Kids TV Show Characters Mafia - Endgame

[Grib]

(apologize for snark)

I think Gamma hiding behind anyone not named Magna is bad bad bad.

[Grib]

Eh. Probably? SK isn't town.

[Grib]

And you're totally not gonna try and push on him later, right.

[Grib]

Define elite.

[Grib]

If you try to push a lynch on me for vca I will replace out

I lol'd.

[Grib]

I don't understand probability or scumhunting

This is how I feel about your list!

This is how I feel about it

Shrug.

There are plenty of flipped town, and scum have to be somewhere.

I don't care one way or the other if you actually replace out over it, so.

[Grib]

blah blah blah

It's not like anyone's gunning after you. Take a chill pill.

[Grib]

The whole point of my votecount posts are to highlight players that are dark spots on wagons with a lot of other players who are either a) confirmed town, or b) reasonably strong reads. Then you ISO them and see if they have a decent chance of being scum.

Not to just point out unconfirmed players on wagons and lynch them blindly.

You could maybe ask Bro why he's considering you to be possible scum instead of whining about VCA.

[Grib]

@Mod

Transcend is voting for Gamma.

Fixed -mod

[Grib]

My role is actually pretty useless, for reasons I will get into later.

[Grib]

If there's scum on your wagon, it's probably Gamma.

[Grib]

hiplop is blatantly not playing the game.

I cannot comprehend why he whines about getting votes when, for all I know, he could be a bot programmed to pop in and make one fluff post every other day or so for all he's accomplished this game.

[Grib]

Anyway.

VOTE: hiplop

At best he's scum, at worst we lose town who has more or less checked out and isn't worth much in terms of gamesolving.

[Grib]

Like I legit can't believe that in the year of our lord 2016 everyone slung mud at DS for over a month and cited his play as being awful and junk and then hiplop can get away with doing nothing. Literally nothing.

He doesn't need to have a scum agenda for me to scumread him. His total lack of interest in helping town is just as awful, if not more so.

[Grib]

So...what. People want you to do things, and you respond with "trying to make me do things makes me want to lurk!" It's Day 4, what /is/ your "clear view of the gamestate," given your scumreads of Waco and DS didn't pan out.

At this point I don't know if I want to policy lynch you or request a force replacement for wasting a slot. If getting voted makes you not want to play, then you need to not play.

[Grib]

and hey maybe if people would stop fucking piling on me it might be easier to get in this game

Like this is honestly the biggest load of nonsense I've seen in a game.

[Grib]

claim claim claim

[Grib]

Please end this Day.

hiplop should have been the Day 1 lynch.

[Grib]

For the record, his demotivation probably stems from the SK sniping his buddies.

[Grib]

lol

I think Gammaslot was the only correct scumread I've had, so that's fun.

hiplop lynch was 10/10, would wagon again.

[Grib]

I'm Blue from Blue's Clues, a Public Kill Cop. I target someone, and if they make a kill, the mod reveals that the person I targeted was caught with a pawprint on them.

Obviously I'm only three-shot, because three clues in every episode. None of my shots have been successful, and I'm not informed if my ability fails, so.

Targtets were Ceph, hiplop, Bro from N2 onwards.

[Grib]

If kdowns or Cephrir is scum, that means

three out of ~four mafia

were pushing on DS at the start of the game.

Last scum is probably Zulfy or Bro. I could see Bro and Gamma both claiming JOAT and hoping one of them is cleared when the other flips. How else is the last scum supposed to survive? [Grib, Transcend, Firebringer, Magna] are all not getting lynched, and Snowstorm is ~probably the designated mislynch.

I'd lynch one and vig the other, after Bro fullclaims.

[Grib]

Grib why do you suppose me as mafia?

If I say VCA, Ceph might spontaneously combust.

[Grib]

I'll probably reread things at some point tho.

[Grib]

If kdowns or Cephrir is scum, that means three out of ~four mafia were pushing on DS at the start of the game.

you are not allowed to clear me on VCA either

And I do already think you're town outside of votes, so. They just make me feel slightly better about it than not.

[Grib]

I will be shocked if scum!Firebringer, as the last living mafia, would trueclaim Rolecop after having his entire team sniped.

Especially after the Vig claim. Firebringer, regardless of alignment, would have to entertain the thought that claiming Rolecophere gets him vigged 75% of the time over other PR claims.

So he probably isn't scum.

[Grib]

Bro and Zulfy dying probably ends the game.

[Grib]

If kdowns or Cephrir is scum, that means

three out of ~four mafia

were pushing on DS at the start of the game.

It's more a "that would be reeeally weird if he were mafia" read.

[Grib]

You are not kdowns.

[Grib]

I have trouble seeing so many mafia pile onto a mislynch like that because it means that once that person flips town, there's a greater chance of a scumlynch the next Day (or a scum getting vigged that Night). Because the mislynch wagon is the first place everyone looks after a flip.

