Mini Normal 1827 - No Flavor Mafia (Game Over)

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I still think going for auto win was the smartest idea.

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If Vedith flips scum lynch Titus in my name.

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Bleh

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Remember when VCA meant a damn thing?

Me neither!

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Still think going for autowin right here right now is the best solution to today's vote

/brokenrecord

If I have to lynch in V and N I'd vote V. But I really don't wanna be wrong lol.

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i assume you're just tuning out vedith's posts because he's been tunneling me and naomi for the past 20 or so pages.

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Who knows dude he's literally just trolling the thread and prodging simultaneously.

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well obviously you don't wanna be wrong period, but taking a chomp out of the bigger pool is best imo.

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yeah

nay's not scum

kinda wanna be alive to lynch final scum but w/e

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i believe that scum have some stacked ass prs because i fail to see any of the prs as scum.

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i'd hammer but

1. i think blackstar wanted to talk to vedith
2. he's v/la and it's a dick move
3. there is STILL a chance for absolute autowin
4.

i'm scum with vedith and i'm marginally fucked if he gets lynched

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and then suddenly i didn't give a fuck

VOTE: V

if naomi is scum it's on me especially since barring towntells naomi has made, she should be more of a scumspect given we're both investigatives

flip titus, then flip io if wrong.

toodles.

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(i still sorta wish that you went for autowin but thinking about it this was probably not too bad of an idea)

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Oh wait since I'm the probable night kill tonight I request that the Neapolitan would go on

Titus

tonight. Flip Io then Rach if she turns up VT.

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Also I will enjoy this moment of having more posts than Creature! I assume it's going to be very short-lived.

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Well you'll be alive and I'll be in the dead PT sucking up to Expedience on how he was right about Vedith and I was wrong.

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The moment Naomi mentioned a redirector I immediately dropped any doubt on the slot.

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This game is just one giant mindfuck honestly. The whole N1 shenanigans, the whole stacked pr nonsense etc. I guess scum just killed massive as well then....

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Because if there's a 6th PR that's protective/blocking then Dunnstral and his setup reviewers were drunk when they did this. LMFAO.

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Imagine if BlackStar shot mafia d1, we lynched mafia d1 and then you vigged the final mafia n1. That would own so much lmao.

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Not really sure where I went wrong with xyzzy. It all added up honestly.

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Anyways I need to leave, but some final thoughts.

BlackStar is town. Do not ever lynch him. This is pretty much a given.

I heavily believe that this was not a scripted bus between Vedith/Naomi even though my role heavily suggests that any other investigative claim would be scum.

I strongly believe that Creature would not use his own mafia kill and claim it as a vig shot. That sounds extremely risky and not something I'd see Creature doing.

Titus will be getting checked tonight. Either she's in autoloss or she will be clear along with BlackStar and very weakly, Creature.

Again, I think Io needs to be lynched first.

In the event Io flips town and....

Creature and Rach are direct cc's- Lynch Rach.

Nay gets non VT on Rach- Lynch Rach here as well.

Nay gets VT on Rach - Have fun with Naomi vs. Creature. I will not decide that one for you.

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LOL she would get VT on me

Being truthful I think the game is going to end tomorrow as I can't see any of {Creature, Naomi, Rach} as scum.

PEDIT: SNIPED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Okay.

Lynch the fuck out of me.

This is not concedence on my behalf, but i do think I'm in deep shit and need to be eliminated so that if I'm in Mylo, i don't get lynched faster than Blackstar finishes. So flip me then scum hunt your hardest on Mylo. I'd stay away from rach and creature.

There's usually one useless pr and it's me because

the final mafia role is a ninja

Like i said im sure none of you will believe me but it's the honest truth and God knows how many shots the ninja has. So if i survive today i might be useless tonight assuming the game doesn't end.

You all did good getting light and Vedith so i think you can get the final scum. Look into io and Titus.

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Seraphim was definitely town

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I don't think creature would call his own mafia kill a vig kill, otherwise that would be poty.

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Hammer it, i have nothing else to say. Gun to head it's Titus.

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Scum will no kill.

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Why did you assume I'd flip town btw?

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Might be io now but idk.

In my name do not lynch creature or RachMarie.

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Might be io now but idk.

In my name do not lynch creature or RachMarie.

Why would you rather have Black lynched?
Black's the vig that shot scum.

Also there is the fact that if there was a Mafia Ninja the scum kill can't possibly fail as Ninja bypasses protectives, watchers, and roleblockers.
Which basically means Creature is lying if you are telling the truth.

Black will be the night kill

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No one visited nay n2. Not kts not any mafia.

It might be a strongman, idk.

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No one visited nay the past 2 nights and no one visited bs n1.we're done here.

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Io you need to flip me. It's for the good of the town. I'm serious.

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Referring to thisgame which just finished.

;-;

That loss tho. Absolutely heartbreaking.

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Also io, I'm not trolling. I'm genuinely getting you guys to lynch me so I'm not an easy lynch and loss tomorrow.

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I'm trying to decide if your transition is legit or not.

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Imagine, 6 prs. Lol.

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Only thing that worries about Creature and this is recent, but this doesn't worry me too much is that he instantly voted me before I announced I didn't have a game-winning result. Because for all he knew, I might have caught the final mafia and made it autowin. I think he was just extremely suspicious of me but it's just food for thought.

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agree

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I buy Io's townslip. I don't think she'd feign ignorance from her Ninja Role PM.

Flip me but I'm making my vote that you should make tomorrow.

VOTE: Titus

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your spoiler of me is inside creature's spoiler

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nvm it isn't.

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I'd bet my money that Creature got BG'd here honestly. He was implied JOAT or something even though he's just a 1-shot vig. I don't know who KTS bg'd n1, BlackStar would make the most sense, but he did not visit BlackStar. There's no roleblocker either (unless it's a scum joat with ninja,rb, some other power). I'm guessing he just skipped an action.

