Mini 2059: Secrets of the Anuket Topaz [Over]

[Nimueh]

Going to bed shortly but i'm around for a few min
I was mad about brigitte, now i just feel resigned

I want to lynch tris tomorrow (barring flubber not proving his ic-ness), and yeah, that should have happened already

Nmsa's scum equity goes up since urap and nmsa arent scum together

Not really listening to ank's reads anymore, sorry @ank

Yeah probably voting NMSA or Tris.

[Nimueh]

his scumgame has improved and all hes really done here is support the consensus reads

Yeah this
I dont think he's out of his range
I dont think he's participating consistently, nor do i think that his progression is inherently genuine and/or townie

Two words: you’re wrong, sorry but scum!Creature can’t fake this good and the one game everyone keeps referring to, he was nothing like this. As long as I’m alive in this game, I am not allowing a Creature mislynch, especially when this is in every sense as obvtown Creature as it gets.

[Nimueh]

if you're talking about me, that one isn't right either, Nim.

Yeah you’re right, you must be talking about a different game, unless you spectated? But whenever I hear about Creature’s scum progression, it’s usually that specific game that gets referenced.

[Nimueh]

i still don't understand why tris isn't scum here, Ank. i know i didn't switch my vote either so it's on me as much as you but your strong belief she's town is still something i've never really understood.

She could be but then either scum was in anti-spew on D1 or I’m somehow misreading the VCA but Xtoxm townflip definitely doesn’t make her vote on him look great. I’d say NMSA’s and Tris’ Xtoxm votes look the worst and the reasons, the most suspect.

What does anti-spew mean?

Spew refers to scum associatives and anti-spew, the lack there of. So, when I say it looked to me like scum was in anti-spew, I mean that it wasn’t obvious to me that scum was pushing Brigitte wagon to save you.

[Nimueh]

Ughhhhhhhh. I really hope that Flubber was lying and we can lynch a mafia tomorrow. Or that xtoxm is mafia, but this does seem like Brigitte all over again.

You have no other scumreads than those two?

[Nimueh]

The way she reacts to being scumread just makes me want to not do so. I hope scum-nim doesnt react like that? Have you played with her as scum?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Scumnim does react like that.

Not quite. I was never in any danger of being wagoned or tunneled, so scum me would probably not immediately confront you or at least not with obvious content like I did and challenge you. You’re ignoring the specific nuances here.

[Nimueh]

I'd be fine with being wagoned tomorrow

I think I need a good struggle to care about this game now tbh

Nah, we actually want you know, to WIN this game, so I really don’t want to hand scum the game on a silver platter.

I’m competitive and I want to win every game I’m in if possible unless it’s a real clusterfuck or something.

You’re critical of Xtoxm’s play but how is apathy a major improvement to that? Apathy in games, hurts town way more than anything else.

[Nimueh]

Don't talk about this it's not related to this game. ~MariaR

aren't you replaced out?

I saw this and thought the game had ended.

@Urap2, wtf are you doing?

[Nimueh]

~MariaR

So does this mean xtoxm isnt hammered?

It means nsg hasn’t updated the VC.

[Nimueh]

And with that, the sun had finally set on the

Anuket Topaz

for the day.

With little progress made on their investigation, the crew retreated to their quarters for the night.


...

...

*BOOM*

An explosion thundered throughout the ship, starting the crew awake.

Gathering their bearings and banding together quickly, the crew rushed towards the source of the noise.

Bleeding and sputtering on the ground was the Deck Officer.

"Explosives, they've planted explosives. These guys: they're not real seafarers, I think they're some kind of government agents. I caught him setting the damn thing up, but he managed to get away."

Flubbernugget,

Secret Agent

, has escaped Night 2.

Spoiler: Role PM

June 23rd,

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Department of State

CLASSIFIED

From:

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, Deputy Director for Operations
To:

Secret Agent Flubbernugget

MISSION DESCRIPTION:

Welcome back, Agent. Much of this you should already be aware of following the briefings given

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regarding

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.

Your task is to infiltrate the chemical tanker

Anuket Topaz

undetected along with your fellow operatives,

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and

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. Once onboard, you will neutralize

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and recover access to

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along with other highly sensitive material located

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.

There is highly critical information regarding the course of events of your Mission in your

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. It is imperative that you fully understand this information.

Your mission will be successful once

all living operatives have successfully escaped from the

Anuket Topaz

.

The

Anuket Topaz

's location is here. Once on-board, please confirm your ready status by making contact with your fellow operatives

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.

The crew listened on in a mixture of confusion and shock.

Being helped to a sitting position, he caught his breath for a moment before continuing.

"I don't think I have much time. I've got this whole thing figured out, so listen carefully..."

NON-FLAVORED SETUP INFORMATION:

The Mafia has been fully informed of the setup from the beginning of the game.

There are 3 Mafia and 10 Vanilla Townies.

The first two night phases will be skipped. At the beginning of the game, Town will be informed that "Until further notice, there will be no night phases."

Whenever a member of the Mafia is lynched Day 1 or Day 2, they must confirm 5 living players to be aligned with the Town. This will result in their loss if Mafia is lynched both Day 1 and Day 2.



The game will change starting from Day 3. At this point, the Mafia will begin "escaping". Each night, in addition to a mandatory kill, one of the Mafia must choose to "escape", and will exit the game being revealed to be Mafia.

However, at this point, if just one member of the Mafia is lynched, the Mafia loses.

The Mafia wins when all living members of the Mafia escape.

If no Mafia were lynched Day 1 or Day 2, one member of the Mafia will escape immediately following the end of Day 2.

The Town will become fully informed of the setup starting at the beginning of Day 3.

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Succinctly: this game is 3:10 nightless for the first two Day phases, after which it transitions into Extradition Mafia. Whenever scum is lynched during the first two Day phases, they must confirm 5 living players to be Town. If no scum is lynched during the first two Day phases, a member of the Mafia will escape immediately following the end of the second Day phase.

Day 3 begins.

[Nimueh]

oldest trick in the fucking book. i'm stupid.
there's no way Ank was bussing with that ruleset.

we have two more chances to lynch a scum or we lose. that's basically it.

Yeah, Ank confitown now.

[Nimueh]

Oh my gosh. Why didn't I think about this possibility. This is exactly like that other game.

I’ve never played a game like this before.

[Nimueh]

town: Ankamius, skitter30, Elbirn, Succinct (unless this was the bus? going to look again)

probably town based on my theory: tris

player i'm townreading but really really needs to get in here and town it up so i don't worry he's scum: Creature

leftovers: Reck, Nim, NMSA

not good enough, but it's a start. gun to my head i'd lynch Reck.

Oh my gosh. Why didn't I think about this possibility. This is exactly like that other game.

I’ve never played a game like this before.

How am I a “leftover”, Chara? Check my ISO if you think I would have known this? And now you’re also doubting Creature? I would think that logically you ought to be more suspicious of people who would actually have familiarity with this game, than those who wouldn’t.

You have been on both town wagons and YOU made it clear you wanted Xtoxm over Flubber. So, you suddenly doing this 180 makes me lose that hard townread I had on you earlier. Your read change on me AND Creature makes 0 sense, here.

I was thinking that there could possibly be one deep wolf in this setup, maybe I’ve found it?

[Nimueh]

Nimueh
Creature
Ankamius
Succinct
Elbirn

———————

Only ones I feel really confident on being town.

@Chara, tell me how your 180 makes any sense here?

I’m definitely not sheeping you anymore.

I want to hear what the rest of my top townreads think. I don’t buy Chara’s 180 on either me or Creature, she’s been tr both our slots the entire game and I partially voted Xtoxm because you were opposed to Flubber, so no, you don’t get to play town leader after this.

[Nimueh]

VOTE: Chara

[Nimueh]

Before Flubber flip

Spoiler:

yes I'm mad

I'm positively fuming that you're acting like scum

discredits Flubber's word choice (being "mad" means "scumreading me because" in this context and Ank of course knows this) by trolling and doesn't engage with his argument at all.
i don't know if this is scummy, maybe i would be reading it as scummy in a vacuum but i feel like Ankamius is just like this. but i don't really like it.

Flubber: when you talked about people being frustrated with her playstyle, it sounded like you were one of them. but i find her playing close to her chest is only frustrating if she's concealing town thoughts, not scum thoughts.

still catching up. still liking Flubber, especially in 1123. i'll admit i don't have the best awareness of the full gamestate but Flubber doesn't feel like he has a lot of support or is really "in" a group, which i like for town more than scum.

i'm not scumreading Nimueh at all. Enter keeps calling Nim's play crappy but it does suck to be pushed for said crappy play when you're sick and can't parse such a big game.
i don't know if i'm townreading Nim either but pushing a player who isn't even settled and is asking for help just isn't going to go anywhere in my opinion.

pedit: Nim didn't like being voted solely on activity. tris backed off because the vote was obviously about only Nim's activity. what's the problem.

But the real question you should be asking yourself is why are you so hellbent on playing this badly and why are you refusing to do anything other than wrongly call me scum?

I keep begging people to engage me, to help me get into this game and yes, you 100% should feel embarrassed about your awful play here because you aren’t even trying to examine any other slots but if I get mislynched, you will be forced to.

this is really hard to scumread. i don't think Nim's responses have been amazing but i can understand why they feel this way and it doesn't look at all like purposely dodging questions.

i don't love the vote either. obviously i don't know you but i'm agreeing with Ank that you look more like town than scum and skitter's case on you just seems to be gut based about you seeming flat.
it just doesn't feel right. especially with both me and Ankamius giving reasons for you to be town that skitter doesn't seem to have engaged with.

i think that Flubber's reads are rather controversial, that he's genuinely frustrated, and that even though his thought process isn't entirely transparent to me with his conclusions i'm still not seeing where the scum part is. weird isn't scum.

players i'm not really townreading: skitter, tris, Elbirn, Creature, nmsa
players i'm sort of townreading: Nimueh, Reck

everyone else is town for me.

Nim is a townlean now.

still working too much. back to normal on Monday.

i don't think Creature is scum here. if there's a good argument i'll listen, but being underwhelming on a replace in a big game isn't a scumtell. i can see his thought process well enough, and i've played with Creature enough that at this point i think i can tell how he's feeling about a game.

i think there are slots outside of those five i'd lynch before Creature. Nim i need to look at your case for, because there are very few players i'm willing to think will lean this far into the emotional side of things as scum, though they do exist.
Flubber i could see, Xtoxm i could see. skitter i don't know. i probably will continue to not know without talking to her again/another flip or so.

I’m tilted because I have been putting a lot of effort into trying to solve this game and to know I have been basically wasting my time, just waiting until God knows when, I get mislynched, was just not cool with me. I’m sorry if you think I’m overreacting but I consider Ank someone who should be able to read me, so maybe what you’re not getting is it’s a bit hard not to take this personally since I’m pretty sure Reck is wrong and she’s also town here.

i do get it. it's frustrating. there are a lot of players that i think should be able to read me by now and when they don't it's very disheartening. it's also bittersweet to hear "you're good at scum, so i can't townread you."
but Ank is obviously not doing it on purpose, she's solving with what she has, so there's no need to insult her. obviously this whole conversation only applies if you're town (which i lean towards).

you're not wasting your time. i just don't like to see players insulting each other or being hurt because of misreads.

Nim, you being flipped town doesn't help anything. at all, really. it would just be a way for you to get out of the game, just like Brigitte did. i'm interested in solving, not flipping players who want to be flipped. the fact that you want out makes you even less likely to be scum to me. proving you as town doesn't affect Ank's solve very much, so there's just no point in doing it.
if you want to leave this game, replace out. that's how it works. wanting to be lynched when you're town doesn't help anyone.
or, keep playing and keep pushing your reads even if you're being scumread. that's also part of being town.

i think i like an Xtoxm lynch a lot more than a Flubber one. the nmsa thing is notable, but as skitter pointed out it changed direction

after

nmsa's wagon had cooled down. u2 shopped around for a different lynch after that.

he's a few times now made posts to the effect of trying to understand other players, but it seems more like lip service to me than anything else. and Xtoxm's contributions upon replacing in have been nil. for someone who wants to lynch anyone besides his townreads, i don't think he did very much to actually make those townreads to use.

Xtoxm and tris are probably not scum together, but i could see tris/Flubber. i'm not townreading her, really.
but i wouldn't flip tris before either of them. it's more that there isn't much i want to townread her for besides some minor stuff relating to the Brigitte wagon.

i get very little from Succinct. i'd call that part of the slot's contribution to be very null to me.

i think more elaboration from them about why tris is towny would be really helpful.

welcome back skitter.

i'm not confident on tris town at all so i'd love if you could convince me on that one, Ank.

i'm also going to say this is more likely town Creature than not.

i want to know why you like the Xtoxm post there.
also yeah, i'm voting Xtoxm but i'd compromise on Flubber if Xtoxm doesn't get the votes. you caught me..?

i don't think there's any scenario where Ank is scum here. i would actually be floored.
i'm aware the game kind of died.

also not really scumreading Elbirn here, though if he thinks my preferred lynch is so gross i'd love some sort of rebuttal to why i think Xtoxm is scum.

really? it just looks like he's given up.
what i find unlikely is town Xtoxm flailing like this.

pedit: deep sigh.

Xtoxm's play is frustratimgly unhelpful if town and i want him to be scum. the petulant part of me wants to tell town Xtoxm "i'm town too, talk to me about

something

' but he refuses to be helpful or explain himself and the takes he puts out continue to be bad, like saying skitter's read change is scummy in spite of the very long amount of time it took for her to make that change. it's so much easier to say he's scum.
Flubber's IC claim is at least concrete, we can just wait for day 3.

i also don't think tris has been towny.
but in spite of being frustrated with Xtoxm's angle here if he is scum, and wondering if he's town for that, i also hate his angle as town. the only reason to think he's town is the AtE, and it's a bad reason and i know that.

i'll lynch tris if it comes to it but i feel Xtoxm is objectively better.

Elbirn, i've talked about why Xtoxm is scum a lot. not so much Flubber, but Xtoxm is who i've wanted to lynch this whole time.
i know it's long but this is in my ISO if you start from the most recent things.

i still don't understand why tris isn't scum here, Ank. i know i didn't switch my vote either so it's on me as much as you but your strong belief she's town is still something i've never really understood.

My challenge to you is to sort tris and chara
Chara is my secret hail Mary scum read, dont tell them

why can't you read me yet Elbirn

b) i don't know if succint and chara (or you) have a history of reading him correctly

i mislynched him once. i think that's it.

scum Creature is always painfully obvious aside from one single long scumgame of his i was able to find.
Creature participating consistently, having reads i can see the progression of and actively sorting the list with a thought process i can follow is town Creature to me. scum Creature has to really work to care about the game and to have a good time in it.

Creature is also the only player on this list i think has a

good

not-paranoia reason to be wary of me because i don't believe the rest of you have played with scum me. there's just a reputation i have for being towny scum.

I want to lynch tris tomorrow (barring flubber not proving his ic-ness), and yeah, that should have happened already

Nmsa's scum equity goes up since urap and nmsa arent scum together

Not really listening to ank's reads anymore, sorry @ank

i'm okay with both of these, also planning to look at Reck only because i haven't really dug into him that much.
i'm not paranoid of you anymore, it might have something to do with my read of Ank but i'm not sure.

i think scum you doesn't say she'll try and interact with me again to get the townread back. far more likely that at

this

point you would be trying to keep us aligned in terms of goals. sort of like Ank is but i'm trying not to go down into paranoia land because she was wrong on a scumread i was

also

wrong on.

So i'm kinda over sheeping people or listening to other people's reads this game

i've been scum with him, and have played with scum and town Creature several times.

[Nimueh]

More Chara before Flubber flip

Spoiler:

i looked at Reck's reaction to the tris fakehammer again and i guess i don't see a reason to fake that. i've seen scum be genuinely frustrated at bad townplay before, but tris's hammer had no real game ramifications so it's more likely town that would be bothered, in my opinion.
i like my tris vote more either way. Ankamius i can't read and the self meta really isn't helping.

pedit: look, without actual experience with you here or a lot of evidence that is actual evidence i can't use what you're saying here to inform my read in any real way. i even believe you believe this but selectively noting your own meta is something i've seen scum do.

i'm actually mildly townreading Flubber here. it's not that strong but he does have strong opinions even if they aren't explained very much.
are you townread the rest of the list to some extent?

of the three there i think tictac is the one i think is most likely scum just by virtue of a lack of towntelling.

i feel like there's something wonky in your logic somewhere or that i'm missing something in this convo but i'm a little too tired rn to sort out what's bothering me exactly rn, so i think i'm just going to drop this specific line of inquiry until i figure it out

p-edit @ank

Not fully caught up but I wanted to get back to this

Remember how many times urap was scum reading nmsa but still tried to get wagons going elsewhere?

yeah, still townreading Flubber. this game has a lot of mislynch material he could go for, it feels like. if tictac flips scum i would look back to Flubber here but for the most part he seems to be doing his own thing and has a consistent logic based on his u2 read.

before this i just thought he was townier than not due to his attitude and a lack of what feels like positioning.

I want Chara’s bizarro 180 to be easily accessible after my flip, because post next green flip -

if it’s any of the one’s she’s pushing, I don’t want these to be lost in her long iso.

[Nimueh]

Nimueh
Creature
Ankamius
Succinct
Elbirn

———————

Only ones I feel really confident on being town.

@Chara, tell me how your 180 makes any sense here?

I’m definitely not sheeping you anymore.

I want to hear what the rest of my top townreads think. I don’t buy Chara’s 180 on either me or Creature, she’s been tr both our slots the entire game and I partially voted Xtoxm because you were opposed to Flubber, so no, you don’t get to play town leader after this.

Top 3 (excluding myself obviously) are townlocks for me.

[Nimueh]

oldest trick in the fucking book. i'm stupid.
there's no way Ank was bussing with that ruleset.

we have two more chances to lynch a scum or we lose. that's basically it.

town: Ankamius, skitter30, Elbirn, Succinct (unless this was the bus? going to look again)

probably town based on my theory: tris

player i'm townreading but really really needs to get in here and town it up so i don't worry he's scum: Creature

leftovers: Reck, Nim, NMSA

not good enough, but it's a start. gun to my head i'd lynch Reck.

“leftovers” or potential mislynches you’re lining up?

Like if Reck flips green, who’s next and then we lose.

[Nimueh]

don't know where my townread on skitter went, but it isn't here anymore.

but i'm okay with this day being over, it's getting less fun. need to wait for replacements, though.

players i'm not really townreading: skitter, tris

, Elbirn, Creature, nmsa

players i'm sort of townreading: Nimueh, Reck

everyone else is town for me.

Gee, how fascinating is this?

[Nimueh]

You know what, fuck it

I'm going to revisit the game entirely and build a new solve

The strength of my playstyle is not on read accuracy but choosing the correct read to push and Flubber being scum confirmed that, so I'm not going to lie down and let people take over

Reck also needs a relook btw

Do not let Chara takeover. She is in no position to be town leader and her acting like she does, is hella suspicious.

[Nimueh]

Post Flubber Flip

Spoiler:

oldest trick in the fucking book. i'm stupid.
there's no way Ank was bussing with that ruleset.

we have two more chances to lynch a scum or we lose. that's basically it.

my issue with that post is huge:

tris is pushing xtoxm using the same reasoning she used to push brigitte
but brigitte flipped town
i would expect town to reevaluate their reads on a townflip
but i think tris shows here that she's just pushing people's names out there without any actual thought behind the push?

argh im trying so hard to get the words out of my head that im thinking

basically, tris is on autopilot pushing on one of the major wagons and using shitty reasoning to get on board that resulted in a town flip last time but it doesn't occur to tris that is bad because tris is scum therefore everyone else is the same alignment so why would she need to change up her push/reasons/etc

god that's so confusing. ill try to step away and rethink how i can communicate my reasoning better

VOTE: tris

I think I wasn't very clear in my post. The wifom thing wasn't a reason to vote xtoxm. It was something that was frustrating me. It was actually something that made me more wary of the wagon, but as I said, I've been having trouble finding somewhere else to vote.

