, right?

So if you think mac/notsci slot is scum, that makes me town?

(Oh and I'm sort of sad you never followed up on me being snarky as scum, probably because I don't do it but hey)

[GoodCop_BadCop]

I really want to protect you guys now I don't even care about the consequences

But playing to win con and all

sigh

Me?

I'm unlimited bulletproof and the scum strongman died day one, yo.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Jailkeeper roleblocks the target and protects the target from all night kills.

Role stopper is like forced commute. Your target is roleblocked, but also untargetable by ANYTHING. Period.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Think of it like giving them a hider shot that auto-targets the mod.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

So, like a priest in werewolf

Similar to the old pokegym implementation of it, yes, but even more powerful.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

I imagine the scum counter-role to the SK is a roleblocker.

So we're looking at:

Scum Ninja (flipped)
Scum Encyptor-Strongman (flipped)
Scum Roleblocker (probably, could be scum protective instead)
Scum Rolecop/Investigative (probably)

Vs

SK (inv immune or BP)

Vs

Town BP (me)
Inno child (wayne)
Mason rolecop (flipped)
Mason encryptor (confirmed town, pie)
2-shot rolecop (flipped)
odd-night cop (flipped)
Macho Rolestopper (flipped)
Role copy (flipped)
Vanila Towns (some flipped)
Inventor (Now SSK's slot)
Doctor (pseudo confirmed by town macho flipping, notsci)

[GoodCop_BadCop]

I'm pretty sure with flipped town and scum power, we're dealing with 4 scum PRs and a SK. It's possible that it's 5 scum, in which case the 5th is probably a goon or some super useless role.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

SK (inv immune or BP)

You either think I'm not SK or I'm BP SK.

Who said you're the only SK candidate?

[GoodCop_BadCop]

SK (inv immune or BP)

You either think I'm not SK or I'm BP SK.

Who said you're the only SK candidate?

Like the fact that you immediately assume I'm only talking about you is full of WTF.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

If i was inv. immune SK I wouldn't be a wagon right now.

...How so? Cop != role cop

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Not to mention wanye clearly stated it was a gambit?

[GoodCop_BadCop]

hey Cabd get in here and talk to me about this autowin plan bc I know you liek autowin plans

I see no autowin plan on the board.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Well, the issue is, giffy is really adverse to making it

{player number}/4 scum AND a SK after both his mini normal and mini theme featured that and he drew flak for it.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Bite me

Make like SSK and lurk if you're just going to continue like this. The thread has enough noise already thanks.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

is this you Cabd

what do you think about my almost-autowin plan

and also walk me through your thought process when Kise claimed he could give out bulletproofs

Yes it's me. Hawkie always signs, I got lazy and stopped signing. IIRC your plan had several holes, lemme check it again.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

and also walk me through your thought process when Kise claimed he could give out bulletproofs

I... he did? News to me. I kind of checked out partyway through yesterday. That said I make zero assumptions about this setup. SSSK should clarify, as soon as his prod timer nears zero he'll post.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

>Varsoon (L-2):

ActionDan

|

Serene

|

dramonic

|

Lush Life

|

Mac

|

pieguyn

| GoodCop_BadCop |

The Chamber of Kittens

bubbajack8 (L-7): Messiah Complex | Kise | SXTLHGaiden | Tsukasa
GoodCop_BadCop (L-10): Jaqen Hghar
Messiah Complex (L-10): Amaranth
Tsukasa (L-10): zMuffinman
SXTLHGaiden (L-8): Kazekirimaru | Katerina LeBlanc | Kagami
Kise (L-10): bubbajack8
dramonic (L-10): Varsoon

Not Voting: Saki

-------------------------------

SXTLHGaiden

(L-3):

Kazekirimaru

| Katerina LeBlanc |

Kagami

|

Messiah Complex

| zMuffinman | bubbajack8 |

Serene

| Saki Lynched
Varsoon (L-4):

ActionDan

|

dramonic

|

Mac

|

Lush Life

| GoodCop_BadCop |

The Chamber of Kittens

| Varsoon
bubbajack8 (L-8): Kise | SXTLHGaiden | Tsukasa
Action Dan (L-10): pieguyn
Messiah Complex (L-10): Amaranth
GoodCop_BadCop (L-10): Jaqen Hghar

Not Voting:

light green = pseudo-conftowns
we can't tell jack and shit from this. both Gaiden and Sakura-slot were on a counterwagon to both of them and we can't tell if Gaiden was scum driven or not. while it's very likely Varsoon is town and GCBC is scum, it's not enough to confirm anything

This is your autowin plan, pie?