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Actually I kinda suggested it as a joke but Scum JOAT makes sense. Given we have 2 vigs, 2 investigatives and a protective that would inevitably go on one of them. Maybe there's a role cop, ninja, something hybrid. 2 goons and a ninja (most like x-shot) doesn't make much sense unless Dunn wants to hand town a free win lmfao.

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Role cop might've gone on KTS or roleblocker might've blocked KTS. Or I'm overanalyzing this and he just skipped a night action n1. IDK.

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Anyways bs'd reads #2

{Naomi, KTS}
{BlackStar}
{Massive, Io, Creature, Skelda}
{Jord, Pista}
{Light}
{Vedith, xyzzy}

I really need to stop doubting myself from what I get at the beginning of the game, but lately, my town play has only gotten better as the game has progressed and my initial foses were garbage.

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I'm openly inviting you to lynch me. I can't be alive in MYLO.

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Nah, you're my best SR. Why aren't you lynching me if you think I'm scum? After all, I'm presenting the opportunity right in front of you.

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But in the event I'm wrong, and you are town, you need to flip me post haste.

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BS'd reads idk #6??

{BlackStar}
{Creature, Rach}
{Io}
gap
{Titus}

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K I have work the next couple of days, so I'm not gonna be extremely helpful. I expect to get lynched which is fine, I think it's beneficial and I'm not too sure if my power will be useful anymore. Titus the next day.

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It's not reverse psychology. I literally need to die or I will be lynched so fast in MYLO. You need to make good use of the MYLO tomorrow which is why you can blow the mislynch on me.

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And also my role is useless since there's a ninja. So no harm done, really.

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Bro.

I need to die.

This is not wifom or reverse psychology.

I need death.

In the form of a lynch.

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Just keep the lynch on me, I think my reads are really good as I had 2 scum in the bottom two tiers of my initial reads lists. Titus is probably last scum and I trust you to lynch her for me on MYLO.

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*L-1

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I fail to see a reason why one more vote on Titus doesn't end the game but i still think i should be flipped first.

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For me this reads, if this lynch is right, then town will win the game.

If it's wrong, prepare to be speed wagoned in 4way.

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Scum vig is bastard right?

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Whoa this exploded

There have been 3 nights so i assume scum joat unless they saved a few powers is out of powers.

If it's just a ninja then they have at most one shot left. 2 shot ninja sounds fair.

I'm not sure why a slot that isn't me is L-1'd if you all think I'm scum. If I'm flipped i don't think it will do any harm whatsoever and i trust you guys to make the right decision with me flipped. I can't trust you to make the right decision with me alive.

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I expect Blackstar to die when i flip because he's the only confirmed 100% town. Mafia vigilante is bastard and i think since it's a normal game, it clears him.

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3 votes Titus (me io bs)

That's it

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That.

Was.

Hammer.

Did we win lol

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I think the games over but that definitely was hammer lol

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Giving RachMarie hm in my records if she just derphammered a win.

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4 in 6 is majority m'dear

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Maybe

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Anyways speaking of records, i have lots of Ls on them and I really don't think I'm a bad player. This game should be a W assuming i did not make a colossal mistake.

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I just really don't want another fucking L.

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It's probably over. Holy shit i need to sleep so badly but i wanna see the flip.

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Yeah lack of response means we probably cut the last scum. Still probably should've tanked me first as there would've been no repercussions.

Pedit: o

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If Transcend is town, we are fucked.

Bye guess you really didn't want to hear from me.

If you're not trolling twilight, this is why i needed to be flipped first.

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Ninja is usually x shot though so they may or may not be out of shots.

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Like if it was a full on ninja, I'd have no utility whatsoever.

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Vedith didn't try in that cc at all. He might have just sac lynched himself so that the ninja could take the cake.

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If massive was the n1 kill then i doubt they'd ninja for that one.

I can't tell what happened on n2 but it was not Naomi. Leaning Blackstar. They may have saved the ninja and have Vedith lead that one.

Night 3 by now Vedith is dead. Ninja kills Naomi.

It's either 1-shot or 2-shot ninja. Or a scum joat. If 2sn i think I'm gonna be useless tonight.

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Assuming, there is even a tonight. This might be twilight trolling.

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I think i can fall asleep and wake up to a w. I suggested the idea of lynching Titus and Vedith literally asks to be lynched on day 3. Might have been 1. Sacking himself to ensure his partner doesn't due and he eats autoloss 2. Eliminating himself from the game and letting ninja take the cake.

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This is why you should have lynched me anyways, but whatever I'm gonna get myself out of the hole I'm in and pull out a W for the T.

Also i was almost positive going into this day I'd be voting io.

So hats to creature or RachMarie who's about to get a well deserved scum win.

This Mylo is suicide for me as scum because Blackstar said he was gonna lynch me no matter what if Titus flipped town. Io was coming across me being town.

I have work the next 5 days. Please don't speed lynch me. I told you to lynch me yesterday.

No one visited Blackstar.

I figured scum would kill him and either 1.use their ninja power 2.win an easy direct cc with me. But they decided to take this route instead.

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All i ask is don't speed lynch me. I got stuck with a 7 day work week and i won't be super attentive.

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I appreciate you not insta voting me B. Anyways. Off to work. Will respond on lunch break.

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I did as well. I will do it again.

Toodles for real now.

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I also asked for a speed night when nay died because i thought i was gonna die and i wanted to see the dead pt really badly lol.

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BYE

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I do not think we should nl but I'm not opposed to it.

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welp nothing changed while I was at work. I'm gonna attempt to gain some kind of semblance of this game on Monday, because two people I thought were lock town yield one mafia.

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1. They kill you with ninja power
2. They kill you and direct cc me
3. They kill outside you probably lynch me
4. Endless cycle of no kills

I dunno which one it will be, but none of them appease me too much.

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2 and 3 aren't necessarily terrible tho. Just make me uneasy.

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VOTE: No one.

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Ask for a speed night or i shit in your mouth lol

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Not really but please don't prolong this night

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I am insanely busy and cannot find the time to read this game until Monday. Bear with me.

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Okay this game has been on my mind quite a bit so I will take time to say this.