Actually, VOTE: Flubbernugget

L-1

tris put Flubber at L-1 here, and he didn't claim IC until 4 hours later. i don't think she's scum based on that alone.

even if scum wouldn't have outright lost on a Flubber lynch there, having to confirm 5 townies would still have screwed scum over. i'd like opinions on this though.

i'm going off the assumption the IC thing was planned. her timing wasn't right if it was.
still looking.

my gut instinct is to say Elbirn looks bad here given Xtoxm town and Flubber scum, but i have to believe that scum Elbirn would be a lot more careful about outright defending Flubber here, so i don't really believe he's one of the scum either right now.

idk i want this more
VOTE: flubber

skitter repeated this a few times.

i think this is a setup where scum are going to try to distance as much as possible. it's just necessary.
but it's really hard to analyze if the IC claim was a plan from the start of day 2. one could freely bus their buddy knowing meta says to let the claim live.

i think me and skitter (and tris, it sounds like) were players who

should

have been aware of this possibility and just. didn't consider it. because yes, it is exactly like that other game i spectated.

it's really late but i'm going to look at day 2 again with this in mind tomorrow, i think. knowing that he just needed to survive one more day, i don't believe Flubber's own ISO will be too useful.

Thank you for your understanding

not sure how serious this is, but i also chose Xtoxm over Flubber when Ankamius wanted Flubber, and later when skitter wanted Flubber.
then again everyone fell for the stupid IC claim so i wonder if where the wagons went even mattered. nobody even questioned him on if the IC was a day 3 only ability. or anything. like... i don't know how that happened. i wasn't around when it did but when i read it my only thought was "okay, it will resolve itself tomorrow" when i've seen

multiple

games where scum does that just to live another day.

town: Ankamius, skitter30, Elbirn, Succinct (unless this was the bus? going to look again)

probably town based on my theory: tris

player i'm townreading but really really needs to get in here and town it up so i don't worry he's scum: Creature

leftovers: Reck, Nim, NMSA

not good enough, but it's a start. gun to my head i'd lynch Reck.

what makes you put chara in the townpile ank

@succinct: Flubber pings me as town bc of the votehops. they don't seem calculated, they seem to be occurring to flubber as he plays. idk if he could fake that as scum.

@nim: what's your read on me?

I've completely lost my will to win this game, it died after the D1 lynch, and now it feels like diving into a pool of molasses just reading the thread. I'm perfectly willing to sheep Ank or skitter or someone if it will just get this game to the end or at least to a point where the game is moving fast than 2 posts a day. If Ank is scum taking advantage to lead town astray, then screw it the scumteam deserves the win because I just don't care enough anymore. VOTE: Flubber, I hope it's not L-1 or a hammer cause I'm sure not checking.

AUGHHH I WANT TO WRITE OFF NMSA SO BAD BUT THIS

IS

SO

FUCKING

TERRIBLE

you say that like this conversation was pointless to me.
VOTE: Xtoxm

this vote appeals to me and chara's reasoning lines up pretty well

VOTE: Flubber L-1

wait no VOTE: xtoxm

i think flub is town

i think there's a universe in this game where tris/NMSA has scum in it, and another where Reck is scum.
the way he noted my reasoning as making him want to vote Xtoxm especially sticks out to me, as well as his focus on NMSA.

same issue as Elbirn where defending Flubber looks bad, so i need to think about this in the morning. difference being Elbirn fought against both wagons.
okay, i'm sleeping now i hope.

also the vote onto Flubber from Reck was fairly awkward, which is why i quoted it.
and at the time i was happy Reck liked my reasoning for Xtoxm scum, but in hindsight it may have just been convenient for him.

actually fuck flubber is town so i need to bump him way up and then figure out who else goes in the scumpile

and it wasn't the first time in the game Reck had an awkward read on Flubber. he's also townreading him here but in the readlist in the previous post he again "mistakenly" had Flubber listed as scum.
it's pretty strange.

it'd be really nice if this was it because then we can lynch Reck and snatch victory from the jaws of terrible decisions.
i'll probably do that, if anyone thinks i'm wrong or scum i'll fistfight you in the morning, we can figure out who's right from there.

no remarks from Elbirn and tris?
we're so close to losing, you people have to limit break. now is the time. HP's in the red. activate your Blaze ability and up that attack power.

@Ank, I’m fine sheeping you here. And if anyone you sr that is inline with Chara’s pushes flips red, then I’m probably wrong on Chara. I’m not tr Reck or NMSA but Chara’s posting postflip, is pinging my scumdar off the freaking charts. My voting has been very similar to hers in the last day but somehow that makes me a “leftover” and Creature,

not town enough

. I’m calling total bs on both of that and if either one of Chara/Tris winds up flipping scum, my anti-spew D1 VCA is clearly dead wrong.

[Nimueh]

Votecount 1.14

tris(5)

~ skitter30(221), Brigitte(240), Elbirn(217), Creature(36), Flubbernugget(78)

Brigitte(4)

~ Ankamius(304), tris(119), xRECKONERx(124), Xtoxm(255)

skitter30(1)

~ Nimueh(192)

Nimueh(1)

~ NotMySpamAccount(79)

Elbirn(1)

~ Chara(137)

Ankamius(1)

~ Succinct(55)


Not Voting (0):

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch. The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2019-03-08 00:58:59).

Mod Notes:

skitter30 is V/LA on weekends.
Nimueh is V/LA while sick.

Votecount 1.Final

Brigitte(7)

~ Ankamius(304), tris(119), xRECKONERx(124), Xtoxm(255), Chara(137), Succinct(55), Brigitte(240)

tris(3)

~ Elbirn(217), Creature(36), Flubbernugget(78)

skitter30(1)

~ Nimueh(192)

Nimueh(1)

~ NotMySpamAccount(79)


Not Voting (1): skitter30(221)

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch. The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2019-03-08 00:58:59).

Mod Notes:

skitter30 is V/LA on weekends.
Nimueh is V/LA while sick.

The heat has a way of getting to you on a clear day out at sea. Brigitte was nervous. Was she next?

Her paniced behavior did not go unnoticed. Soon enough, a crowd of people had surrounded her, questioning her as to knowledge or guilt regarding what happened to the Captain. For Brigitte, it became too much.

Someone started shouting at the crowd, trying to separate them.

"Get back! Give her some space!"

But it was too late. As the crowd parted, she was nowhere to be found, having thrown herself overboard.

Brigitte,

Crewman

, was lynched Day 1.

Day 1 ends. Day 2 begins.

Chara and Succinct are the last two votes on Brigritte. I’m hardtown reading Enter slot, and Succinct was one of the first like me to townlock Creature, which makes Chara’s 180 on his slot even more concerning. Creature like Ank was early on Flubber wagon and if Chara has any idea who I am, it’s scummy af for him to me walking back his pre-Flubber flip obvtown Creature read, because she knows damned well she has damned good reason to trust my Creature townlock.

[Nimueh]

Flubber was on the tris wagon

It's not impossible that scum dog piled on tris (1 more scum on that wagon) since that would make Brigitte look a lot worse upon a tris flip

Also just noting here that skitter was the only slot that didn't vote for either lynch wagon

Just noting (:

Yes and she also had the weird votepark on Flubber, which she got called out on.

Flubber/Chara/Skitter as the scumteam would not be a complete shock to me at this point. I just don’t believe Chara’s reads progression post-Flubber flip is sincere.

Tris was his #1 push, pre-flip and post-flip she’s practically townlock. Tris could still be town, I’m just not buying Chara’s sudden readchange on her. It’s almost like we are seeing two different Chara’s pre and post-Flubber flip.

[Nimueh]

What's Charas plan here exactly?

If she’s scum, to push mislynches. Unlike you, there is nothing that confitowns her but she has someone who voted similar to he as a “leftover” and How did Creature become less obvtown post-Flubber flip? And how did Skitter become suddenly obvtown because of it?

None of that is making any sense to me. And yeah, I feel very confident that if bussing occurred on Brigitte wagon, it wasn’t Succinct. It’s primarily because my hard townread on Enter slot has increased. It’s not as strong as Creature/you but I would be legit shocked if Succinct ever flips scum here.

[Nimueh]

What's Charas plan here exactly?

If she’s scum, to push mislynches. Unlike you, there is nothing that confitowns her but she has someone who voted similar to he as a “leftover” and How did Creature become less obvtown post-Flubber flip? And how did Skitter become suddenly obvtown because of it?

None of that is making any sense to me. And yeah, I feel very confident that if bussing occurred on Brigitte wagon, it wasn’t Succinct. It’s primarily because my hard townread on Enter slot has increased. It’s not as strong as Creature/you but I would be legit shocked if Succinct ever flips scum here.

Sorry, I mean that if scum was driving Brigitte wagon.

[Nimueh]

Why is Elbirn town?

I could be wrong on that. I just don’t tr Chara anymore.

[Nimueh]

I'll look at succinct later, that slot isn't super important to me atm

I'd still like to lock that slot down before end of day though, I'd much rather not hit a situation where they're scum and end the day before I really look at them and just kill me, then charisma through to victory

Yeah I understand but the only way I’m ever voting Succinct here, is if I’m in LYLO with one of Creature/you and him. Otherwise, I don’t even want to touch his wagon.

[Nimueh]

I'll look at succinct later, that slot isn't super important to me atm

I'd still like to lock that slot down before end of day though, I'd much rather not hit a situation where they're scum and end the day before I really look at them and just kill me, then charisma through to victory

Yeah I understand but the only way I’m ever voting Succinct here, is if I’m in LYLO with one of Creature/you and him. Otherwise, I don’t even want to touch his wagon.

Creature/you/Succinct are currently my top townreads. I understand why you’re not as confident as I am, on Succinct town.

[Nimueh]

I understand why you’re not as confident as I am, on Succinct town.

They're a very good scum player

I wouldn't even call pushing on Flubber after the IC thing town indicative

It’s because of

Enter

. I’m hardtown reading HIM. I’m pretty much convinced this is obvtown Enter in this game. I don’t believe this is his scumgame here. My townlock on Succinct is primarily based on Enter ISO.

[Nimueh]

Oh my gosh. Why didn't I think about this possibility. This is exactly like that other game.

I mean, i said that this could be a thing like 100 pages ago and you *acknowledged it and interacted with me saying that* so this feels fake

It reminds me of the game you were in with the mod. Where she caught you fake claiming as vig.

Succinctly: this game is 3:10 nightless for the first two Day phases, after which it transitions into Extradition Mafia. Whenever scum is lynched during the first two Day phases, they must confirm 5 living players to be Town. If no scum is lynched during the first two Day phases, a member of the Mafia will escape immediately following the end of the second Day phase.

The Extradition Mafia game? That’s the game Tris was referring to, yes?

[Nimueh]

Flubber was on the tris wagon

It's not impossible that scum dog piled on tris (1 more scum on that wagon) since that would make Brigitte look a lot worse upon a tris flip

Also just noting here that skitter was the only slot that didn't vote for either lynch wagon

Just noting (:

Yes and she also had the weird votepark on Flubber, which she got called out on.

Flubber/Chara/Skitter as the scumteam would not be a complete shock to me at this point. I just don’t believe Chara’s reads progression post-Flubber flip is sincere.

Tris was his #1 push, pre-flip and post-flip she’s practically townlock. Tris could still be town, I’m just not buying Chara’s sudden readchange on her. It’s almost like we are seeing two different Chara’s pre and post-Flubber flip.

Yep, i agree, when i lose by lynching my buddy i try to get him lynched about four times over the course of the dayphase, great plan

(I'm also going to point out that i'm like ... the only person here who has played this setup as scum before so its pretty easy to check how i would play this as scum - and i'm so ridiculously out of my scumrange for this kind of game)

I’m now thinking Flubber/ with one or both of Chara/Tris or maybe I should sheep Ank and you on Reck. The problem is, I no longer trust Chara. She’s the only one whose reads did a complete 180 as a result of that flip. And Chara just happened to be online soon after and unlike Ank, didn’t really seem terribly shocked by it, so even if Reck is scum, she could still be bussing.

As you pointed out, Chara was not on the right side of Flubbergate, so when I compare Ank’s and your reactions with Chara’s, she looks even worse.

[Nimueh]

then again everyone fell for the stupid IC claim so i wonder if where the wagons went even mattered.

Well, i didnt

yes, you did. you unvoted him and the wagons went back to Xtoxm. disbelieving it didn't matter when his goal was only to survive and he was given that.

And I, someone who has never before played that game, didn’t? @Chara?

[Nimueh]

in my post above, there's also the possibility of scum Reck and town Nim who reacted very strongly to me putting her in my leftovers pile. i actually find that very likely, too.
but i'm most concerned with lynching scum today. if we fail then another scum will escape and

then

finding the last one will be more fruitful.

How do I know you’re not just pocketing me here? And it wasn’t just your 180 on me. I reacted “very strongly to”, it was also your comment about Creature needing to “obvtown” it more. If you know who I am, there isn’t any reason for you to doubt my obvtown Creature read here, especially when he was early on Flubber wagon. I don’t see how Flubber flip should have any impact on your Creature read, whatsoever.

[Nimueh]

And Chara just happened to be online soon after and unlike Ank, didn’t really seem terribly shocked by it, so even if Reck is scum, she could still be bussing.

scum me is never bussing here, one scum lynch and scum loses. scum can only pretend to bus at this point.

Alright, so Reck and you are never S/S then.

[Nimueh]

i wasn't shocked because i just read the game skitter was referencing where she was scum, and have

been

referencing it for myself when reading her.
Ank's right about the IC claim being clumsy, but it still worked. even those who didn't believe it still unvoted him and let him escape.

i was on the wrong side of Flubber, sure. that's on me.
but your reads

should

be shaken up by that flip. it changes the game dramatically. in a normal game, bussing is seen very often and is less useful for reading scum. in this game, scum couldn't risk it. towncred from bussing is simply not worth having to confirm 5 townies. and now, scum can't go all the way on a bus at all.

If I had played that Extradition game, there’s no way in hell, I would have ever believed that IC claim. That’s why I asked him, if he was a D3 IC.

[Nimueh]

UNVOTE:

[Nimueh]

I’m now thinking Flubber/ with one or both of Chara/Tris or maybe I should sheep Ank and you on Reck. The problem is, I no longer trust Chara. She’s the only one whose reads did a complete 180 as a result of that flip. And Chara just happened to be online soon after and unlike Ank, didn’t really seem terribly shocked by it, so even if Reck is scum, she could still be bussing.

I have a really hard time believing your reads when they seem to be predicated on how people are reading you

How do you keep forgetting I never sr Enter?

[Nimueh]

If I had played that Extradition game, there’s no way in hell, I would have ever believed that IC claim. That’s why I asked him, if he was a D3 IC.

that's good on you, but it still happened this way.

it's not even just Extradition, i've played/spectated at least three games like this. granted, one was older, but i still remember it.

I haven’t and I would have been a lot more suspicious - particularly in this setup, if I had. I though at the worst, it was fake and we lynch him today. What actually happened never occurred to me, because I’ve never played any game like this, with a similar mechanic.

[Nimueh]

I’m now thinking Flubber/ with one or both of Chara/Tris or maybe I should sheep Ank and you on Reck. The problem is, I no longer trust Chara. She’s the only one whose reads did a complete 180 as a result of that flip. And Chara just happened to be online soon after and unlike Ank, didn’t really seem terribly shocked by it, so even if Reck is scum, she could still be bussing.

I have a really hard time believing your reads when they seem to be predicated on how people are reading you

How do you keep forgetting I never sr Enter?

ngl i kinda want to vote nimueh; she feels really flat here for her and

i'm kinda surprised that she's not scumreading enter here tbh

pedit

WHY ARE YOU ASKING MY OPINION!!!!!!

[Nimueh]

Just that. I will be confirmed town tomorrow

Are you claiming D3 IC?

No I'm scumclaiming

[Nimueh]

my vote is staying parked on brigitte like until she's dead k bye

"I refuse to engage with a player unless she is already prematurely frustrated and emotional, and making further attempts later on is out of the question. I will now sit on her wagon until she is dead. Do not bother engaging with me further."

One of the reasons I’m hard tr this slot.

[Nimueh]

Rereading Flubber ISO makes me think that he’s probably not partners with Chara and his chumminess with Elbirn reads more like a pocket. Scum, unless they’re newbscum, don’t generally tend to high five their buddies.

[Nimueh]

Recks play does not feel natural at all

Rereading i noticed i missed some questions directed at me. I will get back to that soon

Urap, why is nmsa no longer your top scum read?

VOTE: reck

Actually UNVOTE: VOTE: nmsa

VOTE: Flubber L-1

wait no VOTE: xtoxm

i think flub is town

VOTE: Flubber L-1

wait no VOTE: xtoxm

i think flub is town

Why?

ive explained this already im not going to do your work for you

[Nimueh]

like i can't even argue with people wanting to lynch me. my defense of flubber looks really really bad and i cannot defend it because it was shit based on gut. and couple that with me leading the brigitte charge d1 and yeah, i get the desire to lynch me. im not even sure i particularly have it in me to fight the lynch because it's deserved.

by that logic, a lynch on me or on Elbirn is deserved too.

i need to look again but Flubber on tris doesn't really look like bussing to me.

can you explain those two times you had Flubber as scum/voted him then said he's town immediately after?
or a more in depth response to my case would be nice too.

pedit: were those quotes from Flubber from Day 1, Nim?

Yeah, I think so.

[Nimueh]

Votecount 1.14

tris(5)

~ skitter30(221), Brigitte(240), Elbirn(217), Creature(36), Flubbernugget(78)

Brigitte(4)

~ Ankamius(304), tris(119), xRECKONERx(124), Xtoxm(255)

skitter30(1)

~ Nimueh(192)

Nimueh(1)

~ NotMySpamAccount(79)

Elbirn(1)

~ Chara(137)

Ankamius(1)

~ Succinct(55)


Not Voting (0):

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch. The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2019-03-08 00:58:59).

Mod Notes:

skitter30 is V/LA on weekends.
Nimueh is V/LA while sick.

Votecount 1.Final

Brigitte(7)

~ Ankamius(304), tris(119), xRECKONERx(124), Xtoxm(255), Chara(137), Succinct(55), Brigitte(240)

tris(3)

~ Elbirn(217), Creature(36), Flubbernugget(78)

skitter30(1)

~ Nimueh(192)

Nimueh(1)

~ NotMySpamAccount(79)


Not Voting (1): skitter30(221)

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch. The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2019-03-08 00:58:59).

Mod Notes:

skitter30 is V/LA on weekends.
Nimueh is V/LA while sick.

The heat has a way of getting to you on a clear day out at sea. Brigitte was nervous. Was she next?

Her paniced behavior did not go unnoticed. Soon enough, a crowd of people had surrounded her, questioning her as to knowledge or guilt regarding what happened to the Captain. For Brigitte, it became too much.

Someone started shouting at the crowd, trying to separate them.

"Get back! Give her some space!"

But it was too late. As the crowd parted, she was nowhere to be found, having thrown herself overboard.

Brigitte,

Crewman

, was lynched Day 1.

Day 1 ends. Day 2 begins.

Flubber put Tris at L-2 before Brigitte and Skitter jumped off of that wagon, so Tris is probably town because of this.

[Nimueh]

can you explain those two times you had Flubber as scum/voted him then said he's town immediately after?

i kinda latched onto flub's d1 play where he was being flighty and vote hopping and my read on it was scum would be more careful about their vote switches

but the way flub was doing it was so loud and in your face that i couldn't help but think it had to be town due to attitude

then i kept seeing him do scummy things and would vote him only to remind myself "wait shit he did that stuff early game that makes him town" so i unvoted

im all fucked up about it now. cuz like i see elbirn doing something very similar to flub in terms of playstyle and find myself reading him town for it. but i was wrong about flub.
creature is doing nothing too.

chara, you're my top townread by far.

NMSA/tris are my top two scumreads but that feels too fucking easy. with this setup there's no way this is a slam dunk

Shouldn’t Ank be your top townread, since she was the one hardest pushing Flubber? Creature was early on Flubber wagon. Flubber put Tris at L-2 and he was also hardpushing NMSA. Chara has pointed out, that bussing is unlikely in this setup, so based on this post, the Flubber flip hasn’t changed any of your reads in the slightest?

