A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[podoboq]

Part of the reason for me revealing that gambit is to explain why I think Cakez is the SK. I believed TPP when they read Cakez as vig. In watching his posts for it, I see it as well. But his play has caused me to think he's not town. He's not claiming vig now, so unless the vig read that TPP and I had on him is wrong, he's the SK.

VOTE: Cakez

[podoboq]

I'm still skeptical cakez is reading the game.

That or he's not town.

[podoboq]

OK so you guys think the Vig should claim. Not sure how that connects to a guaranteed SK.

We've threatened to autokill the vig when they claim unless they claim now. This is because, if we have an SK, we need to kill them now, and we could have either an SK pretending to be vig or a vig. Since the vig refuses to claim, they are probably an SK. If they aren't, they're still too big of a threat to keep around too long.

[podoboq]

Mala hasn't disclaimed Vig yet. If it's not her then maybe you are correct.

If she claims vig, I'll eat my words and accept that I'm wrong, but for now, I'm operating under the read that you are the SK.

[podoboq]

Heh you're going to be eating your words either way then.
I'd really rather not claim today though, I really want shotty tested.

Unless there's something weird about your role, we can still test shotty's flavor copping abilities regardless of whether or not you claim.

[podoboq]

I agree the vig should claim, and I wonder if scum is trying to stall again.

Resetting my timer

Just sayin

[podoboq]

Anyway, it's possible TPP and shotty are scum, but not nearly as likely as you or podo.

What about Flubber? I can see myself voting there today. Would prefer Cakez, who you didn't mention.

[podoboq]

Not it.

ZzzzZZZzzzZzzZzZZZ

You mean that you aren't vig, right? Do you have any opinion on the whole vig/SK thing?

[podoboq]

Flubber is a pretty crap lynch ftr.

Elaborate.

Remember, in the universe I'm contemplating, the choice is between TPP and Flubbernugget.

You've been attempting to get TPP lynched forever.

Why is flubber crap?

Also, does anyone care enough about shotty's ability to not have everyone flavor claim now so we can just resolve this bullshit thing that I have? Other than cakez, that is?

Honestly, your thing is more important to me than confirming that shotty is flavor cop.

[podoboq]

Flubber is a pretty crap lynch ftr.

Elaborate.

Remember, in the universe I'm contemplating, the choice is between TPP and Flubbernugget.

You've been attempting to get TPP lynched forever.

Why is flubber crap?

Also, does anyone care enough about shotty's ability to not have everyone flavor claim now so we can just resolve this bullshit thing that I have? Other than cakez, that is?

Honestly, your thing is more important to me than confirming that shotty is flavor cop.

On further thought, just don't have Mala claim. She's already conftown.

Cakez should claim flavor, since you might be able to confirm he's town and I can move my vote elsewhere.

[podoboq]

I'm not claiming flavor, shotty needs to be tested.

You aren't the only one with unclaimed flavor, though. Mala hasn't claimed either. Shotty can just target there.

Plus, I don't know why you're so invested in shotty being tested. TO was one of the towniest slots in the game. I highly doubt the role was just made up. It's possible that the slot could be mafia flavor cop if you want to get dumb about it. Testing it doesn't really get us anywhere.

You claiming, though, could conf town you with Cerb's information. So basically you think conf town is less value somehow than confirming shotty's role (assuming he isn't roleblocked), which is not necessarily indicative of his alignment.

Idk if I said this earlier but I wouldn't try to fake being Vig with my NKs as SK

WIFOM. Also, if that's true, good luck winning as SK, because that's basically the only potential leverage the role has.

This doesn't really matter anyway because my role claim will basically conftown me anyway

I doubt it, but assuming that's true, why not just do it now? According to you we have one certain way to confirm you, and one possible way to confirm you through Cerb, and you're refusing to let us do either because.......

[podoboq]

Podo I don't believe for a minute you left that"crumb" with the intent of scum picking it up

Again, Cakez and Marquis played a game with me where as vanilla town, I made basically the same play. It's one of my two completed games on site. If they don't want to comment on it, I can go find the page in that game where it happens.

[podoboq]

Found it! In case people find it interesting.

As for you reading me as a cop, I have something I should confess. At the end of the last day phase, I was honestly trying to fake being a pr.