Gun to my head I think that the last scum is

Creature

.

I am nowhere near close to certain about this, because as I said both of you were lock town for me and I was coming into this day voting Io.

I think after careful thinking, Vig/Dayvig/BG/Watcher/Neap in a 13 sounds a bit too stacked. Not too sure if both SCUM and VIG targeted massive.

Also, C didn't vote Titus, but he didn't exactly do anything to stop the speed wagon that occurred on her when he was certain enough to vote me before I even gave a report.

The fact that he said that I was gonna claim there was a ninja is somewhat damning.

However, none of our prs have been extremely powerful so it could be a bunch of nerfed prs which means Rach is scum.

It's plausible for her to be scum since she did quickhammer Titus which is quite easily a move that any scum could make to easily win the game.

I did say that BlackStar's vote put her at L-1.

I need to read ISOs and collect quotes and decide who is more genuine, but that is not something I'm even close to in the mood to doing right now.

To defend myself since I believe I'm going to be lynched and it will lose the game for T, this mylo is absolute suicide for me. As I said, BlackStar said that he was gonna lynch me if Titus flipped town, which, happened.

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What I'm saying is that BlackStar is to this game as Zachstralkita is to this game http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=66955

Long story short, Bins was tr'd by Zach (the IC since d1) all game. Zach was left alive til final 4 MYLO. Zach lynched dave (Bins' cc) when RC suggested heavily against it.

You have been confirmed town since D1 BlackStar, you really should not be alive unless someone wants you alive.

Someone killed an unclear over you because they don't think you're gonna hammer them.

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So if I had hammer in Creature and RachMarie right now, right now I'd probably hammer Creature, but this is having not reread the game at all and going off of muscle memory. I need to read interactions/associations/progression of the game.

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Spoiler: Creature / massive / Vedith d1

DISCLAIMER: I am being lazy as f*** and using the ctrl+F function. But I'm comparing his tunnel on massive vs. his tunnel on Vedith and his vig shot.

Creature says he was going to "shoot Vedith n1 but changed to massive"

Before he posted for the first time, his tunnel on massive was based on not being there at all. Then after massive posts, he only has him on lists, nothing like a case or anything.

1. xyzzy
2. Transcend

3. light_ganski
4. massive
5. Seraphim
6. Killthestory

7. BlackStar
8. Creature

9. Skelda
10. Vedith

11. Blitzkrieg
12. Io
13. Naomi-Tan

1. xyzzy
2. Transcend

3. light_ganski - Null
4. massive - Null
5. Seraphim - Null
6. Killthestory - Scummy

7. BlackStar
8. Creature

9. Skelda - Scummy
10. Vedith - Scummy

11. Blitzkrieg
12. Io
13. Naomi-Tan

light_ganski
massive
Killthestory
Skelda
Vedith
Io

Io
Seraphim
Skelda
massive
Vedith

Currently seeing these as scum candidates.

xyzzy
massive
Seraphim
Killthestory
Skelda
Vedith

Hopefully these don't live to LyLo (unless they're somewhat confirmed).

This is literally every post that Creature said that mentioned massive's name once he posted. Absolutely. Nothing.

Now here's his tunnel on Vedith. It's a lot heavier. It has (decent) reasoning to it

UNVOTE:

Skelda/pistachi0n/massive

Believe me or not, I am scum reading all of them already.

If not them, then Vedith

.

Fun fact, this post includes 3 lynchbaits and then he puts Vedith as a "if they're not scum" option.

light_ganski
massive
Vedith
pistachi0n

Would easily wagon any of these

I can at least make a proper case against light_ganski and Vedith, aka they're hiding in the shadow.

He's prob distancing Vedith here.

Town!Vedith wouldn't take so long to start posting content and then proceed to tunnel someone.

I suspect distancing in post 140, probably Vedith.

However then he begins to build a case on Vedith.

VOTE: Vedith

It looks like light and Vedith were distancing.

Followed by a vote, with decent reasoning.

I really want to lynch Vedith, Seraphim is obvtowning, but I am afraid that Blitzkrieg won't listen to us until her scumreads are lynched.

More pushing on Vedith.

Vedith posting elsewhere.

Noted

Even more pushing on Vedith.

Oh right, why are we townreading Vedith again?

It's really hard for me to believe that out of all 10 players he can vig, he selects massive. Over say, Vedith. Or hell, even myself/KTS as indicated here.

Before this locks, KTS + Transcend looks like a good scum team pair.

Leaning heavily towards Creature now. And I think he bussed both his partners d1. But he made sure one of them didn't get lynched because xyzzy gained momentum and he hopped on her momentum after having her crossed off as scum for a decent portion of the game. Most likely a vanity tunnel.

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Spoiler: But wait! There's more!

Read these sequence of quotes and imagine Creature being a town vigilante that had the intent of shooting Vedith the previous night.

Probably between Skelda, Vedith and Blitzkrieg

Aiite.

Seraphim (3): Blitzkrieg, Vedith, xyzzy

Maybe there's one scum there.

One scum there, one scum there...

Going with this:

VOTE: Skelda

Nah just kidding. Let's lynch Skelda. From there he keeps his vote on Skelda for a VERY long time.

Hi I'm not dead

Reads:

{Naomi, Transcend}
{

Xyzzy

}
{KTS}
{Skelda,

massive

, Io}
{blackstar}
{Vedith, creature}

Still gotta ISO the new people

@Mod - I though I'd changed my vote to vedith in 495

No mention of Seraphim and pistachi0n.

Pushing on Sera/Pista, excluding Vedith lol.

Maybe it's just Skelda and Vedith.

Maybe... but I'm gonna vote the person I didn't think about vigging lol....

Also, if Vedith flips scum, Seraphim is pretty much town as I doubt he would bus all his buddies early in the game to be survivalistic.

Here's this scenario that's neat if Vedith flips scum, but nahhh gonna keep voting Skelda!

I want to flip Vedith, he'll give us a bunch of info even if he flips town.

