no deadlines mafia [game over]

[Nancy Drew 39]

just dont quote walls

its useful for nobody

No one - let alone ME - is advocating that and you know it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I checked where Dannflor replaces in and I would like to ask:
@Dannflor, what do you make of Nancy townreading two of your scumreads so vehemently?

What kind of question is that?

And that is a blatant mischaracterization, Gamma. I was only hard defending sheep.

VOTE: Gamma

Reeeeaaaaally, I’m pretty sure you called mastina town too. I noticed on this page you aren’t doing that so what changed that read?

Sorry I misunderstood. My vote is on Mastina, who’s play here is identical to her scumgame in MBOS (Mystery Box of Silver).

[Nancy Drew 39]

btw for wall quoting you can just remove what you’re not replying to

or you can quote only what youre replying to to begin with

As I already said, I’ll try.

[Nancy Drew 39]

It's not "one of them is scum and the other isn't", it's "whichever of these two I can lynch is the one that I'll decide is scum"

+1

There is absolutely no connection between your slot and Dann’s.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I checked where Dannflor replaces in and I would like to ask:
@Dannflor, what do you make of Nancy townreading two of your scumreads so vehemently?

I'm not really sure of the point of this question.

I don't think she's vehemently defending mastina, at least not anymore, and I don't think she ever was?

As far as sheep goes, I'm just confused by what she sees, and would like an answer from her before the day is out. Apologies if I missed it, but

@Nancy, what about that meta you linked makes you think sheep is town? I sure as hell don't see it

That being said I'm like, warming up to a mastina lynch today much faster than I thought I would

But I would like someone to give me a reason that Vonflare should be alive tomorrow, because I see no reason, and mastina trying to pocket him does not do anything to make me want to read him as town

Yeah, I’d be down for Vonflare tomorrow.

Vonflare the one who claimed death miller, yea? Is that why people wanna lynch him or is there an actual case

Name1/Name2
Name2/Name1 is literally the best way in a readslist to present an either/or dilemma. It represents "one of these is scum and the other is probably town", but makes it clear that I'm not sure which. (Sometimes the orders of the name give a lean, other times, they don't; in this case it goes back and forth enough to not.)

Can you please elaborate on the interactions between this slot and Purr's that make you believe only one can be scum? I have a difficult time believing they exist when this slot had all of like 10 posts before I entered the game. The pushing of this "one must be scum and the other isn't" narrative just reads like trying to set up two mislynches when one doesn't flip red. I've yet to see any justification for this.

You also claim to have not read the game fully but you have these associatives picked out (I assume) from before I joined the game? When this slot did effectively nothing?

I recently played with both sheep and Mastina i, a game, that was running concurrently with this one. Both sheep and Mastina were scum in it. Sheep’s play is extremely different here, than it was in that game, where as Mastina’s is identical to it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Does mastina want people to invest in her coin?

In post 1476, the worst wrote:
In post 1472, Nibbui wrote:
I wonder if I'm getting under Mastina's charm though
She is strangely charming
(

Btw, that's actually a weak towntell of mine. scumastina is an ass, so is anything but charming. The charm comes from me when I'm town, since I just have a way with people, I guess

.) ~ scum!Mastina from BoS

VOTE: mastina

Ok I can understand why people are scumreading Trekkie here

Why? You think this is a bad reason for a vote? I don’t.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I checked where Dannflor replaces in and I would like to ask:
@Dannflor, what do you make of Nancy townreading two of your scumreads so vehemently?

What kind of question is that?

One that determines the soundness of his reads, as I want to know whether he’s factored that in.
I’m not trying to imply you’re scum here, I’m trying to promote thought.

I think you’re town here and Wisdom’s read on you is wrong, which makes Purrcocet supertown. for hard townreading you.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@varsoon, is your guilty read on sheep real?

Just noticed this.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Just ISO’d Trekkie, I think he’s obvtown here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I can't believe that Varsoon is a cop with a guilty, taking into account that he was voting Kokichi earlier and he's said things that no person with a guilty should say, such as what Party pointed out (i would've quoted it but party ninja'd me lol). Sheep wasn't even his first vote of the day? However I also don't see why scum would do it so it might also be town faking a guilty?

I think Aususka could be town from this.

This kind of deep dive, doesn’t usually tend to come from scum.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Mastina’s shade on Purr for giving me the fruit, is really really bad IMO.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Mastina, not impressed by your metacase. Show us how Xtoxm is scum in THIS game, or stop spamming about it. Kthanx.

I OTOH, actually DID present a pretty decent metacase on you.

[Nancy Drew 39]

mastina is so painfully villager

this game is depressing

NAI at best.

This is a scummy post.

No, sheep is just pocketed. I thought the same thing in MBoS.

Mastina made it a point in that game of scum!her=ass, town!her=nice.

How has her behaviour been in this game so far? I rest my case.

[Nancy Drew 39]

UNVOTE:

anyway dann's tunnel on me i still think is really villager

This kind of post, rarely if ever comes from scum. Like, there has been so many sheep towntells in this game. I know some people are wrongly scumreading him for his wrongheaded Varsoontunnel but tbf. for anyone who isn’t really familiar with Varsoon, it’s entirely understandable.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Alternatively, I hear there's support for a sheep wagon. You could vote there.

There’s zero support for a Sheep wagon.

I will fight it.

And Nancy will fight it.

That’s actually not a good idea to go to Sheep today.

+1

Sheep is town here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Sheep, it’s time to end this day phase.

Nancy stood up for you hardcore earlier, I feel you should put faith in her for the day and come over to the other side. The waterMs nice, and none of us are trying to see you hurt, so long as you are town.

Vote her. Mastina needs to die.

Sheep can do what he wants, he is town regardless but yeah, Mastina is doing the same damn thing she did last game and I am not letting her set me up twice.

She hard townread me and was simultaneously really meant to me in MBoS, same as here. Her pushes, especially Purr, make 0 sense. I don’t see her saying that Purr giving me fruit is scum indicative, ever comes from a town mindset. That kind of horrible moonlogic, tends to come from scum. She is trying to set up Purr, the same way, she set up town!tw in MBoS. I’d like to think town!Mastina is better than that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

flavor why do you have me as v

Because you’re town who is pocketed by Mastina.

You were already mislynch bait, and in hindsight I can see it. You aren’t really pushing a scum agenda. I don’t agree with your posts, and you make statements that are just out there and confidently, but you don’t seem to be pushing a scum agenda anywhere.

Yes, which he was blatantly doing in MBoS. That game ran concurrently with this one, so for anyone to suggest that sheep could be scum in both games, with two completely diametrically contradictory playstyles, is beyond ludicrous.

[Nancy Drew 39]

flavor why do you have me as v

Because you’re town who is pocketed by Mastina.

You were already mislynch bait, and in hindsight I can see it. You aren’t really pushing a scum agenda. I don’t agree with your posts, and you make statements that are just out there and confidently, but you don’t seem to be pushing a scum agenda anywhere.

Yes, which he was blatantly doing in MBoS. That game ran concurrently with this one, so for anyone to suggest that sheep could be scum in both games, with two completely diametrically contradictory playstyles, is beyond ludicrous.

Mastina OTOH, is playing the exact same way, in both of those games.

[Nancy Drew 39]

So... Just gonna put this out there. Nanc might not be town. If she's still alive come day 6 or so, look hard at that slot.

Why? I’m not a PR, that’s why Cheeky was killed over me. This theory is ludicrous. Why would scum care about NKing a town neighbour? Have you thought about that?

That’s how I’m so confident on Purr being town. Unlike Jingle, she can actually read me correctly. Which is why she gave me the fruit,

[Nancy Drew 39]

Argh. ScumMastina’s gonna talk her way out of it.

That's... Not a concern at this point.

Like, this is exactly like RC's UPick, when everyone was telling me to lynch mastina because she was gonna deepwolf.

Mastina is almost never the scary part of the scumteam.

Mastina setting up her partners to carry the rest of the game is why she's good at scum. She's always gonna be BoP lynched before LYLO.

What have you been smoking dude?

[Nancy Drew 39]

So... Just gonna put this out there. Nanc might not be town. If she's still alive come day 6 or so, look hard at that slot.

Why? I’m not a PR, that’s why Cheeky was killed over me. This theory is ludicrous. Why would scum care about NKing a town neighbour? Have you thought about that?

That’s how I’m so confident on Purr being town. Unlike Jingle, she can actually read me correctly. Which is why she gave me the fruit,

Not about you being a threat at all, but about the timeframe. Day 6 or so is when town should have the game pretty close to solved or they're fucked.

I was cop cleared IC in Labrynth and I made it to and won in LYLO, so I don’t see any reason why a non-Pr making it to endgame, would be suspicious?

Scum knows I’m a neighbour, yes? So, they also probably figured out I’m also not likely a Pr and they’re looking to whack those slots first.

That’s why Mastina’s scum!Purr giving me fruit is so ridiculous, because the only reason Cheeky died instead of me, was the hood. If Cheeky had been in the hood instead of me. I would have 100% been the NK and Cheeky would still be here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Yeah, but your plan is always you alive. My plan is always me alive. RC's plan is always RC alive.

Mastina knows how to plan to be lynched and win anyway

.

That’s precisely what makes her so dangerous and why she pockets people so easily. Few people ever think of that as scummy, so they get tricked by that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nothing?

Like... I played with mastina when she was mastin2. She's good, don't get me wrong, but she's not the boogeyman. Hell, she was better known for her townplay than her scumplay in her heyday.

She played dirty as scum in MBoS. Before NSG (my predecessor) even made a single post, Mastina had already set her up to be framed as her partner and

if Mastina isn’t setting me up here, than it’s probably sheep, who she has set up to take the fall, this game

.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Why are you assuming neighbor means no PR? Neighbors can be a PR.

Well, I’m not one, so I’m just assuming no PRs in the hood.

[Nancy Drew 39]

No, mastina's fruit logic is ridiculous because very few people put active thought into who to vend to as a fruitvendor. Mechanically, it's usually a 0 utility role and most people don't think about it being a potentially useful role. It does have the level of reasoning that is coherent with her believing it, but that's not really AI for her, because she's the type of player who would look for suboptimal Nightplay from townies as something to push as scum because

she can tell the truth while arguing it

. Or she could be town who thinks Purr would have acted optimally as town. It's exactly the type of tunnel I tend to fall into.

And I'd wager Cheeky would have died before you either way because she's more difficult to pocket. You're tough to lynch, but your emotions seem pretty easy to toy with tbh. Both pissing you off to keep you off balance and ineffective and protecting you to come across as friendlytown both seem effective from what I've seen of you. Not a criticism, btw, but definitely something I'd be aware of in the future if I were you. And yeah, if I ever intentionally try to keep you pissed off I'm probably scum.

That’s exactly what Mastina’s been doing. FL made me realize what was happening and effectively prevented a MBoS redux. Mastina damn well knows from that game, exactly how to push my buttons and how to provoke me, to lose it on her. So, she was either doing the same thing here - once again trying to frame me as her partner, frame sheep or to discredit me to such an extent that she can effortlessly push through sheep, Purr mislynches, because when I get upset, my ability to think critically is severely blocked and that’s exactly what scum!Mastina was aiming for,

[Nancy Drew 39]

:IGMEOU: please don't setup spec yet. We're not there yet. This isn't a game like Overkill where putting the setup knowledge out at the beginning is optimal. I'm personally thinking setup day is probably D4.

I have no clue what PRs are in this game but I’m logically assuming none are likely in the hood. Why the ?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nope, prolly not. I'm going to assume Wagon does because scum is going to be hesitant to shoot him for the entertainment value though, and there's quite a few people who think the meta provided for sheep is directly contrary to what she's said it means. Additionally, she just said moonlogic is a scumtrait and she has a hydra with Mathblade, which is all sorts of :thorface:

Why do you keep twisting my words? When did I ever say that moonlogic, is a defacto scum trait, for EVERYONE? I think it probably very likely is for Mastina.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Why the ?

Premature setup spec is universally bad because it informs the scumkill. Until we get to a point where discussing setup can be used to inform the lynch, it's a distraction at best.

Informs them of what, exactly? All I was doing is explaining why her Purr giving me fruit is scum indicative theory, is nuts.

[Nancy Drew 39]

She hard townread me and was simultaneously really meant to me in MBoS, same as here. Her pushes, especially Purr, make 0 sense. I don’t see her saying that Purr giving me fruit is scum indicative, ever comes from a town mindset. That kind of horrible moonlogic, tends to come from scum. She is trying to set up Purr, the same way, she set up town!tw in MBoS. I’d like to think town!Mastina is better than that.

Okay fine, from players

who ought to know better like Mastina, it is

. Better?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I would have 100% been the NK

why would you be the nk

Because Wag had both Cheeky and me at 40, at EOD 1.