For what it matters, if my role conflicted with NLR's role here, I would not counterclaim,

because this lynch is obvious to me, and it is not worth getting an actual PR killed in order to confirm that NLR is scum.

Also, just to be clear,

THIS IS NOT A COUNTERCLAIM.

I was hoping this would be read as "wink wink nudge nudge, I'm actually the cop, I KNOW that NLR is lying." I was hoping scum would kill me in the night, and that the pr would survive. I was even expecting to die, and posted some last words in case I did.

I don't know if faking being the pr is something that town normally does here, because this is my first game on mafiascum, but I was confident that it was the right play to make. It has the benefit of protecting the actual pr if scum believes me, and has the benefit of convincing town that we are right to move forward with the lynch if town believes me.

So fakeclaiming as a cop when you're a townie.

thats stupid, just going to say that right now. Don't ever do this again.

For the record, I also tried to make it look like I was a PR in order to bait a kill. It's only a smart move to try and muddle the waters in a situation like that where you want to keep PRs alive. In hindsight, knowing that scum probably tried to kill me night 1, it was likely they wouldn't have targeted me either way in case I was protected by Doctor or Jailkeeper again.

There's a major difference between outright fakeclaiming a power role and causing the real one to counterclaim, and dropping subtle red herrings that only scum have an absolute need to be looking for anyway. And with NLR's Jailkeeper claim at L-1 already out there, there was no harm to be had in what either of us did.

No I think what Podo was doing was smart. It looked like he was trying to bait out the kill in a sneaky way scum would notice but town wouldn't dig into.

[podoboq]

sorry I got in a car accident last night, hospital post, will be out later today sorry.

Hope you're alright, dude. Real life is always more important than mafia.

[podoboq]

You say you think you know what Cerbs role is and that it makes him scummy, but you don't want to tell us what it is or why he's scummy. Thanks a lot.

You both say your flavor is related to someone else's, but are still refusing to say what or why for -reasons-. It is by the way painfully obvious to everyone that you're talking about each other here.

Everyone's keeping secrets for stupid reasons and it's driving me nuts.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

It's extra annoying to me, because not only am I pretty sure that I'm getting lynched today over this problematic nightmare, but it means I won't be around to provide any analysis on his eventual claim. Like, I've been trying to spend my last day before my flip doing some game solving so that I can provide something after I'm lynched, but Cakez refuses to talk. Assuming I get lynched today, can town please focus some attention on Cakez? I think he's our SK, and if he's not, with this behavior I'd still think he's scum.

[podoboq]

hi guys, let's lynch someone soon k?

What's with the rush? We have almost four days. I'd like to use that time to get some information into the game.

[podoboq]

I'm bored.

That's fair

[podoboq]

Let's do it, then.

VOTE: podoboq L-2

I thought I was a townread of yours. Did that change, or are you just trying to avoid a no lynch?

[podoboq]

Also the way he's trying to replicate something he did as town in a previous game feels like a scum tactic.

It's a gambit that I ran as town that didn't help get me town points (and wasn't intended to). Why would I run the gambit, then bring it up a month later to try to get town points here?

I didn't point it out to be read as town, I pointed it out because after I'm lynched, it'd be cool if people looked at it and tried to see what I'm seeing. At this point, I'm kind of just ready to get flipped so that we can resolve this and just lynch you. Your play today has been immensely scummy, and I think people will be able to look at that with a little more clarity during the downtime.

[podoboq]

anything happened yet? no? ok.

You can help make something happen. Want to vote Cakez and make him claim?

[podoboq]

Your asking to come under more scrutiny could be an attempt to shed excess towncred.

I legitimately don't understand why scum would want to "shed excess towncred." Forget about me trying to convince you of anything, I'm already basically resigned to getting lynched today. Could you explain to me the strategy in what you're talking about?

[podoboq]

As for the SK thing, because I feel a responsibility to respond to it:

Also, some of the reasons that I were townreading you were contingent on there not being an SK. For example I didn't think that you calling out to Axel on day 1 and begging him to hammer Ranger was something you were likely to do if you were scum together with Axel, and you were on the Skybird wagon very early. Being an SK is very similar to being town, in that you don't know who the groupscum are so you can scumhunt genuinely.