[Nimueh]

Why would Flubber need to do anything when the wagon on him is already stalled? All he needs to do is not say anything too scummy and he's already set to be released from being today's lynch. The support against the wagons is not going to get higher than it already is without a huge centralized push as it is until it gets too close to deadline. Plus my influence is actually waning over time, and there is the very real threat that if it gets low enough, the wagons will dissipate if for no better reason because I'm trying to lead them.

yeah i was tallying up the votes on friday and was thinking that like .... there really aren't 7 people willing to lynch flubber rn i think and i'm really puzzled as to why that is because there's at best like three people townreading him (for like dubious reasons imo)

like i'm not sure why there's so much resistance here

Votecount 2.5

Flubbernugget(5)

~ Creature(47), Succinct(15), NotMySpamAccount(25), skitter30(110), tris(16)

Xtoxm(2)

~ Chara(66), Nimueh(172)

tris(2)

~ xRECKONERx(25), Elbirn(32)

Chara(1)

~ Flubbernugget(43)

Ankamius(1)

~ Xtoxm(29)


Not Voting (1): Ankamius(219)

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch. The Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2019-03-19 23:56:59).

there weren't 7 votes for flubber when i wrote this

so i think that there's at least one scum in the people offwagon, if not both
(for the purposes of this i'm counting ank as being onwagon because she was willing to switch to flubber; the wagon was really stalled at 6 including her and i didn't think there was another vote)

xtoxm and flubber flipped, so that leaves at least one scum in {chara, nimueh, reck, elbirn}

and i think that the likelihood of them being scum is in the following order: reck >> nimuh > chara >>>> elbirn

elbirn i feel very confident is town
chara is above the null line but them being in this group is making me a little :/
nimueh
and i'm voting reck

I don’t like this post. It sounds like you could possibly be setting up mislynches. And you keep saying that you trust Ank’s read on me but I have never really believed your read on me to be genuine. So, rn gun to head, I think that town!you would have been more waffley/back and forth on your read on me, than you have this game and like Chara, you ought to be trusting my Creature read but unlike Chara, you have pretty much demonstrated 0 inclination to try to accurately sort me and finally, you know far too much about this setup. to have automatically accepted Flubber’s IC claim. So I adamantly disagree with Chara on that. Players who have familiarity with this kind of setup, should absolutely be held to a higher scrutiny than those who haven’t. When Flubber first made the IC claim, I wondered what an IC would be doing in a mountainous setup but you should have been a lot more skeptical of that and why I’m directing this to you over Chara, is that you have made a least a few posts about that, indicating to me, that your blanket acceptance of Flubber’s claim, makes your lack of skepticism, hard to believe.

[Nimueh]

i think i'm decent enough at reading gamestates that i could sense what i would need to do to make that happen but i don't think i'm good enough at scum to actually do it well if that makes sense

i kinda tried pulling something kinda similar in the last extradition mafia actually (tried to not-bus a50 for most of the game; pretty sure nobody thought we were aligned in the end; i got caught for other reasons) but what i would have had to do here is on another level i think; don't think scum!me could pull it off

the way i did here

like i'm *very* hyper-aware of where that line is and i know how to get close to it but i'm very scared of going overboard at the same time

but this is all self-meta so :shrug:

Typo or scumslip? or am I misreading it?

Okay maybe we can just lynch nmsa

Said Elbirn, without voting. By all means, lynch me, but get reck tomorrow. (scum!me could say this, hoping you guys wouldn't follow up, gaining towncred. that would give reck some towncred as well I think, but not much. given the risk of town actually lynching me, scum!me wouldn't like the odds, and probably wouldn't say it. this would be wifom if I were scum, but it's something to think about nonetheless.)

i mean really?

I have no clue how to recognize a scumslip, so I may as well point it out to people who do.

So having looked at flubber's votes, it looks like (up to the fakeclaim) creature and succinct were on him the whole way. skitter hopped on and off. Ank was there for a bit but left for xtoxm. I just realized how much this sounds like innuendo dangit. This suggests skitter could be distancing maybe.

Gut reads:

Elbirn: ehhhhhhhhhh I can't tell but maybe scum or misled town????
Nim: scumlean from ignoring my questions d1, but close to null from later posting
Succinct: I have no clue. Mild tr from Enter.
skitter: townlean from tone????
Chara: townlean from d3 opening, seems hard to fake but idk
reck: scummy, don't like the mildly illogical push on me/tris
tris: not enough content today, tr from voting Flubber?? or something I can't remember even though I just reread all the d2 vcs I is a dumb
Creature: No clue, not enough content, fear of lurkers means a small sr
Ank: town from the flubber push

purely logical readlist incoming soon maybe if I don't get bored/tired.

If you think Skitter might have “scumslipped” or is “distancing”, then how is she still a townlean for you?

[Nimueh]

@mod, do all three scum need to escape for a scum win?

[Nimueh]

i think i'm decent enough at reading gamestates that i could sense what i would need to do to make that happen but i don't think i'm good enough at scum to actually do it well if that makes sense

i kinda tried pulling something kinda similar in the last extradition mafia actually (tried to not-bus a50 for most of the game; pretty sure nobody thought we were aligned in the end; i got caught for other reasons) but what i would have had to do here is on another level i think; don't think scum!me could pull it off

the way i did here

like i'm *very* hyper-aware of where that line is and i know how to get close to it but i'm very scared of going overboard at the same time

but this is all self-meta so :shrug:

Typo or scumslip? or am I misreading it?

Okay maybe we can just lynch nmsa

Said Elbirn, without voting. By all means, lynch me, but get reck tomorrow. (scum!me could say this, hoping you guys wouldn't follow up, gaining towncred. that would give reck some towncred as well I think, but not much. given the risk of town actually lynching me, scum!me wouldn't like the odds, and probably wouldn't say it. this would be wifom if I were scum, but it's something to think about nonetheless.)

i mean really?

I have no clue how to recognize a scumslip, so I may as well point it out to people who do.

So having looked at flubber's votes, it looks like (up to the fakeclaim) creature and succinct were on him the whole way. skitter hopped on and off. Ank was there for a bit but left for xtoxm. I just realized how much this sounds like innuendo dangit. This suggests skitter could be distancing maybe.

Gut reads:

Elbirn: ehhhhhhhhhh I can't tell but maybe scum or misled town????
Nim: scumlean from ignoring my questions d1, but close to null from later posting
Succinct: I have no clue. Mild tr from Enter.
skitter: townlean from tone????
Chara: townlean from d3 opening, seems hard to fake but idk
reck: scummy, don't like the mildly illogical push on me/tris
tris: not enough content today, tr from voting Flubber?? or something I can't remember even though I just reread all the d2 vcs I is a dumb
Creature: No clue, not enough content, fear of lurkers means a small sr
Ank: town from the flubber push

purely logical readlist incoming soon maybe if I don't get bored/tired.

If you think Skitter might have “scumslipped” or is “distancing”, then how is she still a townlean for you?

it's a gut reads list. it's based mostly on tone and however I'm feeling at the time. also notice the 4 question marks. I also said in a post you even quoted that I don't know how to recognize a scumslip.

I don’t know whether what she posted, could technically be considered a “scumslip” or not but it’s still none the less, a suspicious post to me. If you compare and contrasts Ank’s post about self-mera with Skitter’s, I think it becomes increasingly obvious that Skitter is far more aware of the mechanics of the setup, than she has been claiming. Many of her posts about the setup spec in general, have had a TMI feel to them and I’m not just referring to the IC thing either but to her initial “nighless” comments wrt Ank.

[Nimueh]

huh,

i'm noticing the lack of mentioning 'daytalk' in the op

oh i reskimmed the first three pages; at the time i was more focused on enter than anything else but yeah the reason why tictac's vote bothered me is that i can see it as early-scum distancing on a wagon that's building on a partner that they imagine might dissipate before it goes anywhere dangerous; it's a safe-seeming way to distance at that stage

i'm not saying it *is* this; i'm saying that it's the sort of vote that i've seen scum make before so if someone *is* bussing on that wagon that's where i'd probe further

oh that reminds me: is forgetting that the game is nightless ai at all?

Yes, I become accountable for not dying later in the game and for having to either keep up the town leader persona or to find a way to 'apathy out' of that role.

This way I don't have to do any of that lol

P sure this is nightless as of RN, and "not dying" is a pretty silly excuse to lynch a town member.

No deadlines mafia we kept Nancy alive even though she was strong town because she was pocketed by the entire scum team.

well yeah

I'd also have the burden of making sure that kind of argument is the first thing people think of when they ask why I'm still alive rather than "oh they're a deepwolf"

ngl one of the reasons why i'm fine townbinning you for now is because i figure that if you're scum it'll probably become obvious if you never die (i guess i keep forgetting that the game is nightless rn so maybe this isn't the best idea)

I think if any post could possibly be considered a “scumslip”, this would be the most likely. So much self-consciousness from her about setup spec, which has been ongoing including the recent post that pinged you. Also, further backing up my point about why being unfamiliar with the setup is townie and why Succinct/Enter slot, is almost certainly town here.

[Nimueh]

oh that reminds me: is forgetting that the game is nightless ai at all?

oh that reminds me: is forgetting that the game is nightless ai at all?

I've forgotten a number of times so far

so probably not?

Remembering it is nightless might be slightly slightly scum-indicative

oh maybe it is slightly slightly town-indic

Once again, Urap2, was clearly unaware of spec setup, and more recently and before NMSA’s “catch”? there’s some interesting interactions between Tris/Skitter as well wrt to that.

[Nimueh]

idk i want this more
VOTE: flubber

skitter repeated this a few times.

i think this is a setup where scum are going to try to distance as much as possible. it's just necessary.
but it's really hard to analyze if the IC claim was a plan from the start of day 2. one could freely bus their buddy knowing meta says to let the claim live.

i think me and skitter (and tris, it sounds like) were players who

should

have been aware of this possibility and just. didn't consider it. because yes, it is exactly like that other game i spectated.

Sorry Chara, I misinterpreted your post, you did agree with this.

[Nimueh]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10609354

https://forum.mafiascum.net/posting.php ... D=10688178

Spoiler:

no, i think you're just annoyed that i caught you, and it's an egregious misrep to say that i do this every game irregardless of your/mine alignmenets given that i think every single town game i've played with you in the last like half year besides like starcraft i correctly read town!you off of like two posts; it only takes me this long to figure out your alignment when you're scum

if you're actually town here and have a problem with how i sort you or playing with me we can talk about it in post or pm after teh game is over if you like, and i sincerely apologize for upsetting you, although i'm not entirely sure what's upset you here; otherwise i think you just have to say this to get me off your back without actually addressing any of the points that i've raised.

and lol at me being scared of you.

flubber's claimed vt already. if you're town this should end the game overnight, and if you're scum i get to say i told you so tomorrow.
VOTE: flubber

Can anyone claim the A50 kill?

i assume that the real vig just didn't bother ccing a50 given that he/she could shoot him

would like to know who's locktown first before advancing

fuck it
hi this is me

i thought the game would end once i shot a50 but that ... apparently isn't a thing
ngl i'm more than kinda annoyed that the game is still ongoing after four nights of this

I mean I agree and I think she vtslipped sod anyway but it was still a crazy high pressure situation

yeah maybe i should have just kept going but when nsg kinda laid the setup out i was just like: yeah idk i literally have nothing to say to that

the main reason why this game was playable was because it was closed and she kinda took away that advantage

but @nsg that was pretty impressive, good job!

i was actually really mad when i saw that A50 was the one to escape because he was the only real scumread i had

my thing with saying the vig would be locktown was something of a longshot that i didn't expect to actually work out

yeah i'm a *little* bit frustrated that i fell for it given that i recognized the possibility that it was bait :/

i had A50 down completely but did not think it was you

i did really dislike your hammering flubber yesterday but it was moreso in the context of "ah why won't you let me replace in before the day is over and lynch a50!". if i took a moment to stop and think about it i think i might have been able to recognize it as a scum move, but i'm not sure.

reading back you certainly set yourself up for the vig claim very nicely

yeah i spent quite a while trying to figure out how to distance without, like, actually bussing any one of 4 different partners, it was a little bit tricky

eh i did learn a bunch of things tho:
1. being wrong as scum is fine and i can fake being stubborn sometimes
2. apparently i shouldn't worry about being read on bop?
3. being reckless is not a good idea for my playstyle
4. apparently i can fool nsg? this is kinda surprising to learn ngl
5. i do not enjoy nightless or lover setups as scum and i'm going to stay very far away from them

Did scum have daychat?

nope

I don’t believe that anyone who plays scum in this kind of setup, would have been this quick to buy Flubber IC claim.

[Nimueh]

another thing for skitter: you've justified your paranoia about me with the lack of nightkills multiple times; scum Chara can't remove you by killing you.
but you also have mentioned a few times that you keep forgetting the game is nightless, regarding your townread on Ank that she would probably be nightkilled if town.

so it's a weird juxtaposition between remembering it's nightless every single time you mention your paranoia of me, but then what about your decision regarding Ank? are you stringly townreading her or are you townreading her with the caveat she would be removed if town?

and then something something tmi, i feel like skitter's one of the only players who even keeps bringing up the nightless thing.

Wow, Chara caught this early but before the IC thing, it didn’t ping me that hard,

[Nimueh]

@mod, do all three scum need to escape for a scum win?

The Mafia win when all living members of the Mafia escape, yes.

Oh okay, so VCA is absolutely critical, since scum clearly cannot bus.

[Nimueh]

VOTE: Skitter

Town!her would have absolutely demonstrated even an iota of progression on my slot by this point and after reading ISOing her in that similar scumgame, she has made way too many self-conscious references to setup spec, which sound very similar to the ISO in the link to that scum PT. I don’t buy that anyone that much aware of the very similar setup mechanics between this game and Townsquare, would have being that quick to believe Flubber IC claim.

[Nimueh]

Yes, I become accountable for not dying later in the game and for having to either keep up the town leader persona or to find a way to 'apathy out' of that role.

This way I don't have to do any of that lol

P sure this is nightless as of RN, and "not dying" is a pretty silly excuse to lynch a town member.

No deadlines mafia we kept Nancy alive even though she was strong town because she was pocketed by the entire scum team.

well yeah

I'd also have the burden of making sure that kind of argument is the first thing people think of when they ask why I'm still alive rather than "oh they're a deepwolf"

ngl one of the reasons why i'm fine townbinning you for now is because i figure that if you're scum it'll probably become obvious if you never die (i guess i keep forgetting that the game is nightless rn so maybe this isn't the best idea)

This post in particular makes me question a townie motivation. Why does town!Skitter make this kind of post on a currently nightless setup on D1. This post in particular, reeks of TMI. It tells me that Skitter didn’t really believe the game was nighless and that’s why her complete lack of skepticism at Flubbber’s IC claim is sudpect. Her “one or BOTH scum have to be offwagon”, also sounds like a defensive pointing away from that. This makes it suspiciously easy to push two out of Reck/me/Chara.

[Nimueh]

Spoiler:

I think Ank is clear here.
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NMSA seems unlikely to be scum because Flubbernugget was on that wagon while it was at L-1 for a while.
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I'll trust the townreads on Creature
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Something keeps bugging me about Ank. I don't know what it is. Every logical bone in my body says she should be town but I keep getting premonition flashes of "this is the mastermind that pulled this whole thing off" and it eats away at me. I think Ank's continued reprisal of "omg this is so outside my scum range" is what's really bugging me. I hate self meta, especially when it is repeated over and over as a way to clear yourself as town.

I don't think scum would post this

I agree with this.

A lot of Reck's posts have felt like town to me.
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I have been townreading skitter and I don't think she was bussing.
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I can't seem to recall exactly why I townread nimueh.
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i think this is a setup where scum are going to try to distance as much as possible. it's just necessary.
but it's really hard to analyze if the IC claim was a plan from the start of day 2. one could freely bus their buddy knowing meta says to let the claim live.

I don't think the IC claim is a reliable out. We could have lynched him anyway. Especially since some of us have seen this kind of set up before.

i think there's a universe in this game where tris/NMSA has scum in it, and another where Reck is scum.

Why this dichotomy?

actually fuck flubber is town so i need to bump him way up and then figure out who else goes in the scumpile

and it wasn't the first time in the game Reck had an awkward read on Flubber. he's also townreading him here but in the readlist in the previous post he again "mistakenly" had Flubber listed as scum.
it's pretty strange.

That is strange. I don't know why mafia would act that way though.

no remarks from Elbirn and tris?
we're so close to losing, you people have to limit break. now is the time. HP's in the red. activate your Blaze ability and up that attack power.

I went to bed. I didn't have time to reevaluate.

Flubber/Chara/Skitter as the scumteam would not be a complete shock to me at this point.

I don't think Chara and skitter's interactions are SvS.

Oh my gosh. Why didn't I think about this possibility. This is exactly like that other game.

I mean, i said that this could be a thing like 100 pages ago and you *acknowledged it and interacted with me saying that* so this feels fake

I mentioned that game, but I didn't think that almost the same thing was going on here.

It reminds me of the game you were in with the mod. Where she caught you fake claiming as vig.

Do you spectate a lot of games?

I've spectated some recently, but not a large amount.
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In response to this case on skitter,

I think the way skitter kept speculating about the setup makes sense to me. I kept thinking about it myself. As for her response to the IC claim, first of all, she didn't believe the claim. She just decided to deal with it the next day. And the fact that it didn't occur to her that this game was like the other one in this way could also apply to me and Chara. We should also have realized.

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I guess Succinct is town also?

I feel like I'm townreading to many people. I'm flip floping on whether I want to townread Elbirn.

I am most confident about Ankamius, NMSA, and I guess Creature.

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I'm still very unsure, but I want to put a vote down somewhere, so....

idk. hopefully I get a chance to interact with some people tomorrow.

Here’s the thing, you have Flubber putting you at L-2, Chara has been clearly trying to sort me, Skitter hasn’t and why are you disregarding my entire case on her what looks to me like TMI setup speculation?

She was scum in a very similar game to this one and I don’t know about you but I very rarely if ever, would forget the specific mechanics of any game I rolled scum in, so yeah, that’s what’s separating Skitter from you/Chara for me.

As scum in Townsquare, she should have been more skeptical about Flubber’s IC claim, because if you ISO her in THIS game, she has far more awareness of the setup than anyone else in the game and in your post, there is no scum in the game, so clearly you’re incorrectly tr SOMEONE. So, if you disagree with my Skitter vote, who do you think is better?

I’m pretty much tr the entire game but a few slots and my vote is probably between two people, obviously Skitter is one but I will sheep Ank and Creature, if they prefer the other, so long as it’s not one of my obvtown reads.

[Nimueh]

P.edit, yeah I agree about NMSA. I don’t see that he has either the game experience or scum expertise to likely pull off that kind of gambit, so I’m leaning rn to him being a probable mislynch. But his read on me, unlike Skitter’s has not been STATIC. Do you understand my point, @Tris? It’s not about whether or not she thinks I might be scum or not, it’s the total lack of any kind of progression on my slot thoughout the entire game, same is true for her Creature read. It’s like nothing I’ve posted in the entire game has imapcted her read on me, one way or another and having played with town!Skitter before, I’m having a great deal of trouble believing it’s real. It has read like a fake confibias to me, with Ank being the bar that lets her vote me or not. Ank trs me, she votes elesewhere. Ank srs me, bam, she votes me without a second thought. And her earlier reasons for voting me, read as contradictory to me. I’m both scum for over/underreacting to votes on me, pretty much. @NMSA, I honestly still don’t know for the life of me, exactly what question. you believe I was ignoring. I thought Tris already satisfactorily explained that?

Anyway, I will trust Ank/Creature reads. Ank was right about Flubber and Creature/Brigitte. So I am willing to re-evaluate but for rn, Skitter seems like the best vote and I’ve laid out my case why.

[Nimueh]

P.edit, yeah I agree about NMSA. I don’t see that he has either the game experience or scum expertise to likely pull off that kind of gambit, so I’m leaning rn to him being a probable mislynch. But his read on me, unlike Skitter’s has not been STATIC. Do you understand my point, @Tris? It’s not about whether or not she thinks I might be scum or not, it’s the total lack of any kind of progression on my slot thoughout the entire game, same is true for her Creature read. It’s like nothing I’ve posted in the entire game has imapcted her read on me, one way or another and having played with town!Skitter before, I’m having a great deal of trouble believing it’s real. It has read like a fake confibias to me, with Ank being the bar that lets her vote me or not. Ank trs me, she votes elesewhere. Ank srs me, bam, she votes me without a second thought. And her earlier reasons for voting me, read as contradictory to me. I’m both scum for over/underreacting to votes on me, pretty much. @NMSA, I honestly still don’t know for the life of me, exactly what question. you believe I was ignoring. I thought Tris already satisfactorily explained that?

Anyway, I will trust Ank/Creature reads. Ank was right about Flubber and Creature/Brigitte. So I am willing to re-evaluate but for rn, Skitter seems like the best vote and I’ve laid out my case why.

I don't remember what the question wa exactly, but htat's beside the point. The point was that at the time, you answered the wuestion with "I'd rather engage with you directly" when I said in the first line of the post that I'd scumread you if you didn't go find a relevant quote.

