VARSOON VARIETY HOUR : GAME SCRAPPED

[Maid Cafe]

Can we not lynch one of the most obvious town slots in the game?

~B

[Maid Cafe]

honestly, your strong strong townread of Purple Heart is one of my biggest obstacles to calling you two town.
what part of it can't be faked?

that isn't a rhetorical question, by the way. i'm really listening.

The way Alisae cased Mastina isn't how he'd do it as scum. Alisae almost always tries to play scum and try to deep wolf and trying to pile drive a lynch onto Mastina isn't exactly how he would go about doing that. 2891 especially stuff like this isn't shit he'd do as scum.

Taly I think just generally is posting like town, sure the opening this day is kinda bad but like even then I don't think it's outside the realm of town ignorance.

Like both there posts kinda just read as though there is a bit of ignorance to them in a way that strikes me as really town.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Sorry I am bad at explaining heavily nuanced reads.

[Maid Cafe]

Is there anything against them outside the flavor case?

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Pretty sure I know the entire scum team atm not going to lie.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Cerb, Varsoon spoke about modding a game like this before and it's likely exactly what we are dealing with this game.

I hope you stay anyway I was looking forward to playing with you :/

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Gamma Emerald.
Almost50.
Baku and Munna.
Nacy Drew

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Let's talk about those 4 people.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Taly get Ali to explain to Chara what kind of approach he'd take as scum this game for me.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Gamma Emerald.
Almost50.
Baku and Munna.
Nacy Drew

~B

Let's talk about those 4 people.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

ur not helping right now

reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Gamma Emerald.
Almost50.
Baku and Munna.
Nacy Drew

~B

Let's talk about those 4 people.

~B

You guys aren't very fun.

[Maid Cafe]

Can you guys get along?
I am siding with Cerb, I am starting to not care.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

What would Alisae do here as scum.
You keep saying what Alisae would not do as scum and that isn't what Chara wants to know and it isn't going to get them on the same page as you.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

I promise the 2 things, Alisae is town and we are always lynching scum today.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Taly if you post 100 more times and overtake alisae do you lose your ability to post?

[Maid Cafe]

Can anyone kill or get results in the day?

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Hey Titus where is your head at right now?

~B

[Maid Cafe]

To get specific, what about the 4 names I mentioned earlier in the thread.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

ya those.

[Maid Cafe]

Yo Snarky talk read for me.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Bee wanna ask me anything directly?

I want to talk thing out before I get into my reads atm.

[Maid Cafe]

Our vote was already on them Drixx.

Nobody else cares.

-Cerb

I care.

I just don't agree with what your saying about Alisae.
I don't think the color thing implies anything about how Alisae casted the sword.
And I don't really see how the posts in question argue that they are conf town as well and even then that's a really common thing people do on this site.

I think it's more they want a mass claim because they want to see what role people had and how they chose to use them not they wanted to speculate from a flavor stand point.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Er idk how to say this without it sounding like a fake claim.
But I kinda have 2 guilties atm lol.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

I need to catch 4 scum to win the game not 2.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Yes, and you just fucked catching the other scum today, based on their associatives with your guilties, by stating it outright for no fucking reason 4 hours into the phrase.

-Cerb

Sorry I have literally 0 idea how to approach this day phase when like none of the town want to cooperate.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

I mean I have to do the following things.

All within 48 hours.
Get my town reads to cooperate.
Sell you on my reads being correct.
Make sure people don't waste day actions.

Like idk it's hard to play this correctly.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

If you have two guilties, Cerb is correct that you should have waited. Since you did not, I'd recommend creating two pools that contain your guilties (could be 1 1 or 0 2) to test reactions on lynching.

~Titus

Maybe.

[Maid Cafe]

I am thinking of just posting my POE.

[Maid Cafe]

@cerb/snarky did your lie detect give you mana?

~B

[Maid Cafe]

So 15 minutes before the day ended yesterday we were put into a hood with the Baku slot. Which I don't think is a coincidence given how short 15 minutes is.