You're right that SK!me wouldn't know who to buddy up with, which would explain why I buddied a bit with Axel and why I've buddied with Cakez (sorry bro, pretty confident about this one.) But is there actually a world in which I'm the SK here? The whole reason we're talking about it is because I brought up the possibility of it. It's because of dramonic's and my back and forth that we came to the conclusion to never let a claimed vig make it far enough to destroy the game, in case they're an SK? If I'm the SK, I sabotaged their only plausible route to victory for....?

There's absolutely no reason, as SK, for me to play this day the way I have.

[podoboq]

anything happened yet? no? ok.

You can help make something happen. Want to vote Cakez and make him claim?

See crap like this makes me scumread you
I have a claim that will make me obvtown and you want me to claim it and let scum know? hell no

Also if you have a role that will autotown you what possible use is there in hiding it now? Scum have three confirmed town to kill already, throwing a fourth on the pile certainly won't hurt the situation.

What the hell is the damage of claiming here when it makes you obvtown, and expands the circle of town in a very nearly solved game? You're just stalling, or extremely paranoid, and I think you're too good a player to just be paranoid.

[podoboq]

I want to test the freaking flavor cop
I can't even remember how many times I've said this

And your musical can 100% be discerned from information about your role? Cool.

[podoboq]

I want to test the freaking flavor cop
I can't even remember how many times I've said this

Also, why? There are other people who haven't claimed flavor, other people that shotty could target to prove his role. And even if there weren't, why do we care to force him to prove his role when it's obviously true anyway? Even if he proved his role, it isn't necessarily indicative of his alignment, so it doesn't necessarily give us

anything

more than what we already have, which is obvtown because of TO's obvtown play.

I can't even remember how many times I've said this

[podoboq]

Your asking to come under more scrutiny could be an attempt to shed excess towncred.

I legitimately don't understand why scum would want to "shed excess towncred." Forget about me trying to convince you of anything, I'm already basically resigned to getting lynched today. Could you explain to me the strategy in what you're talking about?

I was an arsonist in WiFoM city back in October, and for most of the game, I was in danger of being nightkilled by the groupscum. I needed to look town enough to not get lynched, but not so town that groupscum nightkilled me.

In my second scumgame, the setup was like 2:2:1:1:1:1:1:1:3 or something with the 3 being town and I was on a two player scumteam but my buddy was modkilled very early into day 1. Nacho was one of the 5 third parties (the remaining 1s was a mafia traitor who could've joined either scumteam). In that game, I was the only player who was scumhunting, engaging with everybody, posting actively, and looking town. I didn't know how to turn the obvtown off yet because I was a newbie. I realised that I was probably going to get nightkilled and lose the game, so I started begging other people to stick their necks out too and saying that we probably all have the best role PMs we've ever gotten so that's not a good reason to hang back, and I tried to get other people to scumhunt and look towner than me so that they would get nightkilled instead of me, but my efforts just made me look even more town than I already looked, and then I was nightkilled on night 1 and lost the game.

If you're an SK, or if you're the last member of your scumteam, you lose the game if you're nightkilled, so you don't want to look too town, you want to look kind of in the middle. You were asking other people to push on you and scumhunt you and put you under more pressure. If people start looking into you, you'll look more lynchable and less likely to be nightkilled.

From the mafiscum wiki:
"Serial Killers are often given One-Shot or unlimited Bulletproof. This stymies attempts to kill the SK by the Mafia or Vigs, if temporarily."

This is something I'm familiar with from Town of Salem. If I'm being viewed as a townleader (which I absolutely never was, there were always several people more obvtown than me, including three conftown), and if I'm targeted at night by the mafia because they see me as a townleader, then cool, they wasted a kill. SK is bulletproof. I'd rather risk being targeted by them than by town.

Plus, how do you factor in the vig crumb gambit when your concern is that I'm trying to avoid being a NK target, and I literally did a thing to make myself be a NK target?

[podoboq]

Only three people I think haven't claimed flavor
If too many claim flavor then scum can just NK whoever didn't claim flavor and give him an out if he's scum

And bg can just protect that player. Like, the benefit of you not claiming isn't 0%, but it's also not astronomical, and I don't think it holds a candle to the benefit we get out of you being obvtown. If Cerb can confirm you after your claim, and Cerb is killed tonight, and we lose that opportunity, then where does that leave us? If you're SK, you can just kill Cerb tonight, and tomorrow say "Well shucks, now cerb can't conf me. I'm from The Book of Mormon, guys."

