Newbie 1881 - Game Over

[nancy]

That was hyperbole, Oka, lol. If someone asks you not to hammer and you ignore their request and hammer, that's a pretty big fuck you gesture

[nancy]

Man I read iceman's hammer again and it's just so so fucking bad. Maybe I shouldn't clear him for being completely insane. Ughhhhh

Hey iceman, what scum did trinity's flip reveal?

Pedit I'm sorry what? I have emotions, Oka. Expressing emotions is not manipulation. I'm trying reaaaaally hard to keep it cool here despite how I tilted I am. Do not get what you are seeing at all

[nancy]

Like, Oka, do you understand how incredibly frustrating your play is for me right now? You tunneled on my strongest town read yesterday and convinced everyone that she was mafia to the point that even I doubted my read and started to wonder if I was being stupid. And then with WM's help I realized that no, I wasn't being stupid, but it was too late, you had already trashed her and there was nothing I could do. And then today you start pushing on me, of all people, and for nonsense reasons. After everything you did to trash day 1 for me. After I put more effort into the game than anyone else. Did more to solve than anyone else. Went through the trouble of getting to town on you. Are you actually trying to drive me insane, or what?

Pedit no dude. I don't get tilted as scum. I nearly replaced out during the night phase, my girlfriend tried to convince me to do it but I refused to because I have a stupid sense of obligation. I cried when trinity was getting lynched because I knew she was going to flip town and I was helpless to stop it and it's against my process to hard defend people on day 1. I lost my mind and started pushing on flicker, because i just couldn't deal. I am 100% done with this site and I'm leaving after this game because even newbie games aren't safe anymore. Like yeah I shouldn't be posting this because it's a bad example to set as IC and I'm supposed to the one in control but emotions are part of the game and it's incredibly insensitive of you to push on me after everything that's happened and then say that it's scummy that I'm frustrated

[nancy]

No, quick, I'm leaving because the site is so toxic it makes me toxic. I'm leaving because the only people who are left play like RC. I'm leaving because even newbies are toxic now and there's nothing good or safe left on the site.

What in the world does "doing it on purpose or something" mean?

It's depressing because WM is a friend, I love the way he plays and he was my rock this game.

[nancy]

No, quick, I'm leaving because the site is so toxic it makes me toxic. I'm leaving because the only people who are left play like RC. I'm leaving because even newbies are toxic now and there's nothing good or safe left on the site.

What in the world does "doing it on purpose or something" mean?

It's depressing because WM is a friend, I love the way he plays and he was my rock this game.

To be brutally honest here, the toxicity on this site probably has a lot to do with the leadership on this site. The meta they are trying to form is not really concerned with "hurt feeling" IMO. I find a lot of the people on this site to be kinda elitist pricks who are always reminiscing of the good old days, but I digress. It's too bad you have to leave. I think you have probably made this site more than it actually is. It's a site devoted to a game where people argue about stuff. Well, that's probably a pretty crude simplification of what some of the people on this site would say, but whatever.

By doing it on purpose, I feel like you are pushing a lot of different people intentionally. Like it's not just based on how you are feeling about things, but more like you are going into the game telling yourself it's some sort of goal to push anywhere and everywhere. Like it's a conscious effort rather than it happening naturally, for a very much lack of a better term.

Sorry WM left, it was probably him taking what I said about his game as me criticizing him. Sorry about that.

I mean, you're describing my day 1 town process. I push on everything to generate content. Day 1 is the most important phase of the game and is where you draw from to solve the game. If I still have question marks day 2 then I'll push more, sure, but at this point it's about using the content that's already in the game and clearing up the last of the question marks.

[nancy]

@FF who's scum, friend

[nancy]

@Oka if you want to make up for your tunnel on trinity, go back through day 1, look at how people interacted with your tunnel and see if you find anything slimy

[nancy]

Honestly, I don't know what to do anymore.