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Well, the issue is, giffy is really adverse to making it

{player number}/4 scum AND a SK after both his mini normal and mini theme featured that and he drew flak for it.

A man thinks he could have compensated for that with 4 freaking Cops. It's a full on riot team. And the ones who got those known roles sure weren't of the Keystone variety.

Maybe. Either way, I think at this point it's in town's best intrest to go SK hunting, SK is clearly shooting at town targets and not potential mafia, it does not deserve the leash, right pie?

[GoodCop_BadCop]

tbh I actually believe zmuffin for now. I kind of feel like looking elsewhere atm

vote: bubba

here's an exercise

Nachomamma8 <- Merlin, motivator

pieguyn <- Koishi, mason encryptor

GoodCop_BadCop <- Tenshi, bulletproof
Saki <- Eirin, VT
Sakura Hana <- Yuuka, VT

Mac <- Sanae, doc

Varsoon <- Tewi, 1-shot redirector
bubbajack8 <- Okuu, bomb (SK?)
zMuffinMan <- Aya, 2-shot tracker

Jaqen Hghar <- Patchouli, IC

Katarina LeBlanc <- Yuyuko, oracle

ActionDan <- Remilia, 2-shot kill cop

DisCode <- Nitori, inventor

bold are the ones that are practically confirmed town. Mac included bc Kagami was macho, and Dan for getting a guilty on COK. italics are the ones where the role is confirmed but we don't know if they're really town or not

Kise/DisCode is pretty damn town. Nacho is in no way confirmed and it's possible GIF put a mafia motivator just to fuck with people (a scum role that is exclusively for getting towncred)

1. SXTLHGaiden,
   Reimu Hakurei (

   Bad 1-shot Strongarm Encrypting Girl

   )
   , sent to gap Day 1.
   
2. Serene,
   Satori Komeiji (

   Good Mason 2-shot Rolecopping Girl

   )
   , sent to gap Night 1.
   
3. Kazekirimaru,
   Youmu Konpaku (

   Good Girl

   )
   , sent to gap Night 1.
   
4. The Chamber of Kittens,
   Sakuya Izayoi (

   Bad Ninja Girl

   )
   , sent to gap Day 2.
   
5. Lush Life,
   Shikieiki Yamaxanadu (

   Good Odd-Night Cop Girl

   )
   , went to gap Night 2.
   
6. dramonic,
   Byakuren Hijiri (

   Good Girl

   )
   , sent to gap Day 3.
   
7. Kagami,
   Hong Meiling (

   Good Gatekeeping Girl

   )
   , sent to gap Night 3.
   
8. Messiah Complex,
   Marisa Kirisame (

   Good Stealing Girl

   )
   , sent to gap Night 3.

so, from roles alone:

TOWN: Me, Mac, Dan, Jaqen, Discode, Katarina

leaving 3 scum + SK inthe following assuming 15-5-1:
Nachomamma8
GCBC
Saki
Sakura Hana
Varsoon
bubbajack8
zMuffinMan

so, assuming these reads are right and bubba is actually SK, all we need is one more townread from here and it's autowin

as for teams, I could buy smth like {GCBC, zmuffin} + 2 of Sakura, Saki, Nacho

what does everyone think?