Also the fact he said he got no result night 1 and 2 means he's probably not a rolecop or anything like that if he's scum

TO wasn't scum. I don't understand how that's somehow still a question to you.

[podoboq]

that SvS exchange

I assume you mean me and somebody? Cakez or TPP?

[podoboq]

...
That SvSvS exchange!
:p

If we're all three scum, just vote for the SK with me and take away their night kill.

[podoboq]

Nobody would ever have seen that vig crumb. It's the kind of crumb scum are more likely to do than town because if you change your mind, chances are nobody saw it anyway.

I have pretty little experience with crumbs. I can point to my other one game on site where I discovered what crumbs were for the first time, because this is my only experience playing mafia in a forum.

The only ways I know to do it are to anagram something (which was done in the Micro I played) and to spell something out using all of the capital letters in a post. I feel like "IMVIG" being spelled out in a post where I'm being intentionally vague and handwavey, after saying "I know who the vig is, but I'm can't tell you why," is a pretty easy crumb to find if you're looking for crumbs, and I don't understand why scum wouldn't be reading into it. If anything, I worried it was too obvious.

[podoboq]

You're right that SK!me wouldn't know who to buddy up with, which would explain why I buddied a bit with Axel and why I've buddied with Cakez (sorry bro, pretty confident about this one.) But is there actually a world in which I'm the SK here? The whole reason we're talking about it is because I brought up the possibility of it.

Saying things along the line of "I wouldn't do this if I were the SK/I wouldn't know what to do if I were the SK" is useless unless you've been SK enough for us to look through your meta.

The SK had a clean avenue to win the game if I hadn't blown it up. I'm not saying "I wouldn't play this way as the SK," I'm saying NO SK would every do that to themselves, because now they basically can't win. There's no way I was going to get enough towncred for bringing this up to offset completely shooting myself in the foot if I were SK. So the only reasonable thing to consider is that I'm town trying to shed some light before I get lynched or that I'm mafia trying to destroy SK's game and get them lynched in my place. But TPP is saying that my interactions with flipped mafia preclude the latter from being a good possibility.

It's an inconsistency I'm trying to address.

[podoboq]

I looked for them on Day 2 in response to seeing the flip. Marquis did too, apparently. If he knew they were lovers on day 1 and then decided to start this conversation today about how the scumteam might have known then he has balls of titanium.

Crumbhunting plays an important part in my town game. I successfully caught Bella as scum because she crumbed "JAILS MM&E" in her usual crumbing style in open 618 but did not counterclaim the real jailkeeper. (capital letters, right to left, top to bottom; there's a superfluous capital I in there too but it doesn't count, only the first L in LLD counts. Another clue was that she capitalises some people's names but not others, as was the word Jeez which she hadn't used on the site previously. we were a reasonable jailkeeping target because we were practically an innocent child that game.)

I mean, it's easier in an open setup and it's easier with friends that you know how they usually crumbs things, and it's much easier in hindsight after a flip, but in a closed setup if you can catch somebody crumbing multiple roles or crumbing something but not acting like the thing that they crumbed...maybe that's not how you scumhunt but for me it's one of the tools in my toolbox.

I

think they know what they were doing with that dump.

M

y opinion is that they're smart enough to not reveal information that would make the game worse for town, as town.

V

ig is obviously a powerful role, and

I

have no intention of revealing who it is.

G

ood luck to scum on making more use of that information dump than town can.

For reference. You taught me this method of crumbing, and then I implemented it.

[podoboq]

Do you look at the capital letters in every single post in a 269 page game? Do you expect most people to do this?

I felt that I was drawing enough attention to myself with "Cakez isn't the vig, I know who it is, and I'm not going to say who" that it would have warranted scum to take a closer look at my next few posts. I also felt like the post where I crumbed it sounded stilted and weird, and warranted a closer look for that reason as well. I worried a bit that you would pick up on it, when I really just wanted scum to notice it, but I didn't think it was a likely possibility that it would go by completely unnoticed by everybody, and thought that at least if it does, it won't actually

damage

the game state.

