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In post 366, Bulbazak wrote:if their priority was to protect a PR, I could see them trying to derail the lynch.

Agreed. Which is why I'm voting off the wagon today. If I'm scum in this situation I'm doing one of two things:

1. Hard defending so when he flips scum people are like "Yates was defending him too hard to be his scum buddy"
or
2. Finding *ANY* excuse to be on another wagon [in the hopes we can force a no lynch] while commenting as little as possible on my buddy going down

In post 348, Thor665 wrote:I...want Yates to be town...but actually don't see that.

Not sure what would make you think otherwise but mod heard your plea. More on that in a bit.

In post 368, Smudger wrote:Not in this case, any scum team with an experienced player in it would have dropped Zek quickly and played it close to get to wincon.

Maybe. How about you keep your eye on XScorp and Thor for today and lynch off the wagon for reasons stated in post 400? I'm inclined to believe someone was bussing. But I feel better about finding scum defending/ignoring.

Addendum to the above:

In post 363, BROseidon wrote:

Vote: Zakk

Shamelessly sheeping Thor.

I'd be inclined to see BROseidon as the bussing scum in the event Zakk is Town. I'm considering seeing the Zakk lynch through if for no other reason than to see what it tells us about XScorp and BROseidon. But something feels off about this lynch - possibly the lack of lynch resistance.

In post 393, smargaret wrote:it's the going out and looking for a meta example where he misread zek that really gets me. That's where it crosses the line between responding to a question and overreacting.

It's you, isn't it? You're Zek's scum buddy, aren't you?

VOTE: smargaret

But something feels off about this lynch - possibly the lack of lynch resistance.

That's because zakk isn't even here. I almost want to just wait for a replacement. Meanwhile I need to find out the other scum (other scums if I am wrong about zakk) and if my 1 off 1 on theory is correct then that means the other scum bussed zekrom.
So right now the 1 off id guess to be zakk tso or cxin in that order, but I haven't given much thought to the one on.
Meanwhile I am not sure what smudger is up to; after I saw the flip yesterday I could have sworn I was basically conf-town but apparently there is no upper bound to how hard you can scum bus a PR?? Because I pushed the shit out of lynching zek and even convinced porkins and Thor to stay on/join the wagon respectively. I honestly expected to die last night but welp I'm here today so I'm gonna do what I did yesterday b/c it seemed to work. I won't be lynching Thor this game but I definitely will reread the rest of the zek wagon at some point in case it's not the obvious culprits (yiley, bro)
I gotta stop posting on my phone lol its so annoying.

In post 405, XScorpion wrote:Meanwhile I am not sure what smudger is up to; after I saw the flip yesterday I could have sworn I was basically conf-town but apparently there is no upper bound to how hard you can scum bus a PR?? Because I pushed the shit out of lynching zek and even convinced porkins and Thor to stay on/join the wagon respectively. I honestly expected to die last night but welp I'm here today so I'm gonna do what I did yesterday b/c it seemed to work.

It's impossible to bus hard enough on Day 1 to be obv Town on Day 2. Impossible, I say.

In all seriousness, if Zek was a regular goon? I'd be considering that argument a lot more. The fact he was an incredibly useful PR to scum is why I'm certain scum is off the wagon while merely there is a scum ON the wagon.

Oh. But you or Thor should be dead tomorrow barring a Town PR slip. That is all. For now.

In post 406, Yates wrote:In all seriousness, if Zek was a regular goon? I'd be considering that argument a lot more.

I totally agree. But he wasn't, was he?

In post 406, Yates wrote:The fact he was an incredibly useful PR to scum is why I'm certain scum is off the wagon while merely inclined to believe there is potentially a scum ON the wagon.

Only merely inclined? I'm almost certain there was 1 scum on the wagon. They may not have been on him early but it became pretty obvious as the day went on that I was going to get him lynched. Yiley certainly gets no town-cred for hammering and there are others on the wagon who did not have the same conviction as thor and I.

I think Zzak is an easy lynch tbh, and would rather wait for him to be replaced out. My concern now is Yates. In particular the latest posts and 400, that just does not sit right with me at all. Why would town post that?

