Open 735: Watchmen Wanted - Game Over!

[Toranaga]

I ISO'd sesq and it's a lot of self contradictory posting that IDK if it's scummy or towny or what

[Toranaga]

"He’s carrying himself with this “I don’t give a shit about this game, but if I did I could easily gamesolve the whole thing” attitude."

toranaga bless

[Toranaga]

hot take: we need to hammer Sesq who will do nothing to defend themselves or flashwagon volxen who is one rung townier and will become extremely obvious later if scum

VOTE: volxen

volxen made a lot of scumsplaining and description posts that added no leans and didn't help the game move forward. I think he has a bigger chance of being scum than sesq who is probably kind of... incoherent? regardless of what they rand.

[Keyser Söze]

Sesq isn't a terrible lynch, but the way it built up didn't make much sense either. It seemed mostly based on their play here not lining up with their town meta, which sort of makes sense but unless their play here is similar to their scum game it might just be NAI. A lot of players have talked about their lack of motivation in this game, and it's debatable how much of this is genuine or just an excuse but it's wide-spread enough to where I can see Sesq just not being at their A-game this game. Just looking at this game specifically, I'm struggling to see a definite scum agenda to their play. I'm annoyed by their limited scum-reads and coasting behavior, but at the same time they clearly don't care about the impression they give off and they're not super motivated to start a counter-wagon, even going as far as to town-read volxen. It almost feels like they're playing to get lynched in some aspects, which honestly does make some sense as a scum play-style, but I'm kind of iffy on it.

Pretty much where I ended up on Sesq.

[Keyser Söze]

Top scum read Keyser Söze. I really didn't like his attack on Reundo's first posts, particularly post 51. It was over the top and came across as an attempt to get the pressure off himself (although the pressure seemed to be dying down at that point).

It was over-the-top and defensive, but that demonstrates how much I hated how that whole "driving discussion away" from hypo-claiming scum narrative.

Would you not agree my persistent (and emotional) stand to not engage discussion about my page 1 question would actually do the opposite of

'get the pressure off himself'

(as it was the very thing that pinged many players). I could have just talked about hypo-claiming and the setup for the first 10 pages and not stirred up any bad attention.

[Keyser Söze]

i am going to create a very unexpected wagon that nobody will expect

Don't post this then run away for another 48 hours.

What are you doing? Offer up some thoughts/reads...

Do you realise you will be lynched leaving it this late?

[the worst]

I'm down. righteous af flashwagon

VOTE: volxen

anyone who doesn't vote volxen in their next post is scum with him tbqh

[Keyser Söze]

@Flicker

When is the actual D1 deadline?

[Ausuka]

VOTE: volxen
i heard this is the new cool wagon to be on.

[the worst]

VOTE: volxen
i heard this is the new cool wagon to be on.

damn right

[Huntress]

how do you feel about our leading wagons of volxen and sesq? any townreads?

I'm ok with a volxen lynch, sesq preferably not as I haven't seen anything yet there that feels scum to me. I'm leaning town on Irrelephant and Reundo. Undecided about the rest so far.

Need to double-check but I think volxen is L-1 now.

[Flicker]

Votecount 1.14

volxen (6)

- Reundo 220, Sesq 222, Keyser Söze 224, Toranaga 402, the worst 406, Ausuka 408

Sesq (3)

- Dunnstral 117, northsidegal 307, volxen 330

Keyser Söze (1)

- Huntress 393

Toranaga (1)

- Irrelephant11 255

Huntress (1)

- Eragon 194

Not voting: N/A

The deadline for Day 1 is 1:52 pm CT on Tuesday, September 4, in (expired on 2018-09-04 14:51:53).

Mod notes

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  @Keyser Soze
  : The deadline in this vote count and the first post of the thread are both current and accurate.

