A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[SirCakez]

I feel like Seniors vs TPP is TvT actually.
I still want to murder Mirhawk btw.

[SirCakez]

Someone told me earlier they saw why I thought tictac was scum but that he was town. I think that's why I unvoted him in the first place?

[SirCakez]

Someone told me earlier they saw why I thought tictac was scum but that he was town. I think that's why I unvoted him in the first place?

Wait, what? You unvoted him because someone else said he was town?

No, because it felt like a cop clear crumb but now that Marquis and Ogre have both claimed Cop variations I doubt we have another (I believe both).

[SirCakez]

Yeah Dwlee found it, thought it was Cerb for some reason.
I think it was just me interpreting a townread from them wrong?

[SirCakez]

Keep reading

[SirCakez]

Flubber you're gonna have to contribute more then that.
I dislike how FS is still the leading wagon with no real counter offered. It's like scum wants the game in this kind of melancholy game state with one leading wagon and nothing really happening. If they were scum I think there would have been a counterwagon by now.

[SirCakez]

I don't think it was an actual soft anymore with the claim from Marquis. Just a weird townread.

[SirCakez]

Reads, a vote, some analysis of anything?

Lack of a counterwagon points to the main wagon being on town.

[SirCakez]

I don't want to fish into it :/

[SirCakez]

Dwlee why are you fishing into this "crumb" so much?

[SirCakez]

Lack of a counterwagon points to the main wagon being on town.

I was deciding whether or not I wanted to bite onto this

Counterwagons come up so scum can get the lynch off their alignment

So if counterwagons come up, main wagon is more likely scum
There are no counterwagons though

[SirCakez]

Vote Count #3.4:

Friendless Seniors:

The Pied Piper, pistachi0n, Marquis, tictac, podoboq, True Ogre (6)

tictac:

Friendless Seniors, Malakittens (2)

The Pied Piper:

dramonic, Dwlee99 (2)

Axelrod:

SirCakez (1)

Mirhawk:

itlepip (1)

Not Voting:

Axelrod, Mirhawk, Cerberus v666, davesaz

With 16 players alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

V/LA:

None.

Deadline:

(expired on 2016-05-08 10:15:00)

I don't consider two votes to be a serious counterwagon Pistach

[SirCakez]

If it was actually a crumb then gg
But you shouldn't be trying to out this in the first place Dwlee

[SirCakez]

If it was actually a crumb then gg
But you shouldn't be trying to out this in the first place Dwlee

IT WAS A CRUMB/SOFT HE HAS ADMITTED IT MULTIPLE TIMES

Where did they admit it wtf

[SirCakez]

Why have we not lynched FS yet?

<.<

[SirCakez]

O
I can't read!

[SirCakez]

Why are people pointing out crumbs deliberately now?

[SirCakez]

Oh and if we're talking about gross power role softing I want to point out Sakura's, as it both happened and it was gross.

Was referring to this.
Also I'm doing well. Wish this Axel vote would gain some buddies.

[SirCakez]

I've had an Axel scumread since Day 1, its been a pocket read that I haven't pushed much.
I don't have a problem with any of the crumbs/softs myself, not sure why you and others do.
And not voting FS, sorry.

[SirCakez]

Because pointing out crumbs is anti town? I don't think any were malicious so pointing them out is questionable.

[SirCakez]

There's only been like 5.
Ogre, Marquis, TPP, FS, Sakura apparently

[SirCakez]

Oh yeah Pistach is IC as well. But that's it I think.

[SirCakez]

That one's a hard claim, you were discussing softs.
It's gotten to the point I'm considering using a spreadsheet.

@Ogre, Nowhere near a solution yet but there is at least one inconsistency in the info I know about.
I had overlooked the possibility of a ninja and that could make both players town where I was thinking one had to be scum.
Though I wonder what made it enter your thoughts.

I was talking about all PR claims, since Ogre said something about too many claims to be true.

[SirCakez]

Podo coming in, asking why FS hasn't been lynched, and ditching out actually feels really terrible now. He's basically coasting now and his contributions today are lackluster. I could wagon there.

[SirCakez]

Two investigatives = a ton?

[SirCakez]

There's been one soft from TPP. I can't remember any others.

[SirCakez]

Okey dokey interested in seeing what you come up with

[SirCakez]

Podo said he was going to produce content so I'm giving him some leeway for a bit. If it doesn't come up then I'll vote there.

[SirCakez]

Ehhh good point
VOTE: podo

[SirCakez]

town: ogre, cakez, pogo, pistachion, itlepip, Friendless Seniors, , marquis Davesaz The wrong lynch
{cakez, dramonic, dwlee, Mirhawk}
Null: axel
{cerb, itlepip}
scum: pied piper, tictac

reformed just now

pedit: yea mafia flavor cop possible

What happened here
Why is Podo townread all of a sudden and I'm in two places again

[SirCakez]

This TPP stuff is shit, they could claim but they obviously are some sort of Investigative so no point in outing it all.

[SirCakez]

Marquis hadn't dropped crumbs earlier though, and Ogre has reason to think Pist was scum

[SirCakez]

you're both town stop

[SirCakez]

Since a while ago?

[SirCakez]

[SirCakez]

I don't remember that Podo, can you quote it?

[SirCakez]

Twilight Day 2 (before Skybird flipped scum, with you making the assumption they'd flip town):

don't worry sky I'll lynch tpp for you.

Your first post Day 3 after a Skybird scumflip:

VOTE: TPP
Seniors let's do this.

Seems like you were committed to pushing Piper today regardless of how Skybird flipped.

Can you explain that please?

If sky flipped town I was lynching tpp for them. They flipped scum so I am lynching their partner.
Everything combined with their bs soft claims and everything and refusal to claim = scum.

So you're saying
If Sky flipped town you were going to lynch TPP
If Sky flipped scum you were going to lynch TPP

???

[SirCakez]

Lol. Can we go back.to talking about how tpp claimed that claiming would out prs but later said he had no info on prs?

WTF is this
Where did they say claiming would out PRs? I'm pretty sure you're the one who said that.

[SirCakez]

I might just have missed it because apparently other people saw it too, so quote it for me please

[SirCakez]

I DID
I just can't see where they claimed they would out PRs, then said they had no info on PRs

[SirCakez]

Tictac is out of the game though TPP

[SirCakez]

TPP is basically the only one withholding info that I can see.

[SirCakez]

I'm not the vig

[SirCakez]

Yesyesyesyesyes
VOTE: Mirhawk

[SirCakez]

Why is it so hard to form a Mirhawk wagon all of a sudden? Marquis has a pretty solid case.