Thor, what? You accuse me of trying to get you lynched by my statement. So I asked you where do I say I want to lynch you. I merely put forward a consideration that should be taken into account. One that could be true. You dismiss it both out of hand and with a deal of ridicule. If it had been me the observation was aimed at then I would have acknowledged it as a possibility. As currently to everyone in the game, other than those who are scum, it remains a possible scenario. In my mind to deny it, ignore it or dismiss it, is counter productive and suspicious.

That said, it remains an observation. I believe I implied in my initial post that began all this, if it had been anyone else than two players who I believe are town I would make a bigger deal of it. Now I know what reaction that statement can prompt, but hear me out. Yes we have had reactive posting but that is based on the unexpected response.

Do you think Yates is scum then? Why don't you vote him?

I want to see what response my statement gets. I will vote when I am ready to vote if that's alright.

In post 400, Yates wrote:

In post 366, Bulbazak wrote:if their priority was to protect a PR, I could see them trying to derail the lynch.

Agreed. Which is why I'm voting off the wagon today. If I'm scum in this situation I'm doing one of two things:

1. Hard defending so when he flips scum people are like "Yates was defending him too hard to be his scum buddy"
or
2. Finding *ANY* excuse to be on another wagon [in the hopes we can force a no lynch] while commenting as little as possible on my buddy going down

In post 404, Yates wrote:

In post 393, smargaret wrote:it's the going out and looking for a meta example where he misread zek that really gets me. That's where it crosses the line between responding to a question and overreacting.

It's you, isn't it? You're Zek's scum buddy, aren't you?

VOTE: smargaret

It feels like I'm shooting myself in the foot here, but I feel the need to point out that I was probably the one most defending Zekrom.

Though, I do agree with your vote.

In post 408, XScorpion wrote:Only merely inclined? I'm almost certain there was 1 scum on the wagon. They may not have been on him early but it became pretty obvious as the day went on that I was going to get him lynched.

Sounds good in theory but I'm not sure I agree. I could have been easily dissuaded from being on the Zek wagon with ANY more convincing argument. Pretty sure I'm not alone on that and you agree as evidenced by your belief many of us didn't have the same "conviction" as you. How much "conviction" are you expecting out of a day 1 lynch?

This is why I suggested my strategy would have been to subtly push another wagon or hope for a no lynch or rushed deadline lynch. There wasn't any boat rocking - at all - and I'm not sure why. That could feed into your theory that Zek was getting bussed towards the end. However, that would likely suggest scum day chat unless you think it was their master plan to get their RB lynched for massive Town cred. In which case, you are actually making Smudger's argument for him that you would fit the bill nicely as Zek's bussing buddy. After all, here you are claiming to be super obv Town after single handedly driving the lynch that netted us a scum PR. How could you possibly be more obviously Town, right? And yet scum didn't consider you more of a threat than Porkens?

Let's assume for a moment that you ARE Town and that I happen to know this for reasons. Why Porkens?

In post 170, Porkens wrote:Need to die
Zekrom25
zakk
cxinlee

In post 314, Porkens wrote:cx needs to die, a lot, but let's get this over with Vote: Zekrom

In post 302, XScorpion wrote:I heavily dislike you [Porkens] leaving the Zekrom wagon after he's been asked for a claim, claimed Beast, and not given full details.

Makes me think potential setup. Makes me reconsider Smudger's alignment. But I don't know enough yet to pursue Smudger with any actual vigor.

In post 409, Smudger wrote:In particular the latest posts and 400, that just does not sit right with me at all. Why would town post that?

To figure out the game? To make my thought process transparent? I don't know. Why does anyone post anything game related in a game?

Which brings me back to this:

In post 409, Smudger wrote:I merely put forward a consideration that should be taken into account. One that could be true. You dismiss it both out of hand and with a deal of ridicule. If it had been me the observation was aimed at then I would have acknowledged it as a possibility. As currently to everyone in the game, other than those who are scum, it remains a possible scenario. In my mind to deny it, ignore it or dismiss it, is counter productive and suspicious.

I'm merely putting forward a consideration that should be taken into account when I say that scum Smudger *could have* targeted Porkens last night expressly to paint a target on XScorp's back by suggesting that XScorp or Thor *should be* dead and making us consider why they aren't. I feel as though I tied this together nicely in my previous post. It remains a possible scenario so I suggest you do not deny it, ignore it, or dismiss it.