I mean there are two possibilities here. A) I suck at crumbing apparently, or B) I'm scum/SK setting that up to prove that I'm vig later. So if I had the plan to claim vig later, why would I have played today the way I did, claiming VT (without much pressure), and pointing out that the vig claim might actually be an SK, so we need to be wary about letting the vig move forward too far, and then also pointing out the crumb that apparently nobody saw anyway and saying it was a gambit all along rather than just ignoring it? When scum crumb roles so they can claim them later, don't they usually ignore them if they choose not to claim it. So it's actually A) I'm not great at crumbing, or B) I created a very elaborate ruse and then collapsed it for absolutely no reason whatsoever rather than milking it and surviving another day.

I'm gonna go Occam's Razor on this one.

[podoboq]

Occam's razor... I don't see how that applies here. I think we have to make fairly equal leaps for everyone here.

In layman's terms, given two options where only one can be true, the simpler one is usually true. Either I'm town who played a cute gambit that I also played in my newbie game or I'm scum playing this most convoluted and suicidal game of mafia ever conceived. Like, please review my plays from the perspective of scum, and ask yourself "Why in the world would he do any of that?" And I'm not even trying to divert my lynch at this point. I just want people to start looking at what I'm saying, and legit think about it. Cakez should be claiming and isn't.

He's probably SK, and probably going to kill Cerb tonight, then not have a way to confirm he's town and just give you a big darn it tomorrow.

If he's town, mafia kills Cerb anyway, then leaves you in the same position where he's unconfirmable.

[podoboq]

So, let's choose someone for Podo to kill tonight, and if they aren't NK'd we lynch Podo tomorrow?

What? I'm not the vig. I'm vanilla townie. I have literally no night action.

[podoboq]

...
That SvSvS exchange!
:p

If we're all three scum, just vote for the SK with me and take away their night kill.

You seem to have forgotten that the plan involves lynching Cakez

later

and you first.

vote: podo

L-1

Give me a second to make a final readslist, then feel free to hammer, whoever wants to.

[podoboq]

Definitely town:

pistachi0n

- conftown. Too bad she's wrong about basically everything, but hey, what can you do?

Marquis

- basically conftown

Mala

- technically more conftown than Marquis. If Marquis is town, Mala must be town. If Marquis is scum, Mala can still be town. But there isn't a universe where Mala is scum and Marquis is town. I assume everyone understands that, but just in case.

Probably town:

shotty

- Town because of TO. I don't actually think their role is much worth testing.

itlepip

- Bodyguard claim seems solid. itlepip should eventually claim who their targets where, because those targets are statistically more likely to be scum.

Cerberus

- I've been back and forth on this slot, but if I had to pick I'd say more town. I don't like that there's a claim missing from him, but I expect it to come out tomorrow or for him to be killed tonight. If there's a vig, he's a fucking moron if he targets Cerb. If there's an SK, it's SC.

TPP

- This is the slot I'm most unsure of. Several fantastic moments in the game, including making a fabulous town case for me and killing dwlee. A few terrible moments, like scumreading me for no legitimate reason all of a sudden.

Lynch pool:

Flubbernugget

- Don't like the interactions from the slot, don't like tictac, but there's a claim there worth noting. If he doesn't use his tracker and provide all of his information tomorrow, just lynch him.

dramonic

- I feel like his form of play is anti-town, and I think his reads are mostly bad, but a good claim could move him into probably town. Without a real claim, just lynch him.

Mirhawk

- I think he's town, but there's no way to prove anything on him, and he's claimed VT which is functionally less helpful than stuff like an X-shot BP, so I'd risk a mislynch here before stuff like TPP, who I'm just a bit less confident in.

Probably scum/SK

(is SK technically scum? I still haven't figured that out):

SirCakez

- Please read my ISO for more explanation, but I'm pretty confident that Cakez is the SK if there is one. I thought he was vig, as did TPP, for the way he's responded to the vig's actions, and the way he's called vig shots, as well as just a few interactions here and there. However, his interactions are heavily scummy in my book. I think he's opportunistic, I think he throws shade where it doesn't belong, and I think he's stalling and intentionally refusing to make plays that are protown. I made points to him about claiming which he's ignored, namely that Cerb's death precludes our ability to supposedly confirm him. I think he's stalling until he has a nightphase in which he can kill Cerb. So I think the BG should protect Cerb, or the tracker should at least watch there, but hey, you do you.