If nancy is indeed town, then I guess I'm a major asshole, being the cause of making her cry and leave this site after this game because of my play. I just don't know if I can handle that. But if I let that influence my decision to play this game, I feel like then I'm no longer adequately playing to my wincon.

This situation with nancy has already compromised my ability to play this game to the best of my ability in a way. I have thoughts I want to put down, things I want to say, but I'm worried that in the potential situation that nancy is town, I'm probably just going to make her feel worse and just be a bigger ass.

So yeah I just made a post announcing I'm going to be useless. Hope the rest of town can sort this out. There should be 4 fully capable town players still.

Fuck, man. I'm sorry. Just talk about your reads. But yeah I'm town I think I've been blatantly town all game. I don't position myself in thread the way that I have this game as mafia, ever. I don't put all this work into solving the game. I let town eat themselves alive. I shove the lynch on you rather than let it go on trinity because vocal townies are dangerous. I don't kill Flicker of all people, especially not when I have a pr read on quick. I'm like, the only person in this game trying to hold things together. I'm losing my shit on an emotional level and that's bad of me and I'm sorry. I really don't get how you can ever scum read me, and yeah if you genuinely think that you need to reassess. I think you and iceman are just frustrated and are taking it out on the person you feel is to blame for your misfortune. Well, I think I have the game solved, I wasn't the cause of what happened yesterday, so like, I don't know what to tell you.

[nancy]

If you didn't tunnel and cleaned up your process some you'd be a fine player.

[nancy]

Am looking forward to hearing where you're at when you're done catching up Sky. That was a super fast read of 50 pages.

[nancy]

We can discuss and go in-depth on my convoluted thought process post-game.

I'm pretty sure I'm not making any posts post-game, and I don't really see any reason why to wait. I'm not even particularly interested in understanding you at this point, I've locked you as town, I've also locked you as somehow who is basically anathema to me, I don't think you're ever going to change even if the game ends and all my town reads were correct and you have no basis left to think that your playstyle is remotely optimal. Not much more to say, I'm just going to do what I can to convince people that eragon is mafia and hope that I'm right and finish my obligation to this game.

[nancy]

@FF I hope you don't think it's unreasonable of me to expect more from you here. I think you're decently likely to be mafia here, if you're town then either quick is mafia or one of my town reads is incorrect. Who do you think that would be and why? Also, I don't think you've pointed anything out from quick that can't come from town so if you think he's mafia could you please like, bring everything to the table? Would really like to read you town here if you are town.

[nancy]

Yeah, we probably should have just lynched Oka instead yesterday. His VT claim means we didnt out a PR and that we wont be losing one. We would have gotten some info and been in much of the same position today, but maybe with more people now townreading trinity... i dunno.

I swear I've read this post like 8 times and I still don't understand it lol

[nancy]

I’m not going to make a grumble rant post.

If nancy is town, she probably won’t read any of my apology posts post-game so I might as well make this post now if she is town.

Sorry nancy, sorry that I’ve been getting under your skin, I’m sorry.
I’m sorry that I’ve been pushing your buttons and just pissing you off in general to the point where it bleeds into real life. But honestly, real life takes precedent over this game. If you truly feel the way you feel, I recommend you replace out of this game. You have no obligation to play this game if this game is taking such an emotional toll on you. If you are on the verge of tears from actions that happen in this game because I misplayed, then its not worth it man. Its not worth getting so emotional over a game with people you probably will never talk to again.

Nancy, I’m just an internet stranger. I’m just some random kid over the internet when in 10 years, you won’t talk to, nor would you remember. If I’m really hurting you that much emotionally to the point where your girlfriend begs you to stop playing, then just stop playing man. I don’t know much about relationships (I’m a teenager who plays mafia in his spare time lol), but I sure as hell know that its not worth harming your relationship with people you love because of some random idiots who are playing a game. I realize you’ve invested dozens of hours into solving and playing this game, but remember this is just a game. It’s a game where we want to have fun, but you are obviously not enjoying yourself if you are getting depressed because of it. You don’t have an obligation to this game if this game is hurting you so much irl. Nancy, you are a grown ass woman with responsibilities, you have a family you need to show affection to. Me? Biggest responsibility I have is writing essays for college. I don’t matter to you in the grand scheme of things, but your girlfriend does. She loves you and you love her, why even hurt that relationship because of some kid on the internet?