Alright but same thing, I didn’t know what “relevant quote” you were hoping for but when Tris clarified it to Enter, I assumed that it had been answered. Anyway, it probably is irrelevant at this point.

[Nimueh]

VOTE: Skitter

Town!her would have absolutely demonstrated even an iota of progression on my slot by this point and after reading ISOing her in that similar scumgame, she has made way too many self-conscious references to setup spec, which sound very similar to the ISO in the link to that scum PT. I don’t buy that anyone that much aware of the very similar setup mechanics between this game and Townsquare, would have being that quick to believe Flubber IC claim.

you seem to be completely glossing over some key points here - ie that i've said repeatedly that i can't untangle my read on you from all the associated baggage and so i've stopped trying to read you. Its kinda shitty to put me in a situation where you know i dont want to interact with you and then scumread me for not trying to read you

And i dont think its fair either to scumread me for backincnn off the ic claim in this setup given that i didnt, like, know that it was this setup till today. Yeah there were some artificial similarities that i noted as the game started but by then the setup looked different enough that it didnt really occur to me that the game might like randomly transition to this setup. If it was public knowledge, yeah, i would have been even more skeptical of the ic claim but i dont really think its fair to scumread me for not treating the game as being the same setup as jingle's game when there was nothing at that point indicating that this game would transition into it given that the obvious indicator (scum leaving the game n1) hadnt happened.

Like at that point in the game i had noticed some superficial similarities (alternate wincon, no nk) but it seemed obvious by day2 that it wasnt that setup given the lack of scum leaving overnight. And like i cant exactly predict the future, i was going by what i knew of the setup at the time coupled with making comparisons to.the most similar game i knew, even if it wasnt quite the same thing

And i had even gotten flak day1 for pointing out the similarities too

And like comparing my setup spec here (ie in the main thread) to what i said in a scum pt is silly, it would make more sense to compare what i said here to the main thread of that game; obviously i'm going yo be more open about my thoughts in a scum pt than in a main thread and like if i'm scum here i know how to keep my setup spec 'public knowledge apropriate' in the game thread

I think that's probably what i want to say to this, not sure if i'm going go respond to your resposnse tbh, not really interested in getting in another fight really.

If *anyone else* has concerns about what nim said lmk

I’m not sr you for “not interacting with [me]” ftr, so that is inaccurate. I really don’t care if you do that or not. What I do care about, is you total lack of progression on my slot, which doesn’t require you to interact with me directly but show some demonstration of critically reading my posts and that’s nothing even remotely “shitty” a about that. As I keep saying. it’s the fact that your read on me has remained

“Static”

and I can’t just pretend you’re not in this game and I’m tr the majority of the playerlist, for one reason or another, so it’s down to a few slots - one of which is you. However, that said, the setup spec/IC thing/ post suggesting one or both votes are “offwagon”, given the fact that I do that think that there are a few posts, where it looks to me like you could be TMIing, is why I’m currently voting you. The post about Ank not dying, reads like TMI to me. Prior to Flubber flip. I viewed that as more NAI but now I think it could possibly mean something.

[Nimueh]

As scum in Townsquare, she should have been more skeptical about Flubber’s IC claim, because if you ISO her in THIS game, she has far more awareness of the setup than anyone else in the game and in your post, there is no scum in the game, so clearly you’re incorrectly tr SOMEONE. So, if you disagree with my Skitter vote, who do you think is better?

Also notice that all of the things you're pointing out as being 'tmi setup spec' happened *day1* when there were enough superficial indicators that this setup was similar to jingle's game that i was considering that the game might have the same setup

When no scum left n1 i dropped that idea on day2 because that was the main feature of that setup so i was no longer thinking that the game might be extradition mafia; it didnt occur to me that it might transition to that later and at that point i had been coming up eith alternate ideas for what the setup was

And that's it, not responding anymore before i get frustrated again

I tr the majority of the playerlist. My vote is not set in stone. I want to hear who Ank/Creature prefer and why and will reassess. Rn, I see you as the best vote.

[Nimueh]

However, that said, the setup spec/IC thing/ post suggesting one or both votes are “offwagon”,

If there arent scum offwagon i'd be shocked. There just weren 7 votes to lynch him there and like no scum being offwagon means both were onwagon in a game where they'd have to conftown 5 people on his flip and they couldnt lynch him *despite* both of them being onwagon. That part of the game just doesnt make sense if there arent scum offwagon there

(And again it seems to me that you dont like ir because you happen to be in that group so)

What I do care about, is you total lack of progression on my slot, which doesn’t require you to interact with me directly but show some demonstration of critically reading my posts

I'm not, I've said repeatedly that I'm doing my best not to read them

No, I don’t like it because you’re not on that list. Therefore, I can’t completely rule out any self-interest on your part, I don’t think it’s at all cool that you are making virtually no attempt to sort me in this game. How is that at all pro-town?

[Nimueh]

Votecount 2.5

Flubbernugget(5)

~ Creature(47), Succinct(15), NotMySpamAccount(25), skitter30(110), tris(16)

Xtoxm(2)

~ Chara(66), Nimueh(172)

tris(2)

~ xRECKONERx(25), Elbirn(32)

Chara(1)

~ Flubbernugget(43)

Ankamius(1)

~ Xtoxm(29)


Not Voting (1): Ankamius(219)

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch. The Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2019-03-19 23:56:59).

Mod Notes:

skitter30 is V/LA on weekends.
Nimueh is V/LA while sick.

I am going to IC tomorrow

This kind of strengthens my theory on possible Skitter scum. I think the fake IC thing was likely discussed in scum chat in some capacity and I think the most logical play for scum in this situation, would have been on his wagon, then conveniently jump off post-IC claim and based on her ISO in that Townsquare game, scum!Skitter would definitely distance. I think that Chara being offwagon prior to Flubber IC claim, actually makes her more likely to be town here, not less because I think scum would have had to have had some idea of Flubber’s plan and her being onwagon pre-claim, would indicate she didn’t.

[Nimueh]

P.edit. I think reasonable odds of one scum being onwagon for distancing purposes and the other off but not on Xtoxm wagon, since scum would prefer not to be on a successful town wagon, if they can help it. So, this particular VC, points to Chzra more likely to be town, because she was both not on Flubber pre-IC claim, so no knowledge of his plans and being on Xtoxm, actually reads more like wrong town than being on any other wagon than Flubber’s.

[Nimueh]

Votecount 2.5

Flubbernugget(5)

~ Creature(47), Succinct(15), NotMySpamAccount(25), skitter30(110), tris(16)

Xtoxm(2)

~ Chara(66), Nimueh(172)

tris(2)

~ xRECKONERx(25), Elbirn(32)

Chara(1)

~ Flubbernugget(43)

Ankamius(1)

~ Xtoxm(29)


Not Voting (1): Ankamius(219)

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch. The Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2019-03-19 23:56:59).

Mod Notes:

skitter30 is V/LA on weekends.
Nimueh is V/LA while sick.

I am going to IC tomorrow

This kind of strengthens my theory on possible Skitter scum. I think the fake IC thing was likely discussed in scum chat in some capacity and I think the most logical play for scum in this situation, would have been on his wagon, then conveniently jump off post-IC claim and based on her ISO in that Townsquare game, scum!Skitter would definitely distance. I think that Chara being offwagon prior to Flubber IC claim, actually makes her more likely to be town here, not less because I think scum would have had to have had some idea of Flubber’s plan and her being onwagon pre-claim, would indicate she didn’t.

I feel like that plan would have been risky. People aren't guaranteed to believe the claim. Skitter in particular would have known that I knew about the game she had been in, so I could have pointed out the possibility.

In this particular setup, with a guaranteed flip and no complete bussing, scum ideally needs to both credibly distance and back off in order to push their partner. The fake IC claim is the ideal way to set up partner distancing, if you think about it, so Skitter knowing you might “catch” her, is not remotely a persuasive argument. As I already stated, she was scum in that setup. has made numerous TMI sounding posts about setup spec but nevertheless demonstrates 0 skepticism over Flubber IC claim. Why are you not even considering this as a possibility?

[Nimueh]

i want to be suspicious of Nim for the defense here but it's also pretty interesting reasoning that makes me happy to see. less so on skitter specifically being scum for it, i need to think about that.
i think one of my townreads is wrong. i really don't want it to be skitter and i wonder if that's making me incapable of properly reading her. it's also why i want to lynch the less-towny scum, whoever it is, than have to worry about sleeper scum.

Nim's reaction to my new list is also not one i think scum, even self-conscious scum, would have here. considering, again, that she has no reason to react that way when the one i wanted to lynch was Reck, not Nim. (unless Reck's her partner but i think i already said why i'm not worried about that.)

The slots I tr the least are Skitter, Reck and less likely Elbirn but he has been sorting so, it’s probably between them, since I can see reasons to tr everyone else in the game more. So, it’s not so much that I’m convinced on Skitter scum, it’s more like she has less things fmpov that makes her town rn, then anyone else in the game.

[Nimueh]

a) i never said or implied it was pro-town, it's pro my sanity and my emotional health. i'm really not interested in trying to sort you, sorry, the way you react to things fucks with my head too much and i just ... don't want to do it and don't want to read your posts or try to interact with you; i don't know why i'm responding to you rn tbh; apparently i'm bad at leaving things alone.

if the game suffers because i'm not sorting someone so be it; i'd rather it be that way than getting into another argument. (again, for the four thousandth time, i think it's kinda anti the spirit of the game to not try to sort people but like ... you put me in this situation so given that you know taht i don't want to play with you and that you know i don't like to read your posts i'm again not sure what you want me to do here; if you think what i'm doing is anti-town don't put me in situations where this is what i'm going to do as a result)

I think this is true.

It’s also entirely NAI and does virtually nothing to help me sort her.

[Nimueh]

Votecount 2.5

Flubbernugget(5)

~ Creature(47), Succinct(15), NotMySpamAccount(25), skitter30(110), tris(16)

Xtoxm(2)

~ Chara(66), Nimueh(172)

tris(2)

~ xRECKONERx(25), Elbirn(32)

Chara(1)

~ Flubbernugget(43)

Ankamius(1)

~ Xtoxm(29)


Not Voting (1): Ankamius(219)

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch. The Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2019-03-19 23:56:59).

Mod Notes:

skitter30 is V/LA on weekends.
Nimueh is V/LA while sick.

I am going to IC tomorrow

This kind of strengthens my theory on possible Skitter scum. I think the fake IC thing was likely discussed in scum chat in some capacity and I think the most logical play for scum in this situation, would have been on his wagon, then conveniently jump off post-IC claim and based on her ISO in that Townsquare game, scum!Skitter would definitely distance. I think that Chara being offwagon prior to Flubber IC claim, actually makes her more likely to be town here, not less because I think scum would have had to have had some idea of Flubber’s plan and her being onwagon pre-claim, would indicate she didn’t.

I feel like that plan would have been risky. People aren't guaranteed to believe the claim. Skitter in particular would have known that I knew about the game she had been in, so I could have pointed out the possibility.

In this particular setup, with a guaranteed flip and no complete bussing, scum ideally needs to both credibly distance and back off in order to push their partner. The fake IC claim is the ideal way to set up partner distancing, if you think about it, so Skitter knowing you might “catch” her, is not remotely a persuasive argument. As I already stated, she was scum in that setup. has made numerous TMI sounding posts about setup spec but nevertheless demonstrates 0 skepticism over Flubber IC claim. Why are you not even considering this as a possibility?

This isn't 0 skepticism.

fine
VOTE: xtoxm
i don't particularly believe the claim and if you can't/don't prove the ic-ness tomorrow i'm voting you again

Yes, she's voting for xtoxm there, but that's after Ank and me had already moved our votes there.

The voting for Xtom part has nothing whatsoever to do with my argument wrt to Flubber IC claim.

[Nimueh]

P.edit. @Tris. It’s completely irrelevant at what point she jumped off of Flubber really. It does however look good for NMSA that he stayed on Flubber until after irrelevant Xtoxm non-hammer.

[Nimueh]

P.edit. @Tris. It’s completely irrelevant at what point she jumped off of Flubber really. It does however look good for NMSA that he stayed on Flubber until after irrelevant Xtoxm non-hammer.

This was before the hammer

I'm gonna goahead and agree with Ank that town cohesion is done for. I'm crazy suspicious of the flubber claim, but I'm willing to lynch xtoxm just to see. VOTE: xtoxm If we can't get a lynch within irl today or tomorrow there's no way town has a chance bc we'll never agree enough on anything.

No, AFTER. He stayed on Flubber until after Xtoxm self-hammer than thought he was the hammer.

[Nimueh]

VOTE: Xtoxm
fuck everyone
worst town ever

8:04pm was when Xtoxm self-hammered.

[Nimueh]

I'm gonna goahead and agree with Ank that town cohesion is done for. I'm crazy suspicious of the flubber claim, but I'm willing to lynch xtoxm just to see. VOTE: xtoxm If we can't get a lynch within irl today or tomorrow there's no way town has a chance bc we'll never agree enough on anything.

I'm moving to Xtoxm if it gains another vote.

Ok. It's a lynch I like anyway. VOTE: xtoxm

Okay, whatever

VOTE: Xtoxm

oh ok

VOTE: xtoxm

crap did I just hammer without claim?

Oh wait, Tris is right here. NMSA isn’t cleared by this then.

[Nimueh]

3150 was made at 12:50 pm.

[Nimueh]

3150 was made at 12:50 pm.

So NMSA actually voted for Xtoxm twice but since the second vote was post-hammerUNVOTE: , it wouldn’t get counted, approximately 7 hours before Xtoxm self-hammered.

So, Reck can probably only be scum with Elbirn and Skitter probably only with NMSA, so gun to head, I think scum is Flubber/NMSA/Skitter.

I think NMSA “hammered” because he knew his vote wouldn’t be counted post-hammer and that no one would notice but thankfully Tris caught that.

So rn, I want to vote for one of them I think.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: NMSA

[Nimueh]

idc

I feel like I'm the first NK for most scumteams here anyways so I'm just going to assume every day is my last

I think this setup is mountainous right? So no tprs in this game. If you are, it would likely mean that your reads are probably on the right track.

Yeah, I thought it was, because Mod was the captain and sample role pm, was a crewman, just like Brigitte and Xtoxm flip.

And same as my own as well.

[Nimueh]

Okay yeah that's cool @the past 3667 posts, but Nim assumed the game was mountainous when that was information only scum would have

So that's literally the game right there

VOTE: Nimueh

Are you scum with Flubber, because I don’t see how that makes me scum, I’d say it proves what I’ve saying all along and anyone can check my ISO to verify this.

I still think it’s Skitter and NMSA though.

[Nimueh]

Okay yeah that's cool @the past 3667 posts, but Nim assumed the game was mountainous when that was information only scum would have

So that's literally the game right there

VOTE: Nimueh

Are you scum with Flubber, because I don’t see how that makes me scum, I’d say it proves what I’ve saying all along and anyone can check my ISO to verify this.

I still think it’s Skitter and NMSA though.

P.edit, you’re really good at this game.

[Nimueh]

idc

I feel like I'm the first NK for most scumteams here anyways so I'm just going to assume every day is my last

I think this setup is mountainous right? So no tprs in this game. If you are, it would likely mean that your reads are probably on the right track.

Oh good Nim scum slipped. We can just vote this and win yes?

Oh good lord walls of text heckin eff that

What do you think about my argument for NMSA being town?

I haven't read it (See post #3600)

I was trying to point you to it there. I was replying to post 3600.

Here it is.

NMSA seems unlikely to be scum because Flubbernugget was on that wagon while it was at L-1 for a while.

Yes I was being a snarky shit, perhaps undeservedly considering the post you're pointing me to is not a wall of text. I'm sorry for being cranky. Thank you for having a concise post instead of all these others ones that I'm skipping because they make my eyes roll backwards up into my head. I agree that you've made a good point for nmsa being town.

No, good luck with that Sherlock, if you’re actually town and want to lose the game.

[Nimueh]

skitter's town.
why did Nim think the setup was mountainous? it's a good question.

idc

I feel like I'm the first NK for most scumteams here anyways so I'm just going to assume every day is my last

I think this setup is mountainous right? So no tprs in this game. If you are, it would likely mean that your reads are probably on the right track.

Yeah, I thought it was, because Mod was the captain and sample role pm, was a crewman, just like Brigitte and Xtoxm flip.

And same as my own as well.

maybe the nks turn back on when we lynch scum, idk

i have to at some point go back and look at the circumstances of the votes on the brigitte wagon but off the cuff if there's scum on there i'd guess it to be between: {reck/tris/succint}

kinda want to do this for now until i sort out how i feel about the brigitte/tris wagons

VOTE: flubber
i have like no read on him and can't really remember much of anything he's said this game

maybe the nks turn back on when we lynch scum, idk

i have to at some point go back and look at the circumstances of the votes on the brigitte wagon but off the cuff if there's scum on there i'd guess it to be between: {reck/tris/succint}

kinda want to do this for now until i sort out how i feel about the brigitte/tris wagons

VOTE: flubber
i have like no read on him and can't really remember much of anything he's said this game

maybe the nks turn back on when we lynch scum, idk

i have to at some point go back and look at the circumstances of the votes on the brigitte wagon but off the cuff if there's scum on there i'd guess it to be between: {reck/tris/succint}

kinda want to do this for now until i sort out how i feel about the brigitte/tris wagons

VOTE: flubber
i have like no read on him and can't really remember much of anything he's said this game

Skitters post to start the day feels a bit out of place too for some reason

Mmmmmmm I kind of thought that too, mostly re: "wowie where's the NK?", but I dont know that scum says this because I'd assume they'd be particularly aware that theres no NK coming up if night phases arent happening yet.

And I dont like that she votes flubber after positing scum in reck/tris/succinct

Do you see something else here or have I covered your thoughts more or less?

the entire post just feels... weird

it's setup spec

followed by saying that there may be scum in half the lynch wagon

then instead of sorting them, uses her vote to try to sort somebody else...?

like those are thoughts that make sense but the way they're ordered and written feels a lot more like she didn't have a whole lot to say but felt compelled to put more down on the page

it doesn't fit the context of what her thought processes have looked like to me

the lack of night reminded me that at some point that it had occurred to me that maybe the nks will turn on after scum flips but i never wrote that anywhere so i just put it there. also i'm low-key wondering if the game has more than the usual number of scum

(ie the ambiguous wincon and lack of nk's are reminding me quite a bit of jingle's game from a couple months back)

to figure out exactly where scum is on the wagon, i need to go back and look at how/when the wagon formed, but i haven't had a chance to do that yet, and don't think i will for another couple of days. off the top of my head / from what i remember without going back to check, those three votes were worse than the other three votes, and those are the ones i'm going to pay especial attention to whenever i do get the chance to check how that wagon formed.

and my vote was dangling for far too much of day1 so until i figure out if i want to vote on the wagon i wanted to put it *somewhere* and i keep forgetting flubber exists so i decided to start there today

basically what i'm saying is that i need to relook at the brigitte wagon before i firm up my opinion on the votes on that wagon, but since that isn't going to happen for a couple of days, i want to do something with my vote so i decided in the meanwhile to start tackling another part of the game that i also need to work on.

i have no idea what 'it doesn't fit the context of what her thought processes have looked like to me' means so i can't address that , really

[Nimueh]

A quiet day aboard the

Anuket Topaz

.

The crew members were concerned about the Captain. Lately, she had been acting strangely: never eating with the rest of them, being curt in conversation, and patrolling around the ship with a flashlight late at night. Nobody was actually sure that she ever went to bed.


July 5th.

The Captain ordered the crew to cut the engines and let the ship drift. No explanation was given – she made the order and retreated to her quarters, alone.


July 6th.

The crew mmebers had had enough. The strange behavior was enough on its own, but they needed an explanation for cutting the engines. Everyone had a job to do – their cargo had to be delivered on time. Nobody had seen the Captain come out of her quarters since the previous day, and so together they stormed their way in.

northsidegal,

Captain of the Anuket Topaz

, was found dead Night 0.

They were over 200 miles off of the coast of South Africa, just near the border of Namibia. It was obvious that this wasn't the act of pirates, and from the state of the body there was no way it could be an accident or suicide.

The implication was clear, and went without saying as the crewmen looked between each other with equal parts disbelief and suspicion.

Deciding to take action, someone stepped past the body over to the loudspeaker system.

Listen up! Nobody's getting a wink of sleep until we get this situation figured out and under control!