LETS FLIP VEDITH!!! (no vote to follow)

I want to flip Vedith, he'll give us a bunch of info even if he flips town.

okay

VOTE: Vedith

KTS votes Vedith! Does Creature vote Vedith with him?

PoE:
Vedith
Seraphim
Killthestory
Blitzkrieg
Skelda

ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!

I'd start PoEing with Skelda.

LETS POE SKELDA!!!! NOT VEDITH!!!

Okay, guess

Vedith

and KTS are

town

.

VOTE: Skelda

I'm obviously not going to be able to lynch Kill today so moving to plan 2. Skelda at least wouldn't be a bad shoot for Black.

Momentum on Skelda rises, and Creature has not moved his vote since the beginning of day.

PoE:

Vedith

Seraphim

Killthestory

Blitzkrieg
Skelda

Transcend
Naomi-Tan

Also, idk why Skelda wouldn't be okay with us PoEing him.

And Vedith is now crossed out from the list... even though I was thinking about vigging him...

Vote Count 1.7

light_ganski (5): Io, Seraphim, Creature, Transcend, Blitzkrieg
Creature (2): xyzzy, light_ganski
Vedith (2): BlackStar, Naomi-Tan
BlackStar (1): Vedith
xyzzy (1): massive
killthestory (1): Skelda
Seraphim (1): killthestory

Not Voting (0):

With 13 votes it takes 7 to lynch

Day ends in (expired on 2016-09-09 11:30:00)

Sorry I cant get it color coded it keeps breaking the tags when I do that uggh.

Vote count before the awesome shot by Black. Notice that not only did light tunnel on creature he is voting with the same townie he was setting up for a mislynch. Plus look where creature's vote is on the scum. Probably one of the vanity wagons though one of the scum of two may be on his buddy's wagon ready to jump off if it gets to L-1. They did not count on the day vig shot though so they must be scrambling by now.

[area=Vote Count 1.13 xyzzy (7): Io, Transcend, Creature, Seraphim, massive, BlackStar, Killthestory
Seraphim (3): Blitzkrieg, Vedith, xyzzy
Blitzkrieg (1): Naomi-Tan

Not Voting (1): Skelda[/area]

A lynch has been achieved

I definitely could get behind a skelda vote for sure Was first on KTS and not on Light and then not voting. KTS was not under much pressure and is on the xyz wagon, could be scum buddy. Or Io or Trans. But with day talk it may have had both off that wagon knowing they already sowed the seeds with their making it like light was the buddy.

VOTE: Skelda

And more momentum on Skelda arises.

Rach is town.

Hey Rach, you're voting my scapegoat lynch. You're town.

Townreads of my head: BlackStar, Naomi, RachMarie, Io, Blitzkrieg.

Who's left?

Out of nowhere Vedith goes back in to the scum pool.

KTS, Skelda, Transcend, Vedith

Who's scum here?

^^

VOTE: Skelda

Incase I didn't.

But still gonna make sure Skelda eats rope LOL!!!

I can buy him thinking it was bluff b/c I thought the same thing honestly.

VOTE: Blitzkrieg

This vote might be vain but idc I'm not voting an empty slot so this is where my vote will be for a while.

Skelda slot replaces out, so Skelda wagon dissipates. No scapegoat lynch for Creature!

yeah well I understand why he wants to save his shot with only 2 of them

So moving along

going to give the replacement a chance to speak Moving to scumspect 2

VOTE: KTS

Again, more switches off of Skelda.

VOTE: KTS

Well damn, can't get Skelda lynched. Guess I'm gonna have to vote V--- wait nvm let's kill KTS!!!

The fake dayvig wasn't the real reaction test. I was actually town reading KTS from way back here when eh was catching up on the game.

VOTE: Light

I'm leaving my vote here, going to eat, and when I get back, I expect Light to be dead.

I WENT B ACK TO CHECK TO THE REPLIES NAD LITHG IS ALREADY DEAD???

MY DREAM COME TRUE. A PERSON DIES BEFORE I EVEN SAY FOR THEM TO DIE

ha

I just don't think that scum would've faked that. It felt genuine to me. And he's said throughout the agen that he doesn't feel invested in it so it makes sense why he didn't seem to care much when he got "shot". I don't see any hidden agenda in his posts and he just looks like a townie who doesn't feel like doing much. The point of the fake shot was to look at the reactions of everyone else and see who would act opportunistically after it. Rachmarie stands out to me the most. We really should've lynched this slot ages ago. Sorry for using you to scum hunt, KTS.

VOTE: rachmarie

BlackStar makes a vote on RachMarie. Guess what fucking happens next.

Bah I'll see where this goes.

VOTE: RachMarie

You guessed it! Another vote from Creature that isn't on Vedith! Let's bring a blast from the past shall we?

Rach is town.

LOL LOL LOL

Skelda is an empty slot, Vedith isn't.

I am going to follow my heart.

VOTE: Vedith

So in this sequence he finally votes Vedith after partaking in lynches on 3 other people that weren't the person he had intentions on vigging.

uggh



VOTE: Vedith

but when skelda gets his replacement, don't let him off the hook

Momentum on Vedith rises! Oh crap what do I do what do I do!

VOTE: Expedience

I'm inclined to agree with BlackStar. Creature and Expedience definitely share an alignment.

Ooo an out.

VOTE: Expedience

Whew.

And yeah that's pretty much enough. 43 posts later after voting Vedith he hops on the Skelda slot again which he started out voting which inevitably gets lynched at end of day.

VOTE: Creature

I'm not even sure if I need to read Rach/predecessors' ISO's. This is clear cut distancing.

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Also, my N1 shot would be Vedith, but then one day before the deadline I changed to massive.

This is the quote in question btw.

Vigging massive when he had a case on Vedith that supported as scum with FLIPPED MAFIA and absolutely nothing on massive does not look accurate at all.

But the damning thing is Creature not voting Vedith d2 for very long AT ALL and getting the Skelda/Expedience slot lynched like a walk in the park.

Please read both spoilers above if you want more meat to this.

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I guess I wasn't as tired as I thought I was. Today was exhausting a'f at work but I guess I really got in to this game more than I thought I would.