Also, please don’t leave this site because of people like me. I’m a minority in this website. Yes, we are a vocal minority on this site, but we are a minority. Not everyone is an asshole like me, there are plenty more genuinely good people on this site who help make this site a beautiful website, people like you.

You're a sweetheart. And yeah maybe I should have subbed out. But I'm not tilted anymore, I got it out of my system I guess. And it's like, not just you. It's the whole game. And this doesn't happen on other sites, like at all. Anyway sorry for losing my shit.


We should lynch Eragon. He's literally always scum unless all my reads are wrong. Oka is always town, I'm never wrong on that read in this game, iceman is like, 99% town, would bet the game on him being town, WM/Sky is also like 98% town, would also bet the game on the slot being town. Quick and FF are probably never a team, I wouldn't bet the game on that unalignment and would lynch them both before any of Sky/Ice/Oka, but I believe it enough to think that the game is exactly 1 of quick/FF + eragon and we should lynch eragon today then solve in the pair of them tomorrow.

[nancy]

So I don't get it. We've a melt down because why? I'm seriously not trying to be harsh but..... I'm struggling to understand how two players voting someone means the sky is falling. Maybe, I'm just being insensitive but, I'm really trying to understand.

I'm down for a Nancy lynch or an Eragon lynch. I'm not convinced on Quick yet.

If you think that it was because I got 2 votes then yeah you don't get it.

[nancy]

Sky, make post about reads please. Reasoning.

Also, Iceman is lock town.

[nancy]

God I hate playing from my phone.

[nancy]

Also... I don't think I'm actually out of my scum range. I don't remember all of my posts and there might be points where I pass it but idts. I would even make those ate posts as mafia tbqh. I don't really have a scum range, that's not how you read me. I'm town because the way I've played would be beyond stupid if I were mafia, I could literally never end game with that day 1.

[nancy]

I need more words from WhyMafia about how his read on Oka changed and why he dropped his push to go onto Eragon because the way that played out feels like he was a spinning top that lost momentum and clinked to a halt against the tabletop and the sound of the clink is the sound I hear in my dreams when I think about scum.

Hm. I'm tempted to say this post might be out of my scum range.

I don't think it actually is, but it's probably closer than any other post I've made.

My read flip on Oka would never happen if I were mafia though. There's nothing I like more than getting into an extended 1v1 with a vocal townie to make everyone read me as town, even if I don't even want them lynched.

[nancy]

@nancy,

Is this how you want us to play? To point out how we are Town? Sorta seems somewhat semantical to say "I am Town for XYZ reasons.." *shrug*

Lmao no, I'm just musing to myself

[nancy]

Also, sky said incorrect things and I wanted to correct her.

Pedit I wrote a post about it earlier. I honestly can't go over my read on him even for myself until tomorrow when I get my laptop back (at least I hope it's tomorrow) so it's like, he's poopy, I have town reads, die, etc.

[nancy]

Oh hey, iceman still didn't talk about what scum got revealed from his hammer. Fancy that

[nancy]

me wait for u to have laptop back to write new post because me not convinced anymore

me thinks that formerfish no put in good effort into solve game

me thinks formerfish is scum

Me also thinks FF scum

Me wait ff make day 2 post

Me need laptop to remember unaligned reads and go over things properly

[nancy]

Maybe iceman was referring to himself!!!!

