Excalibur [Endgame]

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: UT

I don't like how much the gladiate mechanic affects the gameflow/postingflow.

Why do you think I keep begging scum to kill me?

[Nancy Drew 39]

i also want to hear from Penguin but as it stands i know what i'm doing.
Maria's also correct. :>

I honestly thought the game had died at this point.

Waiting for Penguin=waiting for Godot.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I don't catch the reference.

It’s an existentialist play by Samuel Becket about these two guys, waiting for some mystery character named Godot, who never shows up.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I legit hardclaim that. You dummies. This isn't to protect.

Tell us who Arthur is then, if it isn’t Maria.

[Nancy Drew 39]

MariaR, who was

Merlin

, and aligned with

Town

,

died

in

Night 4

.

So, who is Arthur?

[Nancy Drew 39]

MariaR, who was

Merlin

, and aligned with

Town

,

died

in

Night 4

.

So, who is Arthur?

Wait, this kill is suspicious. Why does scum shoot Maria, when everyone thought she was Arthur?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I’m thinking 1 of 2 things
>Kokichi is Arthur and scum tried to shoot Maria expecting failure and MyLo
Or
>Kokichi is scum and they somehow figured this shit out

Only Merlin knows who Arthur is, not the other way around.

Or Kokichi is Merlin?

But why would scum want MYLO?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Damn, I was hoping Maria didn't die. This sucks. Well we gotta win this one today. I decided to not shoot cause I didn't trust my reads. Good news is that if we lynch 1 scum today we can win tonight.

Yeah, thought so.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Dunnstral, Chara, PenguinPower, Nancy Drew 39, Varsoon, Gamma Emerald

3 of these are scum.

No one gladiate today. If we gladiate wrong we lose.

I’m town, so my strongest townread is Varsoon?

So, we wait for the next NK, which is probably you or maybe me? How does that help us?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Dunnstral, Chara, PenguinPower, Nancy Drew 39, Varsoon, Gamma Emerald

3 of these are scum.

No one gladiate today. If we gladiate wrong we lose.

I’m town, so my strongest townread is Varsoon?

So, we wait for the next NK, which is probably you or maybe me? How does that help us?

Not gladiating doesn’t help us, if scum kills you or me. Do you really think they’re killing anyone else?

We need to figure this out. So, 3/5, right?

So, remove me and you get 3/4. Of course we should gladiate. We have 75% chance of hitting scum today. Either you or me die tonight and it’s still the same odds.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Scum kill resolves first and town will lose.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Here’s my tinfoil theory. Scum figured out Maria was really Merlin and is trying to frame Kokichi for it but it’s blatantly obvious that Maria knew he was Merlin, or she 100% would have exposed him

So, scum might be someone who wanted to get him mislynched and kill me, the next obvtown tonight.

So, who, figured it out? That’s likely scum.

But It’s not hard, we remove us from the pile and you then have Dunn, Gamma and Penguin and Chara, right?

So,we force 2 of those 4 to gladiate today.

HURT: Penguin

[Nancy Drew 39]

Here’s my tinfoil theory. Scum figured out Maria was really Merlin and is trying to frame Kokichi for it but it’s blatantly obvious that Maria knew he was Merlin, or she 100% would have exposed him

So, scum might be someone who wanted to get him mislynched and kill me, the next obvtown tonight.

So, who, figured it out? That’s likely scum.

But It’s not hard, we remove us from the pile and you then have Dunn, Gamma and Penguin and Chara, right?

So,we force 2 of those 4 to gladiate today.

HURT: Penguin

why isn't Varsoon in this post?

Other than Kokichi, he is my strongest townread. Obviously from ypov, you obviously would disagree with this.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy, do you have any scum games you could link me?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... tart=13000

[Nancy Drew 39]

actually that would be second and third uncaught scum, wouldn't it.
though i don't think it's likely Nancy and Varsoon are both scum, it's possible.
right now i'm leaning Nancy as my other townread, but i need to be sure.

Why are you more focused on this, then on who is your current strongest scumread?

You don’t need to figure out all 3 to win, just 2 and the last scum concedes.

[Nancy Drew 39]

there's only six people left in the lynchpool.

remove myself and Dunnstral

, and it's just four. if i find the other town among that, i know who all the scum are. that just seems easier to me than trying to find one scummy player, who could be scummy town that the remaining scum want us to mislynch.
and on the off and bad chance Dunnstral actually is scum, methodically going through every player besides Kokichi still gives a better chance of hitting scum if i avoid lynching the ones i think are more likely town.

Why do you scumread Gamma and Varsoon?

I’m gonna assume you hard townread Dunn?

i don't.

i townread you the most

, followed by Varsoon and then Gamma.
i hard townread Dunn because i trust Maria's read.

So why did UT green flip change that?

[Nancy Drew 39]

it didn't. Dunn's been out of my lynchpool since yesterday because Maria's read on him trumps any i might come up with.
you're my strongest townread based on my own independent read.

What’s your take on the Maria NK?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I actually think scum didnt know Maria was Merlin. And killed her thinking dunn was Arthur and I was Merlin.

So, maybe Pengin and Gamma, then?

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Chara: I think I'm biased about you given my particular experience with you in games I have modded, which is something that I struggle with around pretty much any player.
Like how I was sure Cerb was 3P in the recent Overkill game because his play was reminding me so much of SaGa Frontier and since I have such a tonal baseline for RR as a hydra due to something like 10+ games modded of theirs.

I still don't think you propose a gladiate on town UT if you're scum. That sort of play is much more in UT's wheelhouse.
It's why I think that if you're scum here, you're playing a tonally consistent town game but taking measures that I'd not expect, either out of WIFOM or desperation.
I also don't see you advising a shot on potential BP after taking such a huge risk move.
That's why I think it's more likely that others are scum before you are, and if they advised/orchestrated/coached your play, that'd make sense to me.

Which others?

I know I’m not scum and Kokichi is cleared through associatives with Maria, right? So, I have to be assuming, you disagree with Kokichi/Chara on Dunn, then?

[Nancy Drew 39]

So does Maria want to talk about that straight up scum flailing at the end of the day there, or what?

Cute.
Kokichi is arthur

Yeah so Koki's Arthur, right?
I don't understand why scum wouldn't shoot one of Gamma/Dunnstal.
I think scum's got to be three of Gamma/Dunn/Penguin/Chara.

Good catch, so Kokichi is 100% confitown by this.

I disagree they’d shoot Gamma but I can definitely see Dunn.

I would have also been a great choice as well.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Gamma seems different here than in Overkill 2. Scum!Gamma seems to be a lot more self-centric and less solvey.

I think this is town!Gamma here. \_0_/

[Nancy Drew 39]

If anyone is interested, both VC and Dunn throw a lot of shade at Gamma.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Dunn town. Kokichi town.

Chara - why the null/loose scum read on me? Atypical.

Only one game with Varsoon, and he was less active there so I can't read him well based on that.

Gamma is gamma. Don't really know Nancy.

Chara/Varsoon/Gamma/Nancy has the scum.

Pengin/Chara both tr Dunn.

[Nancy Drew 39]

If I had my way right now:
Smart/LLD would be dueling
winner goes for the sword along with Dva or UT.

Does this mean you're scumreading me Maria?

I could see you flipping scum yes but I would rather see you go for the sword then dual.

I find it interesting you want me to duel day 1. I think that seems strictly suboptimal, don't you?

I think you're going to be pushed regardless if you're scum or not. If you win the dual you go for the sword. If you flip people lose the excuse of pushing you.

And this was really weird coming from you - she's going to be pushed so might as well lynch her anyway? What? There's NO WAY you're actually thinking like this... Like I know there's not

Ok, so for starters here's someone who knows Maria very well saying that her behaviour doesn't match her norm, and it doesn't. Maria has been doing this weird "I want LLD to have the sword" and "I will vote LLD to die" thing and this is the culmination of it.

Dunn's been wrong on me before. Don't take his word for law although I don't know how this is "weird coming from me" given he gave no context on why that was weird from me. I don't get the point you're trying to make here
Pedit: LLD I get you're scum pushing me and stuff but I didn't answer because I was puking my guts out. Period

right but there's more than 1 person saying that behaviour was off. We're not always right but you can't discredit us both that way.