[SirCakez]

I am going to throttle multiple people when both FS and TPP flip town

[SirCakez]

This thread is getting painful to read
All of the shit flinging between TPP, FS and Dwlee makes me want to rip my hair out
Meanwhile we have obvscum like Axel floating by
At least scum Mirhawk is the leading wagon

[SirCakez]

Dwlee I thought you were town but all of your pushes and defenses are the exact opposite of where my reads are and it makes me wary

[SirCakez]

I would have more faith in you but you spent most of yesterday driving attention away from Skybird.

[SirCakez]

Yeah man we were going to shoot TPP but not anymore thanks to Dwlee focusing the town on them, thanks Dwlee!

/s

[SirCakez]

Everything is blending together ahhhhhh
I've been skimming a lot but the tl;dr looks like Dwlee still wants to murder TPP and TPP makes a lot of really long posts

Dwlee - do you often deathtunnel as town? Can you give me examples if so?

[SirCakez]

I'm aware I'm not scumhunting right now Mirhawk and it's largely because everyone wants TPP/FS dead and those are both fairly strong town reads of mine so its making it difficult.

I'd really like an Axel wagon

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Axelrod
You guys should join this! I know there's a bunch of people with scumreads on this guy and he's basically coasting.

[SirCakez]

I'm aware I'm not scumhunting right now Mirhawk and it's largely because everyone wants TPP/FS dead and those are both fairly strong town reads of mine so its making it difficult.

I'd really like an Axel wagon

You could always make a case on Mirhawk, you know, the leading wagon, which you were voting for. But instead you're complaining about how we're all voting for town (when you're on the leading wagon), and then starting a new vanity wagon with three days on the clock.

What?

I cased Mirhawk a while ago and nothing has really changed.
I'll probably go back to Mir for deadline but I'm trying to branch out.

[SirCakez]

Yesyesyesyesyes
VOTE: Mirhawk

Why is it so hard to form a Mirhawk wagon all of a sudden? Marquis has a pretty solid case.

I'm aware I'm not scumhunting right now Mirhawk and it's largely because everyone wants TPP/FS dead and those are both fairly strong town reads of mine so its making it difficult.

I'd really like an Axel wagon

VOTE: Axelrod
You guys should join this! I know there's a bunch of people with scumreads on this guy and he's basically coasting.

What changed?

See my above post

[SirCakez]

Mirhawk should claim

[SirCakez]

Flavor?

[SirCakez]

VOTE: mirhawk

This seems more viable than FS atm

If Mirhawk is scum, I'd expect Cakez to be scum too

This doesn't make sense, we've been at each other's throats the whole game

[SirCakez]

Oh now I get it, I didn't understand the last line

[SirCakez]

Axelrod - I've ignored Axel all game and don't really have much of on opinion on them. I find them townish, but otherwise I don't really have anything to say about them.

This is really bad
There's no way you just have Axel as "sorta townish, nothing else to say"

[SirCakez]

I'm super tempted to vote Cakez for lol's.

However I would rate the odds of Cakez being lynched today as close to zero.

Piper isn't that likely either, but at least they're more likely then Cakez. I'm thinking... thirty percent.

It would be lower, but I'm expecting my totally awesome reads list to sway the fringe vote.

They're going to be all "Oh snap. Look how personable and genuine Mirhawk is, they must be town".

This is also really weak
He's not actually making an effort to put together a wagon on either TPP or me

[SirCakez]

Pseudovote: Mirhawk
Not sure of current VC and don't want to derphammer

[SirCakez]

just feels opportunistic

staying on mirhawk myself

cakez move back please

also nah cakez is townier and never hedged on him before. that seems more blatant, and axel wasn't in danger of lynch when cakez moved over

I can move back later for deadline but I really want to get somewhere on Axel.

[SirCakez]

just feels opportunistic

staying on mirhawk myself

cakez move back please

also nah cakez is townier and never hedged on him before. that seems more blatant, and axel wasn't in danger of lynch when cakez moved over

I can move back later for deadline but I really want to get somewhere on Axel.

[SirCakez]

I'll be here all tomorrow, I don't need to move back RIGHT NOW <.<

[SirCakez]

Omfg
VOTE: Mirhawk
Chill out

[SirCakez]

Catching up, sorry IRL stuff came up so I can't be as active as I thought I could.

[SirCakez]

The vig mindset that you're also describing is also incredibly rare on this site or else Bad Idea mafia games wouldn't unfold in the same way every time. This is not my first assumption in a majority of cases. You're right that the vig could be limited-shot, but I don't really think that this is incredibly likely. Us being convinced that Cakez is the vig explains where we were coming from when we crumbed to explain to him specifically but isn't relevant to anything else unless you really want me to outline why I think that Cakez is the vig, which wouldn't be the most anti-town thing that I've done this game.

I've already said I'm not the Vig, not sure why you're still arguing over this.

[SirCakez]

We can't fucking lynch Axel today, I agree he's scum but there's no time to move all the votes to him. He can die tomorrow.

[SirCakez]

Cakez, why are you townreading hiplop?

Claim + gut + feels like town games I've had with them in the past + they've been constantly pushed the whole game by various unsavory types

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Mirhawk
This is fucking scum
FS was a blatnt counterwagon
Axel's interactions with Mir were terrible too

[SirCakez]

2 votes isn't a wagon
Also need to look into who was resistant to the Axel wagon, but that will be tomorrow

[SirCakez]

Marquis is out of Cop shots fyi
TPP is either playing terribly or scum, I can't see how they were so invested in FS!scum when it seemed really obvious to me FS was town and I'm not especially good at reads at all
(BTW <3 FS. Sorry I couldn't stop your mislynch qq)
Oh yeah back to thinking Flubber slot is scum BTW

[SirCakez]

How about we lynch you?
VOTE: dwlee

[SirCakez]

...Well, did you use your investigation?

I've come around to seeing Mirhawks case on cakez but now I want to look into this

HURT: Flubbernugget

[SirCakez]

The first quote is a question I also want to know the answer to.
The second quote is just a scummy post.

[SirCakez]

TPP's sudden disappearance from the game thread is very very alarming. My townread there is dissipating combined with the FS town flip.
Still want Mirhawk for now though.

[SirCakez]

Actually I guess I blame several people, pup just annoys me the most.

Anyways, good luck guys. Try not to lose.

This reaction actually reads a lot like Skybird's post-hammer to me. Same "good luck guys" that's very ambiguous.

