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In post 398, mastin2 wrote:

In post 390, Fear wrote:VOTE: necro
for empty reads, hollow posts with extraneous info, engaging in pointless arguments, but most importantly, for thread cleaniness

See this? This is what I was talking about.

I suspected Fear

first

, thankyouverymuch. (Okay. Not suspected. Had in dead-null, but given my other reads, close enough.)

This post is, ironically enough, hollow with extraneous info, from a slot that has given basically empty reads and hasn't engaged in pretty much any arguments at all.
(Not necessarily scum. But certainly not a townread.)

no, i don't see the need to engage in fruitless arguments that clutter up the thread for everyone, all while having no content to consolidate a read on anyone

so, what's your point in pointing out our differences?

In post 394, Antihero wrote:i didn't actually replace out. i got lynched before then.

I just looked at your ISO- as again I am not a "tell hunter" nor a "meta hunter" but I did want to see what you did-

Antihero gave his three most recent scumgames.
He picked them off of that criteria: MOST. RECENT.
They don't match your expectation of his posting. (Or his posting in here for that matter.)
You say, "bah, you have more games than that".

And you wonder why we scumread you, SKOT.

HOLY SHIT
PEREGRINE ASKED ME TO LINK THOSE GAMES

and the 3 ones I linked are the recent ones. actually, if you want you can look at my wiki scum games.

spoiler: they're all the same.

In post 402, mastin2 wrote:Antihero gave his three most recent scumgames.
He picked them off of that criteria: MOST. RECENT.
They don't match your expectation of his posting. (Or his posting in here for that matter.)
You say, "bah, you have more games than that".

And you wonder why we scumread you, SKOT.

tell me, what's the point in meta diving this fucking early?
second, why even bother if info in the said games are not even applicable here

In post 400, Fear wrote:no, i don't see the need to engage in fruitless arguments that clutter up the thread for everyone, all while having no content to consolidate a read on anyone

so, what's your point in pointing out our differences?

it's a large game. people know it moves fast and there's a lot of reading, considering there's 22 player slots.

you can drop the horseshit "oh i'm being considerate by not posting" charade.

In post 404, Fear wrote:tell me, what's the point in meta diving this fucking early?

i don't know. why don't you ask peregrine and SKOT since they're the ones who wanted it?

In post 400, Fear wrote:no, i don't see the need to engage in fruitless arguments that clutter up the thread for everyone

Nor have we. Every single argument I've engaged in has had a purpose. And entering into an argument in which the result might be pointless? Is worth it if the alternative is not entering into an argument at all. The whole, "if you try, you may fail; if you don't try, you're guaranteed to fail" and all that.

all while having no content to consolidate a read on anyone

Oh, but we do.

so, what's your point in pointing out our differences?

Similarities for hypocrisy, differences on things that are worse than the thing you're saying about us.

In post 402, mastin2 wrote:Antihero gave his three most recent scumgames.
He picked them off of that criteria: MOST. RECENT.
They don't match your expectation of his posting. (Or his posting in here for that matter.)
You say, "bah, you have more games than that".

And you wonder why we scumread you, SKOT.

Know, I don't wonder. I pretty much expect it. Very common reaction because what you are basing scum reads on are complete absolute nonsense. I had no expectation of his posting. I don't play that way. I did not ask for "most recent." I looked simply at his general performance and saw plenty of scum wins. Posting style is something that is variable it is what is underneath and weather or not there appears to be evasion or seeking to eliminate vs searching and surviving. He set the criteria, I simply said it is worthless if one was going to tell and meta dive imo. As such, I am not a tell or meta dive player so my opinion is meaningless there.

p-edit- I see peri asked for the most recent. I skimmed that. Sorry, I skim a lot. See the Peacebringer title, imo.

In post 405, Antihero wrote:

In post 400, Fear wrote:no, i don't see the need to engage in fruitless arguments that clutter up the thread for everyone, all while having no content to consolidate a read on anyone

so, what's your point in pointing out our differences?

it's a large game. people know it moves fast and there's a lot of reading, considering there's 22 player slots.

you can drop the horseshit "oh i'm being considerate by not posting" charade.

oohhh since it's a large game people are expected to force reads out of their asses

is that what you're trying to convey here

certainly seems like it

if you don't want to use meta, THEN DON'T USE META.

if you want to act like i'm some diabolical scum genius, though, you're talking out your ass

In post 406, Antihero wrote:i don't know. why don't you ask peregrine and SKOT since they're the ones who wanted it?

I didn't want it, I simply was saying I did not think I would get useful reactions from you and would rather pick at mastin. I referenced you winning a lot as scum. You claimed "scum wins a lot" as a retort and said you think you are obvi-scum when you are scum, counteracting my suggesting that you are dangerous scum. Since I do not meta dive and am not a tell driven player that is not something I ask for. I am looking to distinguish between differences in evasion and survival vs elimination and searching...

In post 409, Fear wrote:oohhh since it's a large game people are expected to force reads out of their asses

is that what you're trying to convey here

certainly seems like it

if the very fact that mastin is making reads lists is yall's issue with our slot, i'm fucking done

seriously

In post 410, Antihero wrote:if you don't want to use meta, THEN DON'T USE META.

if you want to act like i'm some diabolical scum genius, though, you're talking out your ass

I am not using meta other than meta came up as the source of your reaction, in particular to being called good at being scum. Now you have escalated that to diabolical scum genius. No, I did not put you in the category of people like say BabyJesus from way back in the day. That man was a diabolical scum genius. He don't play much these days.