[podoboq]

Good luck to town.
No hard feelings to any of you after the game, obviously. Have fun!

[podoboq]

Podo that isn't how that works.

Purely statistically, yeah it is. Your targets have never been nightkilled. Scum are less likely to be NK targets.

[podoboq]

I meant for my targets, I can out them, but first of all they are all just TO and then Marquis, and that doesn't mean that Marquis is any more likely to be mafia.

It doesn't make them mafia, but statistically, it makes it slightly more likely. It could tip the scale if your targets where inside of the lynch pool, but whatever. It's just a small bulletpoint that could have been useful.

[podoboq]

Only three people I think haven't claimed flavor
If too many claim flavor then scum can just NK whoever didn't claim flavor and give him an out if he's scum

And bg can just protect that player. Like, the benefit of you not claiming isn't 0%, but it's also not astronomical, and I don't think it holds a candle to the benefit we get out of you being obvtown. If Cerb can confirm you after your claim, and Cerb is killed tonight, and we lose that opportunity, then where does that leave us? If you're SK, you can just kill Cerb tonight, and tomorrow say "Well shucks, now cerb can't conf me. I'm from The Book of Mormon, guys."

Also the fact he said he got no result night 1 and 2 means he's probably not a rolecop or anything like that if he's scum

TO wasn't scum. I don't understand how that's somehow still a question to you.

Except if I claim something that doesn't fit what I've been saying today I'll get lynched presumably. But that won't happen since I'm not scum.
TO wasn't scummy, shotty sure as hell is

Except your claim makes you "obvtown" so why would we lynch you.

[podoboq]

VOTE: podo
ok cool
now if you are town let's vig dram and move the fuck on

You aren't listening. Cakez is the vig/SK slot, and is probably SK. He has no interest in killing lynch bait for you.

[podoboq]

P-edit: exactly Podo you've figured it out

Let me spell this out for everybody else. Your claim supposedly makes you obvtown. However "my claim will make me obvtown" doesn't make you obvtown. So you aren't obvtown unless you claim.

And you say that you claiming could lead to you getting lynched.

[podoboq]

He kids, please use the upcoming 48 hours to reread with a new sense of clarity, since I think most of you were reading today through the lens of "podo is scum."

[podoboq]

squirm more podo

I'm already dead, what?

[podoboq]

3. Once you are dead, you are permitted to make a single "Bah" post. Do not influence the game in any way with this post.

Just remembered this. If I'm in violation, I apologize. I thought this referred to after I was announced dead by the mod, and didn't reconsider until now. I'm gonna go ahead and shut up in case I've been breaking this rule. Good luck to the remaining players. Kisses.

[podoboq]

You're not technically dead yet podo.
That rule is for post-flip.

OK, cool, in that case I'm gonna keep talking.

[podoboq]

blah blah blah blah
I'm expecting Podo was mafia, considering his ridiculous focus on SK hunting and basically no actual scumhunting

I scumhunted a lot this game. Did a pretty significant amount today, but did buttloads over the course of the game. Go ahead and read my ISO postflip everybody.

THIS IS A MISREP

[podoboq]

This is absurd levels of bullshit. Your entire "he's vig/SK" is built upon TPP's terrible "vig crumb" findings that are completely wrong.

And my own read. If you aren't SK, you're just normal scum. I just wanted to focus on lynching the SK because then there's no potential for two scum kills tonight.

[podoboq]

And this is also garbage. I said I'm not going to claim some obviously fake flavor that would get me lynched, because I'm not lying about my claim.

Here we go.

You should be claiming your role:
- because there are enough conftown to provide a blanket of protection at this point
- because you are suspicious, and your role claim apparently (somehow) makes you "obvtown"
- because at this phase of the game, claiming is pretty protown
- because more information is basically only better for town at this point

You aren't claiming your role:
- because you want to test shotty's role
- even though they're basically conf town
- and apparently your role and flavor are 1 to 1 in a way that no other role and flavor have been in the game
- because apparently it makes you a lynch target?
- even that it makes you obvtown

[podoboq]

^^^ that post didn't keep my indentation. Just try to read it the best you can.

[podoboq]

VOTE: podo
ok cool
now if you are town let's vig dram and move the fuck on

You aren't listening. Cakez is the vig/SK slot, and is probably SK. He has no interest in killing lynch bait for you.

