Mini Normal 2058 (Endgame)

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explain

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And yet, I've been hard pushing Dunn and you're the only one who's voted it.

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Idk I feel like there should be more conflict than just SS vs morality and Vorkuta vs YellowSnow

This plus Aura is over half the game, only leaves out us 2, Dunn, and Tarkus. I am pushing Dunn, who is pushing Tarkus (ish...), and you and Tarkus aren't really pushing anything. This statement is nonsense.

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I'm curious why RC entered day 2 saying that at least 1/2 of morality and bnh are scum?

Because of EoD1

yall getting me in shit at work for forcing me to post here, dont fucking no lynch.

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Morality

I've lost at least a dozen town games because for whatever boneheaded reason towns love clearing a scum for the most random shit in the world and town just assumes its true forever

I don't take shit like that seriously unless I have a very good reason to believe that it's true, so unless there's something irrefutable or damn near close to irrefutable, I'm not going to buy it

Hahahaha I could rant about this for so long

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It’s Vorkuta and Ankamius, which is why Ank has been pushing the no neighborhood thing.

Also explains the mass replacement on the slot.

Ank’s probably town.
Boats probably town.
SS is probably town.

Porquois?

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FoS Tarkus

He answered his prod in under 2 minutes, so clearly he's been online

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would he bus there rather than vote Vorkuta or Morality though? at least one of the 3 wagons has to be town

fuck

7 hours, consolidate

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and we got a no lynch,

yay

its mass claim time, i'll start, vt, popcorn to Tarkus

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so if I listen to RC and Yellow is town, for Morality to be town the team is exactly Ankamius;Tarkus;Something_Smart;Vorkuta. Which it probably isn't.

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so if I listen to RC and Yellow is town, for Morality to be town the team is exactly Ankamius;Tarkus;Something_Smart;Vorkuta. Which it probably isn't.

This is false.

There’s only 3 more dude. Idk why you claimed 4

Oh, its been a long day.

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Snow

RC had a god read on this slot, why is it part of your solve?

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Morality - informed
Tarkus - neighbour
Boats - vt
Vork -
Ank -
SS -
Snow -

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also do we know what aura was informed about?

No, I may need to yell at him in post game for being stupid and not outing it depending what it was.

Why does RC’s reads matter here? Most of my experience with RC he’s been incorrect on reads that I ended up finding.

Using other people's reads is an important part of playing town. RC's complete confidence and refusal to talk about it implies he had a meta tell he didn't want to out, which makes it reliable.

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I also was online and posting and actively didn’t kill Dunn. As scum, there’s zero reason for me to do that. I had no clue there’d be 2 kills.

No lynching is worse for town EV than lynching town, bullshit.

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i meta'd shoshin's normals briefly, and her play is pretty curt compared to previous (both scum and town), which might indicate a lack of time these days. I didn't find anything particularly salient, other than town-shoshin is more likely to follow up with unanswered q's (sample size 2), and scum-shoshin is more interested in trivialities (sample size 1). Given this, I think I more scum lean shoshin this game due to meta?

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erhaps, but it isnt where we are lynching today.

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adiant should be nicer about that too though. I have seen much worse ICs than Aura is playing, depending how flips go of course. At least hes actually following along and not apathetic due to the shit role IC is.

Not that it really matters, but I had Shoshin as a lock PR read from early d1. Capital letters of the first two lines. If you look in my iso I never use "Radiant", always "RC" except for this instance specifically to crumb this subtly. And if I was scum, this means I chose not to interfere with them nor kill them despite having them as a PR. I realized Shoshin was Moongrass from another game midway through, did a metadive (because their play here was v different then our last game), and decided it was a PR. That's also why I discouraged people from pushing them as hard as I could without outing it.

So let's finish mass claim, but assuming SS is vig, either exactly Ankamius / Vorkuta / Tarkus is scum, I'm wrong about Snow and he could fit in one of those slots, or Morality and x are scum.

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my video mafia games this week are starting now if anybody wants to watch!

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Well, lets finish mass claim and then go from there.

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Also Boats is probably scum who knows of there being a scum blocker.

He’s doing too many “accidental” town slips.

Excuse me? What "town slips" have I done? Skipping over the fact I have literally never once tried to town slip as scum, and you know that.

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Explains why he wanted to do the interfere not interfere thing because he knew what happens.

Vorkuta-Boats-Snow probably wins the game.

If you're town you should stop being stupid and wait for mass claim to end for me to solve the game.

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The naming four scum left is classic accidental town slip, and that implies you town read me because earlier you said scum has no reason to put that, which kind of indirectly outs you.