Day 1 begins.

Until further notice, there will be no night phases.

Next time Elbirn, before you intentionally or unintentionally try to lose the game for town, please read the goddamned setup. Kthanx.

[Nimueh]

Reck should not be cleared tomorrow

I don't feel like nim is scum but that comment stuck out like a sore thumb to me

If nsg is captain, then it makes sense that we would all be crewman, 10 town and 3 goon.

[Nimueh]

A quiet day aboard the

Anuket Topaz

.

The crew members were concerned about the Captain

. Lately, she had been acting strangely: never eating with the rest of them, being curt in conversation, and patrolling around the ship with a flashlight late at night. Nobody was actually sure that she ever went to bed.


July 5th.

The Captain ordered the crew

to cut the engines and let the ship drift. No explanation was given – she made the order and retreated to her quarters, alone.


July 6th.

The crew mmebers had had enough

. The strange behavior was enough on its own, but they needed an explanation for cutting the engines. Everyone had a job to do – their cargo had to be delivered on time.

Nobody had seen the Captain come out of her quarters since the previous day, and so together they stormed their way in

.

northsidegal,

Captain of the Anuket Topaz

, was found dead Night 0.

They were over 200 miles off of the coast of South Africa, just near the border of Namibia. It was obvious that this wasn't the act of pirates, and from the state of the body there was no way it could be an accident or suicide.

The implication was clear, and went without saying as the crewmen looked between each other with equal parts disbelief and suspicion.

Deciding to take action, someone stepped past the body over to the loudspeaker system.

Listen up! Nobody's getting a wink of sleep until we get this situation figured out and under control!

Day 1 begins.

Until further notice, there will be no night phases.

Next time Elbirn, before you intentionally or unintentionally try to lose the game for town, please read the goddamned setup. Kthanx.

[Nimueh]

Who besides Nimueh was/is townreading creature?

idk what 'reck should not be cleared tomorrow' means

If the game doesn't end, recks towncred vanishes for me

What do you mean?

Creature obvtown cuz I say so

Okay, Elbirn probably just bad town who never bothered reading the setup.

[Nimueh]

Ok, I thought it was more than one person. So, I will still trust that.

Elbirn makes it 4: me, Succinct, Chara, Elbirn. However, you check my ISO if you think I’m lying about anything.

[Nimueh]

Oh wait wtf I didnt want that

I went back to see what about Brigitte flip was so compelling and there wasnt one

Pedit: ARGGGHHH WALLS OF NONSENSE

brigitte was being bad and anti-town adn was purposefully riling up reck - iirc that's where the impetus for that wagon came from
and then iirc it stuck around for a while and she was getting close to being deadline lynched and then succinct said they liked the brigitte wagon more than the tris wagon and voted for brigitte and then brigitte got pissed off and self-hammered

I should have been more clear, lemme try again.

Nim had a post after her scumslip where she said her reason for thinking the game was mountainous was Brigitte flip and her own role PM. But Brigitte didnt flip with anything, no role card, just "brigitte, crewman, lynched day 1". So that was BS.

So while I decided against posting that end of day votecount because I didnt care to, yeah I was looking at that earlier and so accidentally multiquoted it into my next post. Apologies for causing a page of confusion

Pedit: Tris this post can be in reply to you as well

Oh you mean the “scumslip” based on pg 1 of the setup or something else?

[Nimueh]

maybe the nks turn back on when we lynch scum, idk

i have to at some point go back and look at the circumstances of the votes on the brigitte wagon but off the cuff if there's scum on there i'd guess it to be between: {reck/tris/succint}

kinda want to do this for now until i sort out how i feel about the brigitte/tris wagons

VOTE: flubber
i have like no read on him and can't really remember much of anything he's said this game

maybe the nks turn back on when we lynch scum, idk

i have to at some point go back and look at the circumstances of the votes on the brigitte wagon but off the cuff if there's scum on there i'd guess it to be between: {reck/tris/succint}

kinda want to do this for now until i sort out how i feel about the brigitte/tris wagons

VOTE: flubber
i have like no read on him and can't really remember much of anything he's said this game

Skitters post to start the day feels a bit out of place too for some reason

Mmmmmmm I kind of thought that too, mostly re: "wowie where's the NK?", but I dont know that scum says this because I'd assume they'd be particularly aware that theres no NK coming up if night phases arent happening yet.

And I dont like that she votes flubber after positing scum in reck/tris/succinct

Do you see something else here or have I covered your thoughts more or less?

the entire post just feels... weird

it's setup spec

followed by saying that there may be scum in half the lynch wagon

then instead of sorting them, uses her vote to try to sort somebody else...?

like those are thoughts that make sense but the way they're ordered and written feels a lot more like she didn't have a whole lot to say but felt compelled to put more down on the page

it doesn't fit the context of what her thought processes have looked like to me

the lack of night reminded me that at some point that it had occurred to me that maybe the nks will turn on after scum flips but i never wrote that anywhere so i just put it there. also i'm low-key wondering if the game has more than the usual number of scum

(ie the ambiguous wincon and lack of nk's are reminding me quite a bit of jingle's game from a couple months back)

to figure out exactly where scum is on the wagon, i need to go back and look at how/when the wagon formed, but i haven't had a chance to do that yet, and don't think i will for another couple of days. off the top of my head / from what i remember without going back to check, those three votes were worse than the other three votes, and those are the ones i'm going to pay especial attention to whenever i do get the chance to check how that wagon formed.

and my vote was dangling for far too much of day1 so until i figure out if i want to vote on the wagon i wanted to put it *somewhere* and i keep forgetting flubber exists so i decided to start there today

basically what i'm saying is that i need to relook at the brigitte wagon before i firm up my opinion on the votes on that wagon, but since that isn't going to happen for a couple of days, i want to do something with my vote so i decided in the meanwhile to start tackling another part of the game that i also need to work on.

i have no idea what 'it doesn't fit the context of what her thought processes have looked like to me' means so i can't address that , really

Actually 2294 is kind of weird.

[Nimueh]

maybe the nks turn back on when we lynch scum, idk

i have to at some point go back and look at the circumstances of the votes on the brigitte wagon but off the cuff if there's scum on there i'd guess it to be between: {reck/tris/succint}

kinda want to do this for now until i sort out how i feel about the brigitte/tris wagons

VOTE: flubber
i have like no read on him and can't really remember much of anything he's said this game

Skitter, you keep saying you weren’t aware of the setup, despite Townsquare, so how do you account for this then?

[Nimueh]

3150 was made at 12:50 pm.

So NMSA actually voted for Xtoxm twice but since the second vote was post-hammerUNVOTE: , it wouldn’t get counted, approximately 7 hours before Xtoxm self-hammered.

So, Reck can probably only be scum with Elbirn and Skitter probably only with NMSA, so gun to head, I think scum is Flubber/NMSA/Skitter.

I think NMSA “hammered” because he knew his vote wouldn’t be counted post-hammer and that no one would notice but thankfully Tris caught that.

So rn, I want to vote for one of them I think.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: NMSA

all of this went right over my head

He voted at 12:50pm and Xtoxm around 8? I think so about 7 hours before and then he voted again after Xtoxm self-hammered.

[Nimueh]

3150 was made at 12:50 pm.

So NMSA actually voted for Xtoxm twice but since the second vote was post-hammerUNVOTE: , it wouldn’t get counted, approximately 7 hours before Xtoxm self-hammered.

So, Reck can probably only be scum with Elbirn and Skitter probably only with NMSA, so gun to head, I think scum is Flubber/NMSA/Skitter.

I think NMSA “hammered” because he knew his vote wouldn’t be counted post-hammer and that no one would notice but thankfully Tris caught that.

So rn, I want to vote for one of them I think.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: NMSA

I still don't think NMSA is mafia because of D1.

Because he was at L-1?

[Nimueh]

skitter's town.
why did Nim think the setup was mountainous? it's a good question.

yeah idk that was weird
noting that it's cool again to be suspicious of nim

Oh wait wtf I didnt want that

I went back to see what about Brigitte flip was so compelling and there wasnt one

Pedit: ARGGGHHH WALLS OF NONSENSE

brigitte was being bad and anti-town adn was purposefully riling up reck - iirc that's where the impetus for that wagon came from
and then iirc it stuck around for a while and she was getting close to being deadline lynched and then succinct said they liked the brigitte wagon more than the tris wagon and voted for brigitte and then brigitte got pissed off and self-hammered

I should have been more clear, lemme try again.

Nim had a post after her scumslip where she said her reason for thinking the game was mountainous was Brigitte flip and her own role PM. But Brigitte didnt flip with anything, no role card, just "brigitte, crewman, lynched day 1". So that was BS.

So while I decided against posting that end of day votecount because I didnt care to, yeah I was looking at that earlier and so accidentally multiquoted it into my next post. Apologies for causing a page of confusion

Pedit: Tris this post can be in reply to you as well

No offense but exactly how dense are you being in this post? Crewman=vanilla Fucking duh!,

[Nimueh]

You know

Fuck it, I'll just deal with the heartbreak post-game

Elbirn - Nimueh - NMSA - Creature should have all the scum.

No, no no no no, no!

You were doing so well here. I am town, Creature is also town. Think! How does my assumption about this game being mountainous based on pg 1 of this game of the setup spec, ever make me scum here?

Have you all gone insane here? Serious question.

*mind blown*

God.

And Creature is obvtown.

Check my fucking ISO. I have never even once lockedtowed Creature and been wrong - not even once.

[Nimueh]

i mean a vt flip != mountainous

10 vanilla, 3 goons=mountainous, no?

[Nimueh]

You know

Fuck it, I'll just deal with the heartbreak post-game

Elbirn - Nimueh - NMSA - Creature should have all the scum.

So, we know Creature and me are locktown, so please explain how Elbirn and NMSA are partners here?

[Nimueh]

There are 3 Mafia and 10 Vanilla Townies.

yes, but the trick is that we weren't told that was the setup till here, which is decidedly not on pg1

It said nsg was the captain and everyone else was the crew. Crew=vanillas. So 13 vanillas=montainous. Are you trying to misrep me here?

[Nimueh]

A quiet day aboard the

Anuket Topaz

.

The crew members were concerned about the Captain

. Lately, she had been acting strangely: never eating with the rest of them, being curt in conversation, and patrolling around the ship with a flashlight late at night. Nobody was actually sure that she ever went to bed.


July 5th.

The Captain ordered the crew

to cut the engines and let the ship drift. No explanation was given – she made the order and retreated to her quarters, alone.


July 6th.

The crew mmebers had had enough

. The strange behavior was enough on its own, but they needed an explanation for cutting the engines. Everyone had a job to do – their cargo had to be delivered on time.

Nobody had seen the Captain come out of her quarters since the previous day, and so together they stormed their way in

.

northsidegal,

Captain of the Anuket Topaz

, was found dead Night 0.

They were over 200 miles off of the coast of South Africa, just near the border of Namibia. It was obvious that this wasn't the act of pirates, and from the state of the body there was no way it could be an accident or suicide.

The implication was clear, and went without saying as the crewmen looked between each other with equal parts disbelief and suspicion.

Deciding to take action, someone stepped past the body over to the loudspeaker system.

Listen up! Nobody's getting a wink of sleep until we get this situation figured out and under control!

Day 1 begins.

Until further notice, there will be no night phases.

Next time Elbirn, before you intentionally or unintentionally try to lose the game for town, please read the goddamned setup. Kthanx.

Am I the only one in this game who can figure out the obvious from this post? - because I’m seriously wondering. Seriously.

[Nimueh]

Read that post and tell me that doesn’t clearly spell out mountainous.

Tell me wtf else nsg captain and everyone else crew could else possibly mean.

[Nimueh]

it doesn't say anywhere that everyone else was crewman. calling a collective group of an unknown number of people 'crew' doesn't make them crewman in the mafia sense (ie vt). like i could imagine a ship-themed game where regular crewmen were vt and other people were a cook or carpenter or lieutenant or ensign or whatever else and be part of the collective group of 'crew' and have a special name/role as a pr and thus not be a crewman/vt

and determinign the setup is mountainous based ont he flavor is ?????? if it was meant to be read as 10:3 mountainous in the op it would have just said that i'm pretty sure


and seriously? this is why i don't like interacting with you. disagreeing with you != misrepping ffs

If you’re seriously sr me for this in particular, than I honestly DGAF. I don’t GAF if I offend ANYONE who srs me for this.

[Nimueh]

No, it doesnt spell out mountainous. Spelling it out would have been posting in the op: 'this game is 10:3 mountainous

It means it's flavor and if it was meant to describe the setup it would have been explictly stated somewhere in the op.

You're also changing your story wrt where you got the notion of 'mountainous' from - it was originally from your role pm and brigitte's flip

Pedit ffs i didnt say i was scumreafing you for this

My role pm/Brigitte and Xtomx flip AND the setup. What “story” are you suggesting I’m changing? It was already there on page fucking 1 of this game. If you’re trying to shade me, you need to do a lot better.

Actually I’d like to believe that but it seems that they’re must be something in the water that some people on this ship drank, because anyone who is batshit nuts to think this is a scumslip. must be drinking it.

Yeah and if I were Elbirn, I’d probably want to stay out of the dead thread. Maybe Ank too, if she is really falling for this.

[Nimueh]

idc

I feel like I'm the first NK for most scumteams here anyways so I'm just going to assume every day is my last

I think this setup is mountainous right? So no tprs in this game. If you are, it would likely mean that your reads are probably on the right track.

what makes you think the setup is mountainous

Brigitte flip and my role pm.

I have no knowledge of any PRs and Brigitte flip, made me think there are none. I guess if we ever flip a PR, it would mean I’m wrong in that case

.

Yes fine, I didn’t mention pg 1 but that’s because I stupidly assumed that everyone had already fucking read it and it would be redundant.

*Note to self*. In future games don’t overestimate anyone’s people’s abilities to form logical conclusions. And most importantly, don’t assume that anyone is immune from being a WOAT.

[Nimueh]

Hey you're doing that thing
We're playing a game. Theres nothing personal about this.

I see what you're saying about the setup; my issue with it is that I dont see that as being a conclusion I would have drawn, and that makes it hard for me to believe that it's a conclusion you came to. There are games that have flavor where the mod is a N0 kill and that have a vanilla town flipped and never have I gone "oh wow this must be mountainous". So that makes it hard for me to see what you're saying as being so obvious. Yaknow?

Yeah, that “thing” I d when I get sr for bs reasons, yeah kind of real fucking hard not to get tilted when people aren’t using their brains to maximum capacity.

If you’re town here and you want to mislynch and let another scum escape, that’s on your head bro. Now I’m assuming you don’t agree with Ank, since you concur with my obvtown Creature read, so I’m starting to think maybe I’m wrong on Skitter and that it could be Reck and NMSA afterall because it’s not me/Creature/Ank/Succinct due to hardtown Enter read - probably not Chara, Flubber put Tris at L-2 and if you and Skitter are both off the table than who else is left? Reck and NMSA, unless one or more of my reads are wrong.

I’m assuming you’re actually town and want to win this, so do you think I could possibly be right here?

[Nimueh]

Hey you're doing that thing
We're playing a game. Theres nothing personal about this.

I see what you're saying about the setup; my issue with it is that I dont see that as being a conclusion I would have drawn, and that makes it hard for me to believe that it's a conclusion you came to. There are games that have flavor where the mod is a N0 kill and that have a vanilla town flipped and never have I gone "oh wow this must be mountainous". So that makes it hard for me to see what you're saying as being so obvious. Yaknow?

So, you think I’m scum because I came to fypov a different logical conclusion that you did and in some alternate universe, that somehow constitutes a “scumslip”.

Answer carefully, you may want the frame this post-game.

[Nimueh]

Hey you're doing that thing
We're playing a game. Theres nothing personal about this.

I see what you're saying about the setup; my issue with it is that I dont see that as being a conclusion I would have drawn, and that makes it hard for me to believe that it's a conclusion you came to. There are games that have flavor where the mod is a N0 kill and that have a vanilla town flipped and never have I gone "oh wow this must be mountainous". So that makes it hard for me to see what you're saying as being so obvious. Yaknow?

Why is it hard? Not to anyone who gives it more than five minutes thought. I’m sorry, I’d be more generous and say 15 but this whacked theory just doesn’t warrant it. So, you’re just going to have to come up with a way better reason to mislynch me, if that’s what you truly want.

[Nimueh]

What if her partner is elbirn?

Flubber is a chick?

[Nimueh]

This is frustrating. I can't think clearly about the game with all this noise. Goodnight.

Sorry but I’m not scum here and I will not be mislynched, without trying to defend myself. I’m sorry if I made too many posts about that. :/

I just go eat my dinner and I come back to that. It kind of threw me for a loop because I don’t even understand how making obvious logical inferences from the setup spec pg 1, makes me scum here.

[Nimueh]

idc

I feel like I'm the first NK for most scumteams here anyways so I'm just going to assume every day is my last

I think this setup is mountainous right? So no tprs in this game. If you are, it would likely mean that your reads are probably on the right track.

Oh good Nim scum slipped. We can just vote this and win yes?

Hmmm along with the weirdly fast flip on me, my sr on Nim might be coming back... would flubber/reck/nim make sense?

No.

[Nimueh]

You know

Fuck it, I'll just deal with the heartbreak post-game

Elbirn - Nimueh - NMSA - Creature should have all the scum.

add reck and take me out and I'm with you 100%. Also I think Elbirn is right here, and it goes with my current gut read so VOTE: Nimueh

You voted Xtoxm 7 hours before he self-hammered approximately, then you fake hammered him. I changed my vote because I incorrectly thought you stayed on Flubber until that time and it cleared you.

And why is Creature scum, other than sheer bs opportunism on your part?

[Nimueh]

idc

I feel like I'm the first NK for most scumteams here anyways so I'm just going to assume every day is my last

I think this setup is mountainous right? So no tprs in this game. If you are, it would likely mean that your reads are probably on the right track.

Yeah, I thought it was, because Mod was the captain and sample role pm, was a crewman, just like Brigitte and Xtoxm flip.

And same as my own as well.

What, and you can't imagine "First Mate" as flavor? bs

Did you read that post? Did you see any “first mate” mentioned anywhere? No, all you saw was nsg Captain and crewmates. Nice WIFOM though.

[Nimueh]

No, it doesnt spell out mountainous. Spelling it out would have been posting in the op: 'this game is 10:3 mountainous

It means it's flavor and if it was meant to describe the setup it would have been explictly stated somewhere in the op.

You're also

changing your story

wrt where you got the notion of 'mountainous' from - it was originally from your role pm and brigitte's flip

Pedit ffs i didnt say i was scumreafing you for this

emphasis mine

LaL, NMSA is scum

FIFY and you’re weocome.

[Nimueh]

Hey you're doing that thing
We're playing a game. Theres nothing personal about this.

I see what you're saying about the setup; my issue with it is that I dont see that as being a conclusion I would have drawn, and that makes it hard for me to believe that it's a conclusion you came to. There are games that have flavor where the mod is a N0 kill and that have a vanilla town flipped and never have I gone "oh wow this must be mountainous". So that makes it hard for me to see what you're saying as being so obvious. Yaknow?

So, you think I’m scum because I came to fypov a different logical conclusion that you did and in some alternate universe, that somehow constitutes a “scumslip”.

Answer carefully, you may want the frame this post-game.

He'll only have to if he's town. There's only one way for Nim to know for certain someone is town.

I know I’m town. I trust my obvtown Creature read and I definitely agree with Chara that Ank would never bus here. I also have a hardtown read on Enter, so that translates to Succinct also being town.. I already did a readslist numerous times and your vote on me is a straight up OMGUS which I find really ironic, coming from you.

Still trying to figure out your partner though but if everyone is pushing Reck, including players lowest on my list, I have to seriously wonder if scum is pushing him too.

[Nimueh]

This is frustrating. I can't think clearly about the game with all this noise. Goodnight.

Sorry but I’m not scum here and I will not be mislynched, without trying to defend myself. I’m sorry if I made too many posts about that. :/

I just go eat my dinner and I come back to that. It kind of threw me for a loop because I don’t even understand how making obvious logical inferences from the setup spec pg 1, makes me scum here.

not obvious, see the first mate idea I had, it would still have been valid after the brig flip

Brigitte flipped crewman, like my role pm, like in the setup spec on the fiirst page of this game, so what’s your point exactly?

[Nimueh]

NMSA’s vote on me and sr feel totally fake. If someone posted that nim employed commas in a scum-indicative way, I think he’d be all over that too.