Also, your "illness" didn't stop you from posting things regarding Elsa v. LLD. So that's not an excuse, don't hide behind it. (Sorry you were sick )

LLD strongly relied on Dunn’s shading of Maria, to justify her gladiate on her.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Who do you think is scum here and why?

Penguin is still my strongest scumread.

I don’t necessarily agree with Varsoon’s Chara read. Why does he ask for a scumgame from his #1 “independent” townread?

VC’s ISO was pretty much 85% mechanics driven. I talk about mechanics as either alignment but I do it way more as scum, as my Heroes’ Wanted game will show.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Chara, PenguinPower, Nancy Drew 39, Varsoon, Gamma Emerald

I think Nancy is town

I think Penguin is scum

Meaning two of Varsoon, Gamma, Chara would be scum

Not sure what you mean when you say scum would think I'd have a vest since that's not part of the setup

These are my reads ATM

I can’t figure out all 3, which we don’t even need to but gun to head, I think Penguin, Chara.

Chara played with scum/SK me in Overkill 1 so another reason, his request was strange.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Chara, PenguinPower, Nancy Drew 39, Varsoon, Gamma Emerald

I think Nancy is town

I think Penguin is scum

Meaning two of Varsoon, Gamma, Chara would be scum

Not sure what you mean when you say scum would think I'd have a vest since that's not part of the setup

These are my reads ATM

I can’t figure out all 3, which we don’t even need to but gun to head, I think Penguin, Chara.

Chara played with scum/SK me in Overkill 1 so another reason, his request was strange.

As did Gamma, twice. I’d FOS Gamma for that as well, if he asked me that question.

And why wouldn’t scum gladiate atp? For obvious towncred. UT was the lowest hanging fruit afterall, so it was 100% a safe gladiate. Like was anyone NOT going to vote UT?

So, doubling down on disagreeing with Varsoon’s read on it.

So had Chara gladiated Penguin over UT, I’d be a lot more likely to grant him towncred for it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

See I was thinking Gamma was the scummiest of the 3 and was thinking we'd lynch/shoot both of penguin and gamma - I haven't seen either of the overkill games

Why is Gamma the scummiest?

My point being is why does Chara ask me - his #1 “independent” townread for a link to my scumgame, when he’s already seen it?

He didn’t make it a point, to say - in addition to, or as groupscum - he just straight up asked for a link to ANY scumgame, like he has 0 experience with scum!me, which obviously isn’t the case.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy, do you have

any

scum games you could link me?

Didn’t you really mean to say, OTHER than Overkill 1, which we were BOTH in and I was SK/scum?

[Nancy Drew 39]

HURT: Chara

[Nancy Drew 39]

I feel like Gamma hasn't really made much of an impact recently - like it doesn't seem like he really cares who scum is moreso he's trying to coast through for the past 2 weeks and nobodies calling him out on it

Okay, I’ll rethink Gamma but I’m not convinced he isn’t a mislynch.

I haven't seen either of the overkill games

Wrt to the bolded:

That’s irrelevant. The point is that Chara wants a link to ANY scumgame of mine - despite very recently having played with me in one.

If you recently played a game with someone who had rolled scum, would you be asking them for a link to ANY scumgame?

I sure as hell wouldn’t - especially if I considered them to my #1 “independent” townread.

And if I did (unlikely in this case), I would specify, either in addition to or as groupscum. I would never say ANY. I would only ask that of someone who had never played with scum!me before.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I feel like Gamma hasn't really made much of an impact recently - like it doesn't seem like he really cares who scum is moreso he's trying to coast through for the past 2 weeks and nobodies calling him out on it

I haven't seen either of the overkill games

Okay, I’ll rethink Gamma but I’m not convinced he isn’t a mislynch.

Wrt to the bolded:

That’s irrelevant. The point is that Chara wants a link to ANY scumgame of mine - despite very recently having played with me in one.

If you recently played a game with someone who had rolled scum, would you be asking them for a link to ANY scumgame?

I sure as hell wouldn’t - especially if I considered them to my #1 “independent” townread.

And if I did (unlikely in this case), I would specify, either in addition to or as groupscum. I would never say ANY. I would only ask that of someone who had never played with scum!me before.

Fixed the quote.

[Nancy Drew 39]

And you didn’t graduate Kokichi whhyyyyy?

You mean gladiate... right? I think Kokichi is fakeclaiming town.

If anyone isn’t convinced Kokichi is confitown yet.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Vote:Unvote

Yeah I am not Merlin.

I think Dunnstral is the real Merlin.
This means that Arthur and Merlin will die while MariaR will be kept for us as Bulletproof IC - that should be good enough.

I think we should probably lynch Firebringer now, because a NoLynch just reduces the number of mislynches avaliable by one in this situation. Am I wrong?

Hmmmm . . .

So, why does scum kill Maria over Dunn?

[Nancy Drew 39]

See I was thinking Gamma was the scummiest of the 3 and was thinking we'd lynch/shoot both of penguin and gamma - I haven't seen either of the overkill games

Why is Gamma the scummiest?

My point being is why does Chara ask me - his #1 “independent” townread for a link to my scumgame, when he’s already seen it?

He didn’t make it a point, to say - in addition to, or as groupscum - he just straight up asked for a link to ANY scumgame, like he has 0 experience with scum!me, which obviously isn’t the case.

Nancy, do you have

any

scum games you could link me?

Didn’t you really mean to say, OTHER than Overkill 1, which we were BOTH in and I was SK/scum?

I feel like Gamma hasn't really made much of an impact recently - like it doesn't seem like he really cares who scum is moreso he's trying to coast through for the past 2 weeks and nobodies calling him out on it

I haven't seen either of the overkill games

[Nancy Drew 39]

i actually forgot you were in Overkill. or that you were SK in it.
now that i'm reminded, hi. i still forgot.

How would you forget a game that recent?

But okay, why do you ask for a link to a scumgame from your #1 “independent” townread?

I don’t see why UT green flip, ought to affect that.

Do you have familiarity with Penguin’s, Dunn’s, Gamma’s, Varsoon’s scumgames, and if so, how recent were any of them?

Also, why are you so convinced Maria’s read on Dunn is correct, when she wrongly scumread 3/4 players?

NK15 doesn’t count and no one gets towncred for scumreading that slot. He obviously volunteered to eat a lynch. Had he any intention of surviving, he would have gladiated, UT/Penguin over Sir Cakes. NK lynch was clearly a voluntary scum-coordinated effort.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Here’s my tinfoil theory. Scum figured out Maria was really Merlin and is trying to frame Kokichi for it but it’s blatantly obvious that Maria knew he was Merlin, or she 100% would have exposed him

So, scum might be someone who wanted to get him mislynched and kill me, the next obvtown tonight.

So, who, figured it out? That’s likely scum.

But It’s not hard, we remove us from the pile and you then have Dunn, Gamma and Penguin and Chara, right?

So,we force 2 of those 4 to gladiate today.

HURT: Penguin

Why remove you+Varsoon?

I know my alignment. Is that a serious question?

As for Varsoon, I don’t eliminate him from suspicion. He is rn my strongest tr out of the available scumspects.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I actually think scum didnt know Maria was Merlin. And killed her thinking dunn was Arthur and I was Merlin.

So, maybe Pengin and Gamma, then?

I was damn sure Kokichi was Merlin and Maria was Arthur. And don’t try to argue someone else took over because I’ve backed down on pushing my preferred kill in the past and it has worked out poorly.

???

[Nancy Drew 39]

LLD was town tho what ~ Gamma

So?

[Nancy Drew 39]

asking you for a scumgame wasn't me thinking you were scum. it was wanting to reaffirm my own townread which was based on what i thought was really honest posting from you and from towngames i'd seen from you.
lack of confidence in my own reads aside.

HEAL: Chara

For now

[Nancy Drew 39]

I actually think scum didnt know Maria was Merlin. And killed her thinking dunn was Arthur and I was Merlin.

So, maybe Pengin and Gamma, then?

I was damn sure Kokichi was Merlin and Maria was Arthur. And don’t try to argue someone else took over because I’ve backed down on pushing my preferred kill in the past and it has worked out poorly.

there's really no need to argue that someone else took over the kill if one could argue you were lying about being sure who was who.