[SirCakez]

Wait shotty replaced talah.
Who'd you check?

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Mirhawk
Lol I left my vote on Dwlee by accident

[SirCakez]

I would love to hear from the devious minds of the two Pied Pipers soon. They've been absent for a while.

[SirCakez]

>checks in
>sees lack of Pied Piper posts
>is further suspicious of said Piper
>checks out

[SirCakez]

Because they were incredibly active yesterday, but have vanished today.

[SirCakez]

Your top scumread flipping town should not completely take you out of a game?

[SirCakez]

This game is going to break me.

I'm gonna reread stuff. Figure out where I went wrong.

Yeah, well, someone thought "she looks so helpless and her body's saying hell yes" was remotely an acceptable thing to say in a fucking game thread so yeah i'm avoiding the game thread so as not to ruin everybody else's enjoyment until I calm down but I've been making ISO maps in my hydra PT and i'm about halfway done with Axel's ISO. Nacho's been pretty busy right now with Chicago meet coming up but he hopes to have time for this soon.

While I'm here, though:

Interesting wording you have there

Interesting how you aren't confirming/denying anything.

I didn't notice at first, but Axel was a ninja, hmm.

Also, did somebody not speculate about ninja's earlier in the game? I definitely have no desire to go back and look for it, but I seem to remember a conversation about that.

It was Ogre. There's a little "Search this topic" thingy up top, below where it says "A Musical Mafia! (Day 4)", to the right of the "Reply" button.

Spoiler: these 3 posts

I'm Willy Wonka, flavour cop. (Slightly amused at this role given my alt.)

No result N1 investigating pistach, and no result again N2 investigating Axel.

I thought it extremely unlikely that I'd be interfered with N1 so I assumed pistach was lying.

What would I be lying about, though, if you're a flavor cop?

I was wondering if you were a flavor cop because my flavor is Roxie Hart from Chicago who did in fact kill people, your claim is a little less believable hearing you had no result.

My cop wouldn't give me your role name, just the musical you're in.

Ultimately I decided on you in an attempt to use the role to clear (or damn) you because you'd refused to claim flavour and you were unconfirmable by normal means. I had a few other ideas (ie Tammy, TWL, Piper) but decided this wasn't a role that was going to be used like a normal investigative. Had I gotten a result on you I would have crumbed it but not said anything. However given there was no result and there were two kills I thought that maybe you were an SK with a 1-shot ninja (thinking about that later I'm not sure if that actually works against a role cop) or that scum had some kind of protective effect. I just thought it really, really unlikely that I'd be roleblocked or jailkept given I hadn't crumbed anything and hadn't been playing like a PR.

Umm. It seems clear that he assumed you were an ascetic of some sort. Very strange for an ascetic to fake claim miller though. The conclusion he drew doesn't really fit with the information? Can you explain your thought process, True Ogre, in a way that makes more sense to me at least?

Not in a way that's going to wrap it up in a nice neat package for you, Cerb.

Also, since you asked so nicely, this is roughly where I am:

Mod-Confirmed Town: pistachion
Almost certain Town: Marquis, davesaz (based on result), Malakittens (based on result), podoboq (based on strong read)
Leaning Town: True Ogre, Mirhawk
Undecided: Pied Piper, Friendless Seniors, itlepip, Cereberus
Scummiest: Dramonic, SirCakez, TicTac (now replacement), Dwlee99

Undecided represents FS actually moving up from where I had him early on, itlepip is down from where I had Beeboy. Pied Piper is the one I feel most in need of re-reading, but I haven't found the time or energy to just do it yet. In scummiest, I've said everything I have to say about Draminoc. Pretty sure I've made my position on Cakez clear too. TicTac is also in need of a re-read, but I know there were several things I didn't like. Dwlee is just bugging me.

Thanks and I read the top half of your post as well. You're a fucking enigma to me right now. A scummy one, but I'm really not connecting with your processes so some of that might be my own predispoition to your play. I suppose... Do your thing? It'll make it easier for me to know where the hell you're coming from if you happen to be town.

Also I have role-based reasons to *tend* to think Piper's town. It's not strong, but it's another consideration for me. And if you haven't picked up on what my role is yet, then you're just going to have to wait till I die or until it becomes super-relevant.

First Question to you: Given your claim, what "role-based" reasons are making you think PP is Town? You didn't ever target him, and I don't believe he's claimed anything.

They crumbed flavour and locking that in so early I think would be disadvantageous for scum.

Okay. Well this is going to be fun because I'm late for work again so I imagine there's going to be a nice rush of activity. But it was you I was waiting on to say go ahead itle since I assumed you had some part in the results.

I'm Willy Wonka, flavour cop. (Slightly amused at this role given my alt.)

No result N1 investigating pistach, and no result again N2 investigating Axel.

I thought it extremely unlikely that I'd be interfered with N1 so I assumed pistach was lying.

*sigh* have fun.

Second question: Did you by any chance inquire of the Mod. for any clarification on what would cause "no result". i.e. is this what the mod. would tell you if you were role-blocked (instead of just saying, for example, "you have been role-blocked.")

I didn't enquire as to that specifically because I think it'd be pretty rare that a blocking action of any kind gives the blockee that level of information.
I was thinking of asking whether a Ninja-kill would return a no-result but it's moot since it doesn't apply to pistachion anyway.

Things get a bit muddy if it's applied to my investigate on you and you happened to attempt ninja-kill and that also failed somehow. But I doubt that's what happened.

You can always ask Rob yourself if you think it's relevant. I'm sure he loves it. Each of my submits have been "Dear Diary" entries.

I had overlooked the possibility of a ninja and that could make both players town where I was thinking one had to be scum.
Though I wonder what made it enter your thoughts.

3802
8 tabs in Firefox is working fine for me.

Because they were incredibly active yesterday, but have vanished today.

I don't think this is particularly unreasonable when yesterday was us pushing the shit out of our strongest scumread and today is very clearly not that. Do you disagree?

I'm not completely out of a game.

These are all of your posts from today.
You're out of the game.

[SirCakez]

Okey dokey looking forward to those ISO maps

[SirCakez]

There's the old Piper!
A question - do you think Cerb's interactions with Axel make him more likely scum?

[SirCakez]

I'll post here tomorrow morning, sorry

[SirCakez]

Because they were incredibly active yesterday, but have vanished today.

You are scum

I am intrigued. Explain.

Plotinus: Is there...a key somewhere?

Cakes still irks me. I mean has anyone paid much attention to him over the last couple days? He's coasting so hard I think some of the laws of physics are being broken. I don't think I've seen pretty much anything of substance from him since mid day three, and even at the deadline yesterday he was bizarrely uncaring about the fact that his top scumread all game was about to be lynched.