[Nimueh]

3150 was made at 12:50 pm.

So NMSA actually voted for Xtoxm twice but since the second vote was post-hammerUNVOTE: , it wouldn’t get counted, approximately 7 hours before Xtoxm self-hammered.

So, Reck can probably only be scum with Elbirn and Skitter probably only with NMSA, so gun to head, I think scum is Flubber/NMSA/Skitter.

I think NMSA “hammered” because he knew his vote wouldn’t be counted post-hammer and that no one would notice but thankfully Tris caught that.

So rn, I want to vote for one of them I think.

UNVOTE:

At that point I was just careless and it didn't occur to me that I might have accidentally hammered, much less that the hammer had already happened.

VOTE: NMSA

Meant for that stuff to go outside the quote, my bad.

But you already voted Xtoxm approximately 7 hours before that. Tris proved that.

[Nimueh]

idc

I feel like I'm the first NK for most scumteams here anyways so I'm just going to assume every day is my last

I think this setup is mountainous right? So no tprs in this game. If you are, it would likely mean that your reads are probably on the right track.

Oh good Nim scum slipped. We can just vote this and win yes?

Hmmm along with the weirdly fast flip on me, my sr on Nim might be coming back... would flubber/reck/nim make sense?

No.

Can you explain what you think about reck at least?

I don’t tr him but doesn’t it make you at all suspicious that no one is defending him? But his behaviour wrt to Flubber is very suspicious, so I dunno.

[Nimueh]

You know

Fuck it, I'll just deal with the heartbreak post-game

Elbirn - Nimueh - NMSA - Creature should have all the scum.

add reck and take me out and I'm with you 100%. Also I think Elbirn is right here, and it goes with my current gut read so VOTE: Nimueh

You voted Xtoxm 7 hours before he self-hammered approximately, then you fake hammered him. I changed my vote because I incorrectly thought you stayed on Flubber until that time and it cleared you.

And why is Creature scum, other than sheer bs opportunism on your part?

because I can't read Creature at all from meta obviously, and I have a slight gut scumread from tone+activity

Well I have a lot of meta with him and he also townlocked Brigitte. Maybe you’re not scum here.

UNVOTE:

[Nimueh]

idc

I feel like I'm the first NK for most scumteams here anyways so I'm just going to assume every day is my last

I think this setup is mountainous right? So no tprs in this game. If you are, it would likely mean that your reads are probably on the right track.

Yeah, I thought it was, because Mod was the captain and sample role pm, was a crewman, just like Brigitte and Xtoxm flip.

And same as my own as well.

What, and you can't imagine "First Mate" as flavor? bs

Did you read that post? Did you see any “first mate” mentioned anywhere? No, all you saw was nsg Captain and crewmates. Nice WIFOM though.

Is a first mate not part of the crew? Funny, I almost make the mistake of thinking "crewmen" applied to everyone on the crew, including the Secret Agents we know exist.

I guess I should have thought of that but I didn’t think beyond Brigitte flip, my role pm and that nsg post.

I actually think it might be Elbirn. I don’t like how he made such a big deal about that post and never even thought about reconsidering his read on me and then he accuses me of making it “personal”, which was clearly bs.

VOTE: Elbirn

His posts with Flubber weirdly chummy but then who his his partner? Who makes sense with Flubber/Elbirn scum, do you think?

[Nimueh]

idc

I feel like I'm the first NK for most scumteams here anyways so I'm just going to assume every day is my last

I think this setup is mountainous right? So no tprs in this game. If you are, it would likely mean that your reads are probably on the right track.

Yeah, I thought it was, because Mod was the captain and sample role pm, was a crewman, just like Brigitte and Xtoxm flip.

And same as my own as well.

What, and you can't imagine "First Mate" as flavor? bs

Did you read that post? Did you see any “first mate” mentioned anywhere? No, all you saw was nsg Captain and crewmates. Nice WIFOM though.

Is a first mate not part of the crew? Funny, I almost make the mistake of thinking "crewmen" applied to everyone on the crew, including the Secret Agents we know exist.

I guess I should have thought of that but I didn’t think beyond Brigitte flip, my role pm and that nsg post.

I actually think it might be Elbirn. I don’t like how he made such a big deal about that post and never even thought about reconsidering his read on me and then he accuses me of making it “personal”, which was clearly bs.

VOTE: Elbirn

His posts with Flubber weirdly chummy but then who his his partner? Who makes sense with Flubber/Elbirn scum, do you think?

Maybe Reck or someone I’m just wrongly tr?

Yeah Elbirn probably at least one scum. I feel pretty good about that vote actually. I think Skitter is finally starting to read me. Never Creature/Ank and Succinct by virtue of hardtown Enter read, so I’m townlocking those three. But if we lynch Elbirn scum today, maybe we get some helpful associatives. Hopefully. All I know is if we mislynch, another scum might escape and we absolutely cannot let that happen, so it’s super critical that we correctly lynch today.

[Nimueh]

Votecount 2.4

Flubbernugget(5)

~ Creature(39), Succinct(14), NotMySpamAccount(11), skitter30(96), Ankamius(189)

Xtoxm(3)

~ Chara(65), Nimueh(164), xRECKONERx(18)

tris(2)

~ Elbirn(17), Xtoxm(21)

Chara(1)

~ Flubbernugget(37)


Not Voting (1): tris(14)

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch. The Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2019-03-19 23:56:59).

Mod Notes:

skitter30 is V/LA on weekends.
Nimueh is V/LA while sick.

Maybe Skitter was right afterall and I was just being a dumbass. Maybe both scum really are offwagon.

[Nimueh]

Votecount 2.4

Flubbernugget(5)

~ Creature(39), Succinct(14), NotMySpamAccount(11), skitter30(96), Ankamius(189)

Xtoxm(3)

~ Chara(65), Nimueh(164), xRECKONERx(18)

tris(2)

~ Elbirn(17), Xtoxm(21)

Chara(1)

~ Flubbernugget(37)


Not Voting (1): tris(14)

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch. The Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2019-03-19 23:56:59).

Mod Notes:

skitter30 is V/LA on weekends.
Nimueh is V/LA while sick.

Maybe Skitter was right afterall and I was just being a dumbass. Maybe both scum really are offwagon.

Yeah NMSA is town. There’s absolutely no reason for him to have engaged me here as scum. Maybe, I got badly tunnelled by Skitter issues with me and wrongly sr her for it? Yeah, I think so.

So Elbirn and someone else. I will find who his partner is if it kills me. I will solve this game and be the GOAT.

[Nimueh]

Votecount 2.5

Flubbernugget(5)

~ Creature(47), Succinct(15), NotMySpamAccount(25), skitter30(110), tris(16)

Xtoxm(2)

~ Chara(66), Nimueh(172)

tris(2)

~ xRECKONERx(25), Elbirn(32)

Chara(1)

~ Flubbernugget(43)

Ankamius(1)

~ Xtoxm(29)


Not Voting (1): Ankamius(219)

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch. The Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2019-03-19 23:56:59).

Mod Notes:

skitter30 is V/LA on weekends.
Nimueh is V/LA while sick.

Scumteam has to be Elbirn/Reck. I think it’s Flubber/Elbirn/Reck and I’ve solved the game. If I’m right, I want bragging rights.

I really need to stop doubting myself. I am not terrible at this game. It just took me awhile - okay, a very long while but I eventually got there. \o/

[Nimueh]

I actually think it might be Elbirn. I don’t like how he made such a big deal about that post and never even thought about reconsidering his read on me and then he accuses me of making it “personal”, which was clearly bs.

VOTE: Elbirn

No yeah you do because everytime anyone stink eyes in your direction you act like a tremendous shitter about it and it makes you impossible to play with. I'm just going to vote park you until one of us is dead, you killed my joy, well done

Spoiler:

[Nimueh]

You were literally locktown until you scumslipped
And then I did in fact reconsider my read
I am sorting you
You're just scum.

This is scum. That’s why I switched my vote. Scum!Elbirn is hardpushing this bs narrative. How did I go from locktown to scum, because you can’t read?

Why are you the only one who is completely ignoring what I said. You are confibiasing sr on me on something entirely NIA. I believed it was mountanous att and I don’t think town is that stupid that they are buying this read. If you really ever had me at locktown, then this read smacks of convenient opportunitism. Why did I unvote NMSA then? His vote is still on me, in case you’ve forgotten?

Oh yeah, because he’s probably town.

[Nimueh]

You were literally locktown until you scumslipped
And then I did in fact reconsider my read
I am sorting you
You're just scum.

Please lynch this. No way in hell does this kind of post ever come from town.

Just tell us who’s your partner? Is it Reck or someone else?

[Nimueh]

Votecount 2.5

Flubbernugget(5)

~ Creature(47), Succinct(15), NotMySpamAccount(25), skitter30(110), tris(16)

Xtoxm(2)

~ Chara(66), Nimueh(172)

tris(2)

~ xRECKONERx(25), Elbirn(32)

Chara(1)

~ Flubbernugget(43)

Ankamius(1)

~ Xtoxm(29)


Not Voting (1): Ankamius(219)

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch. The Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2019-03-19 23:56:59).

Mod Notes:

skitter30 is V/LA on weekends.
Nimueh is V/LA while sick.

Scumteam has to be Elbirn/Reck. I think it’s Flubber/Elbirn/Reck and I’ve solved the game. If I’m right, I want bragging rights.

I really need to stop doubting myself. I am not terrible at this game. It just took me awhile - okay, a very long while but I eventually got there. \o/

Congrats on being the second person to think of this.

Sorry, who was the first then? I probably missed it.

[Nimueh]

You were literally locktown until you scumslipped
And then I did in fact reconsider my read
I am sorting you
You're just scum.

Please lynch this. No way in hell does this kind of post ever come from town.

Just tell us who’s your partner? Is it Reck or someone else?

I disagree, someone annoyed by your posting style could be town and post this if they believed the scumslip, which isn't as crazy as you seem to think.

He claims he had me at “locktown” though. I don’t recall he ever said that prior to voting me anyway but no, I don’t believe this read. I don’t believe that someone who ever had me at locktown and it’s debatable that this is even true, would completely throw that out, unless it was something that could never possibly be viewed as NIA.

That there was no way, a comment could be explained by anything other than an actual scumslip. Since, I’ve alteady explained why I thought that the game was mountainous, I don’t believe anyone who actually ever locktowned me, would throw that out but let’s for argument’s sake, say he’s just bad town here, then who are Flubber’s partners?

Who am I reading wrong? Unless my reads are wrong and they could be but I really doubt it, who is left? Do you think there’s a deep wolf in this game, we are missing then? I just tr everyone else more than those two. I believe Ank’s solve has to be wrong, since I know I’m town and I already explained why Creature is never scum here and I’m now tr you, so that would mean that Ank only got one right with Elbirn, so even if we go with her solve, she is wrongly tr at least one player. I think unless there’s a deep wolf, it has to be Elbirn/Reck, because it’s never me or Creature and I don’t think it’s you, so who am I wrongly tr then?

[Nimueh]

Spoiler:

okay, good points on NMSA.

Flubbernugget: I don't like much about the slot other than the name, but I'm willing to buy that he's sick and that it's preventing him from playing much. Null.

This is a really gross null read that hand waves having to provide real content on Flub by leaning on out of game stuff.

flubbernugget, not sure, I could see either, more involved interaction will help the read

Another fence sit on Flub later on.

Also of note is that the original NMSA wagon is the only time that all three of them aren't voting different people or unvoted entirely

Based on how scattered all the votes were in general even when there was a concentrated push on 1-2 slots, and considering they all never voted together even at the end of the day 1 wagons, that's indicative to me that there's something here

I believe tris is town and the wagon was mostly town lead (barring skitter, I think the unvote was a mistake if she was scum here)
Succinct wouldn't be scum with this
Neither would Chara
Nor xRECKONERx
Elbirn is probtown

Flubbernugget/Xtoxm/Nimueh > skitter30 > NMSA > Creature

This is roughly where I'm at

I like this, not sure why though

Now Flubber's in the town pile? Conveniently parroting Ank? Makes sense with NMSAscum/Anktown

I've completely lost my will to win this game, it died after the D1 lynch, and now it feels like diving into a pool of molasses just reading the thread. I'm perfectly willing to sheep Ank or skitter or someone if it will just get this game to the end or at least to a point where the game is moving fast than 2 posts a day. If Ank is scum taking advantage to lead town astray, then screw it the scumteam deserves the win because I just don't care enough anymore. VOTE: Flubber, I hope it's not L-1 or a hammer cause I'm sure not checking.

I'm not sure about this. Knowing the Flubber flip it kinda changes how I felt about it at the time. Would NMSA really come in and post an effortless post like this just to bus a scumbuddy?

VOTE: Flubber L-1

wait no VOTE: xtoxm

i think flub is town

Why?

And then questioning my townread on Flubber... someone NMSA agreed was town earlier... after saying he was null?

There's no read progression on Flubber and it's really weird to me. Null, null, now suddenly I agree with Ank that Flubber is town despite giving no reasons... then show up, vote him out of nowhere, and question why Reck is townreading him?

@NMSA: Can you talk me through your read progression on Flub?

Sure. As you guys can probably tell by my crappy play and join date, I'm new and bad at reading people, so I usually start off games with very few strong reads unless someone has been really scummy. I had no clue on flubber for a while because he had barely posted because he was sick. I had a positive gut reaction to Ank's post, and I was fine agreeing since I still had nothing on Flubber at that point. My flubber vote (which would have confirmed five town had he actually been lynched) came at a time when I hated the level of activity and just wanted the game to start moving or end. When you flipped your vote from flubber (who ended up flipping scum, incidentally) to xtoxm (who ended up flipping town, incidentally), I thought it looked odd enough to ask you why. Your response was extremely useful and explanatory, and not at all a passive-aggressive way of avoiding it.

VOTE: Flubber L-1

wait no VOTE: xtoxm

i think flub is town

Why?

ive explained this already im not going to do your work for you

What a nice, effective, pro-town way of answering my question. I can't remember if I did this already, so VOTE: reck.

Okay maybe we can just lynch nmsa

Said Elbirn, without voting. By all means, lynch me, but get reck tomorrow. (scum!me could say this, hoping you guys wouldn't follow up, gaining towncred. that would give reck some towncred as well I think, but not much. given the risk of town actually lynching me, scum!me wouldn't like the odds, and probably wouldn't say it. this would be wifom if I were scum, but it's something to think about nonetheless.)

These two posts? @NMSA?

Alright then if we’re both right, then you get to be GOAT for realizing this first.

Well, Flubber kept pushing for your wagon, so both Elbirn and Reck did as well. I still think town!Elbirn would question if it was an actual “scumslip” he caught, even a little. I will ISO him, because I don’t recall him ever calling me locktown at any point in the game.

Reck had that weird post about Ank and me, having to be of different alignments, so of course he now has me at the bottom. because he has never bothered to reasses.

[Nimueh]

Is this the pirate game

I'm here for the pirate game.




Ahoy

Not a pirate game. We are aboard a freighter not pirate ship.
If you are a pirate please take what you want and leave. We want no trouble.

Sorry Brigitte but I'm just a living meme and shitposter. I was actually really disappointed upon actually reading the OP and seeing it declared that pirates are explicitly not a thing.

Also, I'm pretty sure my entry into this thread was on like..Page 36, we're not on page 42. And I've only read up to page 5. So we're currently generating content faster than I can even read it and I kinda worry I've gotten myself into a too active game but we'll make this relationship work everyone

But if I'm going to be useful at all I'm going to really need to just...Interact with new content as it happens and read old shit when I can so please help I'm drowning

After 5 pages I've determined all of Skitter/

Reck

/Enter as town. Briggitte/URAP2 interactions were kinda spammy fun but I'm not certain I see it as AI, but with that being said I think it'd be a weird intro for them to be scum together, which may be useful later on to keep in mind

Uh that's about it so far

Has anyone here, heatd about rule of the three before? If we did hypothetically flip Reck and he flipped red, than this post would prove that to be the case here. Or vice-versa.

[Nimueh]

I’m townlocking Creature, Ank and Chara. Thanks Elbirn. <3

I think theres a minimum of two town there so good job Nim you're doing great

i really don't think Flubber/Elbirn/Xtoxm is ever a team here.

I think his recent posts are actually the scummiest of the three.

The sudden over the top aggression, just basically coming out of nowhere. Unless Elbirn is an alt, I’m sure I’ve never played with him before.

I'm not an alt, and I have like confidence level 1000 that we've played a game before where you were on your main. I'm not about to out it but I could PM you post game if you care.

Anyway, a flub/xtoxm/me team is wrong + your scumread on me because I called you abusive is..really not the best but uhm I would like to take a moment to apologize to you, actually, because I think I was out of line. So uh. I'm sorry.

With that being said, yeah, I do believe that you're very reactionary and you scumread dissent and people you perceive as "against" you, and that wont help you find scum.

I'm fine writing you off as town for the time being but should we wind up in a scenario where I think you might be mafia can we just...be cool? We can just have back and forth discussions and not flame war arguments. I'm here 2 b chill

I don't really say this enough in games

Whenever I feel like I have a confident solve in a game and enough scum properly pegged to be able to push town into a win, I'm always much more afraid of getting NKed and town being thrown off track without me there than of getting my scumreads lynched

I don't want to get these lynches because I forced people to sheep me with no other choice

I want town to be set up to be able to get them without me there at all

And having someone who can hold a lot of influence over the rest of the town fall prey to a paranoic mindset as a solve is being put into effect is one of the single worst scenarios I can think of

I want to avoid that scenario much more than I want either of these lynches

Being paranoid of the NK in a so far nightless game is...something?

I'll go more into why people should be okay with a Flubber lynch later today

Absolute worst case for anybody, it's an information gold mine

This is the post where he sort of tr me but it’s a really weak read, nothing remotely close to locktowning me. In fact, it almost reads as a possible setup fot later. Like why would you ask someone it they’d be cool with ving sr? I think that’s really weird.

When you do, can you reiterate why you think Flub is scum? I dont lynch people for information, I lynch people because I think they're scum. I get I'm the shitty lurker who hasn't been doing his homework and is begging to be spoonfed but if you want my vote I need you to know that I cant work with "lynch X, itll be informative"

[Nimueh]

You were literally locktown until you scumslipped

And then I did in fact reconsider my read
I am sorting you
You're just scum.

3010

I'm fine writing you off as town for the time being but should we wind up in a scenario where I think you might be mafia can we just...be cool? We can just have back and forth discussions and not flame war arguments. I'm here 2 b chill ~Elbirn

I just caught you in a lie. This is the only post you gave me anything close to a tr is this post and it was nowhere close to anything resembling obvtown. Why do you ask me if I’m cool with being sr? That reads not like the “locktown” read you’re falsely claiming but like you were already setting me up for a mislynch back in 3010. So why did you lie about the “townlock” read?

[Nimueh]

it's another fake hammer

ill tell you hwhat

here's a real one

VOTE: NSMA

I said it D1 and I’ll say it again now. I never liked this post.

[Nimueh]

nim is kinda reading townier to me now.

still pref brig but would be happy to go tris

id just like a fucking flip at this point tbh

Hmmm . . . Reck is hard to parse. Elbirn is still the better vote today I think but I dunno because I’m still at everyone townier than Elbirn/Reck. *sigh*

[Nimueh]

THIS is saying that my strongest tool for scumhunting is not going to be useful here.

I know it's your strongest tool.
It's usually one of mine.
But given the setup, unfortunately, it's what I think; lacking a mastermind, scum were going to show high self-preservation, masking interactions with scumbuddies.

1. NMSA thinks that sheeping me throughout d2 is his best odds at surviving, even far enough to be willing to bus Flubber and conftown all but FOUR towns in the process.

This applies to

all

Flubber voters; voting him risked conftowning all but four town. Do you think every Flubber voter was town? I don't.

2. Elbirn thinks that tearing down my case at the core is his best odds at surviving, and most likely decided that the time he posted his rebuttal to me was the time to do it.

Which are you more weary of: someone opposing you, or someone sheeping you? Experience says the latter; Elbirn could know that. I wouldn't expect that knowledge from NMSA, or for it to be shared.

My head is hurting that I can’t figure this out but Elbirn is currently my strongest sr. That post, where he is setting me up to be sr later is pretty much a scum claim now, that I caught him in a lie. Since scum can’t do a full bus here. we know scum won’t be staying on their buddies until past midwagon.

[Nimueh]

I am realizing I have zero read on Nimueh and that ISO is intimidating to even start to jump into.

