In post 383, mutantdevle wrote:Observation: Math seems a little more aggressive than usual?
This seems pretty much like Math's town meta to me.
Where do you see him being more aggressive?
His interactions with Ircher mainly. The Math I know comes across as more calm.
That said, I've seen the Math I know as both town and scum. I don't recall him being what I consider aggressive here as either alignment before. Hence, I don't think there's anything too AI about this at the moment. Perhaps it's something worth considering later though.
Posted: Fri May 04, 2018 11:10 pm
by mutantdevle
I've never seen him this against fluff and catchup before either.
Posted: Fri May 04, 2018 11:12 pm
by mutantdevle
UNVOTE:
Posted: Fri May 04, 2018 11:15 pm
by brassherald
In post 399, Mathdino wrote:yeah can someone explain the ausuka case in more than just "gut"
Her early posts are just a different feeling than I'm used to seeing from her as town. I remember read lists pretty early, quote walls early game, etc.
Posted: Sat May 05, 2018 1:39 am
by The Janitor
Spoiler: Pretty big post
Hmm 218 seems good to me, although I haven't played with you before Taly, not on this account. Good points made.
In post 231, mutantdevle wrote:Vengeful, as a role, is not statistically AI for this setup. But yes, obviously lynch anyone who claims the role.
Wouldn't you think scum would want to pick it? It guarantees hitting a PR bar the redirector I think? As opposed to a vigilante which can a) hit Vanilla Town and b) can only be used N3. I guess Vengeful could be useful for both parties but picking vig would make more sense for town I think.
In post 242, mutantdevle wrote:Personally, I don't think picking a high number is particularly AI in either way. However, if Saske does flip scum, then her partners almost definitely picked low ones.
Correct assumption I'd guess, picking high gives you big odds of being early in the draft.
Why me then? Any opinions on what I posted? You didn't mention them, did you find my posts bad like the other people on my wagon?
In post 250, SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis wrote:I think IF Janitor is JUST an inarticulate townie then whatever INFO DUMP he writes will be the BREAKING POINT in determining his TRUE motivations (〇o〇✿；)
Well here we are. Guess I'm inarticulate then. Curious for all these identity guesses. I'm probably bad at hiding this stuff, and also at trying out a really drastically different playstyle so eh I'll prob keep it to one account
(response to A50)
In post 255, SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis wrote:THIS first response pinged me a little - it DOESN'T answer the question I asked and instead seeks to BRUSH OFF my read! ( ⚆ _ ⚆ )
Fair point here. Why does knowing Beef necessarily correlate to being able to townread/scumread him correctly? Every newbie's gotta read people correctly at some point, that isn't because they know the people they're reading, I think? Surely meta may play a part but I'm not one to metadive honestly.
Not a big fan of birdie's short posts here and I don't quite get the Ausuka wagon?
In post 282, Almost50 wrote:@Mod: I know SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis looks like half the player list in one word, but they still count as one vote.
Why these 2 in a bracket? Without scrolling back I don't really recall any meaningful interactions. Just setup spec and one saying he's bad at reading the other
In post 297, Almost50 wrote:Just ftr, I won't vote outside Iconeum/The Janitor until they both flip.
Even ignoring my own name here, what's the town benefit here especially if there are 3 scum?
In post 315, Ircher wrote:too much setup analysis and appeal to WIFOM
Don't think setup spec is that bad in itself but yes I do think it's mostly a bunch of wifom. But Math does it more I guess... still no big fan.
In post 328, Mathdino wrote:you don't know the meaning of WIFOM. scum does not send in draft numbers in this setup to fake town out, they send it to rob town of PRs and get good PRs when possible
so talk to me in specifics instead of trashing everything i have to say
do you think 2 scum would pick the same number to fake out town? if so, who in this setup would do so? i already discussed this possibility
do you think scum would pick all high numbers, essentially guaranteeing town gets the cop?
do you think scum would pick {1, 2, 3}?
Blending in here but
WIFOM as far as I know it points to situations in which you can't draw a conclusion in which you can't possibly say with any security that a certain action is typical for or implies a certain alignment... Such as certain numbers. Can we honestly answer any of the last 3 questions with any certainty? Scum can guess low certainly but they may tie with others. But they may also play high to ensure a non-tie. The same goes for town.. at least that's my view.
