Mini 1644: DOUBLE TROUBLE (Day 5) - IS THE GAME OVER YET?!?

[Aneninen]

What if that Gutenberg vs HeadsAndTails is a town-vs-town fight? Unless Gutenberg is scum with Willow and there's a Chainsaw going on.

Kagaminette has done nothing useful.

It's somewhat strange that Crab didn't die last Night.

Willow is not Pine therefore, my previous read on him is pigeon poop.

[Cursive]

errrr Unlucky done nada too

Just that Kagamine is a more popular lurker to attack?

SO Wat Is ur read of willow then
never outright explained
(I don't follow pine logic either)

Want ur read on INAUFTA too

who been calling you scummy for a while

is that town or scum attacking you?

[shos]

Fault has been prodded. Again.

[Fault]

where iz vc

[Fault]

H&T

Repeat your scumcase on WW for me

ELI5

[Whomping Willow]

VOTE: Kagamine

Let's make this happen

[Gutenberg]

show me what content any posts willow had by then had inside them, then. This is all the more reason to call you out,btw.

1. I'll repeat before I start that effort isn't indicative of alignment. You seem to have missed me saying that the first time so I'll say it again.

Do you speak english well? I asked you for the CONTENT, not for the EFFORT.

You specifically were ragging on one-liners in a context that implied you felt he wasn't putting effort in. It's not indicative.

2. Remind me why you're going after Willow instead of Kagamine?

Because Kagamine seems like a low-effort player, rather than a scum lurker(when scum lurk they don't get prodded, in my experience). On the other hand, Willow has been a scumread of mine yesterday, and has been a counterwagon to a townie, who I have yet to find the case on. winning as a counterwagon to town with no case on said town is quite hard without support, so yeah, I think he is actual scum.

I'm really having a hard time replying to this due to the fact that my head keeps trying to meet my desk and my face would love to make the acquaintance of my palm.

I think perhaps that fact will speak for itself.

The following is hurting my head too much to reformat more pleasantly, so my responses will be in purple (otherwise known as pink, if you're on MafBlack).

3.

Spoiler: Analysis of Willow's posts - OPEN MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

VOTE: crabalocker

Serious vote

A serious vote is already content, and when I look back to figure out why it happens, it's obvious: Crabalocker sheeped a wagon/reasoning that a number of people were already on, and he did so unobtrusively.

are we reading the same game?
that post was the first post by willow after the game started. Crabalocker has posted precisely once by then, in which he voted fault, and not sheeped anything, no reasoning, just a plain gamestart, and you call this content? are you fucking serious with me?

Right. For some reason I thought Crabalocker's vote was much later. The "unobtrusive" point still stands, as does the point that Fault made a joke and Crabalocker seemed to take it unduly seriously. I don't intend to speak directly for Willow's motivations in making this vote, however, as they are his own and not mine.

VOTE: Fault
PT?

Eh. I don't really see the case on Not Mastin, actually. However I shall OMGUS Whomping Pine Tree.

VOTE: Whomping Willow

This is the real scum guys

After receiving flak for his sheep vote Crabalocker retreats into RVS. Willow points this out as being scummy.

There was no sheep vote, and there was no flak for it. if there was, willow does NOT point this out. YOU point this out. willow just says 'ha scum', without reasoning, no actual contribution to the game.

Crabalocker retreating to RVS is scummy no matter how you slice it. Willow demonstrates this votal dichotomy quite well via the medium of quotes. It contributes his actual read on Crabalocker.

Crabalocker is a better option than Kagamine

oh yeah this helps me figure out who scum is I bet it helps you too

You're an idiot. I didn't want to go there, but there it is.

^ Good posting

this is not willow's content, sir. this is INAUFTA's. If willow just quoted your huge post in which I'm posting and said "yeah" would that be content too?

Willow didn't say he agreed, he said the posting was good. A relevant difference.

^ Bad vote

All of the above are also content, expressing some ranking of reads, a light townread, and a disagreement with someone else's reads.

so no actual content is needed, just listing reads once in a while, that's good town posting for you, yes? just agreeing, voting, disagreeing. that's the scumhunting you're looking for. correct me if I'm wrong, of course.