NMSA is a mixed bag for me, but the wild random vote on Flubber is sticking out to me as a reason to show hesitance on a scumread.
Chara is town.
Succinct is town.

Something keeps bugging me about Ank. I don't know what it is. Every logical bone in my body says she should be town but I keep getting premonition flashes of "this is the mastermind that pulled this whole thing off" and it eats away at me. I think Ank's continued reprisal of "omg this is so outside my scum range" is what's really bugging me. I hate self meta, especially when it is repeated over and over as a way to clear yourself as town.

I read skitter as town earlier. That has kinda faded. Esp since skitter's biggest read on Flubber was "gut-town" which is a very comfortable place to put a scumbuddy in your reads list. Flubber "moved" between null and back up to town. That sticks out as weird early movement for me. skitter calling out the resistance to the wagon yesterday has me thinking townier, and then the "i forgot flubber was in the game and would vote him" comment looks town too. I dunno, there's an outside chance skitter is playing a masterful scum game but those two comments seem natural enough to me.

Also just to defend myself: Flubber did the EXACT same thing to me that I did to him (voted, then turned around and said "wait no" and quickly unvoted). That is just so bizarre to me that people could read those interactions as SvS. It's just wild to me. He went out of his way to avoid me after that, I think because I was the loudest person calling him town, so why not just ride the idiot townie who is screaming to the game how town you are?

anyway, my overall reads list probably looks something like this, gun to my head

TOWN
Succinct
Chara
---gap---
tris
skitter
Ank
---gap---
NotMySpamAccount
Creature
---gap---
Elbirn
Nimueh
SCUM

elbirn/nim are kinda there by virtue of me having no read on them yet and having like at least some reason to argue everyone else on that list could be town (which is better than 0 reasons)

Now here’s the thing, hypothetically, scum!Reck could presumably both push my mislynch and have scum!Elbirn escape. That’s the critical thing people need to remember about this setup. Scum can still distance their buddies, they just can’t either do a full bus/risk them getting bussed. So, scum can have their partner low on their list but not right at the bottom, because of the whole escape thing. Everything changed D3 wrt to how we normally view SvS interactions. We can’t forget how this mechanic totally changes that.

[Nimueh]

VOTE: Flubber L-1

wait no VOTE: xtoxm

i think flub is town

These posts were literally seconds apart.

[Nimueh]

add reck and take me out and I'm with you 100%. Also I think Elbirn is right here, and it goes with my current gut read so VOTE: Nimueh

The opportunism's unreal, here.
When people suspected Reck, he voted Reck.
When people chased after a "scumslip", he votes Nimueh. In spite of what he said earlier

that page

:

I see only two general possibilities. Scumteam is flubber/reck/(Elbirn or an inactive), or it's flubber/Ank/irrelevant cause the IC claim was planned and Ank really is the mastermind we haven't been looking for and this post was distancing to help conftown Ank and town has no chance. Obviously the second is a long shot, but it's possible. Discuss.

I admit I could be wrong on Elbirn, but I'm

not

wrong on NMSA.

Well, I was surprised he hasn’t unvoted me yet but I don’t buy that town!Elbirn lies about townlocking me and then digs his heels in about something so obviously NAI, especially now. that I’ve explained it ad nauseum.

I dunno, I’m not confident on Reck scum, so \_0_/

But I’m really gald you posted. I thought I might be losing my mind that anyone was seriously sr me for logically inferencing that NAI post.

Here’s the thing, scum is setting up one of their teammates to escape tonight and I think it’s ideal if we lynch whichever one that is first. But no freaking way Elbirn ever flips town here. Lynch all Liars and I’ve already proven he lied about townlocking me, when the obvious scummy reality, is that he was planting the seeds for a mislynch later on.

Doubting NMSA again, could I actually have been pocketed?

[Nimueh]

i thought NMSA was clear because he almost hammered flub

is that not the case anymore

i really thought i had the brainpower for this tonight. gonna go eat enchiladas instead. ill check back in after a few margaritas and pray to whatever god is out there that someone besides nim is posting

Hi, you’re obviously not caught up. No, Tris caught that post. The reality is that NMSA had originally switched from Flubber to Xtoxm, approximately 7 hours earlier.

But after Xtoxm had already self-hammered, he then fake hammered after that, so he essentially voted Xtoxm twice but it obviously wasn’t counted. I too townlocked him for this but it was not the case that he only jumped off of Flubber after Xtoxm self-hammer.

[Nimueh]

i thought NMSA was clear because he almost hammered flub

is that not the case anymore

i really thought i had the brainpower for this tonight. gonna go eat enchiladas instead. ill check back in after a few margaritas and pray to whatever god is out there that someone besides nim is posting

Spoiler:

I'm gonna goahead and agree with Ank that town cohesion is done for. I'm crazy suspicious of the flubber claim, but I'm willing to lynch xtoxm just to see. VOTE: xtoxm If we can't get a lynch within irl today or tomorrow there's no way town has a chance bc we'll never agree enough on anything.

I'm moving to Xtoxm if it gains another vote.

Ok. It's a lynch I like anyway. VOTE: xtoxm

Okay, whatever

VOTE: Xtoxm

oh ok

VOTE: xtoxm

crap did I just hammer without claim?

Oh wait, Tris is right here. NMSA isn’t cleared by this then.

3150 was made at 12:50 pm.

So, he voted twice for Xtoxm, once at 12:50 pm and the second was the faux hammer.

[Nimueh]

i thought NMSA was clear because he almost hammered flub

is that not the case anymore

i really thought i had the brainpower for this tonight. gonna go eat enchiladas instead. ill check back in after a few margaritas and pray to whatever god is out there that someone besides nim is posting

Btw, I think you’re town for this. I think scum!you would have already likely known that this had been proven to be false.

[Nimueh]

I still think NMSA is town because of Day 1.

You were literally locktown until you scumslipped
And then I did in fact reconsider my read
I am sorting you
You're just scum.

Please lynch this. No way in hell does this kind of post ever come from town.

Just tell us who’s your partner? Is it Reck or someone else?

elbirn's town

Unless you both think scum has two deep wolves, at least one of you has to be wrong here.

[Nimueh]

Who besides Nimueh was/is townreading creature?

I am.
It'd be lying to say townread's same strength, but experience tells me

not

to let paranoia dictate my read there, to trust my townread.

i don't see it

Creature townlocked Brigitte and you may be unfamiliar with his meta but I have played numerous games with both town and scum!Creature and his play here, is totally out of his scumrange. He was also on Flubber early.

Creature/Ank/Succinct, I feel confident are all town.

[Nimueh]

You were literally locktown until you scumslipped
And then I did in fact reconsider my read
I am sorting you
You're just scum.

Please lynch this. No way in hell does this kind of post ever come from town.

Just tell us who’s your partner? Is it Reck or someone else?

elbirn's town

You were literally locktown until you scumslipped

And then I did in fact reconsider my read
I am sorting you
You're just scum.

3010

I'm fine writing you off as town for the time being but should we wind up in a scenario where I think you might be mafia can we just...be cool? We can just have back and forth discussions and not flame war arguments. I'm here 2 b chill ~Elbirn

I just caught you in a lie. This is the only post you gave me anything close to a tr is this post and it was nowhere close to anything resembling obvtown. Why do you ask me if I’m cool with being sr? That reads not like the “locktown” read you’re falsely claiming but like you were already setting me up for a mislynch back in 3010. So why did you lie about the “townlock” read?

[Nimueh]

Ankamius has requested replacement.

Votecount soon. Sorry, the votecounter seems to have run into some issue.

[Nimueh]

Just realized. We ought to be careful about putting someone at L-1. If they're town, and there is mafia off-wagon, they could quickhammer and then leave the following night.

Town post

contrasted with:

No time to read, [/b]@mod v/la till Monday

if one of reck/nim/elbirn isn't dead when I come back, someone has explaining to do

Why are you in such a hurry? We are nowhere near deadline and the #1 widely read obvtownread, just replaced into this game.

[Nimueh]

Just realized. We ought to be careful about putting someone at L-1. If they're town, and there is mafia off-wagon, they could quickhammer and then leave the following night.

this is kinda townie

Which is why, Skitter is also town.

Town doesn’t want to rush this lynch

.

[Nimueh]

No time to read, [/b]@mod v/la till Monday

if one of reck/nim/elbirn isn't dead when I come back, someone has explaining to do

I know I’m town and this post is screaming, Reck mislynch.

[Nimueh]

You know

Fuck it, I'll just deal with the heartbreak post-game

Elbirn - Nimueh - NMSA - Creature should have all the scum.

add reck and take me out and I'm with you 100%. Also I think Elbirn is right here, and it goes with my current gut read so VOTE: Nimueh

At least 1 and probably 2 of reck/elbirn/nim are scum. lynch one today, we win, or one leaves tonight, and we determine if the last is scum or not. that's how we win this.

leaning towards scum!reck, so I'd lynch there today

. also, people going on about my fakehammer, I didn't even realize I had already voted, that's how low my motivation to care was

But his vote is still on me. He wants Reck flipped but is voting me, so he can get towncred when Reck probably flips town.

Elbirn probably escapes.

And my mislynch follows.

NMSA escapes and scum wins.

What do I win?

[Nimueh]

I'm staying away from this nim wagon thing with a 10 foot pole

I'm already compromised enough without that adding to it

[Nimueh]

How is NMSA still alive over Brigitte and Xtoxm who were miles townier?

Okay, I'm 100% current.

Here we go:

tohru

Reckoner
Chara
Nimueh

tris
Creature
skitter30

-
NMSA
Succint
Elbirn

VOTE: Elbirn

fwiw, i think nim is town. i just can't with the spamposting and hyperantics

Scum!Reck never makes this post. What are the odds that the only two people voting me and one pushing Reck are my two current strongest scumreads?

NMSA isn’t very happy with Ank replace in.

[Nimueh]

Correction: Creature is actually probably town.

Scumreads don't change.

@Nimueh, @Chara, @Reckoner, would really appreciate more votes on Succinct please.

I think you guys want this game to end way more than I do, so let's cooperate. I really do not want to make this hard, considering what you guys have been through so far.

I hardtown read Enter, who was Succinct’s predecessor, so I don’t think he’s scum.

add reck and take me out and I'm with you 100%. Also I think Elbirn is right here, and it goes with my current gut read so VOTE: Nimueh

The opportunism's unreal, here.
When people suspected Reck, he voted Reck.
When people chased after a "scumslip", he votes Nimueh. In spite of what he said earlier

that page

:

I see only two general possibilities. Scumteam is flubber/reck/(Elbirn or an inactive), or it's flubber/Ank/irrelevant cause the IC claim was planned and Ank really is the mastermind we haven't been looking for and this post was distancing to help conftown Ank and town has no chance. Obviously the second is a long shot, but it's possible. Discuss.

I admit I could be wrong on Elbirn, but I'm

not

wrong on NMSA.

I feel that this post exudes townie conviction.

[Nimueh]

Maybe you could, I dunno, give a single reason why anyone should vote Succinct?

I hate alts.

Sure. Apart from his abysmally low postcount, post quality, and thereby remarkably poor contribution to the game, I also have not been able to find a single reason to townread him in a 150-pager. Looking at his ISO, it's scummily-barren, he isn't trying to gamesolve or have the conviction that town would. I did think Elbirn was scummy, however, after re-examining and eliminating my biases, I conclude that Succinct is more likely to be scum.

If I could bet right now, I'd be betting a good amount of money on Succinct to flip scum.



Oh, and, please do take that negativity out of here. We've already had enough players replace out of this game as it is.

What about Enter, his predecessor? Did his ISO seem scummy to you?

[Nimueh]

Elbirn
Succint
Chara
NotMySpamAccount
tris

It's 5p LyLo, two of you are scum, the rest of us are treestumps. If you lynch someone wrong, you lose (not in practice, but let's do like this).

Yeah, so all three of my candidates are on this list. I'm not sure which one I'd think has the best chances, but if I had to choose now, I'd go with Elbirn. Never NMSA who I think is town.

Why is NMSA town? You keep mentioning D1 but he wanted to rush the day and sheep Elbirn, who he has in his POE. At any rate, Elbirn flat out lied about ever townlocking me. The closest he came to that was giving me a conditional tr and asking me to be cool if he sr me later. The fact, that he is completely unwilling to reassess his read on me, doesn’t read townie to me.

[Nimueh]

hi friends, this game is so bloated that giving meaningful content requires more sleep and more time than i currently have.
but i'm around if anyone wants to chat.

tris is completely out of my lynchpool at this point. along with skitter, Tohru, and Creature.
NMSA also has good reasons to be town (that i've actually looked at)

really curious about the Reck townreads here.

Why? Why is NMSA town?

And I should also be out of your lynchpool, based on what you posted earlier.

Why does scum!Reck tr me at this point? I’m being pushed. He didn’t give a weak Nim can live for one more day bs type of read but a clear tr on me. Since so many are also pushing him, how does this help him to acheive a scum wincon?

[Nimueh]

at this stage i'm less interested in what feels town (for example,

Elbirn feels very town to me

but i'm not comfortable locktowning him) and more interested in what makes sense as a partner with Flubber.
i also have posts from Reck that felt town but i'm not convinced he actually is.
Succint, i need to see if they were orchestrating a bus or not. should remember to do that when i have more time.

My tr on Chara is deteriorating.

[Nimueh]

I should maybe compile a list posts that have felt town from reck.

I don’t like the Reck pushes, they scream mislynchbait to me. Chara is weirding me out again. Is she the tr, I read incorrectly?

[Nimueh]

can live for one more day bs type of read

Learned a new term to use in mafia games

Intelligence increased
Happiness increased

You’ve never heard that sort of thing before? “X can be town/live for today”?

[Nimueh]

It logged Reckoner's vote as tris. My bad. Sorry. I fixed it

Also just wanted to clarify that I'm not the mod I dont' think I'm the mod I'm not trying to be the mod, I'm literally copy pasting out of the scrubber

Votecount 1.1

NotMySpamAccount(6)

~ tictac(13), Flubbernugget(28), u r a person 2(145), Enter(133), tris(65), xRECKONERx(68)

Ankamius(2)

~ skitter30(91), Brigitte(82)

skitter30(1)

~ Chara(35)

Nimueh(1)

~ Ankamius(98)

Enter(1)

~ NotMySpamAccount(25)

Brigitte(1)

~ Lady Angel(3)


Not Voting (1): Nimueh(4)

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2019-03-08 00:58:59)

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Okay, I think I understand why NMSA is probably town, uberscummy town but Flubber doesn’t put his buddy in jeapardy like this. Stong tr on Tris.

[Nimueh]

...

ok.

so just to summarize

enter: *does a really scummy thing by changing his mind on a read out of nowhere*
people: *vote enter for doing the scummy thing*
enter: but aha you see it is i who is a genius because i

meant

to be scummy

cool okay hey everyone you can ignore the last six pages this is everything right here ^^^

"Ouch I got played and now I look dumb pls vote for this guy so I don't feel as bad for voting for lynchbait"

Wow. I'm cranky, sorry about that. I'm gonna go eat bekfast, see you in a bit

is this early game distancing between Reck and Enter or am i too far gone down the rabbit hole?
there's probably no way to actually tell and i'm jumping at nothing because it might fit with what i think the team is.

I believe that Reck is clearly and undoubtedly town-aligned, and I will be upset to see any more mentions or suggestions for him to be lynched.

Sure, his reads may not be the best; in fact, I'm struggling to convince him of my own reads currently, but I really strongly believe that Reck is town in this game.

I would really appreciate it if you helped me with the Succinct push.

Town!Chara is not usually as flipfloppy as this. I’m starting to wonder if she could possibly be the deep wolf to Elbirn, who is still my strongest sr. NMSA is still objectively scummy by play but VCA spews him as godawful town. I’m not convinced on Succinct scum. Gun to head, I think scum is hardpushing Reck or me for mislynches. Chara’s posting today, should definitely concern you, it does me. Town!Chara is anything if consistent. She keeps wafffling on her read on me. Watch, Chara will suddenly find reasons to tr me but for no clear reason will conveniently evaporate until the next time I push her.

[Nimueh]

I think last scum is skitter30. No longer interested in NMSA or Elbirn.

Explain.

[Nimueh]

@mod, if game doesn’t end today, does scum get an NK, in addition to the escape?

[Nimueh]

...

ok.

so just to summarize

enter: *does a really scummy thing by changing his mind on a read out of nowhere*
people: *vote enter for doing the scummy thing*
enter: but aha you see it is i who is a genius because i

meant

to be scummy

cool okay hey everyone you can ignore the last six pages this is everything right here ^^^

"Ouch I got played and now I look dumb pls vote for this guy so I don't feel as bad for voting for lynchbait"

Wow. I'm cranky, sorry about that. I'm gonna go eat bekfast, see you in a bit

is this early game distancing between Reck and Enter or am i too far gone down the rabbit hole?
there's probably no way to actually tell and i'm jumping at nothing because it might fit with what i think the team is.

I believe that Reck is clearly and undoubtedly town-aligned, and I will be upset to see any more mentions or suggestions for him to be lynched.

Sure, his reads may not be the best; in fact, I'm struggling to convince him of my own reads currently, but I really strongly believe that Reck is town in this game.

I would really appreciate it if you helped me with the Succinct push.

Town!Chara is not usually as flipfloppy as this. I’m starting to wonder if she could possibly be the deep wolf to Elbirn, who is still my strongest sr. NMSA is still objectively scummy by play but VCA spews him as godawful town. I’m not convinced on Succinct scum. Gun to head, I think scum is hardpushing Reck or me for mislynches. Chara’s posting today, should definitely concern you, it does me. Town!Chara is anything if consistent. She keeps wafffling on her read on me. Watch, Chara will suddenly find reasons to tr me but for no clear reason will conveniently evaporate until the next time I push her.

I'm not going to let Chara lynch you. I'm not going to let Chara lynch Reck.

I am going to need you to help me on Succinct scum. Townreading Enter is not a correct way to conclude on a Enter/Succinctslot read, because in a replacement situation you should always aim to read the easier and more transparent slot, not the one which is better at scum.

I have meta on Enter and that’s a big part of why I tr him here. At worst, Succinct is a null. I’m not rushing this lynch.

I think we need to follow the reads/votes. Scum literally can’t bus in this setup, so I think we’ll have a pretty clear idea who the remaining scum are, once they vote. I am becoming increasingly suspicious of Chara, because of the bolded. Too many people are pinging me rn and I want to wait for more info. I think it’s best not to rush this.

[Nimueh]

I need you to trust me on this.

Help me help you get on the same page. For starters, are you convinced and trust that my efforts are currently town-aligned and are strongly working towards town interests?

I trust you’re locktown and all of your posts have a strong pro-town agenda but your also asking me to go against my current read on that slot. If Succinct makes suspicious reads/votes, I’ll definitely reconsider but I’m not seeing it rn. Not when other slots are pinging me more. I am open to changing my mind on Succinct but like I said, I still tr that slot and at worst, it’s a null but that could change.

We still have time and I want to get as much info as possible first

.

[Nimueh]

my vote is staying parked on brigitte like until she's dead k bye

"I refuse to engage with a player unless she is already prematurely frustrated and emotional, and making further attempts later on is out of the question. I will now sit on her wagon until she is dead. Do not bother engaging with me further."

@Tohru, don’t you think this post is townie?

[Nimueh]

I need you to trust me on this.

Help me help you get on the same page. For starters, are you convinced and trust that my efforts are currently town-aligned and are strongly working towards town interests?

I trust you’re locktown and all of your posts have a strong pro-town agenda but your also asking me to go against my current read on that slot. If Succinct makes suspicious reads/votes, I’ll definitely reconsider but I’m not seeing it rn. Not when other slots are pinging me more. I am open to changing my mind on Succinct but like I said, I still tr that slot and at worst, it’s a null but that could change.

We still have time and I want to get as much info as possible first

.

Thank you.

Look, a lot of town players have had rather wrong reads as a collective in this game, which has led to a grand total of

zero

scum lynches so far during the course of a month. I'm not blaming anyone here, this is a team game, but this emphasizes the fact that all the more you guys have to work together and be open to new perspectives.

I've written a mini-essay already to Reck regarding my Succinct read, and it's disappointing that I've been unable to convince you as well. Perhaps I need to be more persuasive? I'm trying my best.

I'm very concerned, because both yourself, Reck, and it appears Chara and tris as well do not seem very open to the idea of a Succinct lynch at all, even when my town-alignment is undoubted and uncontested. This makes me extremely worried for the sake of the game. The activity levels upon the time I have replaced in has also been very low.