We think that putting us in a hood was a requirement for Baku to get mana, kinda like how Micc needed to grant tokens in order to gain mana so Baku added us to a hood in order to cast the U/G sword to quick hammer SD.

They probably didn't have much of a regard for how obvious that was because we were probably supposed to die but since Mathblade got a guilty on them they didn't have the ability to kill us.

Also Baku claimed there role was U/G which is the exact color of the sword and by play they are being kinda evasive in regards to the thread so they aren't really town by play either.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

I thought I had a guilty on Gamma but I misread mod communication kek.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

These are who scum will try and get lynched to win (also town)

Iconeum
Skybird
Dunnstral
Purple Heart

These are Town (I assume you guys are good to not lynch these)

Chara
Bronya Zaychik
Reasonably Rational

Not "Obvious Town" but is still town enough

Creature

-------------------------------DO NOT LYNCH ABOVE THIS LINE-------------------------------

Other scum

SnarkySnowman
Venmar (If Gamma flips town move this to Creature tier)
Nancy Drew 39

All these are scum

Almost50
Gamma Emerald
Baku and Munna

[Maid Cafe]

Roles created before alignments.

Why would B&M hood you when they could hood their teammates instead? Other than a clause specifically saying the ability could only be used on people who you did not already share a PT with.

-Cerb

Maybe I wasn't meant to die, and I just wasn't expected to make the connection.
Or there was a condition.

Do you really think it was a coincidence, like I am not joking we got the hood and then the day ended all within 15 minutes.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

I can get into play but do you even town read that?

~B

[Maid Cafe]

I don't know about Almost50.

I feel like no one is going to ever lynch A50 this game lol.

[Maid Cafe]

Do you think how a lot of my reads revolve around scum being "too self aware to do X" would mean that they really just didn't expect me to scum read them for that?

~B

pedit: <3

[Maid Cafe]

Also, what was the benefit of timing it that way? Random knows Varsoon allows the submission of actions with triggers, the only timed thing we knew about was my question asking ability. Had up to 49 hours to separate themselves from that action in your mind if they just let me get the one additional question.

I don't think a majority of players would be aware of this option

~B

[Maid Cafe]

These are who scum will try and get lynched to win (also town)

Iconeum
Skybird
Dunnstral
Purple Heart

These are Town (I assume you guys are good to not lynch these)

Chara
Bronya Zaychik
Reasonably Rational

Not "Obvious Town" but is still town enough

Creature

-------------------------------DO NOT LYNCH ABOVE THIS LINE-------------------------------

Other scum

SnarkySnowman
Venmar (If Gamma flips town move this to Creature tier)
Nancy Drew 39

All these are scum

Almost50
Gamma Emerald
Baku and Munna

Let it be known I do not fully agreee with this list
~maki

[Maid Cafe]

Oh Maki might just be familiar with those anyway. Thanks for covering. Woof!

^_~ That was a great game
~Maki

[Maid Cafe]

back to lurking I go
if you have a question you need from the lurker head who just tells bee what to do in discord lmk
~Maki

[Maid Cafe]

I was voting Gamma EoD yesterday, I literally just think he flips scum.
I'll fully explain later, I want to hold onto all the details.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

How does a Gamma scum flip impact whether or not they needed to rush the mastina lynch?

~B

[Maid Cafe]

And even if they weren't aware of the trigger option, btw, they could have just *waited* to do it. Again, the only thing that I'm aware of that gave them any reason to rush was my new question unlocking.

Sorry, since Gamma was the 2nd largest wagon at the time and people were generally ok with the idea of lynching him.
Do you think that maybe they were worried Mastina would not be at L-3/The Creature unvoted if they waited?

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Like I see motivation to rush.
And I also just buy that it could have been a mistake or a condition on the role.
Or they expected me to TR it since I TR odd stuff like, Dunnstral saying "hi".

Those make more sense to me then a really odd coincidence.

Errr I'll step away for now but I am also ok lynching Gamma today.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Me and Claire decided claiming this was correct. (lol day roleblocker if thats a thing).