I didn’t even understand what he was even talking about.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I actually think scum didnt know Maria was Merlin. And killed her thinking dunn was Arthur and I was Merlin.

So, maybe Pengin and Gamma, then?

I was damn sure Kokichi was Merlin and Maria was Arthur. And don’t try to argue someone else took over because I’ve backed down on pushing my preferred kill in the past and it has worked out poorly.

there's really no need to argue that someone else took over the kill if one could argue you were lying about being sure who was who.

I didn’t even understand what he was even talking about.

Make that EITHER of you.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Gamma is saying he's not scum because he thought Maria was Arthur and Kokichi was Merlin, and that he wouldn't let his scum partners choose the kill, Chara is saying that doesn't matter if someone can argue that Gamma is lying about thinking Maria was Arthur and Kokichi was Merlin

Oh okay.

[Nancy Drew 39]

And I didn't make LLD gladiate Maria day 1, I didn't even scumread Maria day 1

I never said you MADE her do anything. What I did say, was that she used that comment of yours, to partially justify her Maria gladiate.

But tbf, from LLD’s perspective and everyone else’s, that’s kind of what it looked like.

[Nancy Drew 39]

(Oh Auro was scummy and we were the others reacting to it because scum prob looks at varsoons post and doesn't try to look at it in depth like town due and just mark it off as towny ironically now that I say this it's more likely varsoon is town because scum spewed him town)

I actually weakly think UT is town.

why?

Because he agreed with 216 and auro worships that post

Pro tip this is why Auro is prob town because his play make sense with his emotions and overall tone of the thread. It's very hard to fake what Auro is doing as scum rn. His naive aura is the same thing Nancy does and make it easy too...well I won't say cause she gets triggered. Classic trick learned at the academy

If you look at my posting you'll see I had the same thoughts with scumreading UT and Auro and then retracting the scumread on Auro

Putting the naive aura thing into words makes me feel better there

You seem towny this game -

are you mafia?

I think you're town right now because I was having the same thoughts

I made it clear I was townreading her so no it isn't what it looked like

Do you dispute that LLD used that comment of yours to at least partially, justify her Maria gladiate or not?

[Nancy Drew 39]

If you're not saying that I led her to do that then I don't understand why you're bringing up LLD in the first place

I’m saying, she made it a point of referencing your comment, when making her decision to gladiate Maria.

[Nancy Drew 39]

i don't really get the point of what you're saying here, Nancy. i don't find Dunnstral's comment on Maria day 1 relevant, nor that LLD took it the way she did. unless you're arguing that Dunn incited LLD to gladiate Maria, it doesn't seem to have a bearing on Dunn's alignment.
and you've said you aren't arguing that.

pedit: same hat.

I think I’ve been extremely clear about what I’ve been saying.

[Nancy Drew 39]

LLD was town tho what ~ Gamma

So?

So what point are you making about whose alignment????

You were the one who referenced LLD’s alignment, which is irrelevant to what I was saying.

So, I wanted to know why you thought otherwise?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Here’s my tinfoil theory. Scum figured out Maria was really Merlin and is trying to frame Kokichi for it but it’s blatantly obvious that Maria knew he was Merlin, or she 100% would have exposed him

So, scum might be someone who wanted to get him mislynched and kill me, the next obvtown tonight.

So, who, figured it out? That’s likely scum.

But It’s not hard, we remove us from the pile and you then have Dunn, Gamma and Penguin and Chara, right?

So,we force 2 of those 4 to gladiate today.

HURT: Penguin

why isn't Varsoon in this post

?

Gamma,

what are your thoughts on everything else? namely us four who aren't Dunn

/Kokichi.

Penguin just needs to post.

Hypocrite much?

For someone who has me as their #1 “independent” townread, I’m not getting good vibes from your recent posting.

We only need to figure out 2/3 of the remaining scumteam. I don’t know about Dunn but I think you’re either pocketing him ot you’re w/w.

Samething probably goes for Penguin.

What is becoming really obvious to me, is how town!you is blatant obvtown and if you’re not blatant obvtown, likely chance you’re not. I’m also not just saying this because of POE. If I was convinced I was seeing obvtown Chara here, I would have already eliminated you from my POE.

[Nancy Drew 39]

HURT: Chara

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy
Kokichi
Varsoon
Gamma
Dunn
Penguin
Chara

[Nancy Drew 39]

Hypocrite much?

For someone who has me as their #1 “independent” townread, I’m not getting good vibes from your recent posting.

We only need to figure out 2/3 of the remaining scumteam. I don’t know about Dunn but I think you’re either pocketing him ot you’re w/w.

Samething probably goes for Penguin.

What is becoming really obvious to me, is how town!you is blatant obvtown and if you’re not blatant obvtown, likely chance you’re not. I’m also not just saying this because of POE. If I was convinced I was seeing obvtown Chara here, I would have already eliminated you from my POE.

i don't understand what's hypocritical in the bolded. i asked about Varsoon because

i'd missed you earlier saying he was your number 1 townread.

i asked Gamma about other players because he'd only talked about Kokichi and Dunnstral.

Don’t misrep me. #1 AFTER Kokichi, that would mean, #2 but tbf, #2 & 3, are pretty damn close rn. Varsoon, by play and Gamma both by play and negative associative reads.

[Nancy Drew 39]

For someone who has me as their #1 “independent” townread, I’m not getting good vibes from your recent posting.

i'll be honest here Nancy. this is pissing me off. in half of your posts directed towards me you mention that you're my number 1 townread, with independent in scare quotes. what kind of point are you making here? the hell does my read on you even have to do with the vibes you're getting from my posts?
why do you keep snarkily bringing it up? if you don't buy that it's true, just say that.

Because your posting isn’t adding up.

[Nancy Drew 39]

this may be surprising to hear, but you

are not

my number one TR anymore. i haven't said so explicitly but you have not been since you reminded me of Overkill. i've said this.

If you were hoping to change my mind on my read on you, you just blew it.

Doubling, tripling, quadrupling down on you being scum here.

No way town!Chara ever makes this post.

No way in hell is my play here, even remotely similar to Overkill 1.

You are not town here and this post, proves it.

Anyone who sincerely believes that there is any world where, my play here is similar to that game, please ISO me and then also tell me, if anyone who doesn’t have reading comprehension issues, could seriously ever think this.

[Nancy Drew 39]

this may be surprising to hear, but you

are not

my number one TR anymore.

i haven't said so explicitly but you have not been since you reminded me of Overkill. i've said this

.

If you were hoping to change my mind on my read on you, you just blew it.

Doubling, tripling, quadrupling down on you being scum here.

No way town!Chara ever makes this post.

No way in hell is my play here, even remotely similar to Overkill 1.

You are not town here and this post, proves it.

Anyone who sincerely believes that there is any world where, my play here is similar to that game, please ISO me and then also tell me, if anyone who doesn’t have reading comprehension issues, could seriously ever think this.

Overkill 1, just to be clear.

[Nancy Drew 39]

If you're not saying that I led her to do that then I don't understand why you're bringing up LLD in the first place

I’m saying, she made it a point of referencing your comment, when making her decision to gladiate Maria.

Why does that matter though

She obviously thought she was mindmelding with you on Maria possibly being scum. It

matters

, because she at least partially based her gladiate on it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Here’s my tinfoil theory. Scum figured out Maria was really Merlin and is trying to frame Kokichi for it but it’s blatantly obvious that Maria knew he was Merlin, or she 100% would have exposed him

So, scum might be someone who wanted to get him mislynched and kill me, the next obvtown tonight.

So, who, figured it out? That’s likely scum.

But It’s not hard, we remove us from the pile and you then have Dunn, Gamma and Penguin and Chara, right?

So,we force 2 of those 4 to gladiate today.

HURT: Penguin

why isn't Varsoon in this post?

I’m town, so my strongest townread is Varsoon?

forgot about this. so Varsoon is your strongest townread, which is why he wasn't mentioned.

also, context. they're literally right next to each other.

In Overkill 1, even if I had been town, I would have townread you - even without RC obvtowning it. Nothing you posted throughout the entire game would have ever remotely pinged town!me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

We only need to figure out 2/3 of the remaining scumteam. I don’t know about Dunn but I think you’re either pocketing him ot you’re w/w.