That isn't a town slip, town would know there aren't 4 scum left (5:7......) just as much as scum would. And I never implied I town read you.

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Explains why he wanted to do the interfere not interfere thing because he knew what happens.

Vorkuta-Boats-Snow probably wins the game.

If you're town you should stop being stupid and wait for mass claim to end for me to solve the game.

I’ve already solved it.

Well I'm town so you haven't solved it, but mhm.

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The naming four scum left is classic accidental town slip, and that implies you town read me because earlier you said scum has no reason to put that, which kind of indirectly outs you.

That isn't a town slip, town would know there aren't 4 scum left (5:7......) just as much as scum would. And I never implied I town read you.

You didn’t imply you town read me, no.

You implied you KNEW I was town while stating a scum read on me, there’s a difference.

You brought up that I was scum with 3 other people, while earlier you said no way do I say that as scum. A scum is already flipped, but you’re just trying to paint a picture, so you know this.

That's literally the opposite of what I said?

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Vorkuta is a vigilante.
SS is a targeting role.

Snow is scum.

Ank-Tarkus are neighbors.

2 of those people are scum, and the fact that SS says his role failed means he gets a result implying a roleblocker on the scum side which fits with the setup.

Or you could wait til the mass claim is over before posting stuff like this :O

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The naming four scum left is classic accidental town slip, and that implies you town read me because earlier you said scum has no reason to put that, which kind of indirectly outs you.

That isn't a town slip, town would know there aren't 4 scum left (5:7......) just as much as scum would. And I never implied I town read you.

You didn’t imply you town read me, no.

You implied you KNEW I was town while stating a scum read on me, there’s a difference.

You brought up that I was scum with 3 other people, while earlier you said no way do I say that as scum. A scum is already flipped, but you’re just trying to paint a picture, so you know this.

That's literally the opposite of what I said?

Sure, your words said differently, but your agenda didn’t. It’s why you pushed the interfere/no interfere thing.

That going through completely with No Interfere sets up a Morality-SS mislynch path.
Mass claim here projects yourself as townie, but it allows you all the information you need to setup a picture to endgame with. A mislynch path.

"You brought up that I was scum with 3 other people"
"No I didn't"
"Sure, you didn't, so you're scum!"

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Yeah, you aren’t VT.

This game only has one VT, and they’re dead.

Imagine if you could make this argument after everybody is done claiming !! :O

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for Morality to be town

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What can I say, I’m just a late game town powerhouse.

This happened in the last Not Known 15 game as well.

I haven't dropped a town game this year and I don't plan on this being the first.

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alright i'm done w this conversation, i have a solve i think but just waiting on claims

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Mhm.

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~hurry up~

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Morality - informed
Tarkus - neighbour
Boats - vt
Vork -
Ank - neighbour
SS -
Snow -

well broke the popcorn but idrc, waiting on Vork

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Meh, optimal play is to wait. Which is annoying that they aren't getting prodded but this is why I didn't start mass claim yesterday.

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Tbh, I don't really care about popcorning and I've never seen it actually help, because reading when and how people choose to claim is also a thing. So

SS / Vorkuta / Snow

should all claim when they see this. Snow should theoretically be first followed by Vorkuta and then SS, but the days are "short" (10 days) so might as well get it over with.

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Morality - informed
Tarkus - neighbour
Boats - vt
Vork - vig
Ank - neighbour
SS -
Snow -

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Snow hasnt posted since

March 8

, the fuck

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I don't see why I need to claim today, I'll say now that I don't have any useful info.

Come now, you've played long enough to know the purpose of a mass claim. I will let you claim after Snow if you think that's important as you're a stronger town read.

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I town read you enough and know you're smart enough that I will trust your judgment this time. If we get to post game and I disagree with your decision, I won't be okay with it in future games jsyk.

Just waiting on Snow then.

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@Mod

yellow is like long overdue for a prod

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what a riveting game

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you are allowed to state your whole role, so copy / pasting "informed modified scared vengeful samurai" if that was your role would be okay. you can choose not to ofc. you should also probably claim what you're informed on if its about the scum team, but you're conf town so use your judgment.

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while we wait for the replacement, i will give bonus points to anyone who can tell me what that role does

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If we lynch scum, Voekuta idles his shot I think though I'll check the math later. If we lynch town, he shoots Morality if the game doesn't end.

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depends on the mod

a vig means it might not

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we need the claim :v

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if I post what I think the solve is before SS and Snow claim then off the off chance they're scum they can claim around it

@mid deadline should be paused until a replacement is foundo

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@mod - what is scum's wincon if you are willing to post it?