This one, then.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

You can upgrade sakura from your list I think. (and me obviously but I don't think you're willing to take my word for it)

I'm pretty much expecting to lynch scum before LYLO hits, and when and if a scum protective or bulletproof flips i'll be confotown and unkillable.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

She hasn't ben confirmed, but she's my townread from that pile you gave.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Maybe gcbc is sk or godfather - but then we have no one claiming vig, so either sk or mod gave mafia 2 kills night 1. I can give bp vests. So that would make 3 of us who can prevent kills on top of other town power. +the bomb.

Hmm. Well, giving bulletproof vests certainly is interesting. I wonder who the hell vetted this setup because there's a potential for like 7 or 8 confirmed town day two, where massclaim breaks the game wide open.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

(In before empking was the reviewer)

[GoodCop_BadCop]

weren't you saying Kise was scum earlier? what happened to that

Ffery and I scumread him day one for his stances on us. I kind of inherited that. Dram flipping town means I've reset my reads.

My initial thought was Kise would be scum traitor, hence him pointing out my crumbs since the others couldn't talk with him.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Either way, I feel like I can read SSK better if he gets engaged with the game.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

so you think he might be a mafia inventor, whose claimed actions make sense and are pro-town?

One of the claimed PRs pretty much has to be a lie. SSK slot is a longer shot on it, most likely is nacho's slot. The paranoia about notsci's slot went away when kagami claimed macho.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Is there a reason you wanted me and not hawkie, pie?

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Oh well. It's not like we won't be around to talk tomorrow. See you all in however long it takes lazy-giffy to lock n flip n night deadline.

Woops.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Is there a reason you wanted me and not hawkie, pie?

cause afaik you have more experience with autowin plans (and you did the one in xenogears)

wasn't Nacho at least confirmed to be a motivator? although he could easily be a scum motivator

One is more than zero so technically yes.

And yes, he was confirmed motivator but not alignment.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Wait, how exactly did Jaqen get the cop thing he has on Bubba.

Doesn't matter, you killed him, move on.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Also assuming this is gonna be locked when I wake up.


If bubba flips SK, I think he might have been pushing known-to-him scum from missing his night two kill.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Wayne if your invention gets alignment, use it on me, so you can rest your paranoia/have confotown that's unkillable. If it only gives role, use it on somebody you might think is telling a lie about their role so we get a clear or a guilty.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Oh wait, people are speculating I'm godfather. Nevermind. Although If I were, you'd get that back and not bulletproof so... use your best judgement I guess.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

P-edit: How are you sure he missed his kill and not the MAFIA

Because his actions hardly fit any type of scumteam with the two flipped scum? And he practically claimed sk?

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Yeah, i'll hunt them down from our gtalk logs in the morning if the thread isn't locked by then. It's midnight and I have work in the AM.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

cause afaik you have more experience with autowin plans (and you did the one in xenogears)

And I think autowin plans are a swift way to lose the game. Putting the cart before the horses and all that jazz.

Can we lynch Saki?

~GC

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Also lashes crumbs are again inconclusive.

What percent chance they were inconclusive?

~GC

[GoodCop_BadCop]

I concede my muffin point. Re-reading enough times and thinking about it, muffin has a point. If he's scum tracker with no town track/watch role and with the flipped ninja then uh.... I get to write the loss off to "lol setup" and move on.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

And how would muffin know he wouldn't be cced?

Mod-Provided-Safe-Claim.

Also, you are dismissing all possibilities due to : Role-Spec. I completely disagree that there was a zero percent chance Lush was trying to get across a guilty result.

Let me ask you this - Is it against the rules for a mod to put in a ninja with no utility?

~GC

[GoodCop_BadCop]

I'd like to keep my "can read zmuffin" card

Add this to the dumb MafiaScum.net meta-gaming fails.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

~GC

[GoodCop_BadCop]

theories are flawless tend to be idiots.

Or geniuses when their theories are proven correct.

AD, whats your read on Varsoon?

~GC

[GoodCop_BadCop]

My sweet emo child.

I'm around, but after playing "spend twnety pages trying to show wayne why he's wrong" the game; I've realized it's doing absolutely nothing but adding to the post count. So I stopped trying.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Why talk to Wayne? Who is scum?