We can put 3 people in a hood RBing all of them.

We kinda want to use this to win the game on the spot.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

People in the hood are informed they are roleblocked.
So it's not like scum won't know about this.

[Maid Cafe]

It's a night RB.
Your action is a day action I thought.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

I wasn't even second largest, I was tied for second.

Why are you defending Baku from a case that involves you flipping scum?

~B

[Maid Cafe]

I value a RB kinda highly.
Maybe you should fish for a vanilla neighborizor to target you.
Otherwise I'll talk to Maki if we should comply.

Lynch Gamma
Block Baku/Nancy/Venmar
A50 literally can't act tonight.

I think we win off this >__> (Nancy/Venmar subject to change after I talk to Maki)

[Maid Cafe]

Weird choice, having Gamma as lynched instead of blocked when you claim to have an argument you strongly believe makes Baku scum.

I think the Gamma flip says more about player's alignments.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

I don't really want to lynch A50 while he is blocked from performing night actions in all honesty.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

When he isn't then it's an 11/10 idea.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Almost is town.

I am guessing your only learning how to improve your playstyle from Eli and not your reads.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

I mean I can just do gamma and worry about everyone else later but idk.
Almost50 literally just claimed scum lol.

~B

You will stay in this hydra and you will like it mr I get you're dumb and hydra slip a lot but for your sake don't do it again

[Maid Cafe]

Taly talk to Alisae, I think the plan for today is.
I RB, Cerb, Vanmar and Baku.

We then lynch Gamma and A50 can't act.
Then trackers/RBers hop onto Nancy.
But if I snapped the entire team scum can't even kill kek.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

you rang~
~Maki

[Maid Cafe]

I hard tr A50 and Alisae

Beeboy thinks Alisae is "town" and A50 is scum
~Maki

[Maid Cafe]

Also don't worry Chara if I'm scum I'll win so that's the good part! Because no one beats scum me....

no one

~Maki

[Maid Cafe]

Maki, is there a reason you're taking a major backseat this game? have you talked about it already?

pedit: :<

I mostly filter my thoughts to beeboy I've read the whole game I just don't really post and let bee do it and we talk about it.
I don't really have a big reason per say it's just nice to not be the head doing all the posting I guess? It's a nice break it's refreshing
Pedit: Alisae townread is meta and town for me I think Bee could explain his better

[Maid Cafe]

Like I don't think Alisae plays scum this way

[Maid Cafe]

u-u-uhhhh..
TAG BEEBOY YOU'RE IT
~Maki

[Maid Cafe]

I think Alisae isn't a scum player you can catch based on a sample of 1.
Like I don't think that's a reliable way to catch him.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

I don't really get how you recognized A50 claimed scum and at the same time have him as lock town

Like A50 is lock scum and I am not really sure how anyone can say otherwise.

Unless you really think A50 this fucking garbage as town to spout a bunch of fake claims pretending other people stole his vote.
But yeah i guess if you think A50 is a player who would game throw to for his own entertainment then sure he is town?

Mostly he has done nothing all game in terms of pushing reads and I think he was null on Mastina and fucking had Gamma as scum so him quick hammering like that is actually just a fucking game throw.

But yeah if that's the kind of player you think A50 is then I guess I can't really argue with you about his alignment because you outright have 0 expectations out him.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Like how the fuck do you manage to read A50 posts and come to the conclusion he'd quick hammer mastina like that as town is absurd.

[Maid Cafe]

Oh Maki wanted me to explain my town read on Alisae.

Oops

~B

[Maid Cafe]

He fucking quick hammered a null read from L-3 while he had a scum read being a leading wagon.
Tell me why that's town play.

Your ignoring that for no reason what so ever.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

you seem to have the one who has zero expectations for him, if you think this brilliant maneuver was his scum plan.

So Chara why did A50 claim?
Because I was pushing Baku on the notion he had the sword.

Baku who A50 by no means town reads atm.

Guess what the scum motivation in that is? Defending Baku.
OH LOOK THE SCUM MOTIVAITON.