Samething probably goes for Penguin.

where is Penguin pocketing Dunnstral, being likely w/w with Dunnstral, or even doing anything comparable to my posting?

Dunn town

. Kokichi town.

Chara - why the null/loose scum read on me? Atypical.

Only one game with Varsoon, and he was less active there so I can't read him well based on that.

Gamma is gamma. Don't really know Nancy.

Chara

/Varsoon/Gamma/Nancy has the scum.

thanks Dunn. need a few more of these.

in the interest of being fair, here are mine:

Dunnstral

Gamma
Nancy
Varsoon

Penguin

Both you and Penguin, have Dunn as your top town.

Even more intriguing, is that you BOTH have the other one has your top sr.

Does this mean we can expect to see a Chara/Penguin gladiate today?

[Nancy Drew 39]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... start=4750


I want to invite ANYONE with their faculties intact, to please honestly tell me, whether my posting in THIS game, reminds you in anyway of the above, or the games below.


https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... start=2750


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[Nancy Drew 39]

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I want to invite ANYONE with their faculties intact, to please honestly tell me, whether my posting in THIS game, reminds you in anyway of the above, or the games below.


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In Overkill 1, I hydra’d with both Toranga (Nancy Drew Shogunate) and MathBlade (RightKnight). In YGM, I hydra’d with RadiantCowbells. In CoH, I hydra’d with the ducky/the worst (snuggly quackdrew 39).

[Nancy Drew 39]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... start=4750


I want to invite ANYONE with their faculties intact, to please honestly tell me, whether my posting in THIS game, reminds you in anyway of the above, or the games below.


https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... start=2750


https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=31829


https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=31062


https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=31062

In Overkill 1, I hydra’d with both Toranga (Nancy Drew Shogunate) and MathBlade (RightKnight). In YGM, I hydra’d with RadiantCowbells. In CoH, I hydra’d with the ducky/the worst (snuggly quackdrew 39).

Oops, forgot RC hydra, was called Celestial Coordinates.


*Faculties intact* =

town

.

[Nancy Drew 39]

i actually forgot you were in Overkill. or that you were SK in it.
now that i'm reminded, hi. i still forgot.

How would you forget a game that recent?

But okay, why do you ask for a link to a scumgame from your #1 “independent” townread?

I don’t see why UT green flip, ought to affect that.

Do you have familiarity with Penguin’s, Dunn’s, Gamma’s, Varsoon’s scumgames, and if so, how recent were any of them?

Also, why are you so convinced Maria’s read on Dunn is correct, when she wrongly scumread 3/4 players?

NK15 doesn’t count and no one gets towncred for scumreading that slot. He obviously volunteered to eat a lynch. Had he any intention of surviving, he would have gladiated, UT/Penguin over Sir Cakes. NK lynch was clearly a voluntary scum-coordinated effort.

1)

i have a bad memory.

2) i explained this.

3) it doesn't. also answered this before.

4) the only one i remember is Dunnstral. it was recent, we were scum together.

5) Maria's record of reading Dunn specifically is really really good. she's been right in every game i've been with them together.

like. i have a really, really bad memory. i want to stress that. i forget my own reads in games i'm currently in and have to reread my own ISO.

this may be surprising to hear, but you

are not

my number one TR anymore. i haven't said so explicitly but

you have not been since you reminded me of Overkill. i've said this.

[Nancy Drew 39]

i actually forgot you were in Overkill. or that you were SK in it.
now that i'm reminded, hi. i still forgot.

How would you forget a game that recent?

But okay, why do you ask for a link to a scumgame from your #1 “independent” townread?

I don’t see why UT green flip, ought to affect that.

Do you have familiarity with Penguin’s, Dunn’s, Gamma’s, Varsoon’s scumgames, and if so, how recent were any of them?

Also, why are you so convinced Maria’s read on Dunn is correct, when she wrongly scumread 3/4 players?

NK15 doesn’t count and no one gets towncred for scumreading that slot. He obviously volunteered to eat a lynch. Had he any intention of surviving, he would have gladiated, UT/Penguin over Sir Cakes. NK lynch was clearly a voluntary scum-coordinated effort.

1)

i have a bad memory.

2) i explained this.

3) it doesn't. also answered this before.

4) the only one i remember is Dunnstral. it was recent, we were scum together.

5) Maria's record of reading Dunn specifically is really really good. she's been right in every game i've been with them together.

like. i have a really, really bad memory. i want to stress that. i forget my own reads in games i'm currently in and have to reread my own ISO.

this may be surprising to hear, but you

are not

my number one TR anymore. i haven't said so explicitly but

you have not been since you reminded me of Overkill. i've said this.

Do you seriously think we’re all idiots here, Chara?

Spoiler:

And fwiw, you are one of my favourite people on this site and truly sorry if I’m “pissing you off”, because I happen to think you replaced into a scumslot. I still really like you a lot and greatly respect you as a person and your play. <3

[Nancy Drew 39]

Do you dispute that LLD used that comment of yours to at least partially, justify her Maria gladiate or not?

i can assume Dunn's position on your readslist has to do with this comment here.

spinning an action LLD made of her own volition as some kind of manip from Dunn, because he had the utter

gall

to not be 100% certain of Maria's alignment on day 1?
it's reaching.

however, your snarky reaction to my townread on you (and the subsequent deterioration of that townread as you continued to talk with me that way) is pretty towny. it's only scum you if scum you is foolish enough to be picking a fight with me that you think you could win, and if i'm the only option for a mislynch.

it means if you're scum then your partners have to be Gamma and Penguin. otherwise you'd be going after them over me. i'll keep that in mind even though i don't want to lynch you right now. in that scenario you don't feel you can go back on that Varsoon townread.
there's another scenario where Penguin is town too and you would like to lynch there or me, and it means Varsoon's scum with you. don't know how i feel about that right now, honestly, but still leaning no.

most likely to me is still that Penguin is scum who's trying to coast and wait for town (me, possibly you) to bite each other's heads off. i'm conscious of that possibility, and that's why i need Penguin and Gamma to get their heads in the game if either of them are town. if not, i'm happy to lynch them.

Wrt the bolded, I really do NOT appreciate your misrep. I never “spun” ANYTHING. I pointed it out - SOLELY because LLD referenced it. I find your unwarranted shade on me, concerning.

On the (what looks to me rn based on your most recent posts) the higly unlikely chance that I’m wrong here - because how else, do you account for deliberately mischaracterizing my play in Overkill 1, with THIS one - a game, you apparently can’t even freaking REMEMBER?

Wrt to Dunn’s position on my readslist, more to do with negative associations with VC (your predecessor) and Gamma. Also, Varsoon has expressed suspicion of Dunn, while you and Penguin both have him as your top town.

The significant of that is, it doesn’t appear that Gamma is linked with either Dunn/you/Penguin.

Varsoon doesn’t appear to be linked with Dunn or Penguin.

And no, I’m not ignoring the possibility of distancing, it just doesn’t seem like it to me.

However, between you, Penguin and Dunn, I’m the most iffy on him, because - as I’ve said before, I’m not sure if you and Penguin are pocketing him or if you’re w/w. But it really doesn’t matter, if we lynch correctly today, why?

Because if Dunn is town here, then he should logically be the next scumkill, right?

If I am or really bizarrely Gamma//Varsoon is, then something weird may be going on. In any case, I can’t see any sense in a Dunn lynch today.

I’m okay with lynching Penguin. But rn, you are my most confident scumread and unless yoi can show me why Penguin has higher scum equity than you, I’d rather lynch you, because obviously I don’t want us to lose the game. Duh.

But CONVINCE me to lynch Penguin. And I’ll alter my reads order.