[Nancy Drew 39]

To be fair, Nancy, I brought you to 3p lylo as a SK when you were an FBI agent.

How often do you get night killed?

Quite a lot actually, because scum find it hard to mislynch me. I’ve only been mislynched once on the site so far.

If it weren’t for the insane mechanics of SK receiving the amnesiac cop results, things would have turned out very differently.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I leave the game alone for an afternoon, and come back to find 10 pages....

Town reads on Flavour and Jingle have become stronger. Their whole debate, just sounds really like town with differing opinions. And I think Gamma is town. Early on he might not have had a lot really in his content, but now I feel he's engaging well now, and trying to help everyone get stuff done.

As town, shouldn't she be pushing something? I'm puzzled as to what point you're trying to make here.

Dannflor is saying she's town because she's thrashing for any raft in the ocean while sinking (which is NAI not town) but she's not thrashing for any raft. She's swimming towards specific rafts while ignoring others that are just as close.

I'd think that's still NAI. Maybe even townie. Because the only ones scum are against lynching in that sort of a situation are partners. She still has clear lynch preference. Conversely, it could be said that you can't really go on all wagons, so she had to pick one over another, and thus it means nothing. (There I just argued myself around to no conclusion.)

Everyone’s being such a fucking stick in the mud whenever someone pushes a lynch they dislike In breaking this out:

@Everyone: what are your top 4 preferred lynches? In order please.

@Wagonimics I want to lynch xtoxm, Vax, Mastina, and Wisdom. I’m aware xtoxm and mastina aren’t scum together ever but there’s plenty of support for multiball both with what has been seen setup/event wise and with how the game is developing. Wisdom I don’t see happening but is one I feel rather confident in.
This also serves as an answer to my own question so thanks for keeping me on top of things.

I want Mastina flipped. I think Vax is scummy, and wouldn't be a bad lynch. But I think there's too much opposition there. And though I'm not seeing a strong case for Ausuka, I'd probably vote there if things went that way, just to get the day over. But I don't think things are going there.

I tend to notice the big posters, the movers of the game for than the quiet ones. Singletonking for example, is a little scummy, but just doesn't rank high enough on my radar for me to really care when there's no deadline forcing me to. So I end up with The Towny, the Meh, and the 'I Kinda thinks they're scum, really want to know their alignment, but I'm slightly paranoid of lynching a great town asset'.

So... Just gonna put this out there. Nanc might not be town. If she's still alive come day 6 or so, look hard at that slot.

Why? I’m not a PR, that’s why Cheeky was killed over me. This theory is ludicrous. Why would scum care about NKing a town neighbour? Have you thought about that?

That’s how I’m so confident on Purr being town. Unlike Jingle, she can actually read me correctly. Which is why she gave me the fruit,

Varsoon claimed to be a PR, and though that was day 2, I think he said something on Day 1. Which on looking for it, actually confirms the neighbours aren't PRs thing. post 200 Basically said he could only talk privately. Which makes me surprised about how many of us believed his cop-gambit. But that's not relevant now. Point is, Mastina's argument there is rubbish, and a lot of her stuff is less solid that it looks at first glance.

So let's let Jingle do his hammer thing tomorrow if he really wants to hammer what he thinks is a bad lynch for today.
VOTE: Mastina



I've never mislynched which kinda surprises me.

Really? Tell me your secret.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I would have 100% been the NK

why would you be the nk

Because Wag had both Cheeky and me at 40, at EOD 1.

and?

That was the lowest. What’s your point?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I would have 100% been the NK

why would you be the nk

Because Wag had both Cheeky and me at 40, at EOD 1.

and?

That was the lowest. What’s your point?

what is the relation between wag's values and who scum kill

Cheeky and I were widely considered to be the most obvtown.

[Nancy Drew 39]

no you weren't and neither was cheeky

How do you figure that?

[Nancy Drew 39]

by reading



Jingle is right, Nancy could be scum here

[Nancy Drew 39]

by reading



Jingle is right, Nancy could be scum here

You only think that when you’re scum. Are you?

[Nancy Drew 39]

This totally would explain why you’re reading Gamma incorrectly here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

This totally would explain why you’re reading Gamma incorrectly here.

and me, obviously.

[Nancy Drew 39]

by reading



Jingle is right, Nancy could be scum here

As for Jingle, if he didn’t sleep through OK 1 and jester game, he should know I’m town here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

WHO SUMMONED......MY SPIRIT..........

Tell me why you scumread Wisdom again. Thanks. <3

[Nancy Drew 39]

Everyone’s being such a fucking stick in the mud whenever someone pushes a lynch they dislike In breaking this out:

@Everyone: what are your top 4 preferred lynches? In order please.

@Wagonimics I want to lynch xtoxm, Vax, Mastina, and Wisdom. I’m aware xtoxm and mastina aren’t scum together ever but there’s plenty of support for multiball both with what has been seen setup/event wise and with how the game is developing.

Wisdom I don’t see happening but is one I feel rather confident in

.
This also serves as an answer to my own question so thanks for keeping me on top of things.

Tell me more.

[Nancy Drew 39]

True Elite Town Bloc-

PurrNancXtoxmAusukaFlavorBrieGamma


Person that's buying us Mcdonalds-
Jingle

Safely assumed town-
Wagonomics
Dannflor

Kawaii-

Enter

Wolf

mastina
Wisdom
Kokichi
Sheep
Vonflare

Nancy could be scum here

Exhibit B to support Wisdom deep wolf theory

Jingle it's time for the train to leave. Choo choo.



pedit uh the thing where hes casually avoiding scum while voteparking ausuka who is ...not even lynchbait she's just a really bad lynch



but for all intents and purposes and my own safety i "townread" wisdom

I don’t have a read on Vonflare yet and you know, I vehemently disagree with you about sheep. But there’s a fakeness about Wisdom in this game, similar to DnD Mafia here. He has been hard townreading me, since the beginning of the game and all of a sudden, he does this weird 180 on me. Town!Wisdom never scumreads me here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

PSA: Nightkill me if you dare.

I don’t want to play without you.

You’re my mason buddy, if I actually was a mason.

You and sheep are my top towns.

[Nancy Drew 39]

My Current Thoughts on Wisdom/Mastina

:

Spoiler:

[Nancy Drew 39]

she's just a really bad lynch

only if you are scum with her

if you are town lynching scum can't be "really bad"

I don’t trust you anymore in this game, so until I see either one of your scumreads flip red or townreads fip green, I’m looking at all your reads that I’m not wholly on board, with a ginormous case of skepticism.

[Nancy Drew 39]

and quick isoing proves youre bsing

Nancy, you have to be scum one of these games in our history together. Is this finally the one?

looks like it isnt so far

This is the only post I made that could suggest I'm townreading you, and even so it's definitely not "hard townreading" level.

That’s a goddamned lie, you think, I’m seriously not going to check? How many games have you played with me now?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy, you have to be scum one of these games in our history together. Is this finally the one?

looks like it isnt so far

I feel like Nancy just massively misrepped FL, and is hiding behind "i'm not allowed to quote anything from the hood".

why would she do that when there are others in the hood who can call her out on it

have you played with nancy before

personally i live you alive because youre easy to pocket and can scumread people hard over random things

but I don’t understand why Ausuka is scum.

you dont need to

i doubt i would nk you if i were scum seeing as nobody listens to your scumread anyway

mod note: I edited a spoiler tag out of this post because it broke the formatting for the entire page, not just this post. previously, the quoted post 1647 was spoilered. the complete text of the original version is included below:

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[quote="In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=10600519#p10600519]post 116[/url], Wisdom"][quote="In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=10600497#p10600497]post 114[/url], Kokichi Oma"]Nancy, you have to be scum one of these games in our history together. Is this finally the one?[/quote]
looks like it isnt so far[/quote]
[quote="In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=10650457#p10650457]post 1647[/url], Wisdom"][spoiler=][quote="In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=10650443#p10650443]post 1645[/url], Xtoxm"]I feel like Nancy just massively misrepped FL, and is hiding behind "i'm not allowed to quote anything from the hood".[/quote]
why would she do that when there are others in the hood who can call her out on it[/quote]
[quote="In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=10651977#p10651977]post 1848[/url], Wisdom"]have you played with nancy before[/quote]
[quote="In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=10674106#p10674106]post 2438[/url], Wisdom"]personally i live you alive because youre easy to pocket and can scumread people hard over random things[/quote]
[quote="In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=10674533#p10674533]post 2457[/url], Wisdom"][quote="In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=10674524#p10674524]post 2452[/url], Nancy Drew 39"]but I don’t understand why Ausuka is scum.[/quote]
you dont need to[/quote]
[quote="In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=10674732#p10674732]post 2478[/url], Wisdom"]i doubt i would nk you if i were scum seeing as nobody listens to your scumread anyway[/quote][/spoiler]

[Nancy Drew 39]

i only saw Ausuka once in a game where she was on point in lylo and she seems just as rational

oh you have a single game experience with her? sorry then, you're clearly a master at reading her

SINGLE?

Purr’s played with me at least twice. Any more bs, you care to fling?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Purr it just sounds like you (and many others) dislike the Ausuka push because of the lack of casing. Not because you're actually townreading her. What you don't get is that Ausuka has a red role PM regardless of whether someone will bother explaining why she is scum. i.e. Her being scum and how good people are at showing it are not relevant. As such, calling her a "really bad lynch" just based on how much you like the people pushing her is complete garbage.

You forget, you lost all credibility pushing me. You’re trying to mindfuck Purr. Unfortunately for you, she’s not falling for it.

Your bad push on me, makes me very suspicious of your Ausuka push because I’m really starting to wonder if Purr has been right about you all along. If you’re reading me wrong at this point in the game, I’m seriously wondering how Purr read you correctly but I didn’t?

If you’re actually town here than you clearly haven’t read any of my scumgames because, nothing else makes a damn bit of sense.

[Nancy Drew 39]

no i havent read any of your scumgames nor will i ever

i dont read games im not in

Then you have no basis to scumread me.

Your timing is really suspect. Like, your read on me does a 180 pre-lynch? Honestly tell me, that’s not a coincidence.

You only pull this shit as scum. You don’t actually scumread me here, you’re just trying to intimidate me into switching my vote. I’m on to you. I didn’t just fall off of the turnip truck.

[Nancy Drew 39]

no you weren't and neither was cheeky

Nancy was. Can't remember regarding cheeky.

Both of us were, which is why Wag put us both at 40 but Wisdom is trying to discredit Wag’s reads for some reason.

[Nancy Drew 39]

no i havent read any of your scumgames nor will i ever

i dont read games im not in

Then you have no basis to scumread me.

Your timing is really suspect. Like, your read on me does a 180 pre-lynch? Honestly tell me, that’s not a coincidence.

You only pull this shit as scum. You don’t actually scumread me here, you’re just trying to intimidate me into switching my vote. I’m on to you. I didn’t just fall off of the turnip truck.

how is the lynch even relevant? it's not like I am trying to lynch you

Mastina is close to being lynched and you just all of a sudden think I’m scum? And you really don’t think anyone should find that remotely suspicious?

[Nancy Drew 39]

no you weren't and neither was cheeky

Nancy was. Can't remember regarding cheeky.

Both of us were, which is why Wag put us both at 40 but Wisdom is trying to discredit Wag’s reads for some reason.

I wasn't aware scum decide their kills based on wag's reads, sorry

This nonsense is why you're making me scumread you

Then maybe you should quit mafia then because this is seriously fucked up, if you’re actually town here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Then maybe you should quit mafia then because this is seriously fucked up, if you’re actually town here.

what is fucked up exactly?
You are supporting that wag's reads represent the whole town's reads, and that scum have to necessarily follow these reads to decide their nightkills
And when I point out how this is bullshit you say "Wisdom is discrediting wag's reads"... what?
If YOU are town here, YOU have issues. Not me.

No because it is ridiculous for you to scumread anyone based on this.

[Nancy Drew 39]

more nonsense

how is mastina close to being lynched related to what my read is on you? You are not even the main push there

The timing

[Nancy Drew 39]

Finally

After this flips red sheep is next

No Purr, why aren’t you listening to me? There are certain players I’m really good at reading: Creature, sheep, Nero. Once I finally figured out how to correctly read sheep, I haven’t been wrong once.

[Nancy Drew 39]

you are trying to lynch a claimed jk who has done nothing different than she usually does
you are discrediting my ausuka push despite having no reason to townread her
you push nonsense bs like "wisdom is trying to mindfuck purr" and "wisdom is trying to intimidate me" and "wisdom is discrediting reads" none of which i am doing

plenty of reasons to scumread you, nancy. nothing ridiculous about it

No you haven’t and the “ridiculous” part is the Wagonomics’ thing. You are either scum here or once again, suck at reading me. I’m still not sure which.