Now please explain to me the town motivation in hammering a null read from L-3.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Like I am telling you the scum motivation.
Your just ignoring how from any town POV a50 outright fucking game threw.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

HE FUCKING MADE IT UP.
HE WASN'T SCUM READING MASTINA.

~b

[Maid Cafe]

if i have to sit here and accept "Alisae is town because meta" from you then you're listening to my terrible Almost read. deal?

Not overly we could just lynch both.

[Maid Cafe]

hitting scum 50% of the time is game winning so...

[Maid Cafe]

hitting scum 50% of the time is game winning so...

too bad if we're both right, they're both town.
and that isn't how reads work. it isn't that one of us is 100% right and the other is 100% wrong. you know that.

Sorry this game has been frustrating me ever since the flavor changed.
I think the difference here in what your trying to argue and what I am seeing is that.

A50 never expressed a scum read on Mastina and I don't really buy the line of reasoning it was a spur of the moment read.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

As for Dreamers, I'm undecided on their alignment, but the push on them seems unnatural, and I don't think Town would have to use extra voting abilities to get a lynch through on D1, which is why I'm having Dreamers as a town lean (that and the Yume AtE, but I admit I have a soft spot for Yume's AtE unlike my usual stiff self).

His last expressed opinion was a town lean
:/

[Maid Cafe]

Like your telling me not to use meta.
I am showing you factual in thread posts that show A50 was town reading SD.
And I am supposed to just drop that on the ground.


A50 is really self aware and knows what he can get away with. And going to the opposite end to get town read (by doing "awful" stuff) is a really viable strat and I can show you games where I did that to pretty strong success if you don't believe me.
I am pretty sure A50 was in all 3 games I did that.


~B

[Maid Cafe]

asking you to explain the meta =/= just drop the read beeboy, you suck.

I am saying your telling me to drop the a50 read.
My b.

[Maid Cafe]

oh I follow lol

[Maid Cafe]

cafe is there an update on your read on Baku?

(and i also wanna know if you think that a50 is being genuine in being behind the hammer)

I stopped TRing them just based on play, it felt oddly evasive.
Then the reaction itself was kinda just odd to me?
Like it was a combination of complete faith it was coming from town all while thinking it was the worst thing they ever read, and sure people think I am a totally awful mafia player at times but like they suspect me when I decide to just openly play like trash.
If A50 is scum the motivation in claiming was obviously just the cover, otherwise I am not sure?

A50 expressed a TR on mastina.
I'd buy the town case as a quick hammer if it was an expressed scum read even as a lesser one, I really would in all honesty really take a good look at it.
It's just the real scum read of Gamma had a lot of potential, I could have swayed Alisae and Bronya to vote Gamma yesterday kinda easily.
It's just like I don't see the need to end the day like that on a town read as town :/

[Maid Cafe]

he did this in Aristophane's British Monarchy mafia. it was such a bad move it got is mislynched. (he's not the reason we lost the game, but even Almost agrees it wasn't a good idea.)

I don't know why he'd repeat play like that.
And like I'd need to read the game but I am guessing he town read the slot or didn't have the ability to lynch his scum read.

[Maid Cafe]

scum read the slot*

[Maid Cafe]

Chara are you ok with either
Gamma or Baku today and we can argue aggressively or peacefully about our reads tomorrow?

[Maid Cafe]

Err I am prolly RBing Baku so they are getting taken off the table as a lynch today.
If anyone has a major objection to this please say something in like 1 hour.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Since the RB is a day action and Cerb wants it submitted in like 2 hours from now or something.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

K I am also taking Nancy off the table then and will push Gamma for lynch.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

ok I still am a strong advocate of Gamma lynch more then anything.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

We got targeted by something and I am kinda confused.
pls send us a wink wink if you know what is up (pls don't bm me)

~B

[Maid Cafe]

VOTE: gamma

[Maid Cafe]

VOTE: Gamma
~Ali

<3

[Maid Cafe]

I might have a few ye.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

@Titus/Kiana do you have a role based reason to be in a hood / know about them?
Or is this simply a scum hunting thing.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Ya I am not sure how only the 2 of us see that.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

I really think the trend of all the older users scum reading A50 is also a thing of like.
What A50 doing is a scum strat that people just aren't willing to do in the current generation of MS so like there is that.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

I am going to make a visual guide on how to win this game.