In post 263, Almost50 wrote:When was the last time he actually posted anything other than bad reads and confusion?? Here he is actually providing some information and cars to argue back with facts.
Point me to the multiple reads he made. I didn’t see them.
Where does he mention me making multiple reads?
If anything, he's complimenting my lack of focus on reads.
It was suggested by the wording but was not explicitly stated. Regardless if MathBlade hates this catch-up style, I’m still doing it because it is what I am used to doing.
In post 263, Almost50 wrote:When was the last time he actually posted anything other than bad reads and confusion?? Here he is actually providing some information and cars to argue back with facts.
Point me to the multiple reads he made. I didn’t see them.
Where does he mention me making multiple reads?
If anything, he's complimenting my lack of focus on reads.
It was suggested by the wording but was not explicitly stated. Regardless if MathBlade hates this catch-up style, I’m still doing it because it is what I am used to doing.
Mathdino is not Mathblade, FYI
Posted: Sat May 05, 2018 2:06 am
by Ircher
That’s super irrelevant; when did you think I thought MathDino was MathBlade?
Posted: Sat May 05, 2018 2:10 am
by brassherald
In post 409, Ircher wrote:That’s super irrelevant; when did you think I thought MathDino was MathBlade?
When you called him MathBlade?
Posted: Sat May 05, 2018 2:11 am
by brassherald
I would think it's important to know who you are playing with.
Posted: Sat May 05, 2018 2:27 am
by mutantdevle
In post 406, The Janitor wrote:Wouldn't you think scum would want to pick it? It guarantees hitting a PR bar the redirector I think? As opposed to a vigilante which can a) hit Vanilla Town and b) can only be used N3. I guess Vengeful could be useful for both parties but picking vig would make more sense for town I think.
Vengeful has been in 7 PYP X/Y games. Of those, 57% (4) have been town.
Posted: Sat May 05, 2018 2:29 am
by mutantdevle
In post 406, The Janitor wrote:Why me then? Any opinions on what I posted? You didn't mention them, did you find my posts bad like the other people on my wagon?
Essentially the same reasons that Math has stated he is voting you tbh. Most of your early posts didn't seem to contribute anything and you seemed intent on picking apart ideas and things instead of contributing your own. I'm going to change my vote though.
In post 263, Almost50 wrote:When was the last time he actually posted anything other than bad reads and confusion?? Here he is actually providing some information and cars to argue back with facts.
Point me to the multiple reads he made. I didn’t see them.
Where does he mention me making multiple reads?
If anything, he's complimenting my lack of focus on reads.
It was suggested by the wording but was not explicitly stated. Regardless if MathBlade hates this catch-up style, I’m still doing it because it is what I am used to doing.
Actually, he was referring to how in past games I'd have bad reads and spend a lot of time being confused. He then complimented how I am providing information here through the knowledge I have of this setup's meta.
Posted: Sat May 05, 2018 2:44 am
by mutantdevle
In post 409, Ircher wrote:That’s super irrelevant; when did you think I thought MathDino was MathBlade?
VOTE: Ircher
You've been tingling my scum sensors ever since your second post but I decided not to vote you because I wanted to see where the janitor wagon would go.
This post bothers me because it reacts to brass' comment as though it was supposed to be game solving. Furthermore, the question here is phrased in a way that tries to appear like its game solving itself. Honestly, this just feels like scum trying to look busy.
Add that to how Ircher seems intent on shutting down any form of setup spec and seems to focus too much on other people's reads (in my opinion) and judge them based on that. That makes me comfortable with this vote.
Posted: Sat May 05, 2018 3:35 am
by Taly
There are a lot of posts with a good amount of information behind the explanation in their reads and pushes; but this is all at a fast pace with the game and skimming through this thread makes it hard for me to grasp onto the reads, specifically with the jumps in pushes here.
My posting style-meta is that I usually do 1-2 posts per day - and they hold a lot of content. Recently, I've been thinking that's not very viable with the pace in some games, and I want my thoughts to be as clear and easy-to-digest as possible.
So right now, I'm working to do conversational posts so it will be easier for me and others to sort the game.
Iconeum
is VLA. :/ I still want him to respond to me, but I'm not going to votepark here for much longer if he's 100% MIA.
Posted: Sat May 05, 2018 3:35 am
by Taly
Major Thoughts Since My Post + Some Quote Responses
In post 218, Taly wrote:7) 138 I'm not fond of this post, you quoted the worst several times and then didn't really elaborate on your thoughts or engage with questions, I don't see your thought process.