Oh and fyi, if I’m scum here, it’s with DVa, Fire and Auro.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Do you dispute that LLD used that comment of yours to at least partially, justify her Maria gladiate or not?

i can assume Dunn's position on your readslist has to do with this comment here.

spinning an action LLD made of her own volition as some kind of manip from Dunn, because he had the utter

gall

to not be 100% certain of Maria's alignment on day 1?
it's reaching.

however, your snarky reaction to my townread on you (and the subsequent deterioration of that townread as you continued to talk with me that way) is pretty towny. it's only scum you if scum you is foolish enough to be picking a fight with me that you think you could win, and if i'm the only option for a mislynch.

it means if you're scum then your partners have to be Gamma and Penguin. otherwise you'd be going after them over me. i'll keep that in mind even though i don't want to lynch you right now. in that scenario you don't feel you can go back on that Varsoon townread.
there's another scenario where Penguin is town too and you would like to lynch there or me, and it means Varsoon's scum with you. don't know how i feel about that right now, honestly, but still leaning no.

most likely to me is still that Penguin is scum who's trying to coast and wait for town (me, possibly you) to bite each other's heads off. i'm conscious of that possibility, and that's why i need Penguin and Gamma to get their heads in the game if either of them are town. if not, i'm happy to lynch them.

Wrt the bolded, I really do NOT appreciate your misrep. I never “spun” ANYTHING. I pointed it out - SOLELY because LLD referenced it. I find your unwarranted shade on me, concerning.

On the (what looks to me rn based on your most recent posts) the higly unlikely chance that I’m wrong here - because how else, do you account for deliberately mischaracterizing my play in Overkill 1, with THIS one - a game, you apparently can’t even freaking REMEMBER?

Wrt to Dunn’s position on my readslist, more to do with negative associations with VC (your predecessor) and Gamma. Also, Varsoon has expressed suspicion of Dunn, while you and Penguin both have him as your top town.

The significant of that is, it doesn’t appear that Gamma is linked with either Dunn/you/Penguin.

Varsoon doesn’t appear to be linked with Dunn or Penguin.

And no, I’m not ignoring the possibility of distancing, it just doesn’t seem like it to me.

However, between you, Penguin and Dunn, I’m the most iffy on him, because - as I’ve said before, I’m not sure if you and Penguin are pocketing him or if you’re w/w. But it really doesn’t matter, if we lynch correctly today, why?

Because if Dunn is town here, then he should logically be the next scumkill, right?

If I am or really bizarrely Gamma//Varsoon is, then something weird may be going on. In any case, I can’t see any sense in a Dunn lynch today.

I’m okay with lynching Penguin. But rn, you are my most confident scumread and unless you can show me why Penguin has higher scum equity than you, I’d rather lynch you, because obviously I don’t want us to lose the game. Duh.

But CONVINCE me to lynch Penguin. And I’ll alter my reads order.


Oh and fyi, if I’m scum here, it’s with DVa, Fire and Auro.

Sorry, Wrt to Dunn,

What I meant to say, was that GAMMA has negative associations with Dunn/VC(you) and you and Penguin have his as your top town

.

[Nancy Drew 39]

No way in hell is my play here, even remotely similar to Overkill 1.

You are not town here and this post, proves it.

Anyone who sincerely believes that there is any world where, my play here is similar to that game, please ISO me and then also tell me, if anyone who doesn’t have reading comprehension issues, could seriously ever think this.

you reminded me of Overkill's existence.
i forgot you were scum in it.
your play here doesn't "remind me of Overkill".

what you reminded me of was the game where you were scum, but where i townread you for being sincerely emotional.
what that means, Nancy, is my way of reading you turned out to be wrong, so i could no longer just trust the townread i had.

I never fake my emotions, so what you saw was real. But you can’t afford to ignore play, why? Because you are never going to be able to accurately read me, based on sincerity. You can only read me on sincerity of BELIEF. As scum, I rarely have convictions, which is probably irrelevant early game but very clear late game. And if I do have any, I am ambivalent about acting on them. People misread me because I don’t fit most people’s ideas of town/scum meta.

Like freaking out over votes in Necromancer and Overkill 2, for example, which I got wrongly scumread for. Or derping which is usually NAI for me but I get wrongly scumread for that. If you recall in Overkill 1, eventhough I was actually scum in it, my scum-martyr question, was nevertheless a legitimate derp.

But if you know anything about my meta, you would know that this 100% my typical obvtown play for me, late game.

Scum!me would never push you here. Scum!me, would just be happy to be tr and as long as I survive, not go out of my way to make waves. Town!me OTOH, wants to get things figured out, wants answers to questions, wants to solve the puzzle. Scum!me. is far more concerned with how others perceive me than getting my questions answered.

Check out the links I posted, if you (honestly) still have any doubt if I’m town here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Wrt the bolded, I really do NOT appreciate your misrep. I never “spun” ANYTHING. I pointed it out - SOLELY because LLD referenced it. I find your unwarranted shade on me, concerning.

why did you bring it up then? what's the point?
LLD is dead.
the only reason to bring it up is to make a point about a living player. i thought you were saying something about Dunn.

I bring up anything I find relevant. It’s a complete mischaracterization to call that spin.

[Nancy Drew 39]

HEAL: Chara

[Nancy Drew 39]

On the (what looks to me rn based on your most recent posts) the higly unlikely chance that I’m wrong here - because how else, do you account for deliberately mischaracterizing my play in Overkill 1, with THIS one - a game, you apparently can’t even freaking REMEMBER?

that's easy. it's you misreading my posts. i don't think it's deliberate.

your play here isn't like Overkill 1. the game's existence just proved my metric for reading you is wrong. there's a difference. i have scumgames that look really different. it's not strange.
i will say thank god you aren't the type to have gladiated me before everyone even gave their readslist, because now that it's not late i'm realizing it's pretty unlikely you're scum with this posting, because it's rare that i get this pissed with somebody who's scum.
or to word it another way, i'm unconsciously townreading you, because there's no reason to get annoyed with someone who has a wincon reason to do this.

It does seem like you’re genuinely frustrated with me.

Okay, I think I may be wrong about my read on you. *sigh*

We’re probably losing this? :/

[Nancy Drew 39]

as for Varsoon's read on Dunn: frankly, he shouldn't have that suspicion.
Varsoon's reads are the most suspect thing about his slot, and why he needs to post more. he made a post on me before at my prompting, but beyond that hasn't given any reads besides his townread on you this Day.
him, Penguin, and Gamma, i don't remember any of them interacting with my assertion that Dunnstral is town based on Maria's read. the only one who did was Dunn, who asked Maria about it. (if i'm wrong here, somebody tell me.)
Maria can read Dunn well. really well. if someone thinks he's scum they need to refute that, and this includes you Nancy.

If this is true, then It’s going to take me awhile to ever figure out how to read Varsoon. :/

If you and Dunn are town. then the Gamma negative associatives with Dunn and VC, also make sense.

So, my negative associations read does still make sense at least.

I did initially strongly townread Dunn. I guess I had a weak scum gutread on him in DnD Mafia but he appeared to have been mechanically cleared, so I just dismissed it.

Btw, I don’t recall town!Maria sr him in that game, so your 100% Maria can 100% reliability theory doesn’t necessarily hold because she didn’t sr him there.

But she did correctly read him in Halloween Dance.

Okay, I promise to vote Penguin, if you or anyone else gladiates him.

[Nancy Drew 39]

i should stop being lame and just gladiate Penguin already. it'd mean i'm willing to bet the game on Nancy being town. (and that the team is Gamma/Varsoon/Penguin.)
it's hard to accept a scenario where all of the remaining scum are holding back, though.

Alright, you’ve convinced me. I townread you, so we only need to get one player right and if you, me and Dunn are town, we then can’t lose with a Penguin lynch.

I suppose it was foolish for me to have ignored the fact, that you and Penguin are each other’s #1 scumread. That rarely ever happens if the two of you are w/w together.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Chara, don’t gladiate yet. We should first get a consensus that everyone will vote Pengun.

HURT: Penguin


Or at least 4 of us.

[Nancy Drew 39]

i'm still busy with family but i'm not in a rush to post, seeing as i want to hear from everybody.
and yes i'll wait. merry christmas nancy. and everyone!
i'd be really surprised if you're scum with this. so that part's probably fine.

Dw, I’m not. I just want to make sure Kokichi’s on board and we’re winning this. After Overkill 2, I could use a win.

Oh and Happy Holidays to you too. <3

Methinks Penguin’s probably going to role over.

Scum made a boneheaded move killing Maria. She had Penguin as her #2 town, I think.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'll vote penguin

\o/

[Nancy Drew 39]

Spoiler:

[Nancy Drew 39]

Spoiler:

HAPPY FESTIVUS, EVERYONE!!!