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Vote Count 2.8

Expedience (6): Blitzkrieg, Transcend, Killthestory, BlackStar, Rachmarie, Io
Transcend (2): Vedith, Creature
Killthestory (2) Expedience, Naomi-Tan


Not Voting (0):

A lynch has been achieved

Oh wow and look at where his vote is parked at the end of day. WITH THE PERSON HE WAS CONTEMPLATING VIGGING.

L

O

L

[Transcend]

Fun fact: There's been 5 nights of this game, but I've only watched 2 people throughout the course of the entire game

[Transcend]

light/Vedith interaction was obvious, I don't know how Transcend saw Vedith as town (could've vigged him).

I had Vedith as scum for quite a while for that reason, but this was before I flipped in mhsmith's mini. I used meta against my better judgment and I was wrong lol.

[Transcend]

I was going to shoot Vedith N1, but I was afraid he was PR and I thought Skelda could've posted more, so I shoot massive who was least likely PR and I expected a scum in the xyzzy wagon.

And how come you didn't specify this until now?

Also I only watched Naomi-Tan and BlackStar because they were the targets I expected mafia to hit each night lol.

[Transcend]

Except for Night 3, I was fairly sure I was gonna die. But then Mr. Ninja said otherwise.

[Transcend]

I was going to shoot Vedith N1, but I was afraid he was PR and I thought Skelda could've posted more, so I shoot massive who was least likely PR and I expected a scum in the xyzzy wagon.

I also wanted to shoot someone N1 so scum could think they were dealing with a full vig.

Meh. I just dunno if I buy that you "thought Vedith was pr". Can you perhaps quote some posts that made you think he might have been PR?

[Transcend]

So you say that light/vedith interaction was obvious. Yet you didn't vig Vedith or even really attempt to lynch Vedith until d3 when he was in a direct cc with obvtown mcobvtownerson, Naomi-Tan. Are you sure their interaction made them obvious scum together?

[Transcend]

Probably between Skelda, Vedith and Blitzkrieg

Seraphim (3): Blitzkrieg, Vedith, xyzzy

Maybe there's one scum there.

Maybe it's just Skelda and Vedith.

Also, if Vedith flips scum, Seraphim is pretty much town as I doubt he would bus all his buddies early in the game to be survivalistic.

I want to flip Vedith, he'll give us a bunch of info even if he flips town.

PoE:
Vedith
Seraphim
Killthestory
Blitzkrieg
Skelda

These quotes suggest that you still FOSed him and you were willing to lynch him.

PEDIT: Nah you misinterpreted what I said. I used my watch all 5 nights, I'm not x-shot or y-night. I've just used the action on 2 slots throughoutthe course of 5 nights. N1 BS N2 Nay N3 Nay N4 BS N5 BS.

[Transcend]

Like you thinking that Vedith was a pr and not vigging him yet still being open to lynching him in 1168 looks incredibly weird.

[Transcend]

Yes you had him as town but it wasn't at the beginning of the day. It was when he was starting to gain towncred from the likes of people like me and BS. You said that he was possibly PR and you didn't vig him N1. But you were interested in lynching him at the start of D2.

[Transcend]

Then if you sussed him, but thought he might have been PR, why didn't you run him up in votes to see what he claimed? Did your case D1 about light interactions mean diddlysquat?

[Transcend]

THEN WHY DIDNT YOU VOTE HIM THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THE ENTIRE DAY!?!?!??!

AND BETTER YET, WHY DID YOU ACQUIESCE TO SEVERAL VANITY WAGONS THROUGHUOT THE COURSE OF THE ENTIRE GAME?

you litearlly said you had kts and rach as town then when they were getting lynched, you helped with that. when people voted vedith, you refused to vote with them. as said in my case.

[Transcend]

Spoiler: Vedith

I want to flip Vedith, he'll give us a bunch of info even if he flips town.

I want to flip Vedith, he'll give us a bunch of info even if he flips town.

okay

VOTE: Vedith

I am going to follow my heart.

VOTE: Vedith

And you don't vote Vedith for a solid 470-ish posts when you had the chance right there.

VOTE: Expedience

And then you escape that REALLY quickly.

Spoiler: KTS

Okay, guess Vedith and

KTS

are

town

.

Okay but then the moment KTS gets a vote...

yeah well I understand why he wants to save his shot with only 2 of them

So moving along

going to give the replacement a chance to speak Moving to scumspect 2

VOTE: KTS

Again, more switches off of Skelda.

VOTE: KTS

You're right there for it.

Spoiler: Rach

Rach is town.

But then BlackStar votes Rach

The fake dayvig wasn't the real reaction test. I was actually town reading KTS from way back here when eh was catching up on the game.

VOTE: Light

I'm leaving my vote here, going to eat, and when I get back, I expect Light to be dead.

I WENT B ACK TO CHECK TO THE REPLIES NAD LITHG IS ALREADY DEAD???

MY DREAM COME TRUE. A PERSON DIES BEFORE I EVEN SAY FOR THEM TO DIE

ha

I just don't think that scum would've faked that. It felt genuine to me. And he's said throughout the agen that he doesn't feel invested in it so it makes sense why he didn't seem to care much when he got "shot". I don't see any hidden agenda in his posts and he just looks like a townie who doesn't feel like doing much. The point of the fake shot was to look at the reactions of everyone else and see who would act opportunistically after it. Rachmarie stands out to me the most. We really should've lynched this slot ages ago. Sorry for using you to scum hunt, KTS.

VOTE: rachmarie

And then...

Bah I'll see where this goes.

VOTE: RachMarie

And you're right behind it.

[Transcend]

Okay but then the moment KTS gets a vote...

How many posts after that?

2.

[Transcend]

And sure, you had KTS back in your scumpool, but try explaining why the fuck you voted RachMarie when she was consistent town for you before you voted the person you contemplated day vigging and you had a solid case on?

[Transcend]

DAY VIGGING LMFAO

*vigging

[Transcend]

303. So yes, that's quite a gap.

You're still question dodging.