[Maid Cafe]

I got my B&M hood at 12:50. so yeah lol.
The only motivation A50 has to claim is to cover for B&M even as town he shouldn't have claimed that.

Mark dying over {RR, MC, Purple, Chara, Bronya} is odd af and points to the guilty theory and not a coincedence.


Gamma is obvious scum and his flip points to Venmar.
B&M and A50 are just tied scum atm.

If I am wrong anywhere it's Nancy who is left.


Cerb thoughts on the team I've been at for awhile?

[Maid Cafe]

So, let's think about this.

What's the fallout of a town flip on the part of either A50 or B&M? Does a townflip on either clear the other in your mind?

-Cerb

The only town flip that I think clears one of my reads is Gamma flipping town ruins half the reasons I think Venmar is scum.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Like idk I am not sure which of the 2 flipping town would clear the other.
A50 flipping town to some degree clears the reasons for scum reading B&M? But I wouldn't say they are remotely town outside the reasons brought up to scum read them.

[Maid Cafe]

oh wait right, the motivation for A50 claiming is covering for Baku.

[Maid Cafe]

Varsoon said he had 8 "planes" planned.
I highly doubt we can go back to MtG this game given we now know that means he has 8 different "games" designed.

Also we could play a super spicy fun game called "aggressively lynch all of beeboy's scum reads until one flips town"

[Maid Cafe]

in the hypothetical universe where me and a50 are both scum, why does a50 throw themselves in front of the bullet?

This is like the near perfect player list to do a strat like what he is doing.
Get town read for the reasons Chara said.

I really don't think what A50 is doing is suicidal play.
Almost positive A50 actually possesses the sword so like the flip doesn't directly tie the 2 of you either.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

if baku and munna are town, there's no reason for scum Almost to claim and cover for them when no one knew who was responsible, besides beeboy's theory of being so ridiculously scummy that no one calls him scum.

This is actually a legit strat lmao.

[Maid Cafe]

You can tell me it's not a legit strat but look at this game, it seems to be doing a great job of working for him.

[Maid Cafe]

I mean Varsoon gave me a pm full of combos that I could never do over 1 day.
We aren't going back to MtG though, I don't think Varsoon lies about making 8 planes seems too casual to lie about.

Like the day 1 -> 2 swap was designed to be literally unpredictable it wouldn't surprise me if you weren't meant to cast those spells.

(Day 1 -> 2 swap I actually think was a tiny bit bastard cause we played assuming we could plan ahead which we couldn't)
(although all future swaps are fair game I just wish it was advertised better, but I am having fun this game so I don't mind)

[Maid Cafe]

Pretty sure Mark had all those as scum except for Gamma which isn't a read I am willing to concede on.
So Mark being right also supports my arguments.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Poor Skybird getting cyber bullied by everyone

[Maid Cafe]

I kill Chara as scum.

[Maid Cafe]

Or you, or Titus.
I'd get you 3 out of the game as fast as possible.

[Maid Cafe]

The plot thickens!

[Maid Cafe]

The time Varsoon sent us the pm was 12:50 the time they said was correct.

The hood creation time was like 12:35 so they aren't lying about that.

(still scum though so good job )

[Maid Cafe]

I have no time for this atm see you in 1-2 hours.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Er I really just want to fully case the game in one go but I keep getting lazy.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Okay the times were explained but I'm not moving my vote until MC can give a legitimate explanation of why they said there was a guilty on me after they no-acted.

I find it kinda surprising that it took you this long to point this out.
Also when I claimed to have 2 guilties and you accepted it I find it kinda weird you didn't really take the info you had to refute it.

Like it's more of a defensive thought process and you just took what I said at face value rather then critically think about it.