[nancy]

Ftr the thing I was scum reading flicker for wasn't necessarily bad reasoning, was just a false positive because newbies are weird. That's actually a useful thing to look out for when you're in a game with experienced players. I have no idea how to read newbies or people on ms in general, you guys are whack as shit

Pedit I think I'd rather have the hammer so that we don't have a repeat of day 1

[nancy]

Votecount 2.06

nancy (2) -

OkaPoka, IcemanCh

Eragon (1) -

nancy

OkaPoka (1) -

WhyMafia

Quick (1) -

Eragon

Not Voting (2) -

Quick, Formerfish

With 7 players alive it takes 4 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 2 is in (expired on 2018-07-31 17:20:00).

Is plenty of time before deadline

I think your reasoning for scum reading him is bad, fwiw

Regardless of whether you're correct in this game or not, it's bad. You scum read trinity because she didn't play in the way you wanted her to. You're scum reading FF because he's not playing in the way that you want him to. Like, if the dude wants to change his meta to be less aggressive, let him change his meta, find a different way to get a read on him

Pedit no I'm not, lmao, was joke

[nancy]

a lot of ff's play this game has lined up with his play from the first game i was in with him

More words would be good. He's one of two lynch candidates for today, if you genuinely think he's town you need to help everyone else see it, big time

[nancy]

Pedit no I'm not, lmao, was joke

i almost caught u, u wily scum, watch out

That kind of insane read flip would actually be indicative of my town game :V

[nancy]

me ask nancy

what is scummy ?

In general?

There's no such thing. I used to think there was. There's just, reading people's posts, figuring out if you can believe them making that post as town, and gradually getting a feel for their alignment.

[nancy]

me think its possible for any alignment to make any post tho

me confused

me need example

It's hard on my phone.

Scum can't make a lot of posts that town can make, because they know everyone's alignment and they have to lie any time they talk about reads and they have to lynch town to win. Like, most people aren't as good at lying as I am. This is part of why it's important for town to play in a way that is hard for scum to fake.

I've kind of gone over this earlier in the game though, I think. Let me check

[nancy]

Oh wait I just realized iceman just made the perfect post for this

[nancy]

Here are my horriable reads at the moment.

Oka - Town. Blew my mind too but yea. I'm feeling oka as town right now. I don't know why but, the post about Eragon just made sense to me and things like that tend to make me think town.
Eragon - Scum. It's pretty scummy IMO to not vote until everyone else does. Get in there and get messy. Stop sitting on the sidelines. Scum sits on sidelines.
FF - Scum. I always get suspicious of people defending me. Sorry, I tried not to feel scummy about it but now I do. Plus while I get what you're saying about your play from previous games you have to understand that it's all I have to go on.
Nancy - Scum. Leading town around even subconsciously is pretty scummy. I will say this. Anyone who uses my entire spiel about the IC being suspicious had better drop it. I don't care what read I have on Nancy. If scum takes me to LyLo I'm going to be sheeping her 100%. No questions. Whatever she votes I vote. So don't you dare take me to LyLo.
WhyMafia - Town. This one is harder to explain. Call it gut. I hate calling it gut though cause as a townie I should be able to logically explain where I'm at. I can't though.....
Quick - Town. I want to say scum but I can't. I think Quick's approach is so different from my own that I want to call him scum for it but he's been 100% consistent with it and I have to sit back and say that there isn't actually anything scummy there.

So Oka this post is like, the quintessential twtbaw post. There's no possible way to read into this other than by reading into mindset, by thinking about how self-aware iceman is about how scummy he is coming across and how much he would avoid giving off that scent as mafia.

And when I read this post, I see a lot of markers telling me that he's pretty darn self-aware, and I am making the educated guess that based on his earlier posting he thinks a lot of this would come across as scummy. The biggest one is is the whole "I scum read nancy but will 100% sheep her in lylo". It is so unbelievably scummy and he's so aware of it that it just makes no sense for him to post that as a wolf.

The read flip on you, "I know, it blew my mind too", "I tried not to feel scummy about you", "I hate calling it gut", is all like, really self aware commentary that is all super wolfy but like, ends up feeling to me like he wouldn't let his posts be that bad as a wolf.