He posts reads, he indicates by dint of quoting the things with which he has a problem. I'd much rather he posted mid-length posts with lots of spelled-out reasoning, but that's just playstyle, and playstyle isn't indicative either.

I'm not going to go any further because I'm bored, but there you go. In Willow's first 8 game posts, 5 provide some level of content.

Laughable.
Can you explain to me, for example, how comes YOU need to defend him, and not willow himself? or is it just too much typing?

You asked me to demonstrate that Willow had provided content. This is literally a question that YOU ASKED. I'm not particularly interested in defending Willow. Willow is capable of living or dying by his own sword. I'm just answering the question that was asked of me. BY YOU.

why is tgis votable? Have you read my posts at all? I have supported vertigo's cause since the start, and STILL nobody gave me a single reaaon fpr why he was lynched, and without claim, and assuming he didnt lie then cop too...how is this post a reason to vote me? Explain in length llease.

Right, obviously YOU haven't been reading MY posts at all because the answer to the first question is in 384,

"clumsy attempt to get on moral high grounds" - ???...what?
like, either it's my english or I have no idea what you're talking about. have you read D1? where I pushed a WW lynch, and a counterwagon succeeded over it, lynching town cop, without anyone being able to tell me why?

I like how well this reacts to my accusation of hypocrisy (spoiler: it doesn't). I have read D1. You sat there and tunneled Willow, showing NO INTEREST WHATSOEVER in ANYONE ELSE (not even Vertigo) (even though now you want to show up as having had all the care in the world for Vertigo) (hmmm).

I gave some explanations for my badfeels about Vertigo in 89 (76 looks like Scum-Scum)

I don't even get this one. there is no explanation there, only a 'they are scum'. that is not reasoning enough. voting the mod is pretty standard in bastard games, why does that interaction look scummy?

Did you expect the Mona Lisa from so early in a game? It was game page 3, given that p1 was only taken up by confirmations.

, 129 (trying too hard to look Town)

Well I seriously had to dig this one. you only mentioned it by a fraction: "Vertigo might be trying too hard". you said might be, not is; and you said 6 words in a 2-pages post. do you really think this is why the wagon exploded? nah.

Did I say it was the reason for the wagon? Nah.

, 148 (no deep analysis whatsoever)

gonna lol at this one, considering the fact you're hardcore defending WW. have you seen 149? lol.

Face meeting desk again.

, and 202 (weak reason to dislike a vote).

Just going to note that in this same post even YOU called WW useless. how comes you changed your mind so drastically, saying that he had so much content that you stop getting through his ISO after 8 posts?

I stopped looking through his ISO because I was bored. That particular post of his was indeed useless.

and re: weak reason - that is really not a weak reason.

Wow, so evidence, much analysis, so wow.

I'm guessing you're not experienced on MS, eh?

brb,

absolutely dying

. Every time I see this bullshit it's upstart little half-years who think they're hot shit just because they've outlasted all the other newbies who were in their first game. Most people with actual experience to wield have the decency not to make a fuss about it.

haven't seen enough lolhammers, probably.

I'm assuming now that you've seen proportionally too many.

when you said you don't count votes when you vote too - you're basically laying grounds for a lolhammer in the future.

I don't count votes when I vote. Not sorry that it bothers you.

I'm getting a scumvibe from you even more than WW by now; is it an incredibly effortful whiteknight?

It being a whiteknight would imply that Willow is Town. You'd give up your top scumread because you don't like my playstyle? lol. It being a whiteknight would also imply that I'm defending Willow beyond simply

answering your fucking questions

, but I think I've covered that already.

why is EVERY SINGLE H&T POST

SO GODDAMN CRINGEY

whats cringy in here? Do you think the Vertigo wagon had no scum on it? Or naybe you think it is preciaely 1? Why does tgis make you react this way? Feel sooooo fake.

I'm going to go through in a separate post and break down why your posts are cringey, but to answer the other questions, Neither know nor care, neither know nor care, why does what make me react what way?, aaaaaand busy buzzy bumblebees.