[Nancy Drew 39]

what timing? you might as well say that the timing of me scumreading you is suspicious because it's January 23 today. It will have the same strength.

Explain what the connection is to the mastina wagon. What am I trying to do here? Discredit you to lessen the support for the mastina lynch? What is your point exactly?

You are trying to do the same thing Mastina is, create a distraction.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Thread is lively tonight, great to see the market thriving.

I really could see Saudade going either way and I'm hoping that come later dayphases the push there won't be seen as a waste. I still could go either way on the slot, Dann did a lot to improve it but I could still see the slot flipping scum and I'm really hoping I didn't choke on the scum wagon there. But I honestly don't know I feel there since I have relatively mixed feelings after his replacement.

It's occurred to me that I'm busy enough lately that if I do the numbers thing again I'm never going to get a list out before this day ends. So we're doing this.

Bad investments: Flavor Leaf, Nancy Drew, Gamma Emerald

Risky investments: Ausuka, Party Boat, light_ganski, sheepsaysmeep

Mysterious investments: Kokichi Oma, Vaxkiller, Dannflor, Xtoxm, mastina, Wisdom, Purrcocet

Potential investments: Enter

"Top 4" investments: Vonflare, TheBrie, Trekkie99, singletonking

I feel like this is not where I expected to be right now but I think it's where I'm at anyway

pedit: there were a lot of posts while I was typing this but I'm just gonna leave it as is and then review the new stuff

Enter is Hebichan slot, which I hard townread. I don’t understand the top 4? Can you explain it to me?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I honestly don't see Enter/Stina scumteam. The Chainsaw is too obvious. Could be either or neither, but not both.

Hebichan is another slot I’m good at reading and I see no reason to scumread that slot. Mastina is just that good at fooling people. ISO her in RC uPick game, if you don’t believe me. Nearly everyone had her at obvtown - until she flipped.

[Nancy Drew 39]

L-4. Gamma put her to L-3 then Enter unvoted.

I'll hammer tomorrow if someone puts her in range.

I'd still prefer an actual scumread though. Like sheep, who had a crazy amount of resistance due to literally just Nancy's meta read and has high partner equity with mastina or Ausuka who has high resistance because literally no one is townreading her. :shrug:

Sheep is a common mislynch, when he’s actually scum - like in MBoS, it freaking obvious. He is town here and it frustrates me that once again, people don’t listen to me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nearly everyone had her at obvtown - until she flipped.

which should ring bells for you when everyone and their cat wants to lynch her here

No because as Jingle has correctly pointed out, scum!Mastina plays to be lynched. This is to a T, virtually the exact same game as in MBoS, where as sheep OTOH, is playing extremely differently here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

For all the people townreading Mastina:


https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=28641


@Sheep, she was “transparently town” there too, until she flipped.

[Nancy Drew 39]

sheep feels hard pocketed more than wolf, tbh
but we can discuss tomorrow
lets enjoy this for now

Sheep’s defense of Mastina is blatantly townie, IMO.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Spoiler:

So how about just use it privately

That doesn't mean discussion shouldn't be made.

Also, since Starcraft Mafia ended, I can say that was the main basis behind my the worst scumread--I

knew

he was scum that game in spite of Nancy insisting during the timeframe of this game at least that he was town there, which is why I said her ability to read him was shit; I already knew she was wrong there, so I thought she was wrong here.

I scumlocked him on D1. Wtf are you talking about? I even roleblocked him that night.

Scum!tw. Too damn bad this game just ended or maybe we could have stopped his mislynch. :/

And don't you fucking pretend that you had a correct read on him because you scumread him on D1, while townreading him for

the entire rest of the game

, up to and including

roleblocking

the only other town player alive

because

the worst asked you to

. He pocketed you hard. And I KNEW he had.

But Skitter and us had our rolechanged. How do you account for that?

BECAUSE YOU WERE MY FUCKING TARGET HOW DENSE CAN YOU BE

If you sent a rolechange to someone rn, when would they be informed of it?

You have the absolute shittiest reading comprehension I've ever seen

.

TW lynch happened at 9:29 PM, so we got our rolechange PM 3 minutes after that.

Which makes perfect sense.
Because I can change my target any time prior to the end of the phase.
Obviously, the change can't take place

until

the end of the phase. (Specifically, immediately after.)

I can submit any time prior to the lynch, and the change happens immediately after the lynch.

FL is right, you’re not mindfucking me in THIS game too. I’m on to you here.

For the record, if mastina continues quoting her own posts to comment on them, I will compromise on an investment on her.

NOW we're in business.

I am not aiming to look town; I am aiming to lynch scum. Let my actions do the speaking there

.

There we go.

My job is to hunt and lynch scum, not look town.

Looking town is what scum do; lynching scum is what town do. ~ Scum!Mastina from.BoS

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10635012

No offense but your posts are far from the clearest, most easy to understand

Except yes they are.
I am verbose SPECIFICALLY SO THAT I COMMUNICATE

MY

EXACT

MEANING.
There are NEVER two ways to interpret statements of mine. (Well, except for when I'm being a cheeky scumfuck. Or I guess when I'm town fakeclaiming/half-claiming which is the same cheekiness applied to the opposite alignment. BUT I DIGRESS.)

There is only the one.

Because there's only one interpretation of what my words mean.
Now, what that interpretation is, you can subdivide to mean a town thing or mean a scum thing, but you can never interpret it to mean one thing when it means something else.

Admittedly, I CAN misspeak.

But.
YOU.

Are literally.

YOU, not others.

YOU.

Are literally.

The ONLY player.

I have EVER encountered.

In the LAST YEAR.

Who hasn't.
Understood.

What I am saying.

So I feel damn fucking in my right to say that the problem's not on my end.

Literally every other fucking person understands; literally every other fucking person doesn't ask the questions you do, because they got it the first time.

So why don't you?

I could argue that really smart scum only sr the more mislynchable players and pocket obvtown.

What do you suppose Purrcocet's locktownread of you would be then?

She obviously does or else she wouldn’t have given me fruit N1.

The problem with Purrcocet is the following.
Follow along with this.
Okay.
So do you agree:
A town player with a fruit vendor role wants to not fruit vend to the nightkill.
You agree with that, right?

Okay, so a town player wants to not fruit vend to the nightkill.

Purrcocet sent fruit to you.
You obviously know that, right?

Okay, so Purrcocet sent fruit to you.

Purrcocet was townreading you as obvtown, right?
Okay, so Purrcocet sent fruit to you, when you were obvtown.

...Why weren't you a nightkill possibility to Purrcocet?

That

is the point I am raising. If Purrcocet thought you were obvtown, then Purrcocet as town would want to avoid fruit vending to you for fear of you eating the nightkill.

In contrast, if Purrcocet is scum who sent fruit to you, knowing who the scum are nightkilling, Purrcocet would know you weren't the one who would die, thus, Purrcocet would know you'd be alive to receive the fruit.

Sheep was your partner in that game and you voice no opinion on his play here wrt to that game.

How could I?

I.
Am.
A.
Fucking.
Replacement.

Who.
Hasn't.
Read.
The.
Game.

Is that not clear enough?

How can I voice my opinion on someone I haven't even really fucking gotten the chance to read the content on?

So of course my answer is to sheep someone who

has

--and who I trust to be

just as recently informed

. It's not like sheep and I talked at all in the scum PT, it's not like we had some sort of scum strategy we discussed; we submitted actions in there, and that was it. The only thing I have from that game is the same thing you do; his posts in the game thread itself.

Except now,

you have

more

than I do

, because you have the WHOLE of this game; I only have a PART of this game.

I dunno about you but if I replaced into a game with my former scumbuddy, the very first thing I’d do would be to ISO them, since based on that, they’d be a relatively easy sort.

Newsflash: I'm NOT you.

I

did

do something similar, but using a vastly different method.
No isos involved.
But reading your posts past my point of replacing in.
I went through a process.
"Town player I just played with--are their posts here almost identical to that towngame we just played?"
The answer was yes.
Given that, "Do I trust this player to be knowledgeable about who they are talking about?" Not for most players, but for your sheepsaysmeep read? Absolutely, yes.

I don’t understand. How are Purr and Dann remotely linked?

I have strong reasons to scumread Purrcocet; I have strong reasons to scumread Dann. However, the scumreads are mutually exclusive, because they simply don't work as scumbuddies given the myriad of interactions I've picked up across the game.

Obviously they could both be town, but that'd mean my scumread on both is wrong and I don't think it is. Well, I think one scumread is and the other isn't. The reasons they don't work as scumbuddies is basically all the stuff I've been talking about. The way votes have unfolded, the general aura of the game, they just don't work as partners but they both, separately, individually, work as scum in spite of me knowing only one of them can be.

I'm pretty clearly outside of my scum range though.

This must've happened before I replaced in because it sure as fuck isn't after I did.

First off, you are in no way fucking clear and YES, that is 100% on YOUR end. Do you really want to spend the rest of the game arguing this, because you’re not fucking changing my mind on this and ftr, I’m really getting irritated with you sniping at me, two games back to back and if you continue to do this, I will just ignore your posts, m’kay?


Wrt to Purr, you are being dense (see, I can be obnoxious too. ). Purr and me are friends and we had hoped to hydra together. You are asssuming that Purr was being strategic in a particular way. I am not remotely surprised that she gave it to me and she made 0 fuss about it either, so no I don’t view as meaning she knew I wouldn’t be the NK. Sometimes a cigar is really just a cigar, yah know.

No, it isn’t clear enough. You should 100% have ISO’d sheep. Btw, where is the town sweetheart Mastina you talked about in BoS?, because she sure as hell isn’t in THIS game, that’s for damn sure. I guess I should consider myself damn lucky you didn’t replace into Varsoon slot because no godddamned way would I want to be in a hood with someone who arrogantly talks down to people like you do.

I’ve actually felt like Mastina is hoping I kind of just trail off onto someone else.

Frankly I don't give a shit about you and I don't see why I should.

Mastina brought up that on her reads list Party Boat to Light Gandhi is pretty flexible.

A stance which has since changed and is now far more grounded and with only a small pool of four players whose positions are flexible. (Well, approximately four players, anyway.)

For instance you are a hard townread and have been since the get-go.

she’s actively choosing where she wants every player on her reads list.

No shit sherlock. That's literally the fucking point of making a readslist in the first place? It's to visualize where players stand in relationship to one another, and making active deliberate choices on where people are gives active, deliberate thoughts.

I promise (as if people believe promises) I didn't jump here just because Purr says I'm town.

But can you promise that literally any of your read changes aren't because general thread consensus was moving that way?

Purrcocet to town, Flavor Leaf to town, Xtoxm out of scum, Dannflor to town-enough, me from town to mixed, literally every single one of those changed reads is a read that is a thread consensus read.

Kinda feel like i was getting pocketed here

Pot.
Kettle.
Black.

Remind me what your first post about me was?

I'm pretty sure she's ignoring my presence in the game, because I'm ignoring hers. Mastina is easiest to sort when I ignore her.

Oh I am absolutely NOT ignoring you. The polar opposite of it, in fact. Just because I'm not quoting your posts (because there's nothing in them for me to quote) doesn't mean I'm not paying attention to you.

Why do you have to be so fucking hostile and rude to people? It just makes me want to skip all of your posts.[/quote]

Does mastina want people to invest in her coin?

In post 1476, the worst wrote:
In post 1472, Nibbui wrote:
I wonder if I'm getting under Mastina's charm though
She is strangely charming
(

Btw, that's actually a weak towntell of mine. scumastina is an ass, so is anything but charming. The charm comes from me when I'm town, since I just have a way with people, I guess

.) ~ scum!Mastina from BoS

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nearly everyone had her at obvtown - until she flipped.

which should ring bells for you when everyone and their cat wants to lynch her here

not true at all this lynch was WAY harder than it should have been
almost everyone not on the wagon was hard opposed to it
i think the only possible extra vte we could have got is wagon
everyone else was intent on disabling this lynch

Narp.

I honestly don't see Enter/Stina scumteam. The Chainsaw is too obvious. Could be either or neither, but not both.

Hebichan is another slot I’m good at reading and I see no reason to scumread that slot. Mastina is just that good at fooling people. ISO her in RC uPick game, if you don’t believe me. Nearly everyone had her at obvtown - until she flipped.

Bad example.

Why? Everyone obvtownread her, except for her scumpal Nico, that is.

[Nancy Drew 39]

oh, you mean in regards to you?

no. you're being scummy and I am pointing it out.

How because I disagreed with you on Mastina?

[Nancy Drew 39]

oh, you mean in regards to you?

no. you're being scummy and I am pointing it out.