Regardless of whether my read on him here is right (maybe I'm overleveling and he's Actually Just A Wolf), that's the kind of process you have to go through in reading into mindset and figuring out if the post makes sense from them as town. Just dig into a post and see if you think they believe the stuff they're saying, see if there's any wolf agenda, ask yourself what are they doing here in the big picture, are they solving the game or they are faking it?

[nancy]

Eragon explain how FF town make quick scum pls?

[nancy]

FF could you talk about iceman/wm/sky when you get a chance tomorrow? Could use a sanity check on my town reads there

[nancy]

Also Oka may be insane yes but the kid's town, I'll try to write up words on my read there for you when I get a laptop if you need but there's just no way mafia is ever this ever present and free flowing, he's made more a more sense process-wise as the game has progressed and yeah his tunnels are atrocious but they're not scum flavored, he'd have to be a genius to be playing on this level as mafia (he's not).

[nancy]

He thinks I'm scum because I unvoted when I thought eragon was at L-1.

Also, eragon isn't at l-1 iceman.

[nancy]

TLDR: If Nancy and Eragon are scum then it makes sense for her vote to be on him right now instead of one of the other wagons. I don't see her ever lynching Quick. The only real option would be FF. I don't see her letting Eragon get lynched just yet either unless town really picked up steam on scum reading him and getting on it.

The only problem with your nancy going after FF theory is that nancy has been hard Town reading FF pretty much all game.

Lol.

@Sky am waiting patiently in that FF case

[nancy]

Would eragon and FF vote together on two different occasions? : thinking:

[nancy]

I'm gonna be pretty impressed if WM was mafia. I think I need to look up some of his scum games to see if I'm reading him on the wrong level here

I mean it can still just be eragon/quick, sure


Don't mind me, just leaking some random nonsense thoughts

[nancy]

Eragon, where are you getting this "I proved my town meta" stuff? I read the game you linked and immediately pointed out that you made a serious vote early in the game in like your 5th post.

Oka, I'm probably going to put FF to L-1 if he doesn't talk about his reads and such in the way that he said he would. You can't just soft PR and expect people to leave you alone because of it.

[nancy]

Scum are going to notice it 100% of the time, it's very very obvious. It doesn't affect my read on him, is what I'm saying.

[nancy]

Eragon, where are you getting this "I proved my town meta" stuff? I read the game you linked and immediately pointed out that you made a serious vote early in the game in like your 5th post.

Oka, I'm probably going to put FF to L-1 if he doesn't talk about his reads and such in the way that he said he would. You can't just soft PR and expect people to leave you alone because of it.

im not sure if you realized it but the person in question was at L-2 within 5 pages and 4 hours of day start...

5/7 votes were on him in that time

meaning 5 people voted him

meaning something was pretty obvious

I realized, yes. Idt it's relevant

[nancy]

i dunno about that one nancy, formerfish basically soft claimed cop before and told us who was inno and we had a page of being awkward and scum didn't end up noticing so yeah

Lmao

[nancy]

My laptop is still in the shop

[nancy]

Absolute unhappiness

[nancy]

I don't understand how you think he's shading people in the posts you labeled as shade or just overall how the stuff you pointed out lead you to a scum read at all. This feels a lot like your trinity iso and more like an excuse to hop on the wagon than you actually believing that he's mafia.

[nancy]

I think it also describes quick's play pretty well. Can't remember a single thing he's done all game except tunnel on ff. I'm still waiting to hear back from Sky on FF and... I'm waiting to hear back from FF on, well, everyone.

Am kind of unsettled that they both are just not around when we're this close to deadline.

You should probably claim, FF. There's not enough time to risk cutting it any closer, I think.

If I don't get my laptop back tomorrow I'll spend some time in the library to go over stuff.

[nancy]

Ummmmmm

Ok

Talk about your eragon and quick reads please!