"hey guys, I don't care who scums are!"

are you dumb or a third party?

You're kidding, right?
I don't care about VCA. It's stupid and shitty. I'm not going to base anything on a guess. How many Scum do I guess were on the wagon? Doesn't matter. I don't scumhunt on assumption.

It's interesting that by the end of the previous quote I was your top scumread but by the end of this one I'm "dumb or 3p." Quite a contradiction.

[Gutenberg]

The only reason I've currently vote H&T is because they keep replying inside quotes. I have no idea what the recent content from them because I refuse to read such rubbish.

You should try anyway, it's pretty illuminating.

[Gutenberg]

And by 'illuminating' I actually just mean 'there are some hidden gems of hilarity.'

[HeadsAndTails]

I'm really sorry, but I'm going to have to replace out guys, sorry Shos.

[HeadsAndTails]

real life taking over me :/

[Aneninen]

errrr Unlucky done nada too
Just that Kagamine is a more popular lurker to attack?¹

SO Wat Is ur read of willow then
never outright explained
(I don't follow pine logic either)²

Want ur read on INAUFTA too
who been calling you scummy for a while
is that town or scum attacking you?³

(1) Indeed. I tend to forget that Unlucky's in the game and this is not a good sign.

(2) It's not only about Willow, but it might explain a couple of things. As I said, either Willow is scum and Gutenberg is Chainsawing HeadsAndTails. Or the other possibility is this: none of the scums have been wagoned so far – that would explain the genearl inactivity of the players.
As for the "Pine logic": I must have misread something during my catching-up. That's all.

(3) He's more likely a town misreading me. As far as I've experienced, scums usually either make (up) very strong cases or merely join other cases.

But, there's something strange which makes me think about INAUFTA and Willow and Gutenberg.
Both of them were voting for me independently. And both of them moved to Kagamine. And Gutenberg wrote later that VCA is not useful. (Strange. I've found it very useful in many games so far.)
I'd say they might be a scumteam – but right now we don't even know how many scum factions are there, nor the size of them.

Back to Willow. I put him in the lean scum cathegory. Lynching him wouldn't be a bad idea, however, I don't know whether we'd hit a scum or it'd be simply a utility lynch. (Although, he'd be a good utility lynch.)

What are your reads?

[shos]

edit:

Das Boot

replaces

HeadsAndTails

effective immediately.

Thanks!

[Das Boot]

Hi all.
I'll be reading up and posting this weekend.

[Aneninen]

Eb––DCDEbG Bb––AGABbD' F'––––––– ––––––––
F––EDEFA C'––BABC'E' G'––––––– ––––––––

Grüß Gott, Das Boot! ^_^

[Cursive]

What are your reads?

Willow feels too loose to be scum
When attacked throughout game hits townnotes imo

Strong impression Gutenburg been tryna figure ppl out
entire game

I keep flipn back n forth wit my view on u and INAUFTA

Just realized fault is still here
Now I'm worried he slipped under radar

Has to be at least one scum in kagamine and unlucky
I just can't see a scumteam that fits outside of them

HT Complicated For Me
wanna call him town today
wit being wrong on vertigo
Then again if vertigoscum flipping deathmillerness, he knew that would happen, ergo harddefend and blame counterwagon, tunnel on ww bothers me
THEN Again he is claiming to confirm Crab as a doctor today, Y would scum lessen suspicion there
Big Shrugz

Crab still big unknown, comfortable with unknown for one more day

[Das Boot]

Soooo it's pretty late for me guys, I'll probably start reading tomorrow. So anythink I should focus on? something? someone?

[Crabalocker]

I don't have any anythinks for you to focus on, but I do have a question: why'd you name yourself, "The Boat?" Just curious.

[Kagamine]

Well, at least the mod's active.

[Kagamine]

errrr Unlucky done nada too
Just that Kagamine is a more popular lurker to attack?¹

SO Wat Is ur read of willow then
never outright explained
(I don't follow pine logic either)²

Want ur read on INAUFTA too
who been calling you scummy for a while
is that town or scum attacking you?³

(1) Indeed. I tend to forget that Unlucky's in the game and this is not a good sign.