Do mafia pile onto townies? Sure. Usually if they think they can get away with it.

I just don't think it's the case here.

[Grib]

G

Did you read my sequence of quotes about kdowns/snow?

Point me to it?

I see your comment about kdowns' only redeeming quality being his crumb, but can't find the rest.

[Grib]

why did they have to be like 12 different posts

(reading)

[Grib]

Eh, I'll concede that those interactions do look pretty bad.

It's not a slam-dunk townread. Just vaguely uncomfortable, I guess.

[Grib]

Seems like we have a mechanical town victory here, so it's whatever.

Grib
Magna
Transcend
Firebringer
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[Zulfy/Ceph/Snow/Bro]

Lynch Snow, vig Ceph, and Bro BGs Magna. If Snow and Ceph are both town, then Magna has a 50% shot of stopping the Night kill, and we can lynch the last of the four.

[Grib]

Actually Snow is confirmed Vanilla via Firebringer?

Maybe lynch someone else, in case the last mafia has a weird PR or something.

[Grib]

Thanks for the content, Ceph!

I'd expect him to do something non-suicidal.

[Grib]

Magna should claim all his targets and maybe we can clear some people.

Mafia got a shot off last Night, which means whomever Magna targeted is clear.

[Grib]

Or, hm.

Dunno if commuting neutralizes a factional kill.

[Grib]

I need to get back into HxH.

[Grib]

Seems like we have the means to kill the four possible scumslots, and I'm not picky about the order.

[Grib]

VOTE: Ceph

[Grib]

Are you town, Transcend?

Don't lie to me.

[Grib]

Cool.

gg scumteam

[Grib]

Is that a different kill flavor?

[Grib]

Probably Strongman or something.

Given that Firebringer, regardless of alignment, is a Rolecop, the last scum is probably Bro.

[Grib]

VOTE: Bro

Can vig Firebringer if game continues.

The end.

[Grib]

I was vanilla yesterDay. Pretty sure I mentioned that in my claim.

[Grib]

Zulfy commuted, so nothing was bypassed.

I just think it's a Strongman because the flavor changed from 'disappeared' to 'smashed in the face.'

[Grib]

What can counter a Commuterizer? Anything?

[Grib]

Killing them.

Town might not have another protective role.

[Grib]

K me and z are clear. We will be taking our time with this decision.

Have fun.

[Grib]

Guess they don't need to counter it if the Commuterizer can't be protected.

[Grib]

That is also an option.

[Grib]

Likely.

[Grib]

This should be fun.

[Grib]

Honestly, Bro should be lynched for counterclaiming scum but doing nothing to push that dichotomy.

I stand by the theory that he hoped one of him/Gamma would come out clear, but delayed actually pushing Gamma while he could.

[Grib]

Like.

Bro voted for Gamma,

counterclaimed him

,

moved his vote off of Gamma

, and then it's like everyone collectively forgot about it.

[Grib]

If Bro is a town JOAT and dies in the Night, Gamma is pretty much guaranteed a win.

Bro doesn't want this to happen.

But Bro didn't actively try to kill Gamma after the CC because he wanted them both to live as long as possible.

Anyone besides Bro disagree?

[Grib]

I got no result, I guess magna commuted me over zulfy.

What.

He better not have.

[Grib]

Not gonna take Firebringer's word for it when he's in the suspect pool.

[Grib]

Honestly tho, claiming Rolecop as scum is ???

Since that usually guarantees you will be lynched/vigged.

[Grib]

So yeah, Firebringer or Bro ends the game.

[Grib]

Let's hear it then.

[Grib]

There's no viable way to test Bro's message ability on me, because it requires us to 1) let him live when he's in the suspect pool, and 2) take his word on whether or not his ability even worked.

It's Day 6. He's had plenty of time to use his shots.

We will be killing Firebringer and Bro to end the game in a town victory. If Transcend has enough doubts about me to consider killing me over the other two, then that will be entirely on me for managing to somehow thoroughly trash all of the towncred I've had for literally the entire game. I had that towncred (mostly effortlessly, somehow) because I am town.

I will be incredibly annoyed at myself if I get lynched/vigged for the loss over a claimed Rolecop or a JOAT who played his role like scum.

If Transcend is actually a Serial Killer, then kudos for having better reads than everyone else; the victory is well deserved.

If Magna went rogue and didn't target scum!Zulfy, then that will be a disappointing loss. Life goes on.

That's all I really have to say for toDay. In no universe should the endgame outcome be placed in Bro's hands.

[Grib]

Have fun.

[Grib]

Grib please explain 3998

Lying through my teeth.

Trying to get Magna townfirmed, and keep Gamma alive so he'd have to commit to a townread, scumread, or no read if he hid with someone else.

The usual.

[Grib]

So convince him.

[Grib]

If Firebringer is town, then I'll be kind of annoyed that I'm apparently the only town PR who isn't informed when my ability fails.