Day off now. Working on this. My best guess is one amonst the claimed VTs, rest in PRs, but fuckifi'm sure.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

I liked his Day 1 posts and townread him from there.

His Day 2 came super strong early (lol) and idk.

As an SK though it completely changes things.

I'm easily deceived by AtE's.

It's my weakness Q_Q

I liked nonon better, no 'fense. but yeah go back and read kagami's explanations, I can't be SK. I can only be groupscum (I'm not) or town.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Jaqen, I will forgive your ignorance this game if you lynch Varsoon first.

~GC

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Not as bad as you will feel when you see my flip

~GC

[GoodCop_BadCop]

I do! Its called lying Waynegg. I can't wait to read the laughter from the mafia QT.

~GC

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Why are people not voting?

~GC

[GoodCop_BadCop]

All the missing posts iirc were wayne asking giffy a billion questions and decideing varsoon was scum?

Does anyone else remember how that went down?

[GoodCop_BadCop]

More like flying under boredom. People who I feel are scum aren't going to be lynched. I will give my final thoughts in about a day or so before deadline hits. Its probably a pro-town thing we are getting lynched anyway. And Waynegg owes me a recording.

~GC

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Damn it, if you think someone is scum and they aren't being pushed/lynched, don't just roll over and die.
GET THEM LYNCHED. MAKE A CASE! DO IT!

You can only beat a dead horse so much before it turns undead and you become a walker.

~GC

[GoodCop_BadCop]

also anyone who still thinks GCBC is town needs to wake the fuck up and realize what's going on here

I am ~so~ holding this over your head postgame. I don't think I'm really gonna fight my lynch, there's no real reason for me to stay alive to keep getting pushed as LYLO draws near. There's 3 scum and an SK alive, most likely. Me or bubba today since you fuckers won't do saki.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

good undisclosed reason to know a boy is scum.

This is A: bullshit and B: probably against site rules and C: wrong.

Don't ever sign up for a game with me in it ever again when you pull shit like this.


You're alive for the same reason notsci was left alive in xenogears. You're fucking useless and your reads are shit.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Sorry hawk/dead town that have any hope left for this game, stopped caring. Lynch me, you fucking cowards. And then choke on my flip.


1.Nachomamma8
2.pieguyn
3.GoodCop_BadCop
4.Saki
5.Sakura Hana
6.notscience
7.Varsoon
8.bubbajack8
9.zMuffinMan
10.Jaqen Hghar
11.Katarina LeBlanc
12.ActionDan
13.DisCode


Starting tomorrow, you're playing a mini theme that has a 13p 9/1/3 setup; and you're down a mislynch.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Also, wayne, no backpedaling on "oh I was flinging dirt at my townreads to keep them alive"

You fucking misread me, because you're a shittunneler who can't pull his head out of his ass long enough to re-evaluate with new information.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

SK is probably bubba.

Scum is probably saki, maaaaybe notscience (but claim), maybe muffin (fuck if I know about the guilty thing) maaaybe varsoon (fuck if I know, hawk says you're scum)

Town is wayne, pie, kat

Sakura is a townread.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Fuckifiknow slots for SSK and Nacho

Lean town for actiondan I guess.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Town:

2.pieguyn
10.Jaqen Hghar
11.Katarina LeBlanc
12.ActionDan

Probably town but who knows due to setup/reads weirdness:

5.Sakura Hana
6.notscience
9.zMuffinMan

Fuckifiknow:

13.MafiaSSK
1.Nachomamma8
7.Varsoon (Hawk says scum)

Scum:

4.Saki
8.bubbajack8

[GoodCop_BadCop]

As for night actions, doctor assigns heads and tails to the two confirmed innocents, and protects one based upon the flip.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

God, how I wish I took Notsci with me into the LYLO.

You would have won. That's what scum want to do here with waynegg and I.


UNVOTE:
VOTE: bubba


Make sure that only bubba and I are leading wagons come deadline.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Is this game really gaining momentum?!? I completely disagree on Bubba, sorry Cabd.