I retracted my guilty on you awhile back but I think generally this thought process doesn't come from town.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

@Nancy, ISO these slots: Venmar, A50, Baku and Gamma Emerald (also his hydra: Tibor and Lumia)

[Maid Cafe]

[Maid Cafe]

I am waiting on our map thingy

~B

[Maid Cafe]

imagine being half asleep and thinking I should read this haha fuck me
~Maki

[Maid Cafe]

3 people claim they can't die/be lynched?
Yeah no
~Maki

[Maid Cafe]

I'm also lynchproof which has me eyeing gamma's claim


The way my role works is that votes just don't stick on me right now, so it's provable

Maybe it's just a pacifist route thing?

Just dropping in to say I'm unlynchable now - keep up the good work guys

Plus Onthemark?
Plus Gamma?

Yeah no
~Maki

[Maid Cafe]

maid is a bit mia with both habing a few problems sorry

[Maid Cafe]

VOTE: Venmar


~B

[Maid Cafe]

Is there anything anyone wanted to know from me?
I am still kinda mia but I can answer questions for a bit.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

I've kinda convinced myself that my scum pool just wins town the game in all honesty. I am kinda confident in my town reads atm and I also am sold on my scum reads.
Creature/Skybird are the 2 slots I am not overly sold on but like I kinda just think Skybird/Creature are T/T to a small degree.

Order of Scummines
Nancy > Venmar > A50 > Baku > Gamma
Lynch Order
Nancy > A50 > Venmar > Gamma > Baku


Like it's hard for me to order this?

Nancy: Least scummy so nah
Venmar: I want the Gamma flip first.
A50: Self role blocked so I think lynching him is sub optimal. But a scum flip is a scum flip.
Gamma: Don't really want to waste a day lynching him given his claim. It's probably optimal play but I am lazy.
Baku: Ya I see no issue.

Like the bottom 3 kinda always flip scum in my eyes. And I feel like Venmar is tied to Gamma. Maybe I am getting too lazy voting Venmar but I kinda just want the day to end.

[Maid Cafe]

Like I don't really like saying stuff like this but it's hard for me to care about an order when 75% of the scum team is outed.

[Maid Cafe]

A50 is kinda outed and claimed scum with the whole hammering a TR for the fun of it to cover for Baku.
Gamma is just kinda just giving up by pushing me and claire and his reaction to me faking a guilty was pretty awful as well.
Baku got outed with the really sketchy hood timing.

Venmar is just tied to GE.

Micc played pretty scummy and did a really dodgy replace out.

I dunno. I feel like I am playing a different game from everyone else.

[Maid Cafe]

Like do any of you not really follow one of these?

[Maid Cafe]

Actually A50 is outed even further then what I said because I looked back at some of the info we have but I am curious if someone else can tell me why.

[Maid Cafe]

Ok so remember in the thread where I said that A50 just claimed an aspect of his role and claimed it was a scum action to look town?

So when the day actions got reset and our roles swapped A50 got his role back.

So we live in one of the 2 worlds right now action reset or A50s role swapped.
A50 had a negative utility role that made him self RB + Voteless and is just lying scum.
Or the other world in which he is town where scum knew what the Undertale role pms were before we came here which I kinda doubt. And decided that pre-submitting a RB + Vote steal on him was a good line of play and I don't really think that is a reasonable use of a super strong action as well.

Like one of these worlds actually makes sense and the other is required for A50 to be town.
Night actions from the MtG phase didn't reset Varsoon specifically clarified only day actions reset.

[Maid Cafe]

Also A50 kinda just quick hammered a town read and conveniently Mark died after.

[Maid Cafe]

Like I am not even getting into why I scum read him for play day 1 because I shouldn't need to.
I really just don't.

[Maid Cafe]

Then why does A50 claim to cover for Baku as scum.
Baku also has the really sketchy hood timing as well which is also outing in itself which I went into enough I think.