[Nancy Drew 39]

I suppose it was foolish for me to have ignored the fact, that you and Penguin are each other’s #1 scumread.

Well...this isn't true.

Based on the ordering, that’s how it looked.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Here’s the thing guys. Kokichi is lockclear and if Dunn, Chara and me are all town, everyone else has to be scum. It’s as simple as that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Not Known 15 [7] -

SirCakez

, PenguinPower, Dunnstral, Nancy Drew 39,

Kokichi Oma

,

Auro

,

MariaR

[LYNCH]

I kinda wanna gladiate nancy because that's probably where a bus would lie

HURT: Gamma

We really only need to get two right, to win. Gamma just became my #1 scumread.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I didn't say anything about the claim reaction there
I actually mildly suspect it but I feel like his wagon placement on NK15 is probably town-indicative

Why? It was obviously a coordinated bus? NK would have never gladiated Cakes otherwise.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'll look over penguin quickly because I don't want to just end everything by gladiating town

it should be obvious, but this townread on Penguin (in subsequent posts) means they're scum together or Gamma is town.
makes me feel slightly better about a Penguin lynch, scum Gamma never tries for a Penguin townread here on town Penguin.

I’m fine with that too. I think Gamma doesn’t care which one of them is lynched. I doubt town!Gamma would ever want to gladiate me here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'll look over penguin quickly because I don't want to just end everything by gladiating town

it should be obvious, but this townread on Penguin (in subsequent posts) means they're scum together or Gamma is town.
makes me feel slightly better about a Penguin lynch, scum Gamma never tries for a Penguin townread here on town Penguin.

I’m fine with that too. I think Gamma doesn’t care which one of them is lynched. I doubt town!Gamma would ever want to gladiate me here.

Town!Gamma would gladiate Penguin or Varsoon over me in this game. I’m pretty sure he’s scum here now, along with Penguin. And if Dunn, Chara and me are town, Varsoon would also have to be but if we lynch either Gamma or Penguin, I’m pretty sure we hit scum. Whichever one wins, Kochichi can shoot.

[Nancy Drew 39]

if they're partners that's fine. if they

aren't

partners, Gamma made the ridiculous decision of saying he would scumread Nancy when he could just gladiate Penguin and win. there's no world where scum Gamma thinks Nancy's an easier 1v1 target.

Who is the scumteam then Chara? Dunn, you, me and Gamma, can’t all be town?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Varsoon's just confirmed for me that he isn't partners with Gamma. (decision to give up winning this day phase and bus notwithstanding, and also irrelevant for now since it means both lynching decisions are correct)
so, operating in a world where our lynch decision still matters, Varsoon and Gamma aren't scum together. one of them is partnered with Penguin, and either Nancy or Dunnstral. that means my reads

were

wrong. (in the case they're trying to win.)

Wrong, I’m never scum here and you entertaining that idea, is once again, causing me to lose faith in you. :/

Gamma wanted to mislynch obvtown. How can you not see that?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Varsoon's just confirmed for me that he isn't partners with Gamma. (decision to give up winning this day phase and bus notwithstanding, and also irrelevant for now since it means both lynching decisions are correct)
so, operating in a world where our lynch decision still matters, Varsoon and Gamma aren't scum together. one of them is partnered with Penguin, and either Nancy or Dunnstral. that means my reads

were

wrong. (in the case they're trying to win.)

Wrong, I’m never scum here and you entertaining that idea, is once again, causing me to lose faith in you. :/

Gamma wanted to mislynch obvtown. How can you not see that?

P.edit, if you’ve also lost faith in Dunn, then Varsoon could be town.

Gamma was clearly trying to save his buddy. Wake tf up.

[Nancy Drew 39]

if they're partners that's fine. if they

aren't

partners, Gamma made the ridiculous decision of saying he would scumread Nancy when he could just gladiate Penguin and win. there's no world where scum Gamma thinks Nancy's an easier 1v1 target.

He wouldn’t win because scum needs to mislynch. Wtf is wrong with you here? I’m once again questioning my tr on you.

[Nancy Drew 39]

it looks to me like you were trying to capitalize on Gamma's Nancy-shading by quickly gladiating and hoping she would vote with you.
believe me, if you're town i'm trying to find it, but this has all the makings of you having to make some kind of play before you or Penguin are gladiated by (probably), me. and Penguin would lose a 1v1 between him and Gamma, too.

Chara, Gamma is scum, going for a mislynch. You are really frustrating me now.

[Nancy Drew 39]

^ Scum also wins on a no-lynch here, too.

Which is likely what would have happened if he gladiated me.

Gamma isn’t this bad as town, to seriously consider gladiating me. He once wrongly sr me because of Math but I don’t believe for one second Gamma is town after this.

The only thing I’m wondering about, is why Chara isn’t seeing through this WIFOM bs?

VOTE: Gamma

He is 100% scum here, after that gladiate. We never lose here, lynching scum!Gamma.

[Nancy Drew 39]

After Gamma flips red, Kokichi should shoot Penguin. Then we’ll win.

[Nancy Drew 39]

After Gamma flips red, Kokichi should shoot Penguin. Then we’ll win.

Why is this the best strategy? Because I am unclear on who the 4th and final scum is. I honestly don’t know rn, if it’s Dunn, Chara or Varsoon, so lynching/shooting the wrong one, could possibly result in a mislynch but Gamma and Penguin are definitely scum, so we still win, even if we can’t figure out, the 4th and final scum is.

[Nancy Drew 39]

At any rate, Gamma never considers gladiating me as town here. Idk rn, if Chara is just blind or if I’m misreading him again.

Gamma and Penguin are scum together here. Bank on it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

i've decided to vote Varsoon. scares the heck out of me but there we are.

For saying this I don’t see any vote...!
Also I’d like to note in the past when me + others have received this level of blowback the person receiving the blowback has been right

No, you are lockscum pushing my mislynch here. Chara may be blind but I sure as hell am not. You’re obviously scumbuddies with Gamma. Who else is your buddy? Who tf knows but you 2 are 100% flipping scum - you and Penguin.

[Nancy Drew 39]

i've decided to vote Varsoon. scares the heck out of me but there we are.

For saying this I don’t see any vote...!
Also I’d like to note in the past when me + others have received this level of blowback the person receiving the blowback has been right

No, you are lockscum pushing my mislynch here. Chara may be blind but I sure as hell am not. You’re obviously scumbuddies with Gamma. Who else is your buddy? Who tf knows but you 2 are 100% flipping scum - you and Penguin.

P.edit. I meant to say Penguin, obviously.

You wanted to gladiate me, hoping for either a mislynch or a no lynch. I’m not an idiot, Gamma and I see through this blatantly scumly gambit.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I will say this again and again - as many times as necessary for buildings to fall on some people - *cough* Chara *cough*.

TOWN!GAMMA NEVER GLADIATES ME HERE!!!

[Nancy Drew 39]

I post one thought about wanting to gladiate you and you think I’m aiming to mislynch you? You’re either scum or Stalin-level paranoid.

No and don’t even try to fool me here. I’ve played enough games with you to know that fypov, it makes no sense if you’re town.

Why would you gladiate me over anyone else in the game? Based on fucking what? Huh Gamma? You don’t have a credible answer for that, do you?

But it’s blatantly obvious and Chara not seeing that is making me once again, doubt if he’s truly town here and still buying this crap.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Why the fuck don’t I just gladiate on the spot as scum? I wanted to discuss and see if I was off-base. Pretty sure I’m not with you going apeshit on me.

Chara is right about one thing. You choosing to gladiate Penguin, was absolutely the right move, if you were town here and since this is LYLO, Chara’s argument is 100%, a complete fail - unlike say, Chara gladiating UT.

So, maybe Chara is scum with you and Penguin? But I wouldn’t want to chance that and it’s a lot safer to assime, he’s just being bad town here. Lynching/vigging in you and Penguin, 100% wins us the game.

[Nancy Drew 39]

if they're partners that's fine. if they

aren't

partners, Gamma made the ridiculous decision of saying he would scumread Nancy when he could just gladiate Penguin and win. there's no world where scum Gamma thinks Nancy's an easier 1v1 target.