Jaqen, your biggest weakness is you scum-hunting based around your conf-bias that we are scum. It literally screws up all of your reads. Use something else besides associative tells to scum-hunt until you actually see flips. Just a little pro-tip.

Varsoon, I still don't think you are town. If you actually are town, and want your "gambit" to do what you had intended, you need to prove your fake-claim with your death. Peace.

VOTE: Varsoon

~GC

[GoodCop_BadCop]

What are you complaining about Saki? Its actually an insanely ironic statement coming from you.

~GC

[GoodCop_BadCop]

What makes you think you are going to succumb to a NK over scums current options?

~GC

[GoodCop_BadCop]

If you lynch me, you're just going to lose the game.

This comment goes against what you claim to have had purpose in fake-claiming.

~GC

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Do you find survivalistic votes alignment indicative pie?

~GC

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Also, I am not sure why you are calling my vote survivalistic?

~GC

[GoodCop_BadCop]

It's 4am dude. I'm barely conscious. Game related, i'll push myself to stay up. Not game related, sitechat is your bro.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

I'm bulletproof, but friendship has benefits.

Next is probably lynching me to make people re-evaluate unless my trump card arrives in time.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Sakura, i'm sending you a present tonight. Please await it gleefully.

Is it a really heavy one? You know...don't want to use all her girl power on lifting it. Can she shake it or will it break?

I guess that's for her to know, and for you to pine for.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Doctor on confirmed innocents randomized, if rolecop, it can go on me, if not rolecop but regular cop, use it on somebody like bubba i guess since we all know you're gonna bitch and moan about godfather rather than trust an innocent.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Eh, fair enough.

Whatever, passing out now.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

So 3 things:
1: did sakura get my gift?
2: Who decided to give me a love song?
3: Don't bother pie, unless 1 and 2 are cleared up I'm doing a shitton of work and then self-lynching.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

and
if you're really town
WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU SELF LYNCH IN WHAT'S PROBABLY A 6-3-1 SCENARIO
THAT IS THE MOST SUICIDAL THING I'VE EVER HEARD

Be honest with yourself. You're not going to look at anything I post today and be like "oh hey maybe cabd's town after all" are you? My death is the only way my reads will become relevant, and maybe it'll force town to recalibrate. If I live to (my/ly)lo, I'm the game-losing mislynch. Period. Today's the only day to safely kill me. Which is standard practice for bulletproof claims in the first place.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Willing to assume actiondan-town here, making it:

Spoiler: Cabd does his VCA thingies, this is just for my visual aid

Final day 1 lynch count:

SXTLHGaiden

(LYNCH):

Kazekirimaru

| Katerina LeBlanc |

Kagami | Messiah Complex

| zMuffinman | bubbajack8 |

Serene

| Saki

Varsoon

(L-4):

ActionDan

|

dramonic

|

Notscience

|

Lush Life

|

GoodCop_BadCop

|

The Chamber of Kittens

|

Varsoon

bubbajack8 (L-8):

Mafia SSK |

SXTLHGaiden

| Sakura Hana

Action Dan

(L-10):

pieguyn

Messiah Complex

(L-10):

Nachomamma8

GoodCop_BadCop (L-10):

Jaqen Hghar

Height of actiondan wagon:

ActionDan

(L-1):

pieguyn

| MafiaSSK| bubbajack8 |

Varsoon | Lush Life

| Nachomamma8 |

Messiah Complex

| Katarina LeBlanc |

notscience

Varsoon

(L-9):

dramonic

Katarina LeBlanc (L-9):

Jaqen Hghar

The Chamber of Kittens

(L-8):

ActionDan

|

Kagami

Not Voting:

zMuffinMan,

The Chamber of Kittens

, Sakura Hana, Saki,

GoodCop_BadCop

Day 2 Final Votecount:

ActionDan

(L-6):

MafiaSSK |

Varsoon | Messiah Complex | notscience

Katarina LeBlanc (L-9):

Jaqen Hghar

The Chamber of Kittens

(Lynch):

ActionDan

|

Kagami

| zMuffinMan |

GoodCop_BadCop | pieguyn

| bubbajack8 | Katarina LeBlanc |

dramonic

| Saki | Nachomamma8

Not Voting:

The Chamber of Kittens

, Sakura Hana,

Lush Life

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Dude, lynching the claim that has to die before lylo is standard practice.