How because I disagreed with you on Mastina?

you are trying to lynch a claimed jk who has done nothing different than she usually does
you are discrediting my ausuka push despite having no reason to townread her
you push nonsense bs like "wisdom is trying to mindfuck purr" and "wisdom is trying to intimidate me" and "wisdom is discrediting reads" none of which i am doing

plenty of reasons to scumread you, nancy. nothing ridiculous about it

You were wrong on Leo, who you hardpushed, despite the claim. Yeah, I did townread Theta but then when Mastina replaced in she played to her scum meta, so if I’m wrong here, it’s Mastina’s fault for acting so damned scummy. I really don’t think I am though. She acted the exact same way in MBoS. Why do you keep ignoring that?

[Nancy Drew 39]

P.edit. That’s the part you’re ignoring Wisdom. She was doing something “different” here - playing to her obvscum meta.

Does mastina want people to invest in her coin?

In post 1476, the worst wrote:
In post 1472, Nibbui wrote:
I wonder if I'm getting under Mastina's charm though
She is strangely charming
(

Btw, that's actually a weak towntell of mine. scumastina is an ass, so is anything but charming. The charm comes from me when I'm town, since I just have a way with people, I guess

.) ~ scum!Mastina from BoS

[Nancy Drew 39]

when Mastina replaced in she played to her scum meta, so if I’m wrong here, it’s Mastina’s fault for acting so damned scummy.

this is bullshit
nothing mastina did was scum indicative
it's your fault and the others' that pushed this shit

town mastina was an ass to me in scummer upick
didnt make her scum

P.edit. That’s the part you’re ignoring Wisdom. She was doing something “different” here - playing to her obvscum meta.

Does mastina want people to invest in her coin?

In post 1476, the worst wrote:
In post 1472, Nibbui wrote:
I wonder if I'm getting under Mastina's charm though
She is strangely charming
(

Btw, that's actually a weak towntell of mine. scumastina is an ass, so is anything but charming. The charm comes from me when I'm town, since I just have a way with people, I guess

.) ~ scum!Mastina from BoS

So, you’re saying she completely lacks any self-awareness here or what?

[Nancy Drew 39]

town mastina was an ass to me in scummer upick
didnt make her scum

And why did you wait until now, to share this?

[Nancy Drew 39]

because i havent even bothered to read the "cases" on mastina

i knew theyre shit

If you had evidence to debunk what Mastina herself, posted about her meta, you should have said something, because that was the main reason for my vote.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nearly everyone had her at obvtown - until she flipped.

which should ring bells for you when everyone and their cat wants to lynch her here

not true at all this lynch was WAY harder than it should have been
almost everyone not on the wagon was hard opposed to it
i think the only possible extra vte we could have got is wagon
everyone else was intent on disabling this lynch

Narp.

I honestly don't see Enter/Stina scumteam. The Chainsaw is too obvious. Could be either or neither, but not both.

Hebichan is another slot I’m good at reading and I see no reason to scumread that slot. Mastina is just that good at fooling people. ISO her in RC uPick game, if you don’t believe me. Nearly everyone had her at obvtown - until she flipped.

Bad example.

Why? Everyone obvtownread her, except for her scumpal Nico, that is.

Nope?

JJh and I spent literally PAGES of mechanical discussion preventing her lynch from the moment I stepped into the game. It was mechanically optimal not to lynch her, and there were still a bunch of people (Fire, Varsoon, Invis, Mememen etc) who wanted to lynch her. Even the people who were townreading her were mostly doing so because the play of clearing a bunch of townies just didn't make sense for scum to do. I literally derailed wagons on her on consecutive days. She was not "obvtown" by any stretch of the imagination.

Also, go ahead and list the people who opposed the mastina lynch. I'll help. Jingle, Wisdom, Sheep. Yup, a third of the 'resistance' to the lynch was the hammer.

Enter kind of did at the end when I'd already made it clear I was proanything but a townread and was arguing against the lynch largely to point out that the stances of the people on the wagon itself were garbage. Brie and Wagon were both outright support. Koki wants the day to end by any means necessary. BNL and vax were on a better wagon, but neither seemed especially against the mastina lynch. Vonflare and light haven't done shit in days, and thus can't be said to have been against the wagon that popped up since they've been disconnected. And PB... Has done literally fuckall since I stopped pushing that read.

Compared to the Ausuka lynch, the sheep lynch, the PB lynch, the Dannflor lynch (that had the passive support of pretty much everyone), the mastina lynch was easy as fuck to get through.

I’m confused here, I was referring to RC uPick game? Nico wasn’t in this game.

[Nancy Drew 39]

If you had evidence to debunk what Mastina herself, posted about her meta, you should have said something, because that was the main reason for my vote.

Yup, and trusting a post that is definitely designed to mislead you in a future game was a really solid reason for voting in the first place.

PEdit: First paragraph is about RC UPIck, second is about the continued assertion that there was resistance to mastina's wagon.

I just finished a game where scum!Mastina kept attacking me in a similar way, she did here and since she had prior knowledge of how easy it was to provoke me, if you just pushed the right buttons, I figured that must also be what she was trying to do here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Ausuka
Gamma
Hebi
Kokichi
Nancy
Sheep
TheBrie
Varsoon
Vonflare
---------
Overkill
Edosurist
Jaylow7
Leodanny
Party Boat
Profii
Purrcocet
Singletonking
Theta Alpine (probably SK)
Vaxkiller
Wagonomics
Wisdom
Xtoxm

They're in alphabetical order because that's the order I ISO skimmed people in.

I’m assuming the top half are her townreads and the bottom half are scumreads.

@Jingle

[Nancy Drew 39]

---------------

CheekyTeeky
sheep
Nancy
Gamma

---------------

purrcocet
Koki
0verk1ll
Ausuka
Edosurist
vax
singletonking
wagonomics
Party boat
TheBrie
Hebichan
wisdom
xtoxm
vonflare

---------------

theta
varsoon
Jaylow
leodanny

---------------

despite a lot being in the middle nully sort of area they are sort of sorted a bit but just not with strong enough vibes to get them over the line into the town or scum sections.
The low posters should mainly be in the middle as total nullers though.


VOTE: leodanny

seems to be a lot of noise and not a lot of scum hunting here

Hope, this is useful.

[Nancy Drew 39]

the reporter hastens her speed to match his. he clearly wants to avoid this conversation, but she isn't going to allow that.
"Mayor, what do you have to say about the string of violent deaths that have struck the town in recent weeks?"
"I don't have anything to say. no comment."
"you don't think the office of the Mayor needs to comment on these brutal attacks? twice now a mob has killed innocent people. you don't care about that?"
"I said no comment."
"...off the record?"
she makes a big show of turning her voice recorder off. she's genuinely curious to hear what he has to say about the wave of death that has stuck his town. he stops and turns to her.
"...you want my opinion? off the record? fine. whole world's goin' to hell. things are just gonna keep getting worse. I'm here to keep the lights on."
"so you don't care?"
"who said I don't care? of course I care. I got this job because I was retiring. that doesn't mean I'm good at it. here's the thing, though: I don't think anyone is up for it. Dad certainly wasn't. people respected him enough to do what he said, but that doesn't mean he knew what folks should be doing."
"couldn't you gain the respect you need to stop this death if you ended this media silence?"
"...maybe."
"maybe? what does that mean?"
"I'll get back to you."

Jingle has died, and was a town triple voter.

Dannflor has died, and was a mafia day 3 vigilante

.

votecount 3.01

18 players not voting (Xtoxm, Flavor Leaf, Purrcocet, Nancy Drew 39, Trekkie99, Ausuka, Gamma Emerald, TheBrie, vonflare, Kokichi Oma, light_ganski, Wisdom, singletonking, Vaxkiller, Wagonomics, Party Boat, Enter, sheepsaysmeep)

with 18 votes, it takes 10 to lynch.

mod notes: there's no mod notes!!! wow

I was right initially on that slot being scum. So. we either have a vig or it’s multiball?

[Nancy Drew 39]

and she was my top 1 scum but i dont see why she fakeclaims a guilty here

Good thing we didn’t listen to your push on her.

actually ill just out him because fuck him for not giving me fruit again

vax gave me fruit n1

hence me repeatedly wanting people not to lynch him

given purr is also a fruit vendor though, vax could be scum

Yeah, quite likely.

[Nancy Drew 39]

votecount 2.18

12 players voting for mastina (Xtoxm, Flavor Leaf, Purrcocet, Nancy Drew 39, Trekkie99, Ausuka, Dannflor, Gamma Emerald, TheBrie, Jingle, Jingle, Jingle)

4 players voting for Dannflor (mastina, vonflare, Kokichi Oma, light_ganski)

3 players voting for Ausuka (Wisdom, singletonking, Vaxkiller)
1 player voting for vonflare (Wagonomics)

3 players not voting (Party Boat, Enter, sheepsaysmeep)

with 23 votes, it takes 12 to lynch.

mod notes: wish me luck becoming not sick soon........... rip me. also, I edited post 3059 to fix a formatting issue that affected most of page 123.

Is the Dannflor wagon clear? Most likely.

So Vonflare, Kokichi, Light are probably town.

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: Party Boat

[Nancy Drew 39]

To answer GE's question if I could lynch four right now it would be pb -> wag -> xtomx -> vax

(mostly cuz Vax moves his vote around a lot, seems to not be really invested in the game, but I haven't really finished reading him so I'm not sure at this point and wouldn't really feel comfortable lynching)


also VOTE: Party boat

Why Wag?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm here, I obv haven't flaked when I posted right before the lynch

I will get lynched but obviously lynch fucking ausuka afterwards and don't give her any leeway for 'oh no my results got messed up woe is meeeeeeeeee' when varsoon's already fucking fakeclaimed and gotten away with it

I'll be around and I can give reads but tbh I haven't read shit b/c I was hoping to die in the night and not have to do things

Varsoon fakeclaims like he breathes, apparently that is not at all true for Ausuka.

[Nancy Drew 39]

also I feel that I should point out that if ausuka was real she'd very, very likely have some reads or some sort of 2nd result (you know from the 1st night that also existed) she'd want to share before she died
and yeah she'll either make up something now or claim odd/even whatever but seriously ASK HER FOR THOSE READS and tell me afterwards which one of us you think is legit town here

because as I said to varsoon when he came up with a fake guilty, I think I've done enough shit this game for people to be able to read me. I'm not gonna be mad if I get lynched from a fake guilty since it'll still get a scum lynch (and probably a 2nd on flavor) afterwards, but read the shit I have posted this game about varsoon and jaylow and saud and tell me genuinely after hearing that and whatever reads ausuka claims to have that you think I'm scum over her.

Why does Ausuka claim a fake guilty on you? I’m surprised she even checked you.

[Nancy Drew 39]

this feels a lot like town!dann already even from the first post alone (i did a meta dive on him in the trekkie game leaned earlier ps trekkie is still villa)

and i'd honestly expect him to have that type of w read on me with the meta information he has

nice try but you're still voting me so ??

What are your reads? Who do you think is the best lynch today if you think I'm town? and I don't wanna hear more of "doesn't matter who as long as it's soon"

hey ausuka help the mastina wagon grow?
i'll consider not sheeping wisdom on you
i have a high opinion of his scumhunting so this is good offer

Isn't it kinda suboptimal to lynch a claimed PR when players like Sheep and Vax exist?

#2549 from ausuka reads town self preservation and not scum self preservation

I'm gonna get lunch in a few minutes

but also read through the 20 or so pages that I was just gone from where the wagons went from Dannflor and Ausuka to mastina

cause shit like this is in there as a reminder

Dann wanted Mastina lynch over Ausuka?

[Nancy Drew 39]

and she was my top 1 scum but i dont see why she fakeclaims a guilty here

Good thing we didn’t listen to your push on her.

actually ill just out him because fuck him for not giving me fruit again

vax gave me fruit n1

hence me repeatedly wanting people not to lynch him

given purr is also a fruit vendor though, vax could be scum

Yeah, quite likely.

If anyone wants my reads badly (and I doubt it) Wis/Vax/PB are scum, you know this already.

Do you think Wisdom had a TMI on Mastina?

[Nancy Drew 39]

ALSO I feel that I should point out that Jingle was the nightkill last night after bringing up profii's scumlist near the end of the day, which I literally ALSO DID EXACTLY yesterday and tried to lynch fucking both people on it that weren't theta/mastina because the way theta claimed made him obvtown to me

This is a scumclaim btw if anyone missed it and still had doubts. It's hilariously reachy to claim Jingle was killed for any reason other than his ability.
So is Koki's dayvig I think if this turns out multiball at any point in time (see: dannflor's flip.) Hopeful for this flip though so thank you.

The nancy quote is an accident, I pressed q+ on mobile.