I'm not sure how far you caught up but what did you think about the way he pressured Janitor? (ʃ⌣́,⌣́ƪ)
178 is a lot of assumptions without engaging or asking questions. It strikes me as having an accusatory tone.
In post 261, Almost50 wrote:Of mutant is scum here, consider me overly impressed. I have never seen him look townier!
Yeah, I'm not understanding the
mutant
scumread. Page 10 seemed completely genuine with his engagement to the playerlist while he provided content and questioning.
Can someone explain their scumread on him? I don't see it.
Unlikely scum by draft: Ausuka, brassherald, Taly
Unlikely scum in general: Iconeum
To sort: Ircher, Lalendra
Probscum: Janitor, one of {A50, mutant}
Some of your reads seem dependent on the drafts still though, but we're 17 pages in. Could you elaborate on your
mutant
scumread, and your change in
Beefster
being scum?
~
Will look at
Ircher
in depth through a separate post, but I like that they're organizing their thoughts and are applying them to gain information.
Where's
brassherald
? I want him to post more that doesn't ring to me as fluff, and I'd like to see his assessment of the playerlist. Same goes for
Almost50
, I haven't much notable content through half-skim/half-read, and I don't know his thinking at that moment.
Also, why do people think
SIMYK
is an alt, and even if they were, why does it matter? They have a completely unique posting style on this site than what I know, so this is purely a fluff conversation. I will say, I do like their longer winded posts and they're well-reasoned in their thinking.
and the majority of my reads are not confident yet.
Posted: Sat May 05, 2018 5:52 am
by yessiree
Posted: Sat May 05, 2018 5:54 am
by Ausuka
16 is still terrible in ways I described earlier- Beefster accuses Mathdino of rolefishing, but if he really thought this was the case, he wouldn't have decided to claim Vanilla on page 1, a move I see as wifom. I also think that if Beefster was town scum would have picked up on this in a way they haven't so far. 77- Simyk, why do you refer to the Beefster wagon as a "thinly-veiled policy lynch"? It seems like nothing of the sort to me and I have to wonder how you came to that conclusion.
something seems to be missing from this description of the game
@janitor; If you believe Simyk has been posting lots of non-fluffy content, why doesn't that make her town to you?
In post 136, The Janitor wrote:I don't necessarily find Mathdino's actions scummy per second... It just bothered me as a weird way to get a TR. Which isn't all too scummy in itself
In post 221, Lalendra wrote:
Inclined to sheep you because you're always power-town and better at this game than I'll ever be
But curious -
^This preface to Lalendra's question to Mathdino makes it looks like she's trying to get on Mathdino's good side to me.
unsure if 255 makes me convinced on a50!scum but it definitely makes me think simyk is town.
In post 295, Mathdino wrote:your scumgame is not exclusively "i have a plan for how to deal with every player"
i don't know what you're asking me to see
Fine. You do you and I'll do me, then.
Just ftr, I won't vote outside Iconeum/The Janitor until they both flip.
Ok, this isn't the first time it's been brought up, but it's bothering me in general- why vote Iconeum d1? It seems like an objectively bad idea to me.
Ircher is not locktown to me and is therefore scummy.
In post 315, Ircher wrote:On a side note, minor scumread on MathDino right now—too much setup analysis and appeal to WIFOM as well as suggesting a policy lynch for no real reason other than disagreeing with when someone decides to claim. Not all antitown behaviors are worthy of policy lynches.
this is a really really bad post
yeah...
In post 405, brassherald wrote:
Her early posts are just a different feeling than I'm used to seeing from her as town. I remember read lists pretty early, quote walls early game, etc.
pretty weak. can you point me to some examples? additionally, doesn't the fact that I haven't really been active in the game so far give you pause on how much this meta applies?
I can read Ircherwell and Ithink this ishis scumgame. The way I read Ircher is simple; he has an unique personality as town, which he doesn't really emulate as scum; additionally, as town he is generally a good player who makes sense and has good reads but can do odd things; as scum, he is often quite nickpicky and flat. I think this game shows the latter. (Although now that I've said this I probably can't use it in future games with him... oh well)
VOTE: Ircher
Posted: Sat May 05, 2018 6:56 am
by The Janitor
Back tomorrow, sorry! Time to enjoy a free saturday night!
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