I am coasting yes. At deadline yesterday FS (a townread) was getting lynched and I wasn't here so ???

I think Dwlee is acting too incompetent to be scum but enough to maybe look at a policy/vig at some point.

Dwlee can appear like that as scum though.

[SirCakez]

I'm kinda bored by the Mirhawk fuckery.
Just mislynch his ass and move on.

Ewwwww.
Why aren't you doing something to drive the wagon elsewhere then?

Honestly agreeing with dram here.

This post is gross.

Actually, I don't want to lynch Mirhawk. He seemed genuinely suspicious of Skybird reading through his iso.

VOTE: SirCakez

That's such a bad reason to not want to lynch him. Bussing exists.

It's concerning to me that everyone who I am more suspicious of than confident in (podo, itlepip, and cakez) are also on the Mirhawk wagon..I still don't like mirhawk though. This is a terrible quqndary I find myself in..

Flip Mirhawk!scum and you will have answers!

[SirCakez]

It's concerning to me that everyone who I am more suspicious of than confident in (podo, itlepip, and cakez) are also on the Mirhawk wagon..I still don't like mirhawk though. This is a terrible quqndary I find myself in..

I recommend switching to Cakez asap.

I am coasting yes. At deadline yesterday FS (a townread) was getting lynched and I wasn't here so ???

I was talking about me. You didn't seem to care much that I was going to be lynched, which surprises me seeing as how you've been calling me scum all game. You were really enthusiastic.. for about two seconds, then you started ignoring the wagon.

You then unvoted me near the deadline for ~reasons~ but that doesn't seem to have effected your stance on me in any way, you still think I'm scum.

You switched form one wagon you thought was scum near the deadline when it could have gone through, for another one that had a far lesser chance of success.

Why should I make a big fuss that my top scumread is being wagoned? That's good, not bad.
I unvoted you to vote Axel who is now flipped scum, this should be a towntell but you're framing it like a scumtell.

Cakes 5690 and 5691 are pretty much entirely scumposts.

The only non-scummy parts are probably the very last statement made to Cerb, and the very first one made to Dram.

[SirCakez]

*pushes wagon wildly*

[SirCakez]

*facepalm*
Everything from the case I posted a while ago still applies + town was lynched as a counterwagon to you.

[SirCakez]

You're being intentionally obtuse. The counterwagon was FS obviously, I shouldn't need to literally go back and copy paste the wagon for you.
The case was back on Day 2 iirc. I'll dig it up later, you already responded to it I think.

[SirCakez]

The point that I'm making is that those two unvotes from your wagon were not the reason your wagon didn't go through.

And neither were you so stop trying to take credit for it.

The reason you were not lynched was because FS was lynched.

^^^

[SirCakez]

Friendless Seniors: The Pied Piper, Flubbernugget, talah, Axelrod, Malakittens, davesaz, podoboq, itlepip, Mirhawk (9)

Actually look at this wagon. Mir hammered it, Axel was in it in a safe spot, another scumread for me (Flubber) lead it.

[SirCakez]

Nooo, the reason I wasn't lynched is because my wagon couldn't find the last votes they needed.

This is a HUGE scumtell.

[SirCakez]

I'm quickly realizing my drive to play this game has been weakening the more and more this Mirhawk-TPP-no-I-am-the-top-poster thing continues and judging from recent activity patterns I'm sure it's not just me. This also feels petty to say but I feel like Nacho and Plot should both recognize how much his hydra is contributing to gamewide apathy.

At this point I'm still all for lynching Mirhawk and moving on, but while I don't think I'll actively vote TPP myself I wouldn't be too upset to see them gone.

I agree with everything stated in this post.

[SirCakez]

This game needs the Mirhawk flip to move on
Either that or TPP

[SirCakez]

The game is also pretty apathetic because a bunch of players (Flubber, Pistach, dramonic, Shotty kind of) are barely playing.

[SirCakez]

Like jeez the fact Mirhawk has sat at 4 or so votes for so long without ever being pushed through is a big scum tell.

[SirCakez]

Yeah because the conf town are apathetic as shit and Mir is one of the most active players which is making getting the votes on him hell.

[SirCakez]

I don't see a world where TPP and Mir are both town.

[SirCakez]

Because Mir is really scummy and you're starting to get really scummy and your interactions today don't feel like townies interacting
Its hard to explain
P-edit: Flubber?

[SirCakez]

I'm so glad Mala and Pistach are confirmed town ftr god

[SirCakez]

I talked about my Mirhawk scumread earlier. The stuff today is much less reliable then earlier because he's in much more danger of being lynched now so he's obviously going to be trying harder to look town.

[SirCakez]

I remember having a solid-ish townread on beeboy, but itle has been eh. Wouldn't lynch that today, but is potential scum later on.

[SirCakez]

No itle lynch. One of "The Two" has to go today.

[SirCakez]

Shotty's flavor cop claim needs to be tested legitimately also. The Mirhawk check after he had already claimed doesn't count.

[SirCakez]

I have not claimed flavor

[SirCakez]

Why, because I'm not your scum buddy?

[SirCakez]

Why, because I'm not your scum buddy?

Lol no, are you really asking a town pr to say what they will do during the day? Do you want to be JK'd or get me rolestopped? You are asking for pages of WIFOM

There is a good bit of reason to think you are scum. So yeah I would like to make sure you flavor cop someone townie. If you cop someone like dram I'll take it as a scumclaim basically.

I'm not going to commit to one person

obv

Why, because I'm not your scum buddy?

is you srs?

Yea

Okay, so I'm looking through TPP's iso, and their first few posts that address Skybird have the tone of "this isn't ideal play but I'm not going to say anything too damning." TPP is asking Skybird to elaborate on reads--but the kind of thing I'm talking about is in 987. They finally voted Skybird in 2877 and focused a lot on Skybird until her eventual lynch.

And searching through the rest of her iso, there are few mentions of Axelrod, but when there is, it's weak suspicion/scumreading. I don't see TPP ever being keen on Axelrod.

So I don't think it's likely TPP is scum, I don't like the pushes on TPP.

This makes no sense. You think TPP's interactions with Sky and Axel were bad, but you don't think they are scum?

[SirCakez]

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[SirCakez]

TPP, who do you want to lynch today?

[SirCakez]

Shotty, I also want to know the effect of mirhawk flip on your reads etc.

not going to happen

Do it
or else

i don't see tpp votes???