He wouldn’t win because scum needs to mislynch. Wtf is wrong with you here? I’m once again questioning my tr on you.

did you miss "if they aren't partners"?
if they're (Gamma and Penguin) partners it's fine, i just said that.
my point is if they aren't partners, Gamma's the one who would be town of the two, due to avoiding the Penguin gladiate and trying to go after you instead. scum Gamma town Penguin = Gamma wanting to lynch Penguin and win. if they are partners they're both scum. i guess that's possible but Varsoon's decision to gladiate Gamma here really throws me unless it's a bus attempt.

and acknowledgement from me that you aren't confirmed town =/= a scumread.

This is freaking LYLO, of course scum!Gamma doesn’t want to lynch his buddy.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Because there's still the fringe doubt that Penguin's town set up to take the last lynch.
Gamma's scum here no matter what
Whereas Penguin is just highly likely.

The likeliest option is that they're scum together.
Which, again, is why neither gladiated and were both doing a lot of nothing.
I went for Gamma because Gamma's more likely out of the two, IE:
I could see Gamma scum and Penguin town
I could not see Penguin scum and Gamma town.

I think both of them are obvscum, otherwise Gamma would have 100% gladiated Penguin. Chara’s argument might actually make sense - if this weren’t actually LYLO but it is, so it doesn’t.

[Nancy Drew 39]

i need to go to sleep.
not sure if it's worth it to wait for tomorrow morning to vote, because even if Kokichi agrees with me i'm not sure Nancy will. so hopefully Gamma's scum and i'm wrong, which does happen a lot.

This is LYLO, scum wins if we mislynch. Why else would Gamma ever consider gladiating me over Anyone other than Kokichi - especially Penguin?

Gamma basically scumclaimed. Could Varsoon possibly be bussing or is he maybe town? I dunno but Gamma pretty much scumclaimed with wanting to gladiate me.

And I can’t see any world where town!Gamma would want to gladiate me over Penguin. Can you?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I will say this again and again - as many times as necessary for buildings to fall on some people - *cough* Chara *cough*.

TOWN!GAMMA NEVER GLADIATES ME HERE!!!

And I didn’t: I just proposed the idea.

That’s right you didn’t, only because Varsoon beat you to it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

i need to go to sleep.
not sure if it's worth it to wait for tomorrow morning to vote, because even if Kokichi agrees with me i'm not sure Nancy will. so hopefully Gamma's scum and i'm wrong, which does happen a lot.

I’m not really seeing how this gladiate benefits scum!Varsoon, considering that he just messed up his chance of winning. I did initially think, possible towncred but the fact is that if Gamma had gladiated me and either got me mislynched or caused a no lynch, he would win, right?

So, how does it benefit scum!Varsoon to gladiate Gamma here - irrespective if Penguin is his (Gamma’s) buddy?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Why the fuck don’t I just gladiate on the spot as scum? I wanted to discuss and see if I was off-base. Pretty sure I’m not with you going apeshit on me.

Chara is right about one thing. You choosing to gladiate Penguin, was absolutely the right move, if you were town here and since this is LYLO, Chara’s argument is 100%, a complete fail - unlike say, Chara gladiating UT.

So, maybe Chara is scum with you and Penguin? But I wouldn’t want to chance that and it’s a lot safer to assime, he’s just being bad town here. Lynching/vigging in you and Penguin, 100% wins us the game.

Well guess what? Maybe I win the battle, but if me + Penguin are both town? WAR IS LOST DUMBFUCK!

War is lost if you mislynch ME or no lynch, genius, And sorry, not buying your AtE fail.

[Nancy Drew 39]

And I can’t see any world where town!Gamma would want to gladiate me over Penguin. Can you?

if he believed his own argument about NK15 and the bussing. town can be wrong. that's the problem with being town.

Not THIS wrong. Town!Gamma never considers gladiating me here. Whatever Varsoon is, I am not w/w with him, so what is scum!Varsoon’s motive for stopping Gamma from gladiating me?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy, if you’re town, don’t you EVER talk down about my play past this game.

I will call you out if your play is bad like in DnD Mafia or if you’re probable scum, like in THIS game. Why are you allowed to insult me but not the converse?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Not THIS wrong. Town!Gamma never considers gladiating me here. Whatever Varsoon is, I am not w/w with him, so what is scum!Varsoon’s motive for stopping Gamma from gladiating me?

how do you know Gamma was

actually

going to gladiate you?

How do you know he wasn’t?

Shoud have we taken the chance?

It not like it’s reversible.

[Nancy Drew 39]

And I can’t see any world where town!Gamma would want to gladiate me over Penguin. Can you?

if he believed his own argument about NK15 and the bussing. town can be wrong. that's the problem with being town.

Not THIS wrong. Town!Gamma never considers gladiating me here. Whatever Varsoon is, I am not w/w with him, so what is scum!Varsoon’s motive for stopping Gamma from gladiating me?

Okay wait, WHY aren’t you scum with Varsoon? ACTUAL interactions, nothing else.

You were in Heroes and Overkill 1? Tell me, how I’m playing similar to either game?

Because I would lynch both you and Penguin.

So, if I’m scum with Varsoon, who is the other scum? Dunn or Chara?

I please regale me with your scumlogic.

[Nancy Drew 39]

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SirCakez

, PenguinPower, Dunnstral, Nancy Drew 39,

Kokichi Oma

,

Auro

,

MariaR

[LYNCH]

I kinda wanna gladiate nancy because that's probably where a bus would lie

he said he wanted to, it's not really the same thing.
if town, it's just Gamma being wrong and looking for feedback. if scum i'd call this move his big misplay.

It’s posts like this one that have me doubting you. In what world is this a misplay? He obviously knew, if he just came out and gladiated me, he would lose. He obviously didn’t count on Varsoon gladiating him instead.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Chara, why does Varsoon stop me gladiating Namcy if we’re both town? That instaloses the game for town.

i've been thinking about that since Nancy brought it up. to me it didn't sound like you'd committed to making the gladiate yet, as evidenced by you... well, not gladiating her. but Nancy did have a strong reaction to it and i think Varsoon thought he could take the win thanks to it.

How? Who is his buddy then? Dunn? Because unless you think Varsoon, Dunn and Penguin are a team, how does he win here?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Chara, why does Varsoon stop me gladiating Namcy if we’re both town? That instaloses the game for town.

i've been thinking about that since Nancy brought it up. to me it didn't sound like you'd committed to making the gladiate yet, as evidenced by you... well, not gladiating her. but Nancy did have a strong reaction to it and i think Varsoon thought he could take the win thanks to it.

How? Who is his buddy then? Dunn? Because unless you think Varsoon, Dunn and Penguin are a team, how does he win here?

Actually he only wins in the case of my mislynch or no lynch, so why does scum!Varsoon try to stop this? It’s LYLO afterall?

If we mislynch or no lynch, scum has no further need for towncred.

[Nancy Drew 39]

And I can’t see any world where town!Gamma would want to gladiate me over Penguin. Can you?

if he believed his own argument about NK15 and the bussing. town can be wrong. that's the problem with being town.

Not THIS wrong. Town!Gamma never considers gladiating me here. Whatever Varsoon is, I am not w/w with him, so what is scum!Varsoon’s motive for stopping Gamma from gladiating me?

Okay wait, WHY aren’t you scum with Varsoon? ACTUAL interactions, nothing else.

You were in Heroes and Overkill 1? Tell me, how I’m playing similar to either game?

Because I would lynch both you and Penguin.

So, if I’m scum with Varsoon, who is the other scum? Dunn or Chara?

I please regale me with your scumlogic.

I really don’t give a fuck about your meta appeal. As for who’s scum with you+Varsoon I’d say Dunn over Chara because I really don’t see this whole interaction playing out if Chara is scum with you two

Chara, why does Varsoon stop me gladiating Namcy if we’re both town? That instaloses the game for town.

i've been thinking about that since Nancy brought it up. to me it didn't sound like you'd committed to making the gladiate yet, as evidenced by you... well, not gladiating her. but Nancy did have a strong reaction to it and i think Varsoon thought he could take the win thanks to it.

I really like this response and it helps quell my doubts on you which have been festering since that lack of vote earlier

Of course you don’t because you obvscummed by threatening to gladiate me, to save your buddy.