I vehemently disagree with your decision but ok.

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it could have been "when you make up 50% of the playerlist", ie achieving parity.

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not who, but he should shoot.

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@Ank is Tarkus town?

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without Yellow this is much more problematic

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i am seeing more and more of why i took a long break from mafia

if Yellow is town I don't think this is winnable, and Yellow is probably town, so yay!

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I thought he felt town in the neighborhood but ngl a lot of that is him bothering to talk to me at all

you spending more time in the hood than here is not helping me sort you

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This was during night, eddie

Iirc the neighborhood hasn't had any posts since day start

oh, i was going off your post to boon where you said youre done posting in main thread

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I think town loses this anyways now.

I had been talking about this game like it was over after the 50%.

That means the game continues even if 3-3 after lynch, then it goes to 2-2.


Eddie Cane has been seeing me talk about the mafia win con incorrectly this entire game, that’s why he’s bringing it up here.

He even brought up way earlier that I’m caught out after a mislynch today, which would give him the mislynch tomorrow because he knew I thought the wincon was different than it was.

that is not what it means, and this post doesn't even make sense

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Mislynching here if you're town ends the game wincons aren't rocket science

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Fuck. Vorkuta’s strongman.

its also not true if Vorkuta wasn't strongman

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:O

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Hurry up and claim, we have very little time.

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STK looks scum from that alone

Not really from that, but this elongated absence without a claim is definitely scummy.

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I'll be here before deadline

Tbh I'm okay with that solve, i don't really understand why my slot is town from that but w/e

Really?

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STK looks scum from that alone

Not really from that, but this elongated absence without a claim is definitely scummy.

So basically the same thing that makes his entrance into the game scummy?

What are you calling scummy specifically? His "entrance" was fine.

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his entrance was seeing a post that was us begging for a replacement, if you're arguing that's scummy i'm going to gladiate you right now

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Is there a reason for me to claim before SS, though?
It's what he wants, and if there is a consensus that he's town or that I'm scum I'll glady do so, but otherwise I don't see why it's necessary for me to claim first. I also want to read the last few pages in detail before I make any moves.

This post

Is the scummiest thing I've ever seen in my life

it wouldn't have been scummy without a claim immediately after. it is scummy because of his absence.

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HELLO IF ANYONE NOT IN THIS GAME HAPPENS TO BE READING IT:

Please do us a huge favor and replace into the Yellow slot and claim. You literally don't have to do anything else.

If nobody replaces into the slot in 24 hours the game will be busted.

Thanks in advance.

I just saw this and decided to randomly replace in lol

Before I claim though, is there a reason I should claim now?

Yeah Eddie LOL

that's not scummy my guy

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Hurry up and claim, we have very little time.

STK looks scum from that alone

Not really from that, but this elongated absence without a claim is definitely scummy.

this is me thinking about cfding to Snow slot today

i am now thinking of cfdfing to Ank slot today

or Snow still, depends on the claim. the longer he's afk the worse this absence is.

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:O

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@Vorkuta, do not out who you are thinking of shooting if anyone. I no longer have Snow as town, so any shot besides SS is a fine shot. You do not need to shoot, but I think you should.

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Well that's not really true, now is it?

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VOTE: Ankamius

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Well

bnh

and

Tarkus

are the only slots I've ever felt were town while I've been in the game so far

Boats

.
Yellow.

Tarkus

Tbh I'm okay with that solve

:thonk:

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Who were you expecting to get shot last night?

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One of the lynchable slots instead of the IC?

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Eh, I actually buy that. Tarkus is part of most solves.
i'm just

we can't no lynch again

VOTE: Tarkus

I'm going to have some very strong words if this is wrong

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the fact Vorkuta the IC is voting Tarkus means that I don't really have a choice here

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Lol

Gg

What was it, you STK Morality?

I would have tunnelled you but tbh I have a real bad concussion rn and I just didn't care

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Yea I just looked and STK has been posting around the site for the last few hours, Idk. Nobody was giving me the time of day.

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You're town?

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Idk yo I tried to interact as much as I could, nobody was playing ball

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That's what I thought, but she's posting on this page like she is

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Doesn't matter, if this is game over we can blame NK15 and whoever passed his setup for making it 9:4 because that's cancer.

Agree
what I wasn't outing today was that I was pretty sure it wasn't lylo because 9:4 literally shouldn't exist. i was waiting for the mass claim to see that. which means i thought morality was scum, but mechanically it was better to not lynch them today because they get guiltied by a mislynch today. hence why i was just ignoring them.

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I'm also a traitor, you shouldn't kill me.