[Irrelephant11]

Intent to hammer before deadline
Volxen, if you see this, claim

[Irrelephant11]

ehhhh how useful is claim if we all know what scum will claim and cc'ing is a bad idea
hm

[Huntress]

It was over-the-top and defensive, but that demonstrates how much I hated how that whole "driving discussion away" from hypo-claiming scum narrative.

Would you not agree my persistent (and emotional) stand to not engage discussion about my page 1 question would actually do the opposite of 'get the pressure off himself' (as it was the very thing that pinged many players). I could have just talked about hypo-claiming and the setup for the first 10 pages and not stirred up any bad attention.

Why was the fact that Reundo joined in the conversation

in his first post

such a problem for you? You asked him a couple of questions which seemed reasonable enough, then after realising it had been his first post you voted him - for that? Before he had a chance to answer you.

Why did him not having "charged feelings", after just two pages, frustrate/intrigue you? Why did his second post seem "lazy" to you?

And no; if you'd just talked about hypo-claiming and the setup for the first 10 pages you would definitely have attracted attention.

[Eragon]

Welp, im awake my dudes(even though it doesnt matter[yee-haw]) and on a quick ISO scan(read: 1 minute read through) of both sesq and volxen.

I want some of what Sesq is smokin

and Volxen's ISO is a total pain to read and way too long.

yippee.

[Irrelephant11]

@eragon and huntress

How do you read each other?

[Eragon]

their entire slot or just them?

[Irrelephant11]

we've got a couple hours might as well use 'em

Anyone else around?

@Huntress, what would you say if I told you scummy word choices were a reason to townread Keyser?

pedit: whatever you're thinking

[Eragon]

we've got a couple hours might as well use 'em

Anyone else around?

@Huntress, what would you say if I told you scummy word choices were a reason to townread Keyser?

pedit: whatever you're thinking

Spoiler:

i mean, there 4 posts dont really have much to read off, tbh id read them more off the flips.

If volxen is town then i might look at them/sesq a bit more, but if Volxen is mafia i think huntress is going to be quite towny.
i know bussing is a possibility, but how easy is it to just come in, state intent to hammer, and vote sesq?
Instead, they came into the thread, gave a few starting reads, then said they dont want a sesq lynch and voted Keyzer.
then said they're fine with volxen, but preferably not sesq, so more defending sesq, who was at (L-1 was it?) and a few more reads.

so if i had to make a read right now i think id give them a town lean for their posts

[Irrelephant11]

hmmm okay, I like the thought process there

did you do a readslist yet?

[Irrelephant11]

nvm you didn't
Why is the worst town, though?

[Eragon]

ISO scan/skim

[Eragon]

not really much, but i just read through it and dont want them lynched yet

[Keyser Söze]

Why was the fact that Reundo joined in the conversation

in his first post

such a problem for you? You asked him a couple of questions which seemed reasonable enough, then after realising it had been his first post you voted him - for that? Before he had a chance to answer you.

In that moment I thought it was scum-Reundo trying to dig up something I felt was non-alignment indicative. I concluded it was an awkward/weird angle to come into the game as town, hence the quick vote.

Why did him not having "charged feelings", after just two pages, frustrate/intrigue you? Why did his second post seem "lazy" to you?

RE: "charged feelings", as I said earlier I was paranoid he was scum finding it hard to chew on anything meaningful, and instead chose to nibble on fluff: open game/hypo-claiming/scum day chat.
RE: lazy, just the way he was equating defensiveness = scummy.

And no; if you'd just talked about hypo-claiming and the setup for the first 10 pages you would definitely have attracted attention.

Well.. maybe 10 pages was bit of an exaggeration (but it did linger too long for my own liking), but if I was scum I would have definitely been more passive and helpful to deflect votes/attention from myself.


In the end, I realised I was the person to blame for all this fluff/mess, so those scum-feels slowly faded. Reundo has since then been sharing thoughts I too share, so he has redeemed himself IMO, and is no longer a threat but a teammate.