You're contradicting yourself

I don't think I am. This contradicts with what, exactly?

[podoboq]

Cakez if you don't have an actual claim that will autotown you tomorrow I'll be upset.

Unless I've misunderstood, it's his claim + Cerb's extra info that should autotown him. But Cerb can just die tonight. Then shucks, there's no way to autotown him. Who could have seen that curveball coming?

[podoboq]

Except if I claim something that doesn't fit what I've been saying today I'll get lynched presumably.

Rereading this. It's poorly worded, and I had a lot to say before I got the axe. Go ahead and cross this off my list of complaints.

[podoboq]

If you aren't SK, you're just normal scum.

Cakez is the vig/SK slot, and is probably SK. He has no interest in killing lynch bait for you.

Fixed
no fucking clue what happened there

Pretty damn confident that you're SK. If you aren't, you're still uber scummy. The reason I focused on lynching you, rather than another scummy slot, is because you're my biggest scumread, and also probably SK, which is more important to remove than a random mafia role in my opinion.

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yes I'm going to shoot Cerb muahahahaha
Cerb is probably scum actually if I'm correct what he is so I doubt he'll be shot unless he's vigged/SKed

"But Cerb can make me obvtown. Even though he's scum."

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So what you're saying is...
You have reason to believe Cerb is scum...
But you don't want to tell us about THAT <_<

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And suddenly everything goes quiet.

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All will be revealed tomorrow

There's no thumbs up emoticon, so...

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I'm still baffled by how everyone is convinced there is a SK ftr
I know this will be met by more eye rolling from dram and co but it makes literally no sense why the Vig couldn't be just choosing not to claim to avoid fun things like scum rbers and the scum NK

There's a tracker left, three conftown, and a bodyguard. How dare a vig consider themselves more important of a target than that, especially in a game where the possibility of an SK is dangerous enough that vig should be open with them.

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A Vig with shots left is super important....

A vig that for completely logical reasons and strategic reasons, town needs to treat with caution, is not

more

important than a bodyguard, three conftown, and a tracker. If vig is worried about claiming because they want to avoid getting nightkilled, they are saying "I would rather one of those other roles get nightkilled. Also, I don't care that town needs to know who I am in order to make educated, protown decisions. I just want to survive." That's an antitown mindset, and that player deserves to get lynched the second they claim, because they are most likely to be an SK than not if they're that antitown.

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I'm still baffled by how everyone is convinced there is a SK ftr
I know this will be met by more eye rolling from dram and co but it makes literally no sense why the Vig couldn't be just choosing not to claim to avoid fun things like scum rbers and the scum NK

The vig getting rbed means town investigatives don't have to worry about a rb.
The vig getting NKed means town doesn't have to worry about an SK.

Also, the vig can shoot WRONG. The vig is just as fallible as any of us. A vigilante shooting a towny is a huge risk, and as vig, I put my gun away at this point and let the game play out the way it's supposed to until we screw up in MYLO / LYLO.

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Except there are really gold Vig targets at this point that need to go, like Flubber

That's right, vig the claimed tracker before they get to, you know, use it.

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He claimed some kind of JOAT
Pay attention

With a tracker left. Pay attention.

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Leaving the office now. Probably not gonna be able to check in again before the flip. Play nice, everyone.

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A

claimed

1-shot Tracker
It's not confirmed at all (._. )

You're right. You should totally kill it, then.

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Vote: Cakez

HAH!

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If we have a vig they should shoot themselves <_<

HAHAHA!
But really, just don't shoot anyone, k?

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Also, the Warcraft movie was fun.

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Oh man Cakez, I'm so sorry.

I was just so certain you were scum.

It's OK, I messed up too on you lol

I still don't understand why people thought I was a SK or why people even thought there was a SK qq

That was mostly me, and that was just two terrible reads. I believed TPP was town, and thought her read on you being vig was right. But I thought you were scummy, so must be bluffing vig as sk.

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B-but there was since there was a scum roleblocker and Cerb would have been rbed for sure if he had claimed....

Cerb was right to not claim, but I think mostly from the confirmable nature of his role with how it matches up with your role.

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Plot, you made the game a challenge, and taught me a good lesson about being more careful about people buddying me. You made the game so much better than it would have been with your absence.