Make them happen you scrub

[SirCakez]

I've already said why they're scum, sircakez. It should have happened yesterday tbh

But Mirhawk needs to die
After College Mafia I'm tempted to just sheep you though.

[SirCakez]

No he was town and he had ace reads

[SirCakez]

More then three words pls

[SirCakez]

The "or else" was a joke btw
The point of the question is the way you went "oh Mirhawk's flip will affect my reads a lot" so I'm interested in knowing how it will. And now you're being all cryptic about it.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: shotty

[SirCakez]

Cerb vote him so maybe he'll be more motivated.

[SirCakez]

How is trying to settle this long-running 1v1 self serving O.o
The only things making me not want to murder Shotty right now is that he's in the Talah slot and his claim is testable.

[SirCakez]

Dwlee case TPP for me or I will riot

[SirCakez]

Dwlee let's flip Mirhawk today and then TPP tomorrow.

[SirCakez]

Because I'm expecting a scum flip from you but I'm less certain on TPP.

[SirCakez]

Why not?

[SirCakez]

[SirCakez]

But I don't want to be a sheep
I think Mirhawk is scum

[SirCakez]

Except you might be scum this game so I need you to actually be convincing :/

[SirCakez]

Meanwhile I've had a correct read on every lynch so far ^.^

[SirCakez]

If you flip town then I'd be more inclined to think TPP is scum and if you flip scum less inclined.

[SirCakez]

Yet you're already speculating on flipping Piper tomorrow despite being pretty sure I'm scum.

That was for Dwlee who won't shut up about TPP

[SirCakez]

Because I'm expecting a scum flip from you but I'm less certain on TPP.

So you think one is scum? Why have you ruled out TvT and bussing?

Yes I think one is scum

Because POE and I don't think either of them are likely bussers

[SirCakez]

Marquis pls post so that your cool insights can be kept around

[SirCakez]

I was referring to the big posts you made yelling at TPP and Mirhawk FYI
I'll vote TPP if really necessary but would really prefer a Mirhawk flip.

@Rob13 - V/LA until Monday

[SirCakez]

Wat?

[SirCakez]

Because I'm expecting a scum flip from you but I'm less certain on TPP.

So you think one is scum? Why have you ruled out TvT and bussing?

Yes I think one is scum

Because POE and I don't think either of them are likely bussers

Do you mean process of elimination? Because you're legit going to have to explain that. How would POE end up with either me or Piper being scum.

From an outside view I would say that there's little chance that I'm busing here, hardbussing a teammate for days isn't really my thing.

Because the pool of suspects is shrinking and it's leading me to think at least one of you two is scum.

Cerb can you actually explain why you're voting Podo?

[SirCakez]

Because the pool of suspects is shrinking and it's leading me to think at least one of you two is scum.

You already thought Axel was scum and Dav was town. Neither of those flips would have narrowed down your pool of suspects in any appreciable way, at least not in the way you're saying it did.

What? The flips did narrow my pool down, it's two deaths...

[SirCakez]

Ughhhh I really wish we had gotten Mirhawk instead
Intent to hammer, claim pls

[SirCakez]

TPP why aren't you claiming?

[SirCakez]

Oh I didn't see the end of 6007 OK. I'm expecting that, I'll see what I think of your other stuff.

[SirCakez]

Yeah tbh that's what I'm thinking dram post-FS lynch.

[SirCakez]

Dwlee what's your plan if this flips town?

[SirCakez]

Dwlee what's your plan if this flips town?

It might give me the real push I need to stop playing this game, join extracurricular things and make new friends, start hanging out with current and new friends, tryhard in school, get into MIT, graduate valedictorian, be the next bill gates, marry the girl of my dreams named Alex, and have a successful and very happy life. Why?

You should do this anyway!

TPP please claim now rather then later

[SirCakez]

Hmmmm
Flavor?

[SirCakez]

A significant portion of wanting to wait on claiming is because I fully expect this claim to get us lynched, and am trying to form a complete readslist before we get lynched.

Stuff like this makes me paranoid of a townflip.
Kinda worried now.

[SirCakez]

Just so you know, since I was a dick earlier, I think you're really cool and nice Plot, don't take any complaints about your posts directly to heart.

[SirCakez]

The fact Mirhawk has disappeared completely from the game at deadline is super scummy also.
Wish we could lynch there still :/

[SirCakez]

On the Mirhawk town case - I don't think his increased post count/emotional investment is indicative of town. I'm often more engaged and invested as scum. Especially as he became the top lynch target I don't think upping his posting is especially townie.
Dwlee is still a wild card to me because I know he death tunnels with little reasoning as town, I've seen it before. I remember his entrance being pretty townie and there's nothing smoking-gun on him. What specifically did you point out on him?

[SirCakez]

LMFAO
So TPP is basically confirmed town then! So glad I didn't hammer.

We should be looking for scum off-wagon now.
(Mirhawk, Podo, itle, dram) = pool

[SirCakez]

There was zero town incentive to unvote TPP after that awful claim. Dwlee was obviously bussing.

vote: TPP

such bus, much wow.

This kind of stuff sucks, probably best if dram gets vigged at some point tbh

The fact Podo's activity just shot up after a very likely town lynch was diverted into a scum lynch is very concerning to me.

[SirCakez]

I have so much doubts about tpp now. I literally based my entire read on them off flawed logic wjxbejxjen

This reads like you're bad scum who knows town is about to get lynched.

VOTE: dwlee

i'm willing to vote TPP if I wake up tomorrow morning and nobody's been lynched yet

VOTE: Dwlee

VOTE: dwlee

The confirmed town made up the core of the speedwagon so there's not much to be obtained there.
Shotty is much more likely town for his hammer though.

[SirCakez]

There was zero town incentive to unvote TPP after that awful claim. Dwlee was obviously bussing.

vote: TPP

such bus, much wow.

This kind of stuff sucks, probably best if dram gets vigged at some point tbh

OR you could vig TPP/Podo.

And lynch you?

lol Cerb
I'd be ok lynching Dram and vigging Podo actually

The fact Podo's activity just shot up after a very likely town lynch was diverted into a scum lynch is very concerning to me.

My activity shoots up when people are talking to me, and stagnates when they aren't. I don't usually have much to contribute, but obviously have a lot to contribute when the topic of discussion is me.

So when I'm a part of the lynch pool, which is completely fair, I'd absolutely like to talk.

This is a good response though so maybe not on the vig part.

VOTE: shotty

Anyway, I think there's a good chance it could be LYLO and we should mass claim today. You all know I'm an innocent child miller--Roxie Hart from Chicago.