Gamma saw the following last night (Maid Cafe: Nowhere). And I claimed my D1 role. I literally couldn't get 2 guilties that fast or reasonably as an undertale day action from Gamma's POV.
So like he had no reason to take my claim at face value, yet he did. Town do in fact opt to not think all the time but Gamma didn't once take into consideration the info he had on us or the legitimacy of our claim when he had us at null. That's really sketchy and it's not how town who are thinking about the game would ever really play. I don't really want to attribute it to ignorance either since like it's his only mechanical info he has to worry about.

[Maid Cafe]

I dunno I am not reaching and this all seems really clear to me.

[Maid Cafe]

(Gamma)

[Maid Cafe]

I made some nice visual g uides.

[Maid Cafe]

VOTE: a50

I want to talk to Maki about this so I may move somewhere else.

[Maid Cafe]

We have a guilty on A50 I am not dealing with that.

~B

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We chose A50 because me and Maki were divided on the read.
It was an invention we received (prolly due to our claim), we didn't use it before the day reset so we only have 1 result.
We used it sometime last irl night.

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ty end the day so I can get out of this game.

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Day result.

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I only fake innocents, literally I have never faked a guilty on someone.

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1

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2

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3

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4

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Can you vote A50?

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I don't particularly care enough about ICing Chara I think we lose more by stalling out the day for another 6 irl days.

Especially given a few people completing a puzzle literally just outs them as scum if this is a fake claim so I don't think it ever is?


Like

Literally 100% of the time these are true.
A50 = Scum
Baku = Scum
Gamma = Scum

Venmar is probably just the last scum in this team.

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I mean it seems easy because I spent the last 8 irl days screaming about it until people started to saw what I saw.

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see what I saw*


Anyway I kinda feel like Venmar being scum depends on Gamma being scum is the thing I don't particularly get why I would want to lynch Venmar but not Gamma.

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I think we always lynch Baku once A50 flips scum.

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It'll create even more apathy then what we currently have which is the way I think we lose this game.

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ok we can wait I guess.

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why not just make Gamma do it instead?
He is in a worse position.

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There are literally 0 mechanics in play where you can just tell us what the puzzle is I am pretty sure.

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Is it an image of someone holding a heart?

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There should be a button on the bottom left that makes it so it only shows the edge pieces and corner pieces you can brute for it from there i guess

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I think me and Claire just die tonight so there is something I may post

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I am going to go slow for a bit I have new things to say as well I just dwant to take this piece by piece.

We have a guilty on A50 and
A50 claiming to save Baku makes it highly likely Baku is scum since I was literally pushing Baku as though I had a guilty.
In addition them creating there hoods very close to EoD means they knew the day was ending

So playwise I take issue with them as well but does anyone not just understand these reasons?

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Like does anyone disagree with my reasons or think Baku could be toen?

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I mean with given info in thread I thought the game was clear as day but apparently not. /shrug

I mean I still dont see the motivation in A50 claiming to save a dead townie. I think the odds go to near 0 when you think about that.

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Gamma hasnt really been playing to his town game at all.
He wad disconnected all of day 1, mainly the same thing day 2.

Night 1 he chose to track {A50, Chara, Me, Bronya} which really just feels like him claiming 3 of his scum tracks. Generally he has just ignored or treated his targets as town which I think is a disconnect from a player who submitted those actions. And him explaining his role was dodgy af.
(I am not sure how the above is not enough he simply just isnt playing like town gamma and has non sensical actions.)

In addition Varsoon is a mod who will check synergies and make sure his game just isnt strictly broken. Varsoon would easily miss checking to see if scum and town roles are broken together while designing multiple games over night.

Our pacifist role is we can target 5 people and check to see if they preformed an action night 1. Gamma can claim before us so there isnt overlap so us + Gamma can check like 9 different slots + ourselves which is 11/15 slots. So i dont really think us and Gamma coexist mechanically since we basically so the same thing and we do it over way too many slots in addition to the vast amount of play based reasons that make him scum 100% of the time.

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And after catching 3 scum in a row just lynch venmar since i am too lazy to explain that read

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Is it bad that I am a shitty player and town read Nancy for this?