[Transcend]

From the beginning of yesterday, I came to the conclusion that it was probably creature or rachmarie. I wanted the no lynch so that one of them would get nked, and the final 3 would be me, transcend and the final scum. I doubted that transcend would bring me to the end if he was scum because I kept saying that I wanted to lynch him so whoever else was still alive would be the last scum. Sucks that things didn't work out. Anyway, I'm not sure yet who I want to vote. I have to reread Creature & rach's isos and then look at light and Vedith's again.

When you can please read my spoiler walls. I think they're pretty convincing, as well as our recent exchanges. Lemme know what you think.

[Transcend]

I thought Transcend was familiar with my play.

we have one completed game. that townbloc of {Riddleton, Raskol, you, me} was impenetrable.

[Transcend]

I thought Transcend was familiar with my play.

we have one completed game. that townbloc of {Riddleton, Raskol, you, me} was impenetrable.

Then what about we wait 7 days, 10 hours, 54 minutes?

uh.

what?

[Transcend]

Uh yeah

But why that time frame exactly?

[Transcend]

Who is scum Creature?

[Transcend]

Except for Night 3, I was fairly sure I was gonna die. But then Mr. Ninja said otherwise.

I thought you said you only used your action N1 and N2?

Dear God this is so forced honestly. Night 3 was the most influential report on the game. And Creature called what that report was gonna be before I gave it.

[Transcend]

And more question dodging.

If I put a gun to your fucking head right now and you had to call scum in me/Rach and a bullet would go through your motherfucking head if you were wrong, who would you say is scum?

[Transcend]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Have you played with light before? Does she tend to bus a lot like he did with Vedith? I'm fairly new to the website so I haven't exactly established meta like I have on my home site.

[Transcend]

Ok.

Well my vote really doesn't mean much, it's sorta just where I stand right now.

Obviously I did have you as lock town and you can possibly change my mind again.

Most likely I'll end up sheeping BlackStar, I trust his judgment.

But you should probably respond to my quote walls with a bit more than just one-liners and start attacking Rach if you wanna see her lynched.

[Transcend]

probably not.

think he was doing his own little thing and no one had influence over it but himself. maybe light/vedith interactions might've been rehearsed in the PT. other than that, not really. I don't see the scum team telling Vedith to target me and Naomi lmfao.

honestly though, what he did bought him safety from D2 rope so I guess hats to him for tunneling the ridiculously obvious town and me. plus meta. meta sucks.

[Transcend]

Possibly me as well lmfao. I spent all of d1 saying that he was town when his slot's predecessor scumclaimed in his first post. Then I got sent to the PT. Notice that V didn't touch me D1 but when I start TRing him is when he triggers the senseless deathtunnel on me.

[Transcend]

@creature Why has the tone of your posts been different today?

Have noticed the same thing honestly.

[Transcend]

Mostly because I don't think light would put a buddy in the highest tier.

Yeah I'm not too sure if I buy this as a genuine reason you think I might be town. You've had me in your scum pool D2 onwards. You've had Rach (slot) in your town pool the entire game. The light_ganski reads list was something that you had all game to analyze, and you have done analyses on it before. This backpedaling doesn't look genuine to me.

[Transcend]

Fine.

UNVOTE:

Consider my vote still on you for now but I feel you're crumbling under pressure and this trait I feel might not indicate your alignment.

Read in peace.

[Transcend]

I don't think Io was on any of us per se. She seemed very comfortable lynching Titus. FMPOV the kill was made so that BlackStar would freestyle on me in MYLO/LYLO.

[Transcend]

The best question is:

Why not BlackStar?

AKA the person that if they died would've made this a chaotic 4 way no clears fiasco.

[Transcend]

So even if ninja was out of shots why would they not direct cc me?

IDK the kill that was made doesn't really designate any particular person as mafia to me. It wasn't the kill I expected though. I will not be using NKA.

[Transcend]

Right

Well the votes you made against the words you've said look a bit contradictory.

Tomorrow's gonna be a busy as f*** day at work tho and i need sleep. Toodles.

[Transcend]

Probably due to factors unrelated to the game. I doubt it was tactical.

[Transcend]

I'm on a lunch break now. If you wanna talk to me, say something now. Otherwise, you will have to wait.

[Transcend]

And now I'm off of work. I guess I may look at Rach/predecessors' ISO's.

[Transcend]

ye ok didn't get to isoing rachslot. will do it some other time

[Transcend]

I'm gonna use logical fallacies.

I await these.

[Transcend]

Creature you're being very hypocritical by tunneling all the empty slots d1 "vigging" one of them d2, then flaking yourself on the most important day while being active on the rest of the site.

[Transcend]

Wow. That was a fast response.

I'm gonna use logical fallacies.

I await these.

[Transcend]

Don't nl imo.

[Transcend]

Though, a draw is way better than a loss.

We're not drawing the game. Someone will eat the rope.

[Transcend]

I would be happy to give you my bug I sure do not have time to be sick

I am torn between if it is tran or if it is you, creature.

the only solid read of town I have besides myself, since I know I am town, is black.

we could try NL again and see if it stirs the scum to actually put in a kill this time and go into LYLO tomorrow.

Gun to head, who's scum?

[Transcend]

I think it's Rach

Explanation?

I haven't got around to reading her.

[Transcend]

Not voting yet, i still have to finish my work day. I want rach to defend herself.

[Transcend]

naa if I were scum I would not be going for a NL and agonizing over which one of these two is the final scum

I can see pros and cons to both tran and creature being the last scum.

Gun to head read plz?

[Transcend]

I think it's Rach

Explanation?

I haven't got around to reading her.

It's just a feeling. I mean, she hasn't really done anything at all throughout the entire game, jord was really sus and seraphim didn't really try to figure the game out either. Plus she disappeared until creature mentioned her and then immediately showed up. And I don't like that she's suggesting another no lynch. A no lynch only benefits scum at this point

Did you read my points on creature? What do you think of them?

[Transcend]

Happy belated. I have to go back to work. Be back in about 5 hours.