There's next to no chance it's LyLo now.

But...he replaced TO/talah, who was like the towniest person here.

Agreed. This is basically the only thing making me want to not lynch shotty.

Also his hammer on Dwlee looked super town.

Basically I'd like to lynch Mir/Flubber/Podo (in that order) and vig Dram now.

[SirCakez]

Still the same reasons as before.....
Dram's behavior post-Dwlee flip has driven him up my scum list if it wasn't obvious
Itle's BG claim is believable for now
Shotty is in the Talah slot and hammered Dwlee
Mala/Marquis/Pist are conf town
Dwlee's push makes TPP basically conf town

Not much left over

[SirCakez]

I think I'm ok lynching Podo and having dram vigged if he town flips?

[SirCakez]

I know I'm getting into wine territory but something bugs me about having two death-tunnelers on the same scum team

I don't understand this, the team is completely random, it's not like scum could have chosen extra deathtunnelers or something.

VOTE: podoboq
I think my flip podo, vig dram if town plan is the way to go.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: podoboq
I think my flip podo, vig dram if town plan is the way to go.

Or you could reverse that. Lynch dram, vig me if dram flips town. Could you talk to me about why you're scum reading me, Cakez.

How you approached Dwlee. Like Marquis said, your interactions with him weren't very good

[SirCakez]

Thanks for giving me something to respond to Cakez. I have to admit, though, that I don't really see how my interactions with dwlee are scummy. You say they're "not very good," and I assume by that you mean they're scummy, since it's basically the only reason you're giving to scumread me. So I went into my ISO, did a find on "dwlee" and these are some of the posts I found.

Spoiler: posts I made that demonstrate that dwlee and I are not scum partners

Because TPP's claim was cleary bs and I knew it. I made good points about why it was bs and no one listened.

You basically made one point; a misrep about how they implied they were an investigative role (which they didn't), and then said that their knowledge doesn't come from being an investigative role. If I'm misremembering that in some way, let me know, and I'll go look through your ISO and quote all the instances I can find.

Yeah. The only things you said were that they claimed knowledge of PR's(which they did do), implied they were an investigative(which they didn't, as podo said), and they softed an innocent on someone(which they sorta did, but this lose a lot of meaning if you aren't assuming they claimed an investigative). You then put all that together in a blender, and realized none of it added up to a single role you could call them, and decided that meant part of what they were saying had to be untrue, therefore they are scum, without EVER considering that they could actually have just arrived at a number of conclusions through their analysis.

Don't think it really matters though, except I kinda do want to lynch you, but I don't think anybody else does. Like, does anybody else see dwlee as potentially scum here? I really feel like we need to look outside the established "probtown" group and the people that have been getting consistently pushed to the edge of being lynched.

pedit: pip, you really need to explain that read on me. I fucking suck man. And the only game you have with me was SF and UNIMUM(right? you were in unimum right?), where I was, well, a fucking marvel of posting. I was always there, I was on top of the entire game, and I had something to say about EVERYTHING.

I can see wagonning on dwlee here. Let's do it and see what happens. VOTE: dwlee

Because TPP's claim was cleary bs and I knew it. I made good points about why it was bs and no one listened.

You basically made one point; a misrep about how they implied they were an investigative role (which they didn't), and then said that their knowledge doesn't come from being an investigative role. If I'm misremembering that in some way, let me know, and I'll go look through your ISO and quote all the instances I can find.

time to get the iso!!

On it!

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Apparently dwlee wagon isn't happening. Cerb, I thought you wanted to do that.

VOTE: FS

Happy to lynch (in descending order of happiness):
dramonic (always happy for this)
Mirhawk
FS

Will accept, begrudgingly:
Cerberus
dwlee
TPP (this and dwlee are to resolve the conflict. one of the two needs to die soon, and TPP's mislynch could at least have protown implications in proving their reads as legit town's. I will only accept if the only other option is no lynch)

What was the whole Tracker issue with... Flubber and Dwlee, I think? I lost track of that.

Dwlee counterclaimed Flubber's one-shot and then retracted his counterclaim.

Since you've been here the whole time and clearly not as averse to doing a lot of digging, want to show me Flubber's reaction to that? Please?

I treated him like a dumbass but his inability to make any attempt to sort me from his actions is scummy

That's a good point. Dwlee has completely dropped the ball on actually trying to accomplish something with that counterclaim gambit.

Prod dodge / read list:

Def Town:

Marquis

- Pretty self explanatory. I also happen to have experience with her play, and she's playing basically exactly the same way she did last time we were town together. Not lynching.

dramonic

- I didn't want to have to spell this out, but look at the voting pattern. Dramonic voted Axelrod before it was cool, when Axelrod had absolutely no pressure on him, for basically the entire game. Dramonic is town.

pistachion

- duh

Mala

- Marquis has an innocent on her.

Pretty towny:

Cakez

- A lot of gut. A lot of consistency with how he played as town in our previous game. A lot of him having good reads. A lot of players I trust trusting him. I think Cakez is good.

shotty

- Don't like his opinions on the current game state, but I liked TO/Talah a lot. Would like to have him back.

Flubbernugget

- I don't know why, but I like him. I was ready to lynch Tictac, but I like Flubber's claim, and his contributing today has been worthy of keeping him around, as opposed to some other players in the game.

Pretty scummy:

dwlee

- HEY, HOW ABOUT BUILDING A CASE INSTEAD OF SHOUTING INTO THE VOID, which is basically what I'm doing by trying to speak any amount of reason to you.

itlepip

- Kinda just tired of this slot, to be honest. Beeboy was a whole lot of wifom, death tunneling someone who is now confirmed town. Itlepip protected dramonic for absolutely no reason other than "I think he's town, lol," then backed off of voting me when I was adamant about my read, but didn't actually vote for dramonic, or explain why he stopped voting for me. Like, I was 1v1ing dramonic, itlepip picked a side, then just jumped out of the middle of it when I gave him shit for it. Dramonic and I were town v town, and itlepip probably just realized he should leave me alone and let me fight rather than egg anything on, because it was bringing attention to him. But that's just how I'm reading it. If anyone forgets this exchange, and would like me to find the post number where it starts, I'll go digging.

I don't even know what to think any more:

TPP

- If I wanted to read a book, I would have finished Game of Thrones by now.

Cerberus

- All of his votes in the game have been for Mirhawk, which I find really weird. I don't know how to read this slot basically at all. I intend to ISO it at some point.