In post 366, Bulbazak wrote:

In post 360, Thor665 wrote:

In post 353, Bulbazak wrote:Again, the question is: Why would I kill someone who I felt i could get lynched, instead of just killing the person who would never get lynched?

By that logic, why would scum ever kill Porkens prior to me regardless?

No clue. That's why I'm asking Scorp, since he was insinuating that the Porkens kill pointed at me being scum, although he backpedaled once I asked him about it.

In post 361, cxinlee wrote:I would like to say I do not appreciate your vote on me bulba, What's your case on me again?

Besides you fencesitting, you called Zekrom a town read, yet when I asked you about that, you said "I never called him town.". It looks like you were afraid of being associated with him. I also don't like how you're essentially trying to shame me for voting for you.

In post 361, cxinlee wrote: Smagaret's push on me was townish, even though I disagree about it

Why is her push townish, but mine not, even though they're the same push?

In post 361, cxinlee wrote: Not so sure about zakk scum he's only made 2 posts (none of which were scummy imo).

Is this the part where you defend someone while still trying not to take sides again?

In post 361, cxinlee wrote: Plus, at that stage. it looked like zkrom was going to get lynched very soon, the optimal thing to do as scum would be to bus, not defend his parter.

Depends on what scum's motivation was. If they realized Zekrom was a sinking ship, absolutely they would bus. However, if their priority was to protect a PR, I could see them trying to derail the lynch.

a) Would you have preferred if I townread or scumread zekrom?
b)I've talked about rhe town read already
c) Yes, I'm defending a null read.
d) They aren't the same push. I particularly like how assertive she was and continuously pressed me (I mean no, I didn't like it, but you get what I mean)

In post 415, cxinlee wrote: I particularly like how assertive she was and continuously pressed me (I mean no, I didn't like it, but you get what I mean)

I can't fucking stop laughing.

Was that in a condecending manner? If so, fuck you.

Also, agreeing that we should wait for zakk to be replaced out, especially when he's only made 2 posts that I don't think give much.

In post 397, XScorpion wrote:

Smudgerr & cxinlee:

who is scum?

Do you think I have scumreads?

In post 418, cxinlee wrote:

In post 397, XScorpion wrote:

Smudgerr & cxinlee:

who is scum?

Do you think I have scumreads?

It would be nice if you could give me a reason that you shouldn't be lynched today.

In post 412, T S O wrote:It feels like I'm shooting myself in the foot here, but I feel the need to point out that I was probably the one most defending Zekrom.

Actively yes, but zakk came straight out with a chainsaw defense and that was one of his only two posts.

In post 415, cxinlee wrote: a) Would you have preferred if I townread or scumread zekrom?

What does what I prefer have to do with anything. You were inconsistent, as if you were trying to defend him and distance from him at the same time.

In post 415, cxinlee wrote: b)I've talked about rhe town read already

Remind me.

In post 415, cxinlee wrote: c) Yes, I'm defending a null read.

Why?

In post 415, cxinlee wrote: d) They aren't the same push. I particularly like how assertive she was and continuously pressed me (I mean no, I didn't like it, but you get what I mean)

Who are you talking about here, because I get the sense it's not about Zekrom?

In post 414, Yates wrote:I'm merely putting forward a consideration that should be taken into account when I say that scum Smudger *could have* targeted Porkens last night expressly to paint a target on XScorp's back by suggesting that XScorp or Thor *should be* dead and making us consider why they aren't. I feel as though I tied this together nicely in my previous post. It remains a possible scenario so I suggest you do not deny it, ignore it, or dismiss it.

I dont deny, dismiss or ignore it, it s possibility but untrue based on what I know. I would be a fool to not accept it as a possibility but at the same time I know it to be untrue. Now while your proposition is on face value somewhat plausible the fact that you have not qualified what your opinion of me is as opposed to what I have done, I find your weak attempt to goad me ridiculous.

what I will say is I continue to believe you are scum and do not accept your response

VOTE: Yates

In post 423, Smudger wrote:I dont deny, Dismiss or ignore it, it s possibility but untrue based on what I know. I would be a fool to not accept it as a possibility but at the same time I know it to be untrue.

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