[Grib]

It should be mechanically impossible for me to be Ascetic, since Magna targeted me.

[Grib]

Magna forced me to Commute Night 2, and there was a missing mafia kill. Either I am exactly mafia

and

I was assigned to make the kill, or I am town and was targeted by the mafia.

That's really the only point against me, and even then it's only a 50% shot of me being mafia at best. That number rapidly dwindles when you take into account my play throughout the game.

Firebringer having no result on me is either a lie (which could come from either alignment for him, unfortunately), or he was blocked. Throughout the entire game, no one else has claimed to have been blocked, and even after Transcend claimed he wasn't blocked (though that could be because the mafia knew he would be targeting town, so eh).

[Grib]

Bro: why didn't you use your message ability earlier at any point?

You said this:

Actually wait there might actually have been a purpose/reason for me to have my bullshit message ability

other than to tell the Friendly Neighborizer what my role is

.

And it has me back to leaning Grib.

But obviously that didn't happen, since now you want to use it on me, now that I am confirmed not Ascetic.

[Grib]

(Easiest answer to that is "Bro didn't want to claim to MJ in a message because he is scum and does not have the ability he claimed.")

[Grib]

Oh right, Neighborhood was a thing.

[Grib]

They should have had you send them a message anyways.

Oh well.

[Grib]

Good thing I'm going to outlive you.

[Grib]

Because it's him or Firebringer.

[Grib]

Nah, I'm town.

Also pretty sure that if the last scum is a PR, they can ability + faction kill at Night. Otherwise things are dumb.

[Grib]

Like if there's only one mafia left, you shouldn't cripple them further by saying "by the way, you basically can't use your PR anymore, good luck."

[Grib]

Hold on, I'm gonna look at something.

Hopefully before Eleven notices there was a hammer.

[Grib]

Ohhh.

Firebringer only targeted people who claimed Vanilla

beforehand

. Which means he could totally be lying about his role; it's only really provable if he targeted people who hadn't claimed.

If Bro is town, then Firebringer is probably just an Odd-Night Roleblocker.

[Grib]

camntsuki claimed Day 1.

And the only way you could not have a result on me is if you're lying, or someone else blocked you.

[Grib]

You it is then.

[Grib]

I actually wouldn't be all that pissed with an SK win.

He certainly deserves it.

[Grib]

Anyway, yeah, if Bro is town, then Firebringer is scum.

He didn't have to make up information for his claimed ability -- he checked stuff that was already publicly claimed.

Honestly, I wouldn't believe Firebringer is scum if it weren't for the fact that there's no better candidate. Being a scum Roleblocker and the last surviving member of your team and claiming Rolecop is ???????????????? a new level of ballsy.

fake edit: if it's Zulfy, I'm dunking Magna's head in a toilet.

[Grib]

It'd be really awkward if the entire scumteam is dead and we're dealing with a Neutral, but.

Eh.

There's only so much you can do.

[Grib]

Actually, this scumteam is waaay too weak to be pitted against a Commutizer AND a Vig/SK.

So there's probably a Roleblocker left.

Zulfy is Vanilla, which already makes them unlikely to be scum; on top of that we're assuming Magna commuterized them.

Transcend is either SK or town, but not mafia.

I'm town's shitty cop variant.

So killing Bro and Firebringer likely wins us the game.

[Grib]

Oh, right, Magna targeted Zulfy, not you.

There's not a big chance Magna fucked us over and targeted someone else. Because regardless of his reads, the plan leaves us with a confirmed town if there's a mafia kill.

Which there was.

[Grib]

Bro used his claimed Bodyguard shot, and we have no other protective roles.

For Magna, town's only confirmed protective role, to yolo his target when he was certainly going to die would really screw us over.

Not like mafia were gonna keep him alive to mislynch when his ability was so dangerous for them.

[Grib]

Ok then it is set - Vig Snowstorm, Bodyguard Transcend, Commute Zulfy

VOTE: Ceph

I refuse to believe Magna would not at least /hint/ at changing the plan.

[Grib]

Nah, I'm town.

Also pretty sure that if the last scum is a PR, they can ability + faction kill at Night. Otherwise things are dumb.

No they probably can't.

That's stupid.

[Grib]

I am Blue from Blue's Clues.

I'm trying to figure out the murder mystery of "who did it?" I want to figure it out so I can keep myself and my friends safe. I can assist in figuring out who the bad guys are via my three clues; the only difference is that there's a lot more at stake since people are actually dying.

And then my claim cannot be paraphrased in any more detail than I already made it.

[Grib]

Thanks for the game Eleven!

Transcend has all my love. All of it.

(Thanks for not shooting me.)

[Grib]

Yeahhh, my only real accomplishment this game was "be super town and come under almost 0 suspicion for most of the game."

Reads sucked and I did get a bit bitchy at times. Hopefully there are no hard feelings.