Meh I don't know, Mort could be throwing TF under the buss now that there is more of a wagon on him, if at any point either flips scum the other is a very likely candidate (please remember this).
There are other possible scenarios, I might comment on this further along the day if I think it becomes relevant.
Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:07 am
by keyenpeydee
VC 1.10 that I messed up. We'll edit some other time.
Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:08 am
by Human Sequencer
I've been considering what you told us to remember since post 333.
Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:09 am
by Drone
I'm actually feeling better with Mort after his recent posts. The other way around for TwoFace
VOTE: TwoFace
Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:11 am
by TwoFace
In post 398, MortFeld wrote:I see TwoFace's push on the lynchbait semantic deal as starting to look scummy. I don't see how either of your arguments pertains to the game. It seems like TwoFace is voting Copper just because Copper doesn't understand TwoFace's argument, which scum or town might do.
No im voting copper for the reason I gave when I voted. The stuff afterwards doesn't make me feel better about him so I see no reason to ease up.
In post 217, TwoFace wrote:Sorry copper. Scum can't be lynchbait cause the goal is to lynch scum.
This is objectively false.
In post 218, copper223 wrote:Scum can definitely be lynchbait because that's about your playstile and not what alignment you roll in a game, what happens when a player that is lynchbait as town plays another game and rolls scum, he magically becomes not lynchbait?
In post 260, copper223 wrote:TB is not explaining himself, you are making stuff up, which one looks scummier to you?
The point is I did not know he was lynchbait when I could have pushed him to get a reaction or I was already on his wagon when I said I thought he was, either way what you are saying does not work chronologically.
I am v/la as I mentioned. I'll try to answer in this post.
In post 321, copper223 wrote:Okay Mort, you are at the very least pretending to game solve and maybe it was just us butting heads because we are seeing things very differently from our own perspectives.
I don't see much (other than him being less active, but the same goes, much more so, with Toto) from HS that points at him being a different aligment from our recent game where he was town.
I have my theory on the drone comment but I want to hear what he says first.
VOTE: ThinkBig
You are next on the: why did you jump on the copper wagon list, you appear to also be game avoiding. I also want to hear your answer to Mort's questions.
What is your theory on the Drone question?
As far as copper, the reason why I voted for copper is because of him twisting the lynchbait discussion. For now, I will unvote.
UNVOTE: Copper
Hey all,
I am on V/LA until after the election on Tuesday
. The majority of my posts are coming from my iPhone. Therefore, my posts may not be able to be as substantive as I'd normally like it to be.
TB can you answer my post regarding your read/vote progression? How does that make sense?
Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:14 am
by Human Sequencer
I'm still not sure on TwoFace. I don't think pressurizing him will really get us anywhere, and I don't think lynching him is a good idea.
For the record, I still read him pretty neutral.
We really need others to weigh in. People like Chaos, Naomi, Loli and Misa.
TB is of course V/LA.
Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:16 am
by Toto
I've been trying to follow the lynchbait discussion and to be honest I'm not making too much sense of it. It seems like a small thing that somehow got into a big discussion, and some people are trying to make scum reads based on it which makes me think there is one scum in there {2face, copper, mort}
Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:16 am
by MortFeld
TB's explanation for his vote on Copper references something Copper did after TB voted Copper.
HS looks more town.
I want to run TB up but V/LA is a shield. Well, I'm going to run TB up. If I decide I'd rather lynch someone else I'll vote them.
Reason for scumminess was lurkiness + Drone comment. Drone comment explanation satisfied me and they are less lurky. I agree with their analysis of lynchbait deal (and disagree with yours). I didn't say they were my top townread, just that they look more town - as in, not my top scum read.
Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:24 am
by Toto
In post 329, MisaTange wrote:I feel like Copper bragging about their win percentage is LAMIST. Even if you win as town 80% of the time, what if this game is the 20% of the time you lose? This doesn't take in account confounding variables, i.e.:
Scummy town
Towns gambitting
People unfamiliar their meta (either as town or scum)
Scum with good logic
So on and so forth...
I don't understand what you mean with your list, how does that relate to what copper said?
Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:26 am
by copper223
In post 408, Toto wrote:I've been trying to follow the lynchbait discussion and to be honest I'm not making too much sense of it. It seems like a small thing that somehow got into a big discussion, and some people are trying to make scum reads based on it which makes me think there is one scum in there {2face, copper, mort}
Okay, I'll give you an example that should explain why I found it very relevant.
You, Toto, believe that the sky is blue.
I, copper, believe that the sky is orange.
I then say: Toto said the sky is blue, but the sky is orange, so Toto is lying.
I follow that up with: I know that Toto believes the sky is blue.
If I say both of those things, then the one that is lying is me and not you, do you follow? Now apply that to the lynchbait discussion.
Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:27 am
by MortFeld
Jeez I'm getting this latent feeling like scum are closing in and globbing onto things I do. Must mean things I do are anti-town.
That's enough to get me on board. I think we'll get a lot more out of this.
VOTE: ThinkBig
I'm voting TB because I think he's scum. What associations do you see, or rather, what do we get from a TB lynch other than dead scum?
I missed that Misa post. I don't like it. Don't see how bragging about win percentages is LAMIST when he bragged about how good he is as scum too.
Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:28 am
by MortFeld
And yes I know I said HS is looking more town, but the way they so quickly voted TB after me felt weird.
Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:33 am
by copper223
@Mort
If both you and TF are town then both TB and Misa are very good scum candidates, it also means Chaos and Creeps are likely town.
Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:34 am
by Creeps20
In post 349, Drone wrote:Can you confirm they didn't? If so they're lying on purpose. As town they'd have no purpose to lie about that.
You should be concluding they're scum, you should be voting them, no?
Anything else, you're throwing shade.
Pedit: same for Uzi.
I'm not thin skinned, I just can't tolerate a game played this way. It's written in my wiki page that I'm harsh with a habit of being intolerant towards negative attitude.
About Creeps:
There's absolutely no reason why town would want to keep him alive, yet this behaviour is just way too scummy. As I said, he it might be WIFOM, but highly unlikely.
No there is a reason. You just don't know what it is yet. And I won't reveal.
Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:37 am
by Human Sequencer
We entice TB into posting more.
We get to see what people think about TB once he becomes the main topic of conversation.
We get to see TB under pressure.
It's a lot better than sitting around and twiddling our thumbs, I believe.
Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:39 am
by MortFeld
@Copper can you explain those briefly? Sorry for asking you to spoonfeed, if you don't want to I'll go pore through the thread.
If you're correct then TwoFace is probably scum because I cannot see Creeps being town in any world - yes, WIFOM, but it's like he read MS wiki pages and decided to do all of the things the wiki listed as scum behavior.
In post 419, Human Sequencer wrote:We entice TB into posting more.
We get to see what people think about TB once he becomes the main topic of conversation.
We get to see TB under pressure.
It's a lot better than sitting around and twiddling our thumbs, I believe.
With a lot of days left, fair.
Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:42 am
by TwoFace
In post 420, MortFeld wrote:because I cannot see Creeps being town in any world
Really?
Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:42 am
by keyenpeydee
Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:46 am
by Creeps20
VOTE: Think big
Pressure is a town's best friend. So shall we create it? Yup
Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:47 am
by MortFeld
Town Creeps would be exceptionally bad and would also be refusing to even look at his own play for why people SR him, and I don't see why someone like that would be playing mafia.