Are you gonna sit there and tell me you'd actually ever change your mind on my alignment with honesty? Didn't think so.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Town:

2.pieguyn
11.Katarina LeBlanc
12.ActionDan

Probably town but who knows due to setup/reads weirdness:

5.Sakura Hana
9.zMuffinMan

Fuckifiknow:

13.MafiaSSK
1.Nachomamma8

Scum:

4.Saki
8.bubbajack8

This is my starting point for today, want to go from here.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

That's why scum got gaiden to counter.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

that Varsoon

wagon

ATE/play was fucking terrible.

FTFY, but by all means, continue to be self-righteous.

~GC

[GoodCop_BadCop]

WHY WOULD HE ASK THIS TO SOMEONE HE KNOWS IS TOWN? I don't see what he was aiming to accomplish here and it feels entirely like manipulation and useless fluff

BECAUSE EVERYONE WANTS TO LIVE PIEGUY! SURVIVALISM IS AT OUR CORE, ITS NOT MORESO WITH ONE FACTION OVER THE OTHER.

Maybe the all caps will beat it into your head faster.

~GC

[GoodCop_BadCop]

That's Cabd's. I understand why, but I literally couldn't wait for a Varsoon flip. Conf-Bias and all.

~GC

[GoodCop_BadCop]

So does whoever sent me the musical serenade last night care to chime in?

[GoodCop_BadCop]

So does whoever sent me the musical serenade last night care to chime in?

hey Cabd Sakura claims she didn't get whatever gift you sent her

I'm aware. You'll see why in a bit.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Yes pie, you've made yourself perfectly clear that you're fine with my mislyncyh. It's okay, this game is a slog.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

the musical serenade was obv nacho (i'm guessing the music part of his role still stays even though he's a visitor now)

I seem to be drawing a blank on what this actually does?

[GoodCop_BadCop]

It's called me being lazy and disinterested and depressed. (And a little bit angry giffy didn't alert me when somebody I have publicly blacklisted signed up for his game) Hell if you think this is bad you should go check red wedding or like.... the second half of xenogears.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

I did sheep you on bubba. Hawk votes varsoon while I was asleep. I can't undo that so whatever.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

If you want to call me on the UFO thing then sure, that was a bad read. Katinara scum slipped (not knowing oracle, that's a classic SK tell and you know it) and I called her on it. Are you saying somehow I should have ignored an SK tell?

[GoodCop_BadCop]

So it does nothing but "oh hey music"? Because that seems really weird and eh.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Yeah I don't do the flavor sooooo

[GoodCop_BadCop]

See pie this is why we're lynching me today, because I could say literally ANYTHING right now and it wouldn't matter.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

You've already made up your mind and any back reading you do is going to be shaped by your pre-conceived read on me.

SO if you want to do something productive, play like you and I are dead, and flipped town, and make your scum calls, because that's probably what happens today.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Like the only not-me votes I'd do at this point are saki or bubba.

Bubba's not even trying to pretend he's reading posts anymore.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Yeah so what are you actually asking?

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Have you stopped beating your wife yet, pieguy?

[GoodCop_BadCop]

A: lol you think muffin is low hanging/does low hanging make them less scummy?

B: Have you stopped beating your wife yet, pieguy?

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Have you stopped beating your wife yet, pieguy?

ITT Cabd asks loaded questions to a mason. gj

I'm pointing out that you're asking questions already phrased for the answer you want, not the answer that is the truth.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

You're asking loaded questions that give you fuel for your "cabd is the scums" mind set, not questions that attempt to rethink or evaluate my alignment.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

I've already decided to selflynch today pie, so stop wasting your time and go play elsewhere, or I'm going to keep trolling you AND call the cops about your abusive behavior.