[Nancy Drew 39]

How? Who is his buddy then? Dunn? Because unless you think Varsoon, Dunn and Penguin are a team, how does he win here?

that's exactly what i was saying i thought.

Okay but even if that’s true, mislynching me or no lynch, still makes us lose, right?

Right and if both Gamma and me are town, that still doesn’t make sense.

Why does scum!Varsoon forego a free win, to get towncred in LYLO?

Sure you could akways argue that he tried to out obvtown me but considering this is LYLO, it still really doesn’t make sense.

In any case, I can’t see how Gamma isn’t scum here and how we lose if Kokichi shoots Penguin.

[Nancy Drew 39]

and this is why Penguin was the better choice. Gamma's only scum if Penguin is. that's what i was saying.
i should have gladiated Penguin immediately after Gamma argued for him being town.

That probably would have been the best move. I just wasn’t sure how Kokichi would vote and once he made it clear he was voting Penguin, then yeah you probably should have at that point.

Since at one point, I would have lynched you over Prnguin, how does town!Gamma ever scumread me for wanting you to wait?

If I wanted you to be lynched over Penguin, I don’t ask you to hold off until we’ve locked down 4 votes. But we only need to hit 2 scum to win and like I said, Gamma wanting to gladiate me, sounds like he was either hoping for a mislynch on me or more likely a no lynch and that Penguin is definitely his buddy.

What’s interesting is that everyone but Gamma seems to scumread Penguin.
And he is also the only one not townreading me.

But I feel pretty confident that Gamma and Penguin are scum but beween you, Dunn and Varsoon, it’s essentially a coinflip, as I see it.

The ONLY reason I can see for Gamma wanting to gladiate me over Penguin, is if they’re both scum here. Before you made me change my mind about you, Penguin and Dunn being the scumteam, I was townreading Gamma, so how does town!Gamma ever think I’m scum here?

[Nancy Drew 39]

if they're partners that's fine. if they

aren't

partners, Gamma made the ridiculous decision of saying he would scumread Nancy when he could just gladiate Penguin and win. there's no world where scum Gamma thinks Nancy's an easier 1v1 target.

Who is the scumteam then Chara? Dunn, you, me and Gamma, can’t all be town?

i was thinking Dunn/Varsoon/Penguin.
if it's Gamma/Penguin/Varsoon then i think Varsoon is trying to bus but i find this less likely.

There’s a post from Varsoon, being suspicious of Dunn knowing Maria’s exact time of return, so I lean towards bussing if Varsoon is scum here. He’s been suspecting Dunn for awhile now and Dunn’s main scumspects are Gamma/Penguin. So, I dunno, I can’t see how Gamma isn’t scum here. And even if he was worried about you gladiating him, that doesn’t mean he’s scum.

So, either Varsoon town/Dunn scum or Varsoon bussing Gamma. Why doesn’t Gamma say he wants to Gladiate Dunn or Varsoon? Why me?

I think Gamma is obscum in either case, where as Varsoon might be. I still feel the most confident about Gamma being scum and with Penguin.

Varsoon could have also gladiated Penguin. I still think that lyncing/vigging in Gamma/Pengin, wins us the game.

Here’s my issue, neither wanted to gladiate Pengiin. Why not?

But it still looks worse for Gamma.

[Nancy Drew 39]

ugh. i'm sorry. should i have fought longer? maybe actually voting Varsoon would have helped. i dropped the ball so many times here. gladiate Penguin, gladiate Varsoon when i said i would. i'm so damn wishy washy.

Townlocking Dunn, was our biggest mistake. Sorry Gamma.

If you had agreed to gladiate Penguin, things might have turned out differently.

[Nancy Drew 39]

i'd have liked to read it anyway, FakeGod. i hate everything about what i did this game.

You probably did best out of town. My criticisms were mostly aimed at Kokichi.

I knew DVa and especially Auro were town.

[Nancy Drew 39]

ok, i expected more yelling in the dead thread, but half of them thought i was scum. so. cool.
alright, i'm calm. i've learned from this. i am a leaf on the wind.

Cerb wasn’t in this game.

[Nancy Drew 39]

ugh. i'm sorry. should i have fought longer? maybe actually voting Varsoon would have helped. i dropped the ball so many times here. gladiate Penguin, gladiate Varsoon when i said i would. i'm so damn wishy washy.

Chara we did have day talk and we had just coordinated the hammer anyway

Scum pt can be released

even without you and Penguin ready to drop the hammer, Nancy wouldn't have even been able to vote Gamma if i'd gladiated Varsoon when i thought about doing so. or Penguin.
at least choosing to vote Gamma when i did didn't affect the outcome, but i still fucked up.

Yeah, I would have voted Varsoon over you, since you were my strongest townread after Kokichi at that point. So, lesson learned, Maria can’t be trusted to read Dunn correctly.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Dva was a meta read which was wrong and because Maria said she was shooting her so i had to keep up the act. (and like i said i didnt really expect her to die anyway lol) and Auro i had a sr on day 1 which was wrong.

Only correct Maria read in this game, was NK15.

She had Penguin as locktown, merely for posting . . . anything.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I wrote a long,

scathing

criticism of town play in this game, but I lost it and decided that it was better not posted.

Congratulations to scum team for winning despite Arthur getting the sword on Night 1!

We actually would have had a better shot at winning this, if Arthur hadn’t have gotten the sword.
Or if I had been Arthur, because I never would have shot DVa and especially Auro.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Dva was a meta read which was wrong and because Maria said she was shooting her so i had to keep up the act. (and like i said i didnt really expect her to die anyway lol) and Auro i had a sr on day 1 which was wrong.

Only correct Maria read in this game, was NK15.

She had Penguin as locktown, merely for posting . . . anything.

if you look at dead thread, most people's reads were wrong. They were saying UT, Chara or you scum for sure. She did well with the roleswap tho

Can’t wait to find out how anyone thought I was scum here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

ugh. i'm sorry. should i have fought longer? maybe actually voting Varsoon would have helped. i dropped the ball so many times here. gladiate Penguin, gladiate Varsoon when i said i would. i'm so damn wishy washy.

Townlocking Dunn, was our biggest mistake. Sorry Gamma.

If you had agreed to gladiate Penguin, things might have turned out differently.

Thanks for the apology I guess? Still, idk how you were obvtown. Like, people need to stop taking skepticism as a scumtell for fucks sake.

Well, others could see it, so I don’t understand why you didn’t but scum jumped on that to gladiate you and win the game. You not wanting to gladiate Penguin.

[Nancy Drew 39]

the problem really was not just that Gamma didn't townread you. it was your reaction to it as well. Varsoon's gladiate was really scummy and we still could have won there.
not saying i didn't screw up, but i don't really think it's all on Gamma there. you're also very sensitive to other's reads on you and Varsoon used that. you had Gamma scum entirely because he was suspicious of you for a moment, and your read on me boiled down to townreading me when i called you town, and then getting suspicious again as soon as i said i might not be sure.

But that is also typical for me as town and Gamma should have known that. He’s played with me enough.

[Nancy Drew 39]

and you also could have gladiated Penguin. any town could have.

I shouldn’t have tried to stop you. You might have beaten Varsoon to it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

and fwiw, those others who could see you were obvtown were both scum, besides me.

Yeah, point taken.

[Nancy Drew 39]

You guys played the scenario with the most swing possible. This setup is actually lot less swingy because the vig rarely shows up in this setup.

Do you prefer 3p scum team instead of 4p white flag? I thought 4p white flag offers more flexibility than 3p scum team.

3P, town usually isn’t good enough to catch 4 scums.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Fakegod: Just goes to show that mafia's a game of rhetoric more than mechanics.
I'm not a fan of white-flag at all, felt paralyzing at times, like "Well damn, I can't bus or sacrifice myself..." and that final gladiate by me was really an all-or-nothing move because Penguin would be dead after I was.
I think that this setup had a ton of swing, is all. Extra kills do that. Stop making setup with extra kills? I dunno.

Yeah, some of the dumbest mistakes town makes, are due to mechanics.

[Nancy Drew 39]

But town doesn’t need to catch 4 scum because it’s white flag

But there’s still one extra anti-town player and it’s still the same number of scum to catch.

If I’m scum, I want white flag.

If I’m town, I want 3P.