[nancy]

Also, that is L-1 on eragon

[nancy]

I saw someone talkign about my tone, well take this as you will, but im trying to be nicer and calmer playing FM

on my Home site i can get a bit riled up and sarcastic and jerky and annoying, and this annoys me as well.
Coming to a new site, a fresh start, i am trying to be calmer. I can see where this can seem like im trying to avoid conflict/stay under the radar, so i suppose i cant have both worlds be perfect. Im still gonna try to be calm, but i will also push and prod people to help me soldiify my reads

Catching up now

I saw someone talkign about my tone, well take this as you will, but im trying to be nicer and calmer playing FM

on my Home site i can get a bit riled up and sarcastic and jerky and annoying, and this annoys me as well.
Coming to a new site, a fresh start, i am trying to be calmer. I can see where this can seem like im trying to avoid conflict/stay under the radar, so i suppose i cant have both worlds be perfect. Im still gonna try to be calm, but i will also push and prod people to help me soldiify my reads

Catching up now

I'm saying you're tonally off in that sense. Like yeah, it gave me that impression, but I haven't seen that pushing or prodding. You've been passive and all your questions seem superficial. To me, you're coasting and giving an illusion of participating. You called people scummy, but then become wishy washy. Case in point, your reads list. Most of your reads are null/slightly scummy. The person who you seemed to shade, Flicker, you didn't even announce as scum? You never gave an actual read (unless I'm blind) and despite alluding to her being scum, and you being confident, I don't see that drive to see her lynched. Thus, you are scum

Oh my god I forgot about this post

I'm kind of in "fuck this no laptop thing I need to do things in the game now" mode and I'm going over my unaligned reads and I have Sky/Eragon, FF/Quick, so if I take Oka and Iceman out of the picture I have possible teams of

Sky/Quick
Eragon/Quick
Sky/FF
Eragon/FF

Meaning if FF is town and my town reads are correct then quick is always mafia.

Quick scum lines up with the NK, his play makes more sense coming from scum, kinda think if FF is actually a pr here then we kill through quick/sky/eragon, ummmm I should look at quick/eragon to see if I can find anything unaligned there (wm/quick interactions can easily be w/w)

My kingdom for a computer

[nancy]

Eragon: PoE factors a huge part into it. I also don't like how he gets real fence-sitty with trinity coming off of a townread right around the same time everybody else starts voting for trinity. Like, all he does is point out her defensiveness, every time making a point to say "it looks natural though", but winds up L-1ing trinity anyways. Like, it looks like he wants to cover his tracks knowing she's going to flip town by softening his scumread periodically. He did the same thing in the other game I played with him where he flipped scum, withholding voting for a decent chunk of time, voting for newbie lynchbait D1, softening it by saying "well they are a newbie, though."

I feel like you're just saying the things that I dislike about him without really taking about why what he has since in this game comes from mafia or presenting any original thought that would tell me you have thought through this read yourself. Also like, saying that he's scum because of stuff he did in another game is really scummy, your approach to him is angle city.

[nancy]

Wow my phone really butchered that.

[nancy]

Actually my antialigns mean that regardless of ff's claim we should lynch in quick/FF today since there's always 1 between them

Um, I should make doubly sure that I can lock eragon/sky as never the team first

[nancy]

Remind me where that vote happened?

Um, I don't know what to make of you saying you haven't seen me talk about any of that stuff. I just brought it up again on this exact page. Literally everything you wrote are things that I have brought up before. That's either extreme mindmeld or extreme pocketing, and you're telling me you haven't read any of my posts about eragon at all??? Ahhhhhhhh

[nancy]

Okay so if there's a doctor they should counter claim FF in their next post, any other role can exist with doctor. If FF is true claiming then we're in any of A2, A3, b3, or c3.

It also means that if FF is fake claiming we're probably not in column a because scum would generally want to fake claim something with a low chance of being counter claimed and 2/3 setups in column a would have FF being counter claimed right now. So scum probably have a rolecop or 2 goons.

[nancy]

FF, talk about your reads please? Respond to the questions I asked?