[Transcend]

Hi

I'm gonna post short one liners. I shouldn't be using my phone at work, but this game is getting down to the nitty gritty.

Rach: can you give points for both of us? I'm trying to decide if your waffling is genuine or if you're refusing to commit to a read.

[Transcend]

How certain on a scale of 1-10?

[Transcend]

Rach:

Your answers to my questions were ok. Not as direct as i wanted, but what can you do.

Your vote is correct if you're town and rn I'm somewhat inclined to trust you.

Can you answer what your thought processes were when you made your choice?

[Transcend]

Caught a break thank fuck

Rach: fair enough. I swear to Heaven above that I'm not a scum watcher. <3

Black: right now, i don't think rach is scum. It doesn't look like you're extremely confident either so when you get a chance can you please read my quote walls that i made on creature? I might force another nl if you keep the lynch on rach since i tend to trust myself over others.

Creature: what's up with the constant waffling? Your thought process doesn't look genuine here.

[Transcend]

I'm home now and i have the next two days off
Praise Baby Jesus.

[Transcend]

Will be awake for the next 8-ish hours if anyone wants to talk.

[Transcend]

Spoiler: Jordarrian

Jordarrian.

T O P K E K

Jordarrian

Someone got a guilty on you.

Nice try, I read the thread.

This was the first bad post that Jorda made and I partially voted him because my best tr at the time (KTS) asked me to vote him and partially because of this line.

VOTE: Jordarrian

VOTE: jordarrian

VOTE: Jordarrian

I love how this entire wagon just happened with no question whatsoever

I parked my vote here for a while because this response was pretty meh. However I wasn't sure if it was bad because he was newb town or newb scum. Regardless, I kept the vote for pressure.

he freaked out a lot at a relatively quick wagon, more than is reasonable for a wagon out of nowhere day 1. I dislike that reaction.

It just seemed funny that kill says to wagon me, then all of a sudden 3 others do it with no comments about it.

He victimizes himself again, basically paraphrasing the post above. Would he victimize himself this much as scum? I didn't really think so so I put him in the null town tier.

1. xyzzy

2. Transcend

3. light_ganski
4. massive

5. Jordarrian
6. Killthestory
7. BlackStar
8. Creature

9. Skelda
10. Vedith
11. pistachi0n
12. Io

13. Naomi-Tan

What is this

When the lolbw dissipates on Jorda, I think he was genuinely trying to game solve. I think him questioning Creature's list here was somewhat towny.

Then from here, the player vanished and moved into my null tier as others towned it up a bit.

Conclusion: Based on Jordarrian, I can see the way he played being done by either newb town or newb scum, but my gut tells me newb town.

[Transcend]

Spoiler: Seraphim

I'm sorry my predecessor sucked. I will try my damnedest to be a forthright member of the town, full of insight and good arguments. I

I'm about 20 pages in and almost caught up but I'm fairly convinced we should lynch light. Pretty obvious target for obvscum and a good D1 lynch regardless.

Transcend is town for having a lot of the same reads as me (not identical, but close enough as I read that I can feel his thought process).

Naomi is town b/c her playstyle is basically impossible to fake as scum. I was reading the game and figured this was the case and took a gander at her scum games and was basically proven correct. Transcend was convinced early on that Naomi was a gimmick account and while her posting style (i.e. as a 16-year old girl) is fairly annoying, I actually think she is acting like that which means that as scum it will be nearly impossible to replicate. Which means that she's town in this game, otherwise her posting would look way more fake.

Creature is also town and I would put down money that there is at least one scum on the Creature wagon. Light jumps out as an obvious candidate for a few reasons.

Here we see a textbook example of bullshit scum post. This is not a real case. It's not even a real PBPA. It's just a summary of posting with the word scummy thrown in now and again for shits and giggles.

This post sucks. Site meta must really be going down the tubes when a post like this doesn't get bandwagoned straight out the gate.

This post is exactly the sort of distancing tactic I would expect from scum with daytalk. In fact, the whole Vedith/light interaction on pages 19-20 stinks of two scum players coordinating a distancing interaction, not just that single post. Highly recommended reading.

Obviously I think Vedith is scum too and I think a Vedith/light_ganski scumteam is incredibly likely simply based on their interactions above.

Unvote
Vote: light_ganski

P-EDIT: no I am not ignoring the thread, likely I was looking at my phone. I try not to post from my phone, but I do use my phone to keep abreast of game events while working to post from my computer. I will only post from my phone if I have the time/patience to type it out and it's a short response. A big grand catch up post is not going to get done on my phone.

This was a very good opening post which includes 2 of the flipped scum members. It was the fuel that started the train on light which led to her ultimately being day-vigged.

Hahahaha holy shit. I feel REALLY good after that. BlackStar you are my fucking hero. Hahahaha.

Vote: Vedith

And when light flips he immediately votes Vedith. Would he bus both of his scum partners this early? I really doubt it.

Bullshit. Jor was a bad new player not used to Mafiascum conventions. He would have been coached in the PT.

"valid"

Unvote
Vote: xyzzy

Well his vote did flip to xyzzy, but I don't think it was a bad vote at all. I don't remember what point of the day his vote flipped, but I do remember that Vedith had town told a little bit and xyzzy was scumming all over the place.

At most I have been at L-3 (maybe I was at L-2) so I refuse to claim. I'm tired of dealing with Blitz and I'm utterly baffled that anyone would trust someone who thinks it's a good idea to lynch confirmed town and tunnel the person who pushed the Light lynch hardest. Xyzzy outed themselves when they sheeped her.

This victimization post and trashing of Titus reads really genuine. Possibly might have been gaining towncred for the light death but ehhhh I doubt it.

From Sera's ISO I'm fairly sure his actions weren't scum motivated and I think I can trust Rach for sure.

[Transcend]

Would still G2H C here. Right now that lynch is impossible to make though.

[Transcend]

gun to head creature.

have you read my quote walls yet?