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I town read like every slot in the game that arent my scum reads tbh.

Snarky may be some temp undead scum but idk, I dont want to worry about that atm.

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tldr is needed
~Maki

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They otherwise get lynched so I am not sure why the 2nd point holds.

~B

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I've basically decided(and decided since Chara first told me about this) that they're either a 3P

why did you decide they could be a 3P?

~B

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I wish we got a harder puzzle tbh.

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tbh I don't expect Icon to actually do the puzzle.

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FYI, I will do everything in my power to ignore the guilty and lynch you if you ignore it.

I don't think this is how this works >.>

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Speaking of, I have a bunch of theme ideas in my back pocket but no clue what people even want to play.

Megaman Battlenetwork, Dragon's Crown, Legend of 5 Rings, Magic the Gathering, Sacrifice, Sengoku BASARA, Samurai Jack, Mike Tyson Mysteries, Yakuza, Heroes of Might and Magic 3, Gundam: Universal Century, Undertale, the list goes on...

Basically, I just don't know what I want to commit 6+ months to again.

To be fair, I've had to have a lot of rules conceits and come up with little rules for myself; like that every game I create should have a 'vanilla' MYLO/LYLO state. I do that so, regardless of mechanics present, players still have to win a game of straightforward mafia with straightforward voting mechanics.

Cheetory6 proposed an awful/great idea where I just mash all those setups into one.

So.
Would anyone actually want to play a game where, each day, players must vote on a new setup to play for the next day/night phase. Each setup swap would completely give people all new role cards and public mechanics, abandoning the old ones?

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None of those have a name do they?

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I think there is information somewhere that gives it away.
We can try guessing but I don't think thats the solution.

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The name of the game likely has something to do with the scum's flavor.

The End

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Sparkbearer is to MTG
As
The Undergrround is to undertale
As
The End is to "our game name"


we aren't approaching this at the right angle at all lol.

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It would be funny if we didn't have all the information yet due to not enough days happening.

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What if this is the last game Varsoon mods

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the beginning of the end Mafia.

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the beginning of the end Mafia.

I did it \o/

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Chara and Cerb I am pretty sure have the right idea on how to approach this.

What would the flavor for the enemies be in undertale be consider "the underground" is the town?

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I am more just thinking of things that could give away what the end actually is.

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Game name - Magic the Gathering Mafia (Game title will change once the game begins to reflect flavor changes)

fucking lol

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@Dunnstral can you explain your puzzle to us?

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It's an unedited post so well lmao.

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A50 do you know what the origin of the end is?
I asked Varsoon and he said the beginning but idk I asked 4 stupid questions prior so it was highly likely just banter lol

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@mod does this game have any alternate names, if so what are they?

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i am getting hints :bigbrain:

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@mod can you give us some flavor knowledge on the non undertale side of this game?

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I mean....why would we check the mod queue?

Some of you mods shoula noticed it though.

Weird that he didn't TELL US about that in advance since it was publicly available for us to discover....:/

Yes, the end being generic is the point. We need a generic name. Something broad.

I checked the mod queue hoping a hint would be there.

I want something else to chew on to help us figure this out lol.

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@mod can you tell us about The End

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@mod can you tell us about inspirations for this game?

Ok I am done.

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I kinda want to know what Dunnstrals cipher was

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Can we get the flip tonight?

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100% always lynch Baku next.
Then Gamma.

Then Venmar after that / evaluate new info but I think this is good.

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The first 2 aren't really choices.

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the guilty's fake. thanks beeboy.
i mean i feel bad about extending the day for this puzzle i don't even think we can solve but it was in part because i thought we had a guilty to fall back on.

Why did you feel the need to out this?

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Because if someone claimed to have given me a cop invention the game would literally be over for town on the spot?
Whatever I am clear after A50 flips scum anyway.

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You don't need to defend me.
I thought it was the right play and that retracting would have been toxic to the game state.

~B

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We can talk about this tomorrow.
I'll defend myself.

~B

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Yeah Mafia is a team game so don't go doing stupid shit like faking guilties.