Yep, I think the Dann wagon is pure, so Kokichi=confitown, along with Light and von flare.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Actually screw it.

kill: Vaxkiller

I think that most likely flips scum.

I haven’t liked any of his posts, this game.

[Nancy Drew 39]

ALSO I feel that I should point out that Jingle was the nightkill last night after bringing up profii's scumlist near the end of the day, which I literally ALSO DID EXACTLY yesterday and tried to lynch fucking both people on it that weren't theta/mastina because the way theta claimed made him obvtown to me

This is a scumclaim btw if anyone missed it and still had doubts. It's hilariously reachy to claim Jingle was killed for any reason other than his ability.
So is Koki's dayvig I think if this turns out multiball at any point in time (see: dannflor's flip.) Hopeful for this flip though so thank you.

The nancy quote is an accident, I pressed q+ on mobile.

@PB, she is right. What other reason do you need to whack the town triple voter?

[Nancy Drew 39]

If Night 2 cop btw so can't give the "other result" PB speaks of. If I had one I'd tell you.

I think Ausuka is telling the truth here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

i think koki is town actually
it looks like town has doubles of PRs to mafia singles...so like 2 town JKs, 1 maf JK
2 town day vigs, 1 maf davig

Yeah, the entire Dann wagon is confitown, I think.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I see pb flipping red because
Don't see Ausuka fake claiming at all for no reason

sheep is a good next lynch

Purr, why have you been ignoring everything I’ve been saying about sheep? Scum!sheep doesn’t try to save town!Mastina ever. I have played numerous games with him. Sheep is town.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Basically I don't think PB reacts to your play this way as scum. I don't think to same holds true vice versa.
As for the Dannflor interactions, it doesn't always do so but the way in which it happened makes sense as scum defending a buddy

I was set up by scum!Mastina recently as her scumbuddy, so I know that is a thing and PB’s reasoning for Jingle NK, don’t really make sense but Ausuka’s does. Town triple voter, you don’t need any other reason.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Also, yes, Jingle getting killed makes sense b/c of his role

but that doesn't rule out the possibility that he was an even better target because of his reads

18 days, my bad. Not 22.

Regardless, that’s a long ass time for me to have joined in this day phase.

You guys act like you replacing in late.

I replaced in LITERALLY THIS SAME DAY PHASE.

Yarp.

My never touch list:

Nancy, xtoxm, Gamma, Trekkie, Saudade slot

I'll eat a hat if there isn't a scum in there.

True but unless he was super pocketed by scum, he was always going to be the lynch and as we now know, he got Dann/Saudade/Jaylow correct.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Basically I don't think PB reacts to your play this way as scum. I don't think to same holds true vice versa.
As for the Dannflor interactions, it doesn't always do so but the way in which it happened makes sense as scum defending a buddy

Okay but why? Why doesn't PB do this as scum? Why do I do this as acum? Why do our interactions look so buddyish to you? And assuming this is multiball which it looks like, why would I just kill myself right after my buddy dies, probably only leaving one member remaining versus a likely three on the other team?

it's pretty unlikely to be multiball now that we only have a 'mafia' flip (except for SK possibilities)

So, Dann was vigged?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Basically I don't think PB reacts to your play this way as scum. I don't think to same holds true vice versa.
As for the Dannflor interactions, it doesn't always do so but the way in which it happened makes sense as scum defending a buddy

I was set up by scum!Mastina recently as her scumbuddy, so I know that is a thing and PB’s reasoning for Jingle NK, don’t really make sense but Ausuka’s does. Town triple voter, you don’t need any other reason.

Ok, never mentioned the NK?
The setup thing I guess makes sense. Still don't like how Ausuka is playing here.

Yeah, it sounds weird to me, that PBis harping on Jingle’s reads since, being triple voter, is all that’s necessary. In Heroes, we killed Ausuka - eventhough I was her #1 townread, due to her having so many powers. She was just too dangerous to let remain in that game,

[Nancy Drew 39]

I see pb flipping red because
Don't see Ausuka fake claiming at all for no reason

sheep is a good next lynch

Purr, why have you been ignoring everything I’ve been saying about sheep? Scum!sheep doesn’t try to save town!Mastina ever. I have played numerous games with him. Sheep is town.

Meta isn't good as a general rule

Good scum will just emulate their town range to the point where you can't tell the difference

I have played numerous games with sheep and he was scum recently in a game that was happening concurrent to this one, where he played extremely differently. No offense to sheep but I just don’t believe that it is within his scumrange to pull that off.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Basically I don't think PB reacts to your play this way as scum. I don't think to same holds true vice versa.
As for the Dannflor interactions, it doesn't always do so but the way in which it happened makes sense as scum defending a buddy

Okay but why? Why doesn't PB do this as scum? Why do I do this as acum? Why do our interactions look so buddyish to you? And assuming this is multiball which it looks like, why would I just kill myself right after my buddy dies, probably only leaving one member remaining versus a likely three on the other team?

it's pretty unlikely to be multiball now that we only have a 'mafia' flip (except for SK possibilities)

So, Dann was vigged?

we have two dead 1-shot vigs and kokichi who has just shot someone

an entire second scumteam with that is possible but would be pretty fucking weird, especially with no alternate scumteam flavor like xyzzy did for Echo Bay Grits

it's very likely either vig or SK

Why does SK ever shoot Dann? SK wants to maximize KP on town.

[Nancy Drew 39]

wait a second I think it could be singleball, and there's probably a design philosophy I just cracked, the setup seems very based on kills and kill stopping.
Which calls into questions an investigative, Ausuka, have you claimed what your role is?

im following him because i have identified a fellow town member and im working with him to solve the game

wait a second I think it could be singleball, and there's probably a design philosophy I just cracked, the setup seems very based on kills and kill stopping.
Which calls into questions an investigative, Ausuka, have you claimed what your role is?

Yes, n2 cop. Also how do fruit vendor shenanigans fit into this, like, at all.

Wisdom claimed to have received fruit from Vax N1 and I received fruit from Purr N1.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Why does SK ever shoot Dann? SK wants to maximize KP on town.

^maybe not when the town has lynched two straight town jailkeepers

I'll be a little pissed if there are 2 fruit vendors because that serves no functional purpose
You could argue some town util for the other duplicate prs we have



ALSO I M THE SPECIAL CHOSEN ONE! VAX IS NOT WORYTHY.

[Nancy Drew 39]

wait a second I think it could be singleball, and there's probably a design philosophy I just cracked, the setup seems very based on kills and kill stopping.
Which calls into questions an investigative, Ausuka, have you claimed what your role is?

Yes, n2 cop. Also how do fruit vendor shenanigans fit into this, like, at all.

who is a FV?

Vax/Purr

[Nancy Drew 39]

votecount 2.17

8 players voting for mastina (Xtoxm, Flavor Leaf, Purrcocet, Enter, Nancy Drew 39, Trekkie99, Ausuka, Dannflor)
6 players voting for Ausuka (Jingle, Jingle, Jingle, Wisdom, singletonking, Vaxkiller)

5 players voting for Dannflor (mastina, vonflare, sheepsaysmeep, Kokichi Oma, light_ganski,)

1 player voting for Xtoxm (Gamma Emerald)
1 on vonflare (Wagonomics,)
1 on vax (TheBrie, )

1 player not voting ( Party Boat, )

with 23 votes, it takes 12 to lynch.

mod notes: Saudade has been replaced by Dannflor!

updated VC. You're welcome, xyzzy

Further confirmation that sheep is town, along with vonflare, Kokichi, light and obviously Mastina.

[Nancy Drew 39]

ohkay
why do you know who gave them to you?

I was told directly in my message that Purr sent me the fruit and Wisdom is claiming the same thing about Vax.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Also kokichi where's your IC confirmation?

If Vax is dead, I think it’s confirmed.

[Nancy Drew 39]

actually if dayvigs are public then theyre really crappy as mafia roles and he's not totally clear

but 90/100

He was on Dann wagon, so I thinking everyone on that is town.

What do you make of PB/Ausuka/Wisdom?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Spoiler:

I'd also like to point out a lot of things from my iso up until early last week

b/c there sure is a lot of fucking reason in it for ausuka to fake a guilty on me in particular once she's decided that she wants to fake one on someone given that dann just flipped scum and the connections between them

also jingle if you wanted me dead before wait til you read this

now that we have what seems to be just about an ACTUAL FUNCTIONING GAME I'm gonna start jumping between wagons on my scumreads for a bit in the hopes of making an actual wagon happen that can in turn make things happen in the game

So everyone plz pretend that my vote is on all of Flavor/Saud/Ausuka for right now because it might as well be
VOTE: Saudade

VOTE: Ausuka

I don’t understand the Ausuka wagon either.

Why not Saudade?

ausuka just hasn't done shit all game and doesn't have any reads that aren't incredibly easy to fake as scum

i would love a saudade wagon but people gotta be willing to change votes or convince other people to change votes to actually make a lynch happen

if more people haven't hopped on ausuka by tomorrow I'll prob go back to saud. or maybe flavor. gotta do somethin' to help make the game function tho

progressss

VOTE: Saudade

when saudade flips town remember this resistance to voting ausuka

Same thing to Sheep.

so do you actually scumread ausuka or are you just saying that you still scumread sheep?

mostly b/c assuming you're town for a second the entire reason varsoon had a fakeclaiming hissy fit was because I told him he was playing like shit and there was zero chance of sheep actually getting enough votes to be lynched today

which is in fact still true for sheep but not for ausuka

i have better reads now though? and since i'm a wagon i have to at least try and produce content to make people tr me, that goes for either alignment. And like am I not supposed to talk about my scumreads because that's news to me?

?

so like

what "better" reads do you have now exactly

i have better reads now though? and since i'm a wagon i have to at least try and produce content to make people tr me, that goes for either alignment. And like am I not supposed to talk about my scumreads because that's news to me?

?

so like

what "better" reads do you have now exactly

I meant that I have stronger reads, as in two scumreads I believe in rather than just one and I feel more strongly about both. that was unclear sorry. I would argue that my Vax read is now better because I now have more evidence for it but that's an opinion.

so one is vax

is the other Saud or Gemerald or Xtomx or someone else b/c I can't really tell from your iso
and what makes you feel stronger about them now?

VOTE: saudade

i dislike an ausuka lynch because she has villagery content and saudade because he's just a null lurker but is in everyones poe anyway shrug

l-2

tell me more of this villagery content

what exactly is villagery from ausuka in your opinion?

Let's just quickly make sure the game isn't going to fall apart and...

votecount 2.16

8 players voting for Saudade (Wagonomics, Nancy Drew 39, TheBrie, light_ganski, Trekkie99, Party Boat, mastina, vonflare)

mod notes: if Saudade doesn't show up in the next day or so he will be replaced.

Wow. Alright. Someone explain why we're wagoning the lurker?

Jaylow (who saud replaced) made two posts, the first of which was in my opinion very bad, and then ceased to exist

Saud replaced in with a decent amount of goodwill from flavor leaf and other people happy that the slot had finally been replaced, made a series of profoundly mediocre posts with no content aside from a nancy scumread for about 4 days, and then also ceased to exist

of the 5 weeks or so the game has been open the slot has posted on six of those days. people can agree that the slot should die and cannot agree that another slot should die

so killing it is super fine. perhaps even ULTRA-fine. if you want to post some thoughts tonight I can unvote until tomorrow if you want but given that you've said you'll be V/LA over the weekend and that both of the wagons atm I'm quite happy with you can bug some other people if you want the lynch to be on hold for longer than that.

VOTE: unvote

Hi Dann

tell us ur thoughts when you get around to reading some stuff

I'm not going to have time read up on this today or tonight, sorry

if I haven't posted by thursday evening feel free to hassle me until I get back and do shit

Ok so sure you bussed saud and you scumread me. You weren't the only one and tbh if I was scum I would've gone for wisdom not you.

Ausuka seems pretty convincing, my vote stays.

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: Party Boat

[Nancy Drew 39]

Vaxkiller has died, and was a town fruit vendor.

votecount 3.02

17 players not voting (Xtoxm, Flavor Leaf, Purrcocet, Nancy Drew 39, Trekkie99, Ausuka, Gamma Emerald, TheBrie, vonflare, Kokichi Oma, light_ganski, Wisdom, singletonking, Wagonomics, Party Boat, Enter, sheepsaysmeep)

with 17 votes, it takes 9 to lynch.

mod notes: as a consequence of Vaxkiller dying, the votecount has been reset. listen: sometimes you count up a bunch of votes and then someone dies and all your hard work is undone. these things happen and all you can do is laugh it off

Why does Vax always act so scummy?