[Transcend]

i mean i can understand if you haven't, because longposts aren't fun to read. but i feel mine are highly informative (and somewhat entertaining).

pedit: hi creature

[Transcend]

Several people had a Vedith/Light team read. Why were Sera's reads "so accurate" compared to just "accurate"?

[Transcend]

when will you be back on a computer, i have a hard time understanding what you're saying.

[Transcend]

I do not bus good grief, go check out my scum games creature

He's talking about your predecessor I believe.

[Transcend]

I haven't read her ISO yet. Only her predecessors. I suppose I'll take a look at it now.

However she did get defensive towards her scumread's push on her. Not sure why she'd appeal to someone she thinks is scum.

[Transcend]

errr what. i'm leaning towards lynching you buddy

[Transcend]

btw i got through rach's catch up. as i stated before her catch up was meh. i didn't get anything super towny from it, but catch ups aren't usually super towny. seraphim was a special case though.

[Transcend]

was that an attempt to try and grab hammer?

[Transcend]

what are you even saying dude

[Transcend]

that would be a good idea if i actually wanted to risk giving you hammer.

[Transcend]

but uh, i don't.

[Transcend]

I will not be partaking in this "chain thing". And it looks like you're trying to find a way to hammer since 2 people here think you're scum.

[Transcend]

Why not? Am I begging for BlackStar to give me the hammer?

I'd recommend testing Rach.

Say Rach is voting me, I am voting Trans and Trans is voting Rach.

If Black votes me, Trans has the chance to hammer me.
If Black votes Trans, Rach has the chance to hammer Trans.
If Black votes Rach, I have the chance to hammer Rach.

Not hammering is a townfirm.

uh yeah... you're kinda trying to get hammer here.

[Transcend]

Say Rach is voting me, I am voting Trans and Trans is voting Rach.

If Black votes me, Trans has the chance to hammer me.
If Black votes Trans, Rach has the chance to hammer Trans.
If Black votes Rach, I have the chance to hammer Rach.

Not hammering is a townfirm.

This is basically a scum claim. Town would never suggest this. How many votes are on creature right now?

1.

[Transcend]

One, basically 2 votes.

[Transcend]

I wasn't done reading Rach's iso but this is pretty clear cut to me imo.

PEDIT: VOTE: Creature

[Transcend]

Trans, you've been scumreading creature for ages so why haven't you voted him again?

More or less I was waiting to sway you on him because I can't get Creature lynched if you're parked on Rach.

[Transcend]

Do you try techniques to grab hammer as town too?

[Transcend]

I understand the strategy completely, but it reads like a way to get you hammer.

[Transcend]

Yes, we all get that the person who gets hammer and doesn't hammer is conf town. But you didn't respond properly to any cases made against you. The only way you've tried to not get lynched is this chain strategy which is extremely shady.

[Transcend]

Do you think BlackStar has me as his top trust?

Say Rach is voting me, I am voting Trans and Trans is voting Rach.

If Black votes me, Trans has the chance to hammer me.
If Black votes Trans, Rach has the chance to hammer Trans.
If Black votes Rach, I have the chance to hammer Rach.

Not hammering is a townfirm.

This is basically a scum claim. Town would never suggest this. How many votes are on creature right now?

i'd have to say no

[Transcend]

I said properly defend.

You did defend yourself, but not very well and you ignored several of the points I made.

[Transcend]

Why are you trying to clear yourself? What makes you think you deserve to be clear?

[Transcend]

This looks seriously like a last resort thing and a dirty way to try and get hammer.

[Transcend]

BlackStar, unvote Rach and let Transcend vote her.

Like the fact that you said this

Say Rach is voting me, I am voting Trans and Trans is voting Rach.

If Black votes me, Trans has the chance to hammer me.
If Black votes Trans, Rach has the chance to hammer Trans.
If Black votes Rach, I have the chance to hammer Rach.

Not hammering is a townfirm.

Before you said this

Looks like you were trying to get hammer yourself rather than have BlackStar choose.

[Transcend]

Rach has vanished tho

Are you letting us all take a crap on Creature girl

[Transcend]

How this isn't clear enough? Unvote first surely.

Touche, but then a couple posts later you recommend Rach.

Plus, BlackStar had his vote initially parked on Rach so him voting Rach again would give you hammer.

[Transcend]

Like it reads have Transcend vote Rach, so you can vote Rach so I can change my vote from Trans to Rach.

[Transcend]

I'd recommend testing Rach.

This was the post that looks like he was trying to hammer grab btw.

[Transcend]

Oh I misinterpreted that. I'm sorry.

[Transcend]

I thought you meant testing Rach as in voting Rach not giving Rach the hammer.

[Transcend]

Test Rach as in vote Rach and test my hammer on Rach. I misread context sometimes.

[Transcend]

Well BlackStar I can guarantee I'm town. I think you know it at this point.

I think if Rach flips scum she did a good job at keeping the slot stable but the mad kudos should go to Seraphim and his 17 posts.

[Transcend]

So personally I wouldn't be pissed losing to RachMarie.

[Transcend]

Is she good at feigning ignorance? I haven't played a completed game with RachMarie. I was in one with her briefly but subbed out due to not having internet. (u were inthat one too )

[Transcend]

Hey I'll answer my own question that I asked you.

On a scale of 1-10 for Creature vs. Rach I'm about 8.5 Creature here.

Dunno if that means anything for you, since if you're like me, you're more likely to be inclined to trust yourself.

But just putting it out there.

[Transcend]

I think my reads were fairly good this game though. The biggest mistakes were lynching xyzzy and Titus. I had light and Vedith (and Creature) in my early scum pool. Expedience joined the game to troll imo so lynching him was perfectly plausible.

[Transcend]

BlackStar is mechanically confirmed town fwiw. He has hammer on Creature right now.

[Transcend]

Case me brah.

[Transcend]

I was willing to town block with massive d1 since he wanted to lynch xyzzy with me.

KTS most likely bodyguarded BlackStar, but if he was just normal hit, I think he tr'd me anyways.

Io was killed because BlackStar said I was being lynched if Titus flipped town.

So uh nice try?