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In post 400, Lamees wrote:I can see why you would push the fact thatnI'm "anti town" all game. So that you can shift blame later on.

In post 411, Auro wrote:Ariane, you were gonna post some thoughts yourself..?
Only thing discouraging me from going ahead with Volxen is Lamees' attempts to rush it.

In post 409, Flavor Leaf wrote:Super busy, slight VLA until Monday, but I’ll still be able to like ‘post’. Maybe even often sometimes, but I am going out of town.

Also busy today last minute for having to help setup some thanksgiving stuff at a buddy’s.

I think my last bigger post is better reasons for ScumVolxen than the other stuff I was going to point out, but I can put together a case, but I think things have just evolved past that.

My last Volxen post blows my case out of the water for explaining why he’s likely scum

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Lamees could be doing it as scum, sure, but at the moment, I don’t have any reason to believe so, and I can see genuine townie reactions in her posts. If enough actions happen that shows otherwise, then yeah, get on her.

I’m happy with Volxen

In post 361, volxen wrote:

In post 360, Flavor Leaf wrote:The OMGUS.

I believe there to be scum on the Auro wagon alongside the Me wagon.

You have officially become the first person to be on both the Auro wagon and now the Me wagon. I don’t think Lamees does this bit she’s been doing as scum. I know I’m town. I understood what Auro said about snowbeast seeming newb town.

That effectively leaves you, and now as a defense you’re pushing me again as an OMGUS and forcing a 1v1.

Also, your posting towards me completely leaves out the scum motivation of me unvoting Auro as the second biggest wagon, effectively collapsing his wagon, where I didn’t push Lamees even though she was pushing me as scummy for reasons other has stated were not scummy, alongside your mention of saying it’s “highly unlikely” that both Auro and myself are both town.

If that’s how you feel, why did you switch from Auro to me? Auro was the leading wagon.

You are acting like me being scum is the only explanation for both Auro's wagon and your wagon. It's not.

First of all, you never even got up to L-1. Only Auro did. These were the wagon compositions when both of your wagons were at their highest points:

Auro (L-1): volxen, Flavor Leaf, Lamees, snowbeast

Flavor Leaf (L-2): Ariane, Auro, Not_Mafia

I was not on your original wagon when you got up to L-2. There is no one who was on both of your wagons at their highest points.

And beyond that, your wagon only got up to L-2. Why are you convinced there had to be scum on your wagon with only three voters on you? If you got up to L-1 then I would agree it's highly likely that there was scum on your wagon, and I've made this argument in multiple games when doing wagon analysis (although In Newbie 1893 I did get up to L-1, as town, without any scum on my wagon so it can happen). So if anything, Auro's wagon is the more likely wagon to have contained scum, and you were on that wagon.

Yes I am voting for you now, but at the moment only Ariane and I are voting for you, so it's misleading when you say that I am the only person to be on both of your wagons, when I was never on your original wagon when you got up to L-2 with three votes.

So your wagon previously was {Ariane, Auro, Not_Mafia} and now it is {Ariane, Volxen}. If you are convinced that you didn't get up to L-2 without scum involvement, then why are you fixated on my slot when I had nothing to do with you originally getting up to L-2?

Do you believe all three of Ariane, Auro, and Not_Mafia are town?

And by the way, my original wagon was {Auro, Flavor Leaf, Lion}, so fmpov I could make the same argument about you since you were on both my wagon and Auro's wagon at their highest points.

As far as why you left the Auro wagon, I'm not going to claim to know your full agenda if you are scum, but there are logical reasons for you to do this if you are scum. If you and Auro are scum together then your motivation is clear: the both of you cross-voted each other to do some distancing, but neither of you actually wanted to bus the other.

But even if you are scum and Auro is town, you could have left his wagon because you determined that I would be a safer day 1 mislynch for you going into day 2. My slot has taken a fair bit of heat in this game, perhaps more than Auro's overall (and I also was the first wagon), so perhaps you concluded that I would be a safer day 1 mislynch that would result in less scrutiny towards your slot on day 2. After all if you are scum you don't want to just pull off a mislynch, but you also want to set yourself up to look good going into day 2.

The fact that you left Auro's wagon in favor of voting for me and presenting a case against me does not in and of itself clear you as town.

In post 419, Auro wrote:Volxen, I'm not buying that.

You voted Flavor in 359.
Flavor's "VCA misrepresentation" was in 360.

Why did you unvote me and vote for him *in 359*?

In post 421, volxen wrote:I'm aware of that timeline. I was already suspicious of him at the time that I voted for him, especially when he uses language like "a wagon is brewing on you", where he is talking as if my lynch today is a foregone conclusion before he even presented a "case" against me. His follow up with the VCA misrepresentation just further cemented my suspicions of his slot.

I changed my vote to him because that is where I currently want to apply pressure.