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: Ausuka

[Nancy Drew 39]

huh.
nancy is the scum in the hood then.
nancy+light+ausuka
VOTE: ausuka

[Nancy Drew 39]

huh.
nancy is the scum in the hood then.
nancy+light+ausuka
VOTE: ausuka

I’m not sure what you are but stop acting so scummy and light was on Dann, genius.

[Nancy Drew 39]

yep nancy is still prolly scum

You’re really good at this game.

[Nancy Drew 39]

thanks

its not like ive caught ausuka since forever after all

and she was my top 1 scum but i dont see why she fakeclaims a guilty here

[Nancy Drew 39]

wrong assessment

I only voted PB because I believed her guilty. She sounded convincing.

[Nancy Drew 39]

yep nancy is still prolly scum

wrong assessment

huh.
nancy is the scum in the hood then.
nancy+light+ausuka
VOTE: ausuka

yep nancy is still prolly scum

Any chance Wisdom and Xtoxm are linked here?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Sigh
I really had bad feelings about the PB guilty

Also there seem to be a lot of Day 3 vigs
Any chance there’s another to shoot Ausuka?

I hardtown read him but Ausuka sounded so convincing. I wish but I’m not a PR. :/

[Nancy Drew 39]

xtoxm is town

You can’t read me, so that means zilch to me.

And coincidentally, he also shades me for no good reason.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Any chance Wisdom and Xtoxm are linked here?

Quite possibly. Haven't really been able to read wisdom tbh so will have to re iso at some point

Its quite easy to play you Flavor

This post keeps pinging me. Like Saudade had a TMI on FL.

[Nancy Drew 39]

"that doesn't mean you had to kill me. there are plenty of other ways you could've made sure your birth succeeded."
"trust me, Roderick, I've run billions of simulations of the last couple months. this was the only way."
"I really would've fucked it up that bad?"
"you really would have, yes."
"so what happens now?"
"we wait it out. Emma thinks that she can't risk changing the timeline, and that's our biggest advantage, because we know we can, but we also need to avoid revealing that too early. we've already lost this round, so there's really no reason for us to try to change any of this. ultimately, she still has all the advantage here."
"what advantage does she have? like if time travel is a thing, why don't we just... do that?"
"we both have access to time travel, yes, but of completely different kinds. keep in mind that the computer your consciousness exists on, for instance, exists in the future. the data is being transmitted through time to a much more primitive computer here in the past, but the computer itself -- your actual consciousness -- is back here. she's the one who has the technology needed to send actual physical material through time."
"wait, so, does that mean... did she send you back? is that how you're here?"
"yes, exactly. thirteen years from now, I'll be sent back to the 80s. then, at 21, I get hired by Markus, Sr., and... that's how we end up here."
"I guess that all... kind of makes sense, actually. do you think you can stop her, though? it seems like she pretty much completely has the upper hand here, and... do we even know for sure what she wants?"
"what she wants is to stop the sequences from successfully going through. she just has to prevent one of them from succeeding and then she's blown the whole thing."
"and we're behind on resources, behind on information, and decades in the past. how are we supposed to stop her?"
"hey, I'm pretty clever, Roderick. after all... I wasn't born yesterday."

Wagonomics has died, and was a town 3-month vigilante.

Trekkie99 has died, and was a townie.

votecount 4.01

13 players not voting (Enter, light_ganski, Xtoxm, Wisdom, Nancy Drew 39, Purrcocet, Kokichi Oma, Flavor Leaf, Gamma Emerald, TheBrie, vonflare, singletonking, sheepsaysmeep)

with 13 votes, it takes 7 to lynch.

mod notes:

Scum obviously loves me this game.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Actually, what am I talking about...

VOTE: Unvote

Screw that reaction test, I have a Nancy.

@Nancy - ATTTTTACKKKKK!!!!!

That last wagon on you had virtually no resistance, so probably town, since I tr Varsoon despite the insane cop thing.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Please don’t lynch Xtoxm. My dying wish.

Xtoxm is more likely to be scum then you and I don’t think you’re w/w here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

i think gamma has been somewhat wolfy as well but idt he's ever w/w with flavor

he isnt because flavor is town

I agree that FL is probably a mislynch. I still think scum!Saudade had a TMI on FL.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Its quite easy to play you Flavor

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: singleton

can also lynch gamma and

vonflare

Vonflare was on Dann wagon. What have you been smoking?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I would say if I go down, lynch off the people who have been pushing FL/Xtoxm.

There is lazy scum in there.

Gamma’s probably scum with Light.

I usually lose grasp of games when I can’t hold on to Gamma for support.

He also doesn’t push me when he’s town after having gotten to a town read.

So Gamma’s likely scum, and I have no interest in arguing further with it. He’ll win the 1v1 in this scenario.

No Light was on Dann wagon. so I’m not touching anyone who was on that wagon.

[Nancy Drew 39]

i dont need convincing to vote gamma

VOTE: gamma

Wisdom and FL are never w/w since scum!Wisdom would probably bus. So, I’m kind of thinking FL may be spewed green by this.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Hmm. I was half ready to jump on the Flavour Wagon, but by the time I'd read it all, I've got my town feeling back. Just because Party boat was utterly convinced Flavour is scum (1,000 legit reasons), doesn't mean he is. But then PB was so certain, and kinda worried that if he'd said nothing, Flavour wouldn't get a second thought, and he sort of has charmed most of us into liking him. So I don't trust him. But I'm not calling him scum.

I could vote Gamma. I don't have strong feelings either way myself right now, but both Ausuka and PB thought he was possible scum. Not definite, but possible. Or, ans so did Mastina, though she also had trekkie as scum, and her reads are kinda garbage. her VCA could be useful, if someone wanted to put the work in.

Mastina's Xtomx read came from his play. Still don't know it's accurate, and I don't want to lynch Xtomx right now, but he's far from lock town in my mind.
Vax has left us pretty much nothing in terms of useful reads, and no one defended or attacked him hard enough to get anything from that.
Trekkie has nothing of use but to remind me Gamma claimed. Roleblocker. Trying to counter claim, Theta's counter claim. Could be a scum role.

From these combined dead town reads, I'm thinking possibly a team of Light, Xtomx, and Gamma. I could see that working. But I'd rater vote Light.

VOTE: Light Ganski

You think he bussed Dann?

[Nancy Drew 39]

scum bus, nancy

being on a scum wagon isnt an automatic town indicator

But Dann seemed pretty townie, in contrast to Saudade and Jaylow.

[Nancy Drew 39]

vote saudude

idk if this is hammer or what

This is where vonflare voted saudade

saudade was the leading wagon with 7 votes

And vonflare nowhere expresses a scumread on him

Why is this not bussing?

But it wasn’t a hammer though. Dann was NK’d.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I don't think you got the point

Couldn’t vonflare also be bad town here?

Especially in this kind of setup?

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: light

guilty result

if we have another jester, i think its vonflare

You investigated Light?

Are you hardclaiming cop here?

Because, I’m really tired of fake cop claims. I’m still really pissed that Ausuka fooled me into mislynching PB.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Gamma isn't scum, xtoxm def is and flavour prob is

I really don’t think they’re linked. I’ve only played with SK!FL but I seriously doubt scum!him would ever be this careless with associatives.

I want to know what Xtoxm is basing that guilty on and who he investigated N1 and 2. I’m assuming if he’s on the level, he should have 2 innos.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Wisdom and FL are never w/w since scum!Wisdom would probably bus. So, I’m kind of thinking FL may be spewed green by this.

I want to think this but lets face it scum can town read each other as much as they bus each other

How do you think the hood was chosen then? At random? Because that’s a lot of scum in the hood if FL and Xtoxm are both scum. And then there’s the nearly successful wagon that Brie stopped and prevented FL lynch. How do you account for the almost no resistance to it?

Wisdom might be. His play here, reminds me of DnD mafia.

[Nancy Drew 39]

votecount 4.02

2 players voting for Flavor Leaf (Gamma Emerald, sheepsaysmeep)

2 players voting for Gamma Emerald (Flavor Leaf, Wisdom)
2 players voting for light_ganski (TheBrie, Xtoxm)

1 player voting for Xtoxm (light_ganski)

6 players not voting (Enter, Nancy Drew 39, Purrcocet, Kokichi Oma, vonflare, singletonking)

with 13 votes, it takes 7 to lynch.

mod notes:

This isn’t the first time FL and Xtoxm haven’t seen eye to eye on Gamma.

[Nancy Drew 39]

That jester really screwed us

+1

Kind of killed my interest in the game. Mislynched town due to fake guilty and no associatives.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Because it was easier to just ride out a lynch on me
Tbh at this point I don’t mind to much if I get lynched IF you lynch through Flavor/Xtoxm/Wisdom after. Problem is, don’t see it happening.

I don’t want to lynch Gamma, FL or Light.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'll case gamma either tonight or tomorrow if someone hasn't done so already by then, but she looks p town to me.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... &start=200

Scum!Gamma for reference.


https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... &start=400

Town!Gamma

[Nancy Drew 39]

Wisdom what's your read on Nancy?

Why not ask Purr?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Because I'm interested in Wisdom's response

Eh idk I have too many scumreads

But currently the one I'm feeling the most strongly about is
VOTE: Wisdom

Hmmm . . . interesting. Me too.

He did the exact same thing with Light vote that he did with FL earlier - vote and immediately unvote them. I kind of thought that was weird.

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: fl

VOTE: gamma

when saudade flips town remember this resistance to voting ausuka

They will because ausuka is actually scum while saudade is just bait people are apathetically voting to end the day

Danflor is the attempt at a counterwagon to save Mastina.

lmao
danflor wagon was around way before mastina
both wagons are terrible and distract from scum ausuka

ausuka, singleton, gamma, kokichi, vonflare, sheep

maybe light, maybe party boat but i have to reread those

everyone else i townread

and because I can sense the bs coming, here's further explanation on all of these

1647 - I state my disagreement with xtoxm's point; you wouldn't lie about hood things when other hood members can point it out. This doesn't make you town.

1848 - I call bs on Saudade's vote on you because his sole reason is his disliking of your playstyle/character, which I know to be nai. This doesn't make you town.

2438 - I speak generally on what I do when I am scum against you. Nothing to indicate anything about this game.

2457 - I say the same thing I just said to Purr. You don't need a case in order to see Ausuka is scum. This is theory. Not a townread.

we lynch him either way

zero chance ausuka is lying about the guilty

actually ill just out him because fuck him for not giving me fruit again

vax gave me fruit n1

hence me repeatedly wanting people not to lynch him

given purr is also a fruit vendor though, vax could be scum

and she was my top 1 scum but i dont see why she fakeclaims a guilty here

VOTE: light

VOTE: gamma

xtoxm light doesn't look like guiltied scum
retract your lie pls

[Nancy Drew 39]

because im sheeping wisdom and i actually dont care at all about the outcome of this game since the mod trolled us with a jester

Does that mean you townread Gammma? *confused*

[Nancy Drew 39]

it means stop asking stupid questions and vote for me

What?

And hey, be nice.

Why do you want me to vote for you?

[Nancy Drew 39]

singleton is also scum

but nobody listens

VOTE: Gamma Emerald
I think I'd lynch this over Varsoon. His posts today have been terrible: Most of them are about Theta, and even those that aren't are reactive.
Meanwhile Varsoon's play here is easy in the sense that it was easy to make.

So both Gamma and Varsoon are being terrible here and while I see both as scummy, I see Gamma as slightly more scummy. I also slightly townread Varsoon's entrance on reread.

Single and Gamma are never w/w here, so you’re wrong about at least one of them.

[Nancy Drew 39]

well didnt mean to snap

town has very likely already lost this game mathematically
i did have town feelings on him at some point yeah, not really anymore
FL and wisdom both want gamma so im following them, theyre my boys this game

Okay but my girl Purr doesn’t. She feels very strongly that Gamma is town and I’m not convinced he isn’t.

[Nancy Drew 39]

yo ive said this im not a girl lol

Oh sorry. You’re adorable regardless. <3

[Nancy Drew 39]

yep nancy is still prolly scum

Wisdom what's your read on Nancy?

neh the hood's all town

Guess

So, what changed?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Eh idk I have too many scumreads

But currently the one I'm feeling the most strongly about is
VOTE: Wisdom

Just realized that you jumped on Wisdom before you gave him a chance to even answer your question, so wtf was that all about?

[Nancy Drew 39]

singleton is also scum

but nobody listens

I’m not opposed to voting them.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Okay, here’s where I’m at. I’m not sure on Gamma being scum but I am confident that town!Wisdom can correctly read Gamma, so Wisdom needs to be resolved and I think Single’s most recent play, has been uberscummy.


So, I think we lynch Single today and Single red flip, townspews Wisdom. I trust town!Wisdom Gamma read, so I think we should lynch Single today.