In post 412, Antihero wrote:

In post 409, Fear wrote:oohhh since it's a large game people are expected to force reads out of their asses

is that what you're trying to convey here

certainly seems like it

if the very fact that mastin is making reads lists is yall's issue with our slot, i'm fucking done

seriously

this is a strawman argument. Followed by time to go bye bye. Set up the strawman and retreat.
No, I poked at the quick reads without basis. I think I made a jab at that before reacting to TipDeath's stuff.

In post 407, mastin2 wrote:

In post 400, Fear wrote:no, i don't see the need to engage in fruitless arguments that clutter up the thread for everyone

Nor have we. Every single argument I've engaged in has had a purpose. And entering into an argument in which the result might be pointless? Is worth it if the alternative is not entering into an argument at all. The whole, "if you try, you may fail; if you don't try, you're guaranteed to fail" and all that.

all while having no content to consolidate a read on anyone

Oh, but we do.

so, what's your point in pointing out our differences?

Similarities for hypocrisy, differences on things that are worse than the thing you're saying about us.

there is a difference between engaging in arguments that might prove not worthwhile and engaging in arguments knowing jackshit will come from it

how am I being hypocrite again? oh, I'm not allowed to call out on bullshit just because I have provided no content prior? fuck is that shit

In post 412, Antihero wrote:if the very fact that mastin is making reads lists is yall's issue with our slot, i'm fucking done

Don't cave in to possible-scum's reasoning, Anti.

In post 411, Sharpest-knife-on-tree wrote:I simply was saying I did not think I would get useful reactions from you and would rather pick at mastin. I referenced you winning a lot as scum. You claimed "scum wins a lot" as a retort and said you think you are obvi-scum when you are scum, counteracting my suggesting that you are dangerous scum. Since I do not meta dive and am not a tell driven player that is not something I ask for. I am looking to distinguish between differences in evasion and survival vs elimination and searching...

You claim Antihero wins as scum a lot.
Antihero says that he doesn't really, and thinks himself obvscum.
Antihero provides his most recent scumgames, where this is demonstrated.
They do not match your version but match his.
You post "you have more games than that" as an accusation against him that he's selectively showing games.

And you are also saying our reaction to seeing this train of thought is expected. (Of scum, presumably.)

there's a lot of ignoring-what-people-are-saying going on here

In post 415, Fear wrote:there is a difference between engaging in arguments that might prove not worthwhile and engaging in arguments knowing jackshit will come from it

oh please, don't give specifics. just be as vague and unhelpful as possible.

In post 414, Sharpest-knife-on-tree wrote:this is a strawman argument. Followed by time to go bye bye. Set up the strawman and retreat.
No, I poked at the quick reads without basis. I think I made a jab at that before reacting to TipDeath's stuff.

this is confirmation bias.
this is "i won't listen to a goddamn thing you have to say because i've made up my mind"

really sure mastin/anti is scum now

general feeling of the page is "i'm making reads on people with not even a single post to back them up, but i'm going to attack other people for having scumreads on me and get all butthurt because you're not supposed to scumread me so soon". more like scum "how dare you scumread me already" not town "but i'm town so that doesn't apply" sorts of rebuttals i think

[marquis]

In post 413, Sharpest-knife-on-tree wrote:I am not using meta other than meta came up as the source of your reaction, in particular to being called good at being scum. Now you have escalated that to diabolical scum genius. No, I did not put you in the category of people like say BabyJesus from way back in the day. That man was a diabolical scum genius. He don't play much these days.

And yet you also ignore that I've essentially done the same thing, in that I a diabolical scum mastermind when scum. Nobody knows how to pull the strings that control the system better than I do. I can predict things that should be impossible to predict, and set things up for a theoretical occurrence days before it could come to pass. I know how the info flows, controlling things so that town players think what I them to think. (Which is evident in that sometimes? I can even make them want to think I'm scum, if the tradeoff is VERY strongly thinking my scumbuddies are town and town players are scum.
/still ridiculously proud of L4D.)

In post 415, Fear wrote:there is a difference between engaging in arguments that might prove not worthwhile and engaging in arguments knowing jackshit will come from it

Yes, well, I'm engaging in arguments I quite explicitly am seeing productive results from, sooooooooooo....

how am I being hypocrite again?

Your reasoning on clutter in the thread was extraneous, you have given basically no reads and no reasoning behind it (you're saying these things about our slot but not really elaborating on them) as you accused us of, and as mentioned, you've lacked engagement until just now.

i don't blame people for not reading/ignoring posts though because a lot of this discussion is just mean

[marquis]

see mastin i'm not entirely reading your posts just like i said i wouldn't

i'm skimming instead and seeing a lot of things i don't like at all!!!

[marquis]

In post 418, Antihero wrote:

In post 415, Fear wrote:there is a difference between engaging in arguments that might prove not worthwhile and engaging in arguments knowing jackshit will come from it

oh please, don't give specifics. just be as vague and unhelpful as possible.

do I really have to quote every single quote strips

I'm accusing your slot of empty reads, hollow posts, fruitless engagements

got anything you wanna veto in that list I'm game