[nancy]

Everyone needs to come in and respond to the claim, and no one is allowed to hammer anything, not even if you're counter claiming

[nancy]

I ran through eragon and I actually have him as decently unaligned with both sky and quick so I think he's probably a suboptimal lynch here from that perspective, I would really want to go over it properly on a computer (can do that at library tomorrow) but I think I prefer a quick lynch here with no cc. Eragon should definitely claim though, yes.

[nancy]

I have no response to his claim at this moment.

Implying you might at a later moment?

[nancy]

I mean I've kind of hated the way quick has played this game, my antialigns point to him being always mafia, I've been reading him as pr or scum, the only reason I've town read him at all this game is because of his tantrums which is terrible reasoning, so yeah I think he's a better lynch than eragon.

Vote: Quick

[nancy]

I think the team is probably quick/sky? I'm having a hard time seeing quick and eragon as the team with the way they've interacted

[nancy]

Because I have a bunch of reasons to be super paranoid about sky bit I don't scum read her, because there are more worlds for me where quick is Mafia regardless of my reads, and also because I have quick and iceman as never the team so if quick flips scum I can lock that slot as town and also feel a lot better about eragon

[nancy]

Oka my case is that he's done nothing town. Bam.

Also his tunnel on FF has been unbelievable. He has been calling FF scum all game with no actual reasoning for his read and when I called him on this he told me he wasn't going to talk with me. That doesn't feel to me like the way someone behaves if they care about figuring out the game

[nancy]

Quick is town because he has done more interaction and content driving than some others in this town so he gets points for that

and i don't have a good reason to scumread him

I don't really think that's true? What has he done other than tunnel FF?

And he has literally nothing to say about the game right now?

[nancy]

ASDFASDFA

what has skygazer done!!!!!!!!??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

I mean, dude, if quick flips scum here then I think we lynch sky tomorrow, and if he flips town we probably still lynch sky tomorrow, but there are worlds where sky is town for me and I don't have any where quick is town

Pedit I would love to share memes but I'm on my phone so my hands are pretty tied, rip, I hope you feel better

[nancy]

i mean what has whymafia done other then tunnel me and make a case day 2 and drop off

the skygazer/whymafia slot is guilty of the same crimes quick but worse

at least quick is interacting with formerfish

That's true about the interactions

They've felt more like an excuse to not be doing anything than actually doing something, though

And like, they're not good interactions, they're pretty gross

Do you disagree with that?

[nancy]

@eragon @quick you both need to claim asap

Also, anyone hammering please make sure that everyone is okay with a hammer before dropping it

I'd personally rather wait until as close to deadline as possible

[nancy]

what crimes has quick committed that skygazer is not more guilty of es mi pregunta

i want to lynch the other direction(sky then quick), im still intending to hammer quick today im just hoping maybe we can shift this over to the much superior target

pedit: i guess they are gross but ive done similar interactions to quick v formerfish that was tvt

I really liked the way WM came in and talked with me about trinity day 1. Sure, maybe that could have been tmi talking, and maybe I liked it more than should have because he helped me find my sanity again when no one else would, but I still liked it. That was the basis of my TR there

[nancy]

@eragon @quick you both need to claim asap

Also, anyone hammering please make sure that everyone is okay with a hammer before dropping it

I'd personally rather wait until as close to deadline as possible

I was just getting ready to point out that Eragon slipped by.

Also, I'm good with the hammer.

Also, it feels like towns working together. I"m very happy about this.

Heh, and here I thought you'd be hating me for moving off the l-1 eragon wagon

[nancy]

Mmmmmm

I think the game is on mech lock atm

[nancy]

@eragon @quick you both need to claim asap

Also, anyone hammering please make sure that everyone is okay with a hammer before dropping it

I'd personally rather wait until as close to deadline as possible

I was just getting ready to point out that Eragon slipped by.

Also, I'm good with the hammer.

Also, it feels like towns working together. I"m very happy about this.