(2) It's not only about Willow, but it might explain a couple of things. As I said, either Willow is scum and Gutenberg is Chainsawing HeadsAndTails. Or the other possibility is this: none of the scums have been wagoned so far – that would explain the genearl inactivity of the players.
As for the "Pine logic": I must have misread something during my catching-up. That's all.

(3) He's more likely a town misreading me. As far as I've experienced, scums usually either make (up) very strong cases or merely join other cases.

But, there's something strange which makes me think about INAUFTA and Willow and Gutenberg.
Both of them were voting for me independently. And both of them moved to Kagamine. And Gutenberg wrote later that VCA is not useful. (Strange. I've found it very useful in many games so far.)
I'd say they might be a scumteam – but right now we don't even know how many scum factions are there, nor the size of them.

Back to Willow. I put him in the lean scum cathegory. Lynching him wouldn't be a bad idea, however, I don't know whether we'd hit a scum or it'd be simply a utility lynch. (Although, he'd be a good utility lynch.)

What are your reads?

Regarding the third paragraph, they're likely scum together.

[Kagamine]

Why else would they vote me? I'm an easy target and they think that they can get away with a counter wagon to save their buddy. They don't seem to realise how bad they look and how it ruins their public image.

[INAUFTA]

I'm fairly sure Willow is the easy vote.

[Aneninen]

What are your reads?

Willow feels too loose to be scum
When attacked throughout game hits townnotes imo¹

Strong impression Gutenburg been tryna figure ppl out
entire game²

I keep flipn back n forth wit my view on u and INAUFTA

Just realized fault is still here
Now I'm worried he slipped under radar³

Has to be at least one scum in kagamine and unlucky
I just can't see a scumteam that fits outside of them⁴

HT Complicated For Me
wanna call him town today
wit being wrong on vertigo
Then again if vertigoscum flipping deathmillerness, he knew that would happen, ergo harddefend and blame counterwagon, tunnel on ww bothers me⁵
THEN Again he is claiming to confirm Crab as a doctor today, Y would scum lessen suspicion there
Big Shrugz

Crab still big unknown, comfortable with unknown for one more day⁶

(1) Can you point out those townnotes for me?
(2) To tell the truth, my intuition says the same. Even if I'm still speculation on the thing I posted before.
(3) Ugh yes, you're right.
(4) At least one, that's possible. Although I don't think they're scum together if it's a Multi. Nor with Fault. I doubt any of the scumteams consisted of more than one lurker/useless player.
(5) "If vertigoscum flipping deathmillerness" = ???
(6) He might be still alive because of WIFOM-purposes.

By the way, regardless of your read on me I consider you town for now.

[Aneninen]

I don't have any anythinks for you to focus on, but I do have a question: why'd you name yourself, "The Boat?" Just curious.

Lol. Get a piano. Play the notes I posted. ^_^

Well, at least the mod's active.

Was?

(

Self-edit has happened

)
(3) He's more likely a town misreading me. As far as I've experienced, scums usually either make (up) very strong cases or merely join other cases.

But, there's something strange which makes me think about INAUFTA and Willow and Gutenberg.
Both of them were voting for me independently. And both of them moved to Kagamine. And Gutenberg wrote later that VCA is not useful. (Strange. I've found it very useful in many games so far.)
I'd say they might be a scumteam – but right now we don't even know how many scum factions are there, nor the size of them.

Regarding the third paragraph, they're likely scum together.

Was-was?
Are you surer in my reads than I myself?

Why else would they vote me? I'm an easy target and they think that they can get away with a counter wagon to save their buddy. They don't seem to realise how bad they look and how it ruins their public image.

Was-was-WAS?
Since when have you been the easiest wagon?
Was für ein Haufen von pigeon poop is that with "ruining their public image"?!

I'm fairly sure Willow is the easy vote.

Ehem.
DAS.

VOTE: Kagaminette

[Kagamine]

I'm fairly sure Willow is the easy vote.

You're partners with him, of course you'd say that.

Aneninen, don't go full retard. If you're town, voting me is against your win condition.