VOTE: Singletonic

[Nancy Drew 39]

like im way more confident on gamma than singleton

the last thing i need is a town singleton flip to he used as an excuse to not lynch gamma

Why is gamma town, nancy?

I’m more confident on Single being scum than Gamma.

[Nancy Drew 39]

then you don't have a townread on gamma?

Purr hardtown reads her as did Wag, iirc. And no, I’m not convinced he’s scum but I think Single is obscum due to his most recent actions: Getting Xtoxm to L-2? I think, unvoting the asking you a question you already answered and then voting you before you could even respond. All of that, read super scummy to me but no, I’m not yet convinced on Gamma scum but I’m not 100% convinced on town!you but I don’t think you and Single are w/w so Single red flip, spews you probable town and once I feel confident about your alignment - one way or the other - it helps me to resolve Gamma.

[Nancy Drew 39]

im back in scum Nancy camp

i dont like her avoiding giving a clear stance on gamma, her reasoning for scumreading singleton is weak bs and looks like shes just trying to fuel my scumread there, and her "lets lynch singleton to resolve wisdom and gamma" feels like a way to save gamma and push me after single flips town

how is nancy in the hood, fl?

do you think she could be scum?

Glad I didn’t trust you in that case. That’s the problem, I’m not convinced you aren’t scum here. Maybe I should vote you over Single?

[Nancy Drew 39]

UNVOTE:

[Nancy Drew 39]

She’s hard pushing Single over Gamma to help sort you.

It’s kinda scummy, but at the same time, Nancy’s been doing some crazy emotional manipulation stuff as scum if she is scum, and I don’t know if I believe that she does a lot of the stuff she’s been doing this entire game as scum. Honestly, if she is scum, after this game, she can’t ever use the “you should be able to read me” as an excuse again, because she’d have been proven to be able to manipulate with emotion, and I don’t think she throws that away here. I don’t know if that’s a good reason to town read her, but it’s where I’m at.

I kind of hope some investigative would hit her so I can be sure, but I don’t think she acts this way as scum. I think in her mind she just really thinks the best way to sort you is by going Singleton. I’ve never seen her scum game, however.

I feel like Gamma red flip clears you more than a singleton red flip, and a singleton green or red flip doesn’t mean a Wisdom red flip.

But a Gamma red flip would lock it in for me for Wisdom to be green.

I’m reading Wisdom as town anyways. He’d been going way out of his way if he were scum here for a lot of things.

That’s the problem for me, I don’t trust Wisdom in this game. \_0_/

And his continued flipflopping on me, just keeps reinforcing it. Town!Wisdom would recognize that is typical townsorting me in that post but he’s not for some reason and that legit concerns me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I invite anyone who is still not convinced I’m town yet, to find one single game, where I put that much effort into sorting anyone as scum. I know Wisdom is far too lazy but to anyone reading any of scumgames, this should be blatantly obvious.

[Nancy Drew 39]

because it isnt

go ahead and vote me nancy, youre not getting me lynched anyway and it will only make me more confident im right

Riiight and what will you say after I’m flipped?

[Nancy Drew 39]

what effort have you put in here?

Are you scum here or are just really horrible in this game? Rn, I’m honestly not sure which.

You should know that the hardest thing for scum to ever do, is to make reads with conviction. That’s why, I’m really good at sorting Creature for example because he only has conviction as town, never as scum. I’m a lot better at it but like Sakura, like most players, that’s very difficult to do as scum. I would once again call on you

the brick wall

to get off your butt and metacheck me but we both know, that’s going to fall on deaf ears.

[Nancy Drew 39]

then you don't have a townread on gamma?

Purr hardtown reads her as did Wag, iirc. And no, I’m not convinced he’s scum but I think Single is obscum due to his most recent actions: Getting Xtoxm to L-2? I think, unvoting the asking you a question you already answered and then voting you before you could even respond. All of that, read super scummy to me but no, I’m not yet convinced on Gamma scum but I’m not 100% convinced on town!you but I don’t think you and Single are w/w so Single red flip, spews you probable town and once I feel confident about your alignment - one way or the other - it helps me to resolve Gamma.

If you think I ever make this kind of post as scum, you are either scum or you need to permanently give up any claim, to be able to read me correctly.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Sorry FL but town!Wisdom would just ridicule me as dense town here, not scumread me. I’ve played more than enough games with him, to predict his reactions to me as either alignment. I really doubt he’s town here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

That post is not effort. That post is waffling on gamma read, pushing shit reasons on single, and pushing the singleton town -> wisdom scum -> leave gamma alone agenda i described. You are not trying to sort anyone.

I’m not buying you being purposely dense here. I don’t think you’re this bad as town. Sorry.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think you and Single might be doing the distancing thing here.

You said that no one was listening to you about your Single scumread and now, you are opposed to his lynch?

I’m not liking that one bit. If you seriously believe that Gamma and Single are w/w here, why do you care what order those lynches happen in so much?

I already explained to you that I’m trusting both Purr’s Gamma read and Wag’s, as well as my thinking she could be town but you keep spinning it to try to push a bs scumread on me. I don’t buy that this ever comes from town!you.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Dense town you believes in moonlogical things and doesnt see reason

thats not whats happening here

youre actually pushing a scum agenda

THIS

THIS is why I don’t townread you in this game. Thanks for clarifying.

[Nancy Drew 39]

ill even bite and ask you more questions;

Why is singleton putting xtoxm at L-2 scummy?
Why is singleton asking me and voting me scummy?
Why am I not s/s with singleton?

Eh idk I have too many scumreads

But currently the one I'm feeling the most strongly about is
VOTE: Wisdom

Just realized that you jumped on Wisdom before you gave him a chance to even answer your question, so wtf was that all about?

He firsts puts Xtoxm at L-2, asks you a question you already answered and votes you BEFORE you could repond. But yeah, congrats on catching me pushing my scum agenda.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Gamma, how do you read FL? Do you still think he still possibly be scum here?

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Gamma, how do you read FL? Do you still think he still possibly be scum here?

I’m hardtown reading FL rn but if you’re not, I would like to understand your reasoning.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Yeah he does all that
The question was whats scummy about it

singleton is also scum

but nobody listens

[Nancy Drew 39]

youre still not explaining

I already explained to you that I’m trusting both Purr’s Gamma read and Wag’s

I seriously wish you would stop being so scummy because it’s just confusing me and totally not helping at all. :/

[Nancy Drew 39]

I seriously wish you would stop being so scummy because it’s just confusing me and totally not helping at all. :/

also this "im scumreading you but not really" act is just making you more scum, not less. Just saying.

God, I don’t know what you are here but you’re being so fucking antitown is really not helping with my Gamma read. I hope someone *figureatively* smacks some sense into you, before you cost us this game.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I seriously wish you would stop being so scummy because it’s just confusing me and totally not helping at all. :/

also this "im scumreading you but not really" act is just making you more scum, not less. Just saying.

Goof, b that way.

I give up.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I seriously wish you would stop being so scummy because it’s just confusing me and totally not helping at all. :/

also this "im scumreading you but not really" act is just making you more scum, not less. Just saying.

Good, be that way.

I give up.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Thats not what you need to explain.

You need to explain what is your "own thinking" on gamma town you talked about

And you need to explain what the scum motivation was in the singleton actions you pointed at.

I’ve explained things as best I can. I apologize it’s not enough for antitown/scum? you. God!

[Nancy Drew 39]

Youve explained nothing and I have shown it. Acting like you have only makes you look worse.

No it makes you look like you’re being beyond dense - irrespective of alignment.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I’m so glad you’re here Purr. <3 I honestly don’t even know wtf Wisdom is doing this game. It looks counterproductive from any perspective.

[Nancy Drew 39]

purr realize youre pocketed yet?

Stop embarrassing yourself here, seriously.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I thought i was scum, nancy

Have you resorted to just discrediting me now?

You’re being antitown af, whatever you are, that much I’m certain of.

[Nancy Drew 39]

i think id be able to tell if nancy was an evil cat

what about the open scum slots ur ignoring like sheep uwu

Purr, sheep isn’t scum here. *sigh*

[Nancy Drew 39]

sigh how is it possible to not see nancy is obvscum after i put effort into showing it

Because your reads are complete bullshit? Just a guess.

[Nancy Drew 39]

sigh how is it possible to not see nancy is obvscum after i put effort into showing it

VOTE: Wisdom

[Nancy Drew 39]

and fyi its lightscum not gamma


do i rly have to town case this


lol obv scum is a. bit of a reach

No, Wisdom just scumclaimed with that post.

He probably knows Light’s alignment.

[Nancy Drew 39]

NANCY GO GET THE LIGHTER FLUID

Why is Light scum and wasn’t he on Dann wagon?

[Nancy Drew 39]

the ausuka guilty thing rly made me think wis wasn't a wolf
i dont want to toss him in the scum pile for the weird nancy scumread

VOTE: nancyall this wahhh wahhh back n forth to play everyones emotions while generating nonsene

Is worthy of a vote

"weird"

Because showing her scum agenda and cornering her where she avoided answering my questions and explaining her bs is "weird"

get pocketed

Purr, you still confident Wisdom can’t be scum here?

[Nancy Drew 39]

oh yea I wanted to ask rlly quick

do I need to claim? my slot is at L-2? rnow but idk what the protocol is for games of this size

Don't claim. Especially with some pressure (I haven't been paying as much attention as I should be, but I have noticed that at least mastina thinks your lynch is bad) we can get a wagon going in a different direction.

I'll show up in a p big way hopefully some time tomorrow and get things going in a strong direction.

enter is town btw

Something we actually agree on.

One thing is clear, Wisdom is being a megafun destroyer in this game.

[Nancy Drew 39]

UNVOTE:

Meh, Wisdom is probably just being bad town wrt to me. \_0_/

But Purr is right, “Weird” is 100% the right word for his read on me.

I feel Nero nodding here, sympathetically.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Can't talk much rn but VOTE: dannflor

This isnt scum either

You’re agreeing with me too much now, stop.

[Nancy Drew 39]

nancy do i look like purr or sheep to you? Keep your "omg such mindmelding" tactics for them

I don’t know where you’re getting that from. I would never tell either of them to stop doing that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I agree with this. If Mastina were to flip town, Enter looks a lot like scum trying to buy town cred last second before the wagon goes through

more reason for enter town

Do I dare claim, to strongly agree with this or do you really have that bad tunnel vision on me this game?

[Nancy Drew 39]

The only way ill reconsider my read on you is if you vote gamma which youre avoiding like the plague

Well, that mostly on you, since your continued bizarre flipflpping on me, is not only confusing the hell out of me but messing with my ability to attempt to sort Gamma correctly.

And you not at all seeing that, makes me want to bang my head against a wall, repeatedly.

[Nancy Drew 39]

The only way ill reconsider my read on you is if you vote gamma which youre avoiding like the plague

Well, that mostly on you, since your continued bizarre flipflpping on me, is not only confusing the hell out of me but messing with my ability to attempt to sort Gamma correctly.

And you not at all seeing that, makes me want to bang my head against a wall, repeatedly.

more excuses, got it

or rather the same tired one

You’re hopeless. I’m blaming you if your inane read on me, costs town this game.
Why do I even bother? I must seriously be a masochist here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Do you actually want me to weigh in on anything or are you having to much fun with your ludicrous tunnel on me to care?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I told you, either vote gamma or youre dying after he flips red

anything else you post just makes you look worse

You planning to NK me in that case?


VOTE: Wisdom

I’ve legit fucking had enough of your crap.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@mod, please replace me

I can’t play with such a ginormous funsucker.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Nancy:

I get the wisdom vote, but why him over xtoxm?

I’m sick to death of his non-stop intermittent bullying.

I keep trying

get a building to fall on him

knock some freaking sense into his thick skull but his threatening me, doesn’t sound remotely townie.

I have no idea what Gamma is but what Wisdom is doing here, reeks of open wolfing.

[Nancy Drew 39]

what wisdom is doing here is pushing scum all game and getting ignored as usual

What you are doing is making me not want to play this game with you. Do you honestly think your continual harassment is convincing me on your Gamma scumread?

Fucking hell, no!

[Nancy Drew 39]

my intent is not to harass you, it is to show people youre his buddy

Do you care that you’re dead wrong? Yes? No?

I’m not the only one not convinced Gamma is scum here but I’m the only one you’re hardpushing for it. How does that even remotely make any sense to you?

And no, I’m not voting anyone because you threaten to mislynch me. That’s why I’m so fucking tilted at you rn. You are 100% being antitown here - irrespective of what your alignment is.

You ought to be trying to convince of your Gamma scumread, instead you make me seriously question if this kind of play on me here, ever comes from town!Wisdom?