Heh, and here I thought you'd be hating me for moving off the l-1 eragon wagon

Your reasons made sense.

You are so creepy

[nancy]

@eragon @quick you both need to claim asap

Also, anyone hammering please make sure that everyone is okay with a hammer before dropping it

I'd personally rather wait until as close to deadline as possible

I was just getting ready to point out that Eragon slipped by.

Also, I'm good with the hammer.

Also, it feels like towns working together. I"m very happy about this.

Heh, and here I thought you'd be hating me for moving off the l-1 eragon wagon

Your reasons made sense.

You are so creepy

What did I do to be creepy?

Emoticons lmao

Also you've been way more chilled out about everything in the past 24 hours or so. Which is nice, but... Creepy

[nancy]

Also yeah mass claim sounds like a decent idea

We can do it popcorn style, after eragon claims he can ask someone to claim, then they claim and ask someone else, etc

[nancy]

@mod

could you manually prod eragon please?

[nancy]

I really think we should mass claim

[nancy]

It's not exactly optimal but there are enough claims already out there that I think after eragon's claim if he is town they will just be able to poe down the other town pr, so I don't think we're losing anything by putting the information out there and what we're losing is, well, information, which is always a good thing for town

[nancy]

What we're gaining is information*

[nancy]

Considering there's been one other soft out there (can't remember who) then I think it's obvious that if there's some other PR out there then they should softclaim to help with PoE

Clears are also v useful obviously

See if you can find who? If you have role reads that can also be useful to parse claims

[nancy]

Well, we clearly don't have a guilty, or else we would have heard about it already.

I don't get how this is what you're posting when you're on the verge of being lynched

[nancy]

I'm the Neaplotain, N1 Oka VT, N2 Sky VT

Vote: Eragon

Game is mechanically won, we lynch Eragon then Iceman if the game doesn't end.

[nancy]

THATS WHY YOU CONF TOWNED ME

fucking a i thought you gave up on fighting me so i was like this is scum lmaoooo

VOTE: eragon

heh

yeah

i wanted to check iceman but you were so contentious i just couldn't check anywhere else

[nancy]

Heh, that was hammer. PM the mod for accelerated night please.

[nancy]

Or the game is just over?

[nancy]

GG. Thanks for modding, Micc.

Sorry for losing my shit everyone.

[nancy]

The last time I townread mafia was January of this year. I think if you have less reliable townreads then playing the way I do, via PoE and process-heavy reads, may not be as successful for you, but I still think that my current style of play is optimal to any other style of play that I have seen and I think that there is a reason why I am considered one of the best scumhunters on my homesite and eat N1 kills basically always. I'm talking myself up because I want you to play like this and get away from the messy, level 0 process play that is typical of mafiascum.

I was messy at times and made mistakes and had some moments where I really went crazy like my readflip on Flicker and that wasn't good, don't do those things.

[nancy]

ahh i suck at typing and things

yo why the nk on flicker

we Were actually gonna NK FF, but then we realized that would incriminate Quick(not that it needed up mattering) but

"Reason being is that this will throw a lot of WIFOM into the game if people are trying to figure out why Flicker was killed."

As mafia you need to kill the people who are the most dangerous to your endgame. You need to be able to read the room to see who is the biggest threat, who is going to see through your manipulation and lies, who is going to get town to work together, who is going to prevent you from sowing chaos, who could be a power role. Oka wouldn't have been a good nightkill, he was chaos personified, was tunneling townies + defending Quick, and had claimed VT. Flicker and Iceman also softed VT (and were also low-impact villagers anyway). You should have been shooting in Why/FF, you can't risk shooting me because of protection. If you had a roleblock then roleblock me, shoot in Why/FF or roleblock in Why/FF, shoot at me.

Honestly this setup is extremely townsided, it's kind of shocking. On my homesite we would give scum a roleblocker and a rolecop at least to go up against an unrestricted doctor and neapolitan combo.

[nancy]

o/