I trust Marquis:

Mirhawk

- Mirhawk seems pretty genuine to me here, and is reminding me a lot of FS. I also like the basic villager claim, because I'm certain we have some, and he's the first to claim basic, rather than some random power role. So far, the two scum have had weird modifiers. Mirhawk could safely claim that, or anything else that Rob provided as a fake claim, but instead he just says basic. I don't think that's farfetched.


I'm voting Mirhawk because I trust Marquis to read him better than I would, so I'm basically sheeping. If it were up to me, I'd lynch dwlee or itlepip here, or remove TPP and just call it a day.

Of course, some amount of this could easily be construed as some form of distancing. I'm aware of that. I'm hoping that the volume of these posts, matters for something. If I hadn't been absent from the start of the very fast dwlee wagon, I would have jumped on board. Obviously, there's no way for me to prove that, and I'm just gonna have to accept that I could get lynched here for being inactive during that time, and sacrificing my ability to demonstrate were I stood. As you can see from my ISO, I was happy with lynching either dwlee or TPP, I just didn't think dwlee was happening, and we were running out of time.


I obviously intend to be more active now that I'm on the chopping block, so if you have any questions for me, or anything you'd like me to elaborate on, please ask, so I can respond in kind. Unless you're scum, and you have no interest in giving town the chance to defend themselves.

I looked through these and I think if anything, these quotes are more indicative of you being scum with dwlee then not. For example, jumping off of Dwlee onto FS isn't a good association. Putting Dwlee in "acceptable but not preferred" lynch isn't a good association. Pushing Dwlee to give a case on TPP is rather null.

Still the same reasons as before.....
Dram's behavior post-Dwlee flip has driven him up my scum list if it wasn't obvious
Itle's BG claim is believable for now
Shotty is in the Talah slot and hammered Dwlee
Mala/Marquis/Pist are conf town
Dwlee's push makes TPP basically conf town

Not much left over

I'm not really talking about myself here, I'm more referring to your stances on Flubber, Podo, and Dramonic.

I'm curious as to why you suspect those three in particular.

Though for the record I think that the fact that you're still apparently scumreading me for "reasons" you came up with on day one is hilarious.

Flubber has been doing next to nothing all game
Podo has bad associations with flipped scum
Dram is still pushing TPP post-Dwlee flip for next to no reason

I'm not scumreading you as strongly anymore btw

current endgaming stuff

The Pied Piper lynched
SirCakez NKed
Mirhawk lynched
dramonic vig tonight
Marquis
Flubbernugget lynched in f3
Cerberus v666 lynched
Malakittens Nked
itlepip Nked
pistachi0n Nked
drmyshottyizsik
podoboq lynch today

Wtf is this?

^

Elyse

is like cop-clear levels of town though.

Maxous

confirmed her neighborize and

Maxous

is nigh confirmed town.
And Nero some of your pairings make no sense. Like

Elyse

+

Titus

or

Elyse

+

Maxous

would be obvious but not

Titus

+

Maxous

.

Cakes, in Borderlands, just a few weeks before this game started, you learned a hard lesson about confirmable role not being the same thing as confirmed town alignment when

Elyse

endgamed your buddy. Why have you been so quick to townread people whose roles were confirmable in this game?

Who's confirmable roles? The only people I'm townreading from roles are the three conf town obviously and then itle tentatively for his BG claim.
O.o

[SirCakez]

The Fruit Vendor thing was a special case because I didn't see scum having that role. I went over it a lot back when FS was still alive.
Also in Borderlands since you brought that up a large part of the reason why I was townreading Elyse iirc was because I didn't think scum would have Claptrap as a fakeclaim considering the quality of our fakeclaim.

[SirCakez]

He didn't actually promise that, he refused after I asked.
Also the game I was referring to was Legend of Zelda where we mislynched a fruit vendor day 1 despite my misgivings about their claim.

[SirCakez]

I think Podo and dram should both claim.

[SirCakez]

Ranger flipped VT...

[SirCakez]

I feel no desire to claim

Podo that crumb is way too recent to matter

[SirCakez]

Usually yeah they're advertised as role madness or something similar
I've seen a game with only two VTs in 24 players though (Borderlands) and that wasn't advertised as role madness or anything.

[SirCakez]

Cerberus why the hell are you trying to force a mass flavor claim? We still need to test Shotty's claim.

[SirCakez]

I do care about testing it though

[SirCakez]

It would definitely make me think he was more town given I don't see why scum would ever have a flavor cop. He could be a role cop or something similar of course, so not confirmed town.

[SirCakez]

You asked me for my flavor though....

[SirCakez]

...
Besides, the people I'm asking are the questionables.

No Cerb I was referring to you saying you were asking the "questionables"

Sc this looks bad buddy. Role cop is fairly useless on either alignment.

Rolecop is pretty good....

[SirCakez]

*sigh* okay, 1) did mirhawk claim before shotty chose his targst? 2) did shotty announce mirhawk flavor, before it was claimed?

Shotty

Shotty's slot has yet to out a player's flavor. He invested pistach n1, got no result, and challenged it, if I remember correctly. I think during N2, he checked Mirhawk, and didn't out the flavor. He just confirmed that it was Urinetown after Mirhawk did. Apparently, the slot has had two no results since. I'm gonna go dig and make sure I have that stuff right. Will provide quotes.

This is why I want the claim tested so much Cerb
The fact two no results have been claimed implies if the slot is scum it's not a Rolecop or something that could find flavor.

[SirCakez]

Please provide a short dissertation on your theory there.

Her votes have been opportunistic but more importantly she's done a lot of the "lol I'm so bad at this game" and it doesn't sit well with me.

Okay thanks.

Can you please specify your Miller role. I have a result on you which says you're not a miller.

p-edit: Are you saying that you don't have a result on pistach for n1?

N1- No Result
N2- No Result
N3- Mir is urinetown
N4- Beloved Prince

The double no results are the biggest problem I have with this claim. I don't see scum blocking TO two night in a row over something minor like a flavor cop. It doesn't add up.

I'm guessing axel,

Is that just a guess? Have you checked your role PM to see if the targets were divulged? Sorry I'm prying. I'm just trying to figure out what we know and what we don't.

Give me 10 minutes and I'll be back in the office and can check my pm's.

unvote podo

Dram let's go with tpp and vig podo if tpp is town.

VOTE: tpp

ewwwww

@Shotty: Do you remember why you decided to investigate Mirhawk?