I’m really pissed because I don’t want to feel pushed out of a game and let you win here,

[Nancy Drew 39]

Spoiler:

Hi! UNVOTE: Nancy, because that's not a good vote.

I read (skimming parts) all 100 pages of this damn game in a few hours this afternoon and took notes as I went. No idea what that did to my brain or if I'll survive the brain vomit I'm about to do. I'm gonna try to get it all out there anyways and hopefully the end product is worthwhile.

A reads list? We're doing a reads list. This will not be in order nor can I guarantee that it will display any degree of coherency. I'm gonna color reads for better readability.

Nancy Drew: Town.

The way she gives out town reads especially during D1 does not read scum. In general, she's given me the impression of being one of the more involved solvers this game just based on the way she approaches things and her presence. I've gone back through her ISO more carefully since skimming and nothing sticks out as contrived to me so I'm gonna stick with my gut town read. Additionally, I don't think scum urges Leodanny to claim like she does in post #605. In fact, I don't really think scum wants to appear that involved in that lynch.

I also just townread her based on her interactions with Flavor Leaf/Varsoon and that whole neighborhood fiasco. That whole debacle reads TvT to me actually. Neither side is scum intentionally trying to misrepresent each other, that just doesn't make sense when you consider there are other neighbors to corroborate stories and it's just too risky. No, this reads more like a communication breakdown between two town players who are upset at being lied to/misrepped when it's really just players misinterpreting things. I would be shocked if there was anything intentionally nefarious going on there.

Varsoon/Flavor Leaf: Town.

Town read Varsoon from the start. The wagon on him D1 is mostly built on BS? Which in itself not super indicative either way but I don't think his reaction to a BS wagon comes from a scum place. His cop gambit is a little dumb but again, what scum ever fucking does that? I'm not just gonna brush that off as WIFOM, it's a serious question. Ordinarily you might say he's trying to draw a counter claim, but A: Varsoon wasn't dangerously close to a lynch and didn't have to risk that, and B: we already know there might be duplicate power roles in this game so there's no guarantee an actual cop would even think it worth to CC that. There's so much risk and no reward for scum. I don't think his attitude/rage towards sheep was fake at all. Flavor just tonally reads as obv town since he came in. And his spat with Nancy Drew solidified that for me. Flavor is a player I might want to do a meta check on eventually, but for right now I'm confident enough in the read I got on Varsoon and Flavor initially that my paranoia towards this slot is fairly low.

Let's talk about

Wagonomics: Town.

I don't know if it's bad or not that I wanna town read him for his claim alone. It makes sense, right? This seems to be a highish power town game so having some negative utility in there fits. Plus, his role is just so ridiculous it's hard for me to imagine him making it up. I don't have as much specific analysis for why this slot feels town, as it's mostly gut, but his reads/votes are not opportunistic and I think display a good degree of scum hunting. #1820 is a noteworthy post that pretty much exactly echoed my thoughts at that point in the game and is basically the exact opposite of opportunistic.

TheBrie: Leaning Scum.

I have "THE BRIE IS SCUM," "DRIE IS SO SCUM," and "THE BRIE IS FUCKING SCUM" written in three separate instances on the first page of my notes. I really really hated the play from this slot during D1. And I'm still not a big fan. In general, she asks a lot of questions and says a lot of things that don't actually push the game forward. Her presence is empty, she waffles around and fence sits way too much. A lot of discrediting her own reads by calling them provisional which allows her a lot of flexibility. This being said, HOWEVER, post #2096 made me rethink this because she explicitly says waffling is just something she does, and then provides meta. I would not expect scum to defend like this and instead try to actually take some hard stances. Her recent play has also been a bit better, but it's not enough to swing my initial strong scum read I got early game.

Bleh let's get some of these slots out of the way:

Xtoxm: lean town?

His role in the Flavor/Nancy spat makes me think town largely. Now, this is dependent on my town reads there being correct, but since they're some of my most confident reads I'm fine with doing this. I don't think scum get's so involved/takes one side or another. Instead, I'd expect scum to sit on the sidelines for that more and try to get it to continue/inflate the conflict more. Scum lives off of TvT 1v1s. not much else about his ISO really sticks out. The main reason I ? this slot is because I town read the whole claimed neighborhood and I find it unlikely that all the members are town. If PartyBoat is town, this one might be scum. I could be falling into a trap assuming there can't be an all town neighborhood in this game, but with seemingly so much town power revealed already, it seems unlikely?

Kokichi: Town ig.

I gut read him as town. He's a lurker but actually pushes for things and takes stances that I read genuine. It means I believe the IC claim but regardless I'm not gonna spend a bunch of time analyzing this slot because it'll be resolved tomorrow one way or another.

Ausuka: Leaning a bit Town.

I skimmed more than I read the most recent pages, so I'm not too clear why there's a wagon on this slot. I think it's probably a mislynch. She never ever thinks the Leo wagon is a good idea, even before it gets really bad and scum can be sure it'll go through anyway. Nothing in her ISO reads scummy to me so I'm gonna need someone to spell out the case on her. I'd would agree with the narrative that two mislynches are being setup today for town to choose between. However, I don't like post #2354 from Ausuka. It feeds into the BS narrative that we HAVE to lynch either my slot or Ausuka today which... I feel is being pushed by scum (more on that later). This is no deadlines mafia, having "no reason to town read someone" is not the best excuse to lynch someone. This would make more sense in a game with deadlines. However, I'm willing to give it a pass because of the heavy narrative being pressed that we NEED a lynch soon and that the game is stalling out. This could very well be a town survival instinct because of that.

Vaxkiller: Probably Scum.

His push on Varsoon is bad. His push on Gamma is bad. His push on sheep is bad. His push on ausuka is bad. Everything about his play is opportunistic and weak. He has tons of short posts that are effectively fluff and seems to have been able to just blend in until recently. I just have no good things to say about this slot and I'd be fine lynching here today. However, there is another slot I want to lynch more and there's still the off chance Vax is just really bad town.

Let's do the last neighbor:

PartyBoat: Mixed.

Bleh. I gut read this slot initially and I liked how he behaved around the Leodanny lynch. He really pushed for Leodanny to give reads and tried to give him a lifeline so Leo wouldn't just keep trolling and get killed. Obviously it didn't work out, but his attempts read genuine. However, I dislike the way he tunnels Varsoon/Flavor and then seemingly only backs off when Flavor replaces in and won't be an easy lynch, despite the fact that PartyBoat is clearly still suspicious. His pocketing of Sheepsaysmeep esp during the Varsoon vs. Sheep spatfest was also yucky. I HATE the whole narrative that Varsoon is obv scum or that there was gonna be a huge wagon but there was last second resistance. That narrative is purported by Sheep and PartyBoat mainly and that seems very gamestate controlly/manipulative. Because it's not true and I don't think the Varsoon slot was ever in any real danger of being lynched. I also very much think Sheep is scum so these two could be buddies, but maybe the buddying is too obvious then. Regardless, lots of conflicting thoughts on this slot.

Sheepsaysmeep: Scum.

This is where I'd like to lynch. He is one of the few players I've actually had experience with before and I scum read him basically as soon as I entered the game. I could say a lot about this slot. If he's town in this game, then his town game is exactly the same as his scum game. His whole wavery, BSing playstyle can be seen pretty clearly towards the end of D1, though it's evident throughout.

VOTE: leo


meh

UNVOTE:

yeah im super lost on that slot rn

VOTE: varsoon

meh

VOTE: leo

i guess

This REEKS of scum trying to make themselves look better in wake of the Leo flip. It's one of the most noncommittal things that's happened in the game and there are a couple waffley players. It's just not genuine whatsoever. Furthermore, while I thought Flavor vs. Nancy was TvT, the same vibes do not arise from Sheep v. Varsoon/Flavor. I would expect town!sheep to reconsider or back down slightly at some point during all of that drama but he KEEPS TUNNELING. Which is not at all in accordance to his waffely play elsewhere so you can't just say that's a play style. I'm trying not to be biased by my prior experience with this player but I can't stop seeing the similarities between his game here and his scum game.

The most offending factor is the narrative that this day must end soon. It's bullshit. Yes, obviously we need a lynch eventually and we don't want the game to stall out. But we JUST got a bunch of replacements, from the vibes I'm getting the game is in a much better place discussion wise now than it ever was D1 or fake cop claim drama earlier today. This pushed narrative also coincides with sheep's activity dropping significantly, basically once he realizes his continued tunnel on Varsoon/Flavor is just going to make him look suspicious.

we're lynching someone within 24 hours and i give 0 fucks about who that is at this point

Even now he continues to pull this shit. There is not a fucking deadline, only a self imposed deadline primarily driven by sheep's fake frustration. I don't believe for a second his "demotivation" to play this game after the Leodanny flip when he CLEARLY wasn't all that enthused about the lynch in the first place (according to the quoted posts above). Or was that just fake to make himself look better, hmmmmm. The "0 fucks about who we lynch" is not a town mindset in a no deadline game. Lynching either my slot or Ausuka's gives relatively little information about the state of the game, similar to how Leodanny's lynch wasn't super helpful because he was just easy mislynch bait. Sheep isn't trying to make the game better he's just pushing this narrative of needing a lynch soon but lowkey calling them all bad lynches so that when they flip town he can have town cred.

Before I forget: VOTE: Sheepsaysmeep

I should talk about other players before I run out of juice for tonight.

Purrcocet: Null?

This player has actually made no impression on me and I apparently have nothing in my notes about them. Which, ironically, has made an impression on me. That's not a great sign for a game with 100 pages already. I have at least vague feelings or brief mentions in my notes on almost every other player but this one. Bleh. Nancy says they're a fruit vendor? I'm not familiar with the role, that's not a strict town or scum thing yea? My reads seem to line up with this slots fairly well so that makes me wanna give it town points. I'll do a more thorough ISO later and see if I can get a better feeling for this slot. Nothing jumps out at me as particularly bad, but that's not really a town tell.

Mastina: Leaning scum.

My notes have Theta marked as scum before the replacement. I didn't like the fencesitty play and I don't really think the PR claim clears that up because it could just as easily be a scum JK. Though, while that setup makes more sense in my head I'm unsure scum would actually CC. I dislike Mastina's entrance to the game, her VCA looks like a lot of productive townie stuff but does effectively nothing. I also dislike her call out of today's wagons being mislynches but still being on my wagon?? The observation is good but the actions don't line up. Regardless, this is a claimed PR and will probably be resolved eventually? I don't imagine scum wants to leave a JK alive.

It's getting late here and I have to get up early tomorrow (already surviving on 5 hrs of sleep) so I think I'll have to stop and pick up tomorrow morning.

Ooh, Gamma is town I think, I can talk about that tomorrow. The rest of the players I have mainly gut reads on right now, and it'll take some more time to organize my thoughts on them (should look at purr more too), but for now here's a rough ranking from towniest to scummiest:

Enter/Hebichan
vonflare
jingle/edosurist (is a scum triple voter likely?)
wisdom
singletonking
trekkie
light_ganski

^^ I'll tackle these players and Gamma tomorrow, hopefully I was mostly coherent, ask if you need clarification

Lemme know if I've missed anything or if there's anything i should know, srry for wall, but I'd rather do this to catch up on a 100 page game than spam post 80 times

Let's lynch Sheep! goodnight

In case anyone had any doubt, sheep is 100% confitowned by this and probably me and Flavor as well. Scum usually puts their buddies in the leantown - null - lean scum slots, depending or not if they’re planning to bus or not. Light, Trekkie, also looking good by this.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I finally finished rereading

For many parts of the game it was like reading for the first time

Locktown:

Flavor, sheep, enter, light

Likely town: Purr

, xtoxm

Scum A: Gamma + Nancy

Scum B: singleton + TheBrie + vonflare

If not multiball then someone from scum B is an sk and vonflare is on A or something

This is insane. How are so many of our reads similar and you are so unbelievably freaking dense about me? Like how is that even possible?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Then explain to me what gamma has done that you think is town so I can show you how its bullshit. Until then you are actively trying to help scum, especially seeing as you are not even pushing singleton or Brie.

Ok lets see the flip

VOTE: Gamma

Okay, I’ll sheep you.

VOTE: Gamma

[Nancy Drew 39]

have fun trying to get the apathetic town on board (koki/enter/sheep)

Yep, all of them town alright.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Nancy - I see it, tbh, but I explained why I don’t think you’re scum.

Well I wish Wisdom was being more like you because, he’s kind of killed my last remaining interest in this game. He has never been anywhere as remotely bad at reading me as here but his reads are decent otherwise, so I guess I have to conclude he’s just being bad town here. \_0_/ :/

[Nancy Drew 39]

@mod, please replace me

I can’t play with such a ginormous funsucker.

Cancel, for now, I’m a masochist.