Ya I was just looking at my notes here from when I first read the game. He looked to be the wagon that would take off the next do so I wanted to be ready to call bs on a fake claim(to the degree I could). Infact I'm going to go back to my original read through list for scum, I'm thinking dram got in my head(he is good at that)
Scum are Mirhawk and Dram. I actually had TPP and Podo on my town reads, I've been brainwashed by the need to sheep

VOTE: dram

let's vig mir regardless.

Why do you vote hop so much O.o

Flubber has been doing next to nothing all game
Podo has bad associations with flipped scum
Dram is still pushing TPP post-Dwlee flip for next to no reason

I get these.

I kinda have the impression that Flubber is still playing his cards super close to his chest which makes me feel like he has a plan or agenda of some sort. I'm not saying necessarily a scum one, just I get the feeling like he's up to something.

Speaking of which,

@Flubber
Seriously man do you guys talk in the neighborhood or not. Does it even exist.

I just want Flubber to do something....anything

[SirCakez]

First and foremost: If Dram flips scum, and the game doesn't immediately end, we either have five scum or a serial killer. Which of the two is more likely?

I don't think there's any way to tell. At least not right away.

I'm not asking anyone to claim here, but did I miss a claimed vig or are we just assuming? Because in that case a SK may not be unlikely, again do not claim if you are the vig and already have.

I'm not asking anyone to claim here, but did I miss a claimed vig or are we just assuming? Because in that case a SK may not be unlikely, again do not claim if you are the vig and already have.

I think this is pretty much 100% guesswork from everyone involved.

I don't see a SK only killing every other night and making either of those shots fyi.

Also, Itlepip: you do realize your entire roles value has been compromised, yes? By outing that you're a bodyguard, scum will simply block you(which is something we have evidence of them doing) and just kill whoever they want? You need to remove the assumption that you'll die before the end game from your equations.

This is good. This means we'll be able to test Shotty's claim fairly easily, if he's legit.

[SirCakez]

Cakez fits too, but I really don't want that to be the case because then I might have to take back some of the things I said about Pipers crumb finding skills.

The Kingmaker description Rob gave seems pretty complete, not sure why that's a problem.

[SirCakez]

They don't have anything to do with each other. The facepalm was at the quote and the comment was unrelated.

[SirCakez]

How does the bodyguard role work that you've played in person?

They protect a player at night at no cost. They don't die in the place of their target. They just prevent the death.

This isn't how Bodyguard works here....

Shotty should target either Mala or myself tonight.

[SirCakez]

Wait who's the other bulletproof claim aside from TPP?

[SirCakez]

Oh ok, I think Flubber is scum anyway.

[SirCakez]

And Flubber is in the scummy Tictac spot too, I totally forgot. With Podo's recent content I'd prefer a Flubber lynch over him now.

[SirCakez]

Scum neighborizers are most definitely a thing

[SirCakez]

Yep!

[SirCakez]

No but his consistent engagement and trying to talk to his pushers instead of shutting them out is.

[SirCakez]

That's not at all what you said.

[SirCakez]

Oh that's what you meant by wahh.
It looks like a townish behaviour to me at least.

[SirCakez]

Agreed with the general sentiment that the vig needs to claim.

????
How is this a sentiment?

[SirCakez]

I do not because then scum can rb the vig then if they have a rber?

[SirCakez]

Anyways, so.

Lynch TPP, if town shoot dram, lynch flub? I think that sounds reasonable.

How do you feel about flub dramonic?

nononononono no lynching TPP today

Shotty should target either Mala or myself tonight.

That's a joke right?

Why on earth would he protect you?

Marquis, Mala, and Pistachion are the best choices. He shouldn't say exactly which he's picking either.

Oh, I don't believe flubber is lying about his role. He's just a scum JOAT, if he's scum. *shrug*

Agree with this sentiment btw, nothing he claimed was something only town would have.

I also think I might know what Cerb's role is? If it is what I think then he's likely scum.

[SirCakez]

By Cerb's role, I mean what he's informed of and his flavor

[SirCakez]

Part of the reason for me revealing that gambit is to explain why I think Cakez is the SK. I believed TPP when they read Cakez as vig. In watching his posts for it, I see it as well. But his play has caused me to think he's not town. He's not claiming vig now, so unless the vig read that TPP and I had on him is wrong, he's the SK.

VOTE: Cakez

Huh? You're talking like there's definitely a SK. Why can't there be a Vig?
fyi if I was a SK I wouldn't try to fake being a Vig and shoot scummy people lol

By Cerb's role, I mean what he's informed of and his flavor

Oh? You should take a guess.

If I do it will basically out my role
Which it basically has already if you are what I think

[SirCakez]

What am I missing?
You and TPP are being dumb and getting "vig readings" on me when I'm a completely different role.

[SirCakez]

OK so you guys think the Vig should claim. Not sure how that connects to a guaranteed SK.

[SirCakez]

Mala hasn't disclaimed Vig yet. If it's not her then maybe you are correct.

[SirCakez]

Heh you're going to be eating your words either way then.
I'd really rather not claim today though, I really want shotty tested.

[SirCakez]

My flavor is highly tied to my role.

[SirCakez]

Why would a town Jailkeeper jail TO night 1 and 2?

[SirCakez]

Ok on night 1 that makes sense but after claiming an Investigative?

[SirCakez]

A shitty investigative? Yes, you jail keep that still. Pistachion thought conftown waa a ghost, no reason to protect her at that stage.

Not if you want to test any of those flavor claims or actually get them confirmed <.<

[SirCakez]

Flubber is a great lynch target still.

[SirCakez]

I still think the vig claiming today is stupid ftr
If it's actually a SK let them kill another scummy person to keep up their act tonight. If they kill someone townie then they confirm a SK.

[SirCakez]

I am reading the game ffs <.<

[SirCakez]

If who gets shot tonight, changes if you want to lynch the shooter or not, you're not reading.
OR you don't understand the gamestate.

Flubber is a pretty crap lynch ftr.

Elaborate.

Remember, in the universe I'm contemplating, the choice is between TPP and Flubbernugget.

You've been attempting to get TPP lynched forever.

Why is flubber crap?

Also, does anyone care enough about shotty's ability to not have everyone flavor claim now so we can just resolve this bullshit thing that I have? Other than cakez, that is?

Honestly, your thing is more important to me than confirming that shotty is flavor cop.

On further thought, just don't have Mala claim. She's already conftown.

Cakez should claim flavor, since you might be able to confirm he's town and I can move my vote elsewhere.

WTF
I'm not claiming flavor, shotty needs to be tested.

I actually think the Vig is an Odd Vig and that's why the shots have been going the way they are. That's just a wild theory though.