I'm not going to sit down and rest on my laurels because "we have time". I've dedicated quite a lot of time to reading this novel of a game and I strongly believe that the path to winning the game is a shoe-in with giant neon letters. I'm definitely not going to twiddle my thumbs and watch you guys drive down the cliff.

What does your alignment have to do with anything? As I said, you’re bleeding locktown but how does that translate to you’re being right? And I also don’t see what harm, obtaining more information does? We’re nowhere close to EoD3, are we?

[Nimueh]

@mod, how much time intil EoD 3?

[Nimueh]

Town!Chara is not usually as flipfloppy as this. I’m starting to wonder if she could possibly be the deep wolf to Elbirn, who is still my strongest sr. NMSA is still objectively scummy by play but VCA spews him as godawful town. I’m not convinced on Succinct scum. Gun to head, I think scum is hardpushing Reck or me for mislynches. Chara’s posting today, should definitely concern you, it does me. Town!Chara is anything if consistent. She keeps wafffling on her read on me. Watch, Chara will suddenly find reasons to tr me but for no clear reason will conveniently evaporate until the next time I push her.

when is "town Chara consistent"?
i'm extremely waffly as town. i don't know who you are but being consistent is not even close to being a good description of my meta.

I’ve played quite a few games with you and “waffley” has never been a word I’d use to describe your townplay. You haven’t been “waffley” in a single game I’ve played with you and you were town in all of them.

[Nimueh]

i'm getting really tired of Nim "becoming suspicious" literally every time i

suggest

something counter to her reads. i don't think you're scum Nim. i think Reck could be scum. deal with it.

You keep waffling on my slot, unless I push back and how are you ignoring Reck’s unequivocal tr on me? Considering both of us are being pushed, how does him tr me further his scum agenda, because I’m not seeing it?

You don’t think I’m scum but I’m not out of your lynchpool either. I know you tr Creature and no way does Creature townlock me, if I’m scum here. So, I’m sorry if my suspicions are making you “tired” but that does nothing to affect that one way or another.

Why does that surprise you at all anyway? I in general, tend to tr people who mindmeld with me on reads, so why does the opposite making me suspicious, not make sense to you?

Unless, I already read someone as locktown independent of their reads and I can’t in your case. I did prior to Flubber flip but have been less impressed with your Flubber post-flip posts.

[Nimueh]

if i really think you're right on him being town, i'll vote Succinct.
tris and NMSA are town for other reasons, tris moreso, and skitter and Ank are town. Creature really is and Nim's patterns still fit what i think is town.
scum Reck not wanting to go after Nim here is a good point but i feel he would have other options (it seems like NMSA eternally gets votes) so i'm uncomfortable locktowning him based on that alone.

Okay, I’m liking this post more. But you need to see it from mpov which you’re obviously not. Considering that I’m being currently voted by at least one horrible town and another slot I sr, can you seriously not understand why you being even remotely hedgey on me, doesn’t completely reassure me?

Because if you do, you would clearly see why your frustration at me, is obviously misplaced. Yes Tris is also hedgey on me but I have other reasons to think she’s town here.

[Nimueh]

Spoiler:

I need you to trust me on this.

Help me help you get on the same page. For starters, are you convinced and trust that my efforts are currently town-aligned and are strongly working towards town interests?

I trust you’re locktown and all of your posts have a strong pro-town agenda but your also asking me to go against my current read on that slot. If Succinct makes suspicious reads/votes, I’ll definitely reconsider but I’m not seeing it rn. Not when other slots are pinging me more. I am open to changing my mind on Succinct but like I said, I still tr that slot and at worst, it’s a null but that could change.

We still have time and I want to get as much info as possible first

.

Thank you.

Look, a lot of town players have had rather wrong reads as a collective in this game, which has led to a grand total of

zero

scum lynches so far during the course of a month. I'm not blaming anyone here, this is a team game, but this emphasizes the fact that all the more you guys have to work together and be open to new perspectives.

I've written a mini-essay already to Reck regarding my Succinct read, and it's disappointing that I've been unable to convince you as well. Perhaps I need to be more persuasive? I'm trying my best.

I'm very concerned, because both yourself, Reck, and it appears Chara and tris as well do not seem very open to the idea of a Succinct lynch at all, even when my town-alignment is undoubted and uncontested. This makes me extremely worried for the sake of the game. The activity levels upon the time I have replaced in has also been very low.

I'm not going to sit down and rest on my laurels because "we have time". I've dedicated quite a lot of time to reading this novel of a game and I strongly believe that the path to winning the game is a shoe-in with giant neon letters. I'm definitely not going to twiddle my thumbs and watch you guys drive down the cliff.

What does your alignment have to do with anything? As I said, you’re bleeding locktown but how does that translate to you’re being right? And I also don’t see what harm, obtaining more information does? We’re nowhere close to EoD3, are we?

Okay, there are two fundamental issues:

A player who is bleeding locktown: You can fully trust that everything that they do, they do it for the best interests of the town, in their opinion.
A player who is townish but with some doubts: You can consider their reads and pushes, but you're wary of anything out of the ordinary that may work against town's win condition
A player who is of questionable alignment: You probably don't trust anything they have to say, anything they do can be interpreted as scummy and harmful to town.

---

A player of the top tier would be infinitely more trustworthy, and thus, more reasonable to listen to, or follow, than one from the bottom tier. That doesn't linearly translate into the correctness of that player's reads; you need to make a valued judgment based on their logic, their train of thought, and their perspective. But, if their reasoning makes sense, and logic is sound, I don't see why you couldn't be more open to a different perspective that they hold even if their conclusion is different, or disagrees with an opinion that you currently have. After all, you know, and do trust, that they are working in your best interests. In other words, your mom (sorry, I'm making an assumption here) is always working in your best interests, even though they may not be correct in everything, but it pays to listen to what she has to say with a deep thinking ear.


Next is about "waiting for more information". The game is close to 4000 posts and 160 pages. We are already at information saturation. People are already rather inactive and lax as it is regarding this game's posting. Being lazy and procrastinating is always a recipe for disaster. Hard work pays off. Come on, we can change the state of the game. I'm struggling here. I really need your help to join me.

You keep putting the argument that your degree of towniness correlates with your being right. You’re practically IC levels of towniness, so of course I don’t doubt everything you’re doing is 100% with a blatantly pro-town agenda. So, please, this is completely a non-issue here. Neither your alignment or motivation is at all in question. It’s clearly obvious, you are convinced on Succinct scum. I am not doubting that for a second.

Perhaps, if you quoted specific examples, that would help me see it?

Since you were right on other reads and are mindmelding with me for the most part otherwise, I am willing to seriously consider your argument but I need specific examples to see it. Can you help me with that?

[Nimueh]

if i really think you're right on him being town, i'll vote Succinct.
tris and NMSA are town for other reasons, tris moreso, and skitter and Ank are town. Creature really is and Nim's patterns still fit what i think is town.
scum Reck not wanting to go after Nim here is a good point but i feel he would have other options (it seems like NMSA eternally gets votes) so i'm uncomfortable locktowning him based on that alone.

Okay, I’m liking this post more. But you need to see it from mpov which you’re obviously not. Considering that I’m being currently voted by at least one horrible town and another slot I sr, can you seriously not understand why you being even remotely hedgey on me, doesn’t completely reassure me?

Because if you do, you would clearly see why your frustration at me, is obviously misplaced. Yes Tris is also hedgey on me but I have other reasons to think she’s town here.

Who's voting for you?

NSG hasn't posted a votecount since Day 3, I think.

Yes, she said the vote counter is broken or something?

Elbirn voted me for dumbass reasons and NMSA immediately jumped onboard. That’s the main reason why Chara’s defensiveness is irritating to me. I’m sure if she had two votes on her, she would not find her posts very reassuring if I made them. Why? Because it is my very strong current belief that scum is trying to set up Reck/me mislynches. Therefore anyone both pushing Reck and not townlocking me, who I can’t townlock for other reasons, can’t help pinging me.

[Nimueh]

Spoiler:

I need you to trust me on this.

Help me help you get on the same page. For starters, are you convinced and trust that my efforts are currently town-aligned and are strongly working towards town interests?

I trust you’re locktown and all of your posts have a strong pro-town agenda but your also asking me to go against my current read on that slot. If Succinct makes suspicious reads/votes, I’ll definitely reconsider but I’m not seeing it rn. Not when other slots are pinging me more. I am open to changing my mind on Succinct but like I said, I still tr that slot and at worst, it’s a null but that could change.

We still have time and I want to get as much info as possible first

.

Thank you.

Look, a lot of town players have had rather wrong reads as a collective in this game, which has led to a grand total of

zero

scum lynches so far during the course of a month. I'm not blaming anyone here, this is a team game, but this emphasizes the fact that all the more you guys have to work together and be open to new perspectives.

I've written a mini-essay already to Reck regarding my Succinct read, and it's disappointing that I've been unable to convince you as well. Perhaps I need to be more persuasive? I'm trying my best.

I'm very concerned, because both yourself, Reck, and it appears Chara and tris as well do not seem very open to the idea of a Succinct lynch at all, even when my town-alignment is undoubted and uncontested. This makes me extremely worried for the sake of the game. The activity levels upon the time I have replaced in has also been very low.

I'm not going to sit down and rest on my laurels because "we have time". I've dedicated quite a lot of time to reading this novel of a game and I strongly believe that the path to winning the game is a shoe-in with giant neon letters. I'm definitely not going to twiddle my thumbs and watch you guys drive down the cliff.

What does your alignment have to do with anything? As I said, you’re bleeding locktown but how does that translate to you’re being right? And I also don’t see what harm, obtaining more information does? We’re nowhere close to EoD3, are we?

Okay, there are two fundamental issues:

A player who is bleeding locktown: You can fully trust that everything that they do, they do it for the best interests of the town, in their opinion.
A player who is townish but with some doubts: You can consider their reads and pushes, but you're wary of anything out of the ordinary that may work against town's win condition
A player who is of questionable alignment: You probably don't trust anything they have to say, anything they do can be interpreted as scummy and harmful to town.

---

A player of the top tier would be infinitely more trustworthy, and thus, more reasonable to listen to, or follow, than one from the bottom tier. That doesn't linearly translate into the correctness of that player's reads; you need to make a valued judgment based on their logic, their train of thought, and their perspective. But, if their reasoning makes sense, and logic is sound, I don't see why you couldn't be more open to a different perspective that they hold even if their conclusion is different, or disagrees with an opinion that you currently have. After all, you know, and do trust, that they are working in your best interests. In other words, your mom (sorry, I'm making an assumption here) is always working in your best interests, even though they may not be correct in everything, but it pays to listen to what she has to say with a deep thinking ear.


Next is about "waiting for more information". The game is close to 4000 posts and 160 pages. We are already at information saturation. People are already rather inactive and lax as it is regarding this game's posting. Being lazy and procrastinating is always a recipe for disaster. Hard work pays off. Come on, we can change the state of the game. I'm struggling here. I really need your help to join me.

You keep putting the argument that your degree of towniness correlates with your being right. You’re practically IC levels of towniness, so of course I don’t doubt everything you’re doing is 100% with a blatantly pro-town agenda. So, please, this is completely a non-issue here. Neither your alignment or motivation is at all in question. It’s clearly obvious, you are convinced on Succinct scum. I am not doubting that for a second.

Perhaps, if you quoted specific examples, that would help me see it?

Since you were right on other reads and are mindmelding with me for the most part otherwise, I am willing to seriously consider your argument but I need specific examples to see it. Can you help me with that?

Thank you, sure. I will try my best.

I want you to pay attention to how fast Succinct abandons the Flubbernugget wagon immediately after the pressure on him disappears. I think Chara has pointed this out and it's rather recent. Could you relook at it?

I also want to highlight to you how Succinct (Enter as well) has had barely made any pushes or reads or made genuine attempts to solve the game.

It's difficult to show the lack of something. It's like saying, "there is a lack of evidence to prove that X Special Treatment helps to reduce hair loss". X Special Treatment is a sham. It doesn't reduce hair loss.

Can you please link/quote where this happens?

Enter did make pushes. He pushed me really hard for bad reasons but I tr his conviction in those pushes. However, it wouldn’t be the first time two players from the same slot had contrary reads on me. I was in a recent game where a scumslot put a really bad vote on me and then their replace in, put me as their #1 town.

[Nimueh]

Spoiler:

if i really think you're right on him being town, i'll vote Succinct.
tris and NMSA are town for other reasons, tris moreso, and skitter and Ank are town. Creature really is and Nim's patterns still fit what i think is town.
scum Reck not wanting to go after Nim here is a good point but i feel he would have other options (it seems like NMSA eternally gets votes) so i'm uncomfortable locktowning him based on that alone.

Okay, I’m liking this post more. But you need to see it from mpov which you’re obviously not. Considering that I’m being currently voted by at least one horrible town and another slot I sr, can you seriously not understand why you being even remotely hedgey on me, doesn’t completely reassure me?

Because if you do, you would clearly see why your frustration at me, is obviously misplaced. Yes Tris is also hedgey on me but I have other reasons to think she’s town here.

Who's voting for you?

NSG hasn't posted a votecount since Day 3, I think.

Yes, she said the vote counter is broken or something?

Elbirn voted me for dumbass reasons and NMSA immediately jumped onboard. That’s the main reason why Chara’s defensiveness is irritating to me. I’m sure if she had two votes on her, she would not find her posts very reassuring if I made them. Why? Because it is my very strong current belief that scum is trying to set up Reck/me mislynches. Therefore anyone both pushing Reck and not townlocking me, who I can’t townlock for other reasons, can’t help pinging me.

I am displeased with Elbirn and NMSA's manner of playing the game. But with a heavy heart I must announce that they can be town, and am therefore tasked with the insurmountable responsibility of trying to prove that to the rest of you.

I do wish they were lynched Day 1 and Day 2 instead of Brigitte and Xtoxm. Their play is definitely ?

Unfortunately I also have to rally to them to help me lynch Succinct. *sigh*

That would be an awesome mechanic. Yeah, let’s swap horrible NMSA and Elbirn and bring back Brigitte and Xtoxm. I’m all for it.

I still think Elbirn is scum and NMSA is only town due to clear anti-partner associatives. Elbirn lied. He claimed to townlocked me, when the closest he ever got to that, is you can be town for now but if I sr you, we be cool crap.

[Nimueh]

Can you please link/quote where this happens?

Enter did make pushes. He pushed me really hard for bad reasons but I tr his conviction in those pushes. However, it wouldn’t be the first time two players from the same slot had contrary reads on me. I was in a recent game where a scumslot put a really bad vote on me and then their replace in, put me as their #1 town.

Please pay very close attention to 3903. I think Chara might have explained it better than I can.

Alright, this is a damn good catch. He is far too certain of the claim being false and he should have tried to push for Flubber lynch, if he was that certain.

Okay, Chara probably town then. I still think Elbirn is scum though.

[Nimueh]

That would be an awesome mechanic. Yeah, let’s swap horrible NMSA and Elbirn and bring back Brigitte and Xtoxm. I’m all for it.

I still think Elbirn is scum and NMSA is only town due to clear anti-partner associatives. Elbirn lied. He claimed to townlocked me, when the closest he ever got to that, is you can be town for now but if I sr you, we be cool crap.

But here we are.

We must look forward. I don't fault your scumread on Elbirn, I myself was suspicious on him on my first readthrough, but he seems genuine. Which is why I really want to get your attention to Succinct, who is a lot more deserving of your scrutiny, but instead he is just riding on Enter's coattails.

I dunno, I think Chara’s AtE seems genuine, where as Elbirn’s is just posturing. The only thing that gives me possible pause about it, is would scum!Elbirn really be that nasty? Would he really employ character assassination as a method to mislynch me? I’ve witnessed scum do it, so meta reads would be most useful in that regard. Like I know for me, I wouldn’t do that as scum but I’ve seen it happen and been on the receiving end of it.

[Nimueh]

@mod, if game doesn’t end today, does scum get an NK, in addition to the escape?

Yes. This nightkill is mandatory.

So, scum must have known there would be NKs after D3.

[Nimueh]

Votecount 2.5

Flubbernugget(5)

~ Creature(47), Succinct(15), NotMySpamAccount(25), skitter30(110), tris(16)

Xtoxm(2)

~ Chara(66), Nimueh(172)

tris(2)

~ xRECKONERx(25), Elbirn(32)

Chara(1)

~ Flubbernugget(43)

Ankamius(1)

~ Xtoxm(29)


Not Voting (1): Ankamius(219)

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch. The Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2019-03-19 23:56:59).

Mod Notes:

skitter30 is V/LA on weekends.
Nimueh is V/LA while sick.

I am going to IC tomorrow

Flubber ICs 9 minutes after he’s at L-2.

[Nimueh]

1. Flying under the radar, and 2. Lack of gamesolving.

You'll never find me active, least of all not now. (Knowing my main'd help know why I'm particularly inactive now.) My gamesolving's in establishing townreads more than establishing scumreads, but I've done both.

I'm aided by people engaging me, but them not doing so's out of my control. If people don't interact with what I post, then I don't have anything to follow through on.

You're making me miss Ank, because she's one of the few who

would

engage me.
Question my reasons for NMSA, question my reasons for Elbirn, question my townreads.

^This post is also a pretty bad look.

What about it's wrong?
The only possible scum mastermind's me, and I

know

that's not right.
Knowing this, scum didn't have one.
Knowing they didn't have one, scum're going to play more as individuals.

The average individual scum player shows high levels of self-preservation, more interested in personal survival than survival of scumteam.
I think given this setup, that trait's amplified.

Voting Flubber risked five players becoming conftown. Flubber had ~7 different voters at different time. They aren't all town. As a result, scum at some point did cast a bus vote, and I think they did it for precisely the reason I outlined above:

an increased sense of self-preservation, leading to a decreased interest of survival of the scumteam.

Never NMSA who I think is town.

NMSA also has good reasons to be town (that i've actually looked at)

Remind me why.

I disagree with the bolded. In this setup, I think that’s reversed. In your typical game, scum can bus and still win. In this setup,

the ENTIRE scumteam must survive or they ALL lose

. Iow,

in THIS setup, self-preservation=ultimately protecting your team

.

No, this is faulty reasoning here, because

self-preservation=survival of the scumteam in THIS setup

.

[Nimueh]

How would you feel knowing the correct theoretical play's to let your scumread live, in spite of a bs claim?

I should also emphasize: how would you feel, as a person who prides themselves on theory, that the correct theoretical play's to let your largest scumread live, in spite of a bs claim?

I knew the correct theoretical play was letting him live.
And I was feeling defeated because of it.

I don’t understand this. Why is it the “correct theoretical play”?

I can understand you pushed a Flubber lynch and feeling “deflated” because no takers but the correct theoretical play, is always pushing your strongest sr, no matter what.

Anyway, one thing is kind of pinging me about the Elbirn scumreads, Tris and myself, are the only ones to actually vote there. Both you and NMSA have Elbirn in your POE but neither of you, are willing to vote him.

[Nimueh]

Succinct is only ever replying to people

Naturally, because

that's my playstyle

.
Especially as a replacement who didn't read content prior to replacing in.
All I

had

was replying to people to generate content.

For reference, I've three completed games; all as a replacement; in all, I'm bottom post-wise.

Replying's how I scumhunt.

that wasn't very succinct

He had very complex reads and was clearly solving in all of the games he linked. Like forgetting about Enter slot, Succinct was clearly obvtown in all three of these games. @Succinct, do you not have a scumgame anywhere?

[Nimueh]

Yes, she said the vote counter is broken or something?

Elbirn voted me for dumbass reasons and NMSA immediately jumped onboard. That’s the main reason why Chara’s defensiveness is irritating to me. I’m sure if she had two votes on her, she would not find her posts very reassuring if I made them. Why? Because it is my very strong current belief that scum is trying to set up Reck/me mislynches. Therefore anyone both pushing Reck and not townlocking me, who I can’t townlock for other reasons, can’t help pinging me.

That would be an awesome mechanic. Yeah, let’s swap horrible NMSA and Elbirn and bring back Brigitte and Xtoxm. I’m all for it.

I still think Elbirn is scum and NMSA is only town due to clear anti-partner associatives. Elbirn lied. He claimed to townlocked me, when the closest he ever got to that, is you can be town for now but if I sr you, we be cool crap.

I dunno, I think Chara’s AtE seems genuine, where as Elbirn’s is just posturing. The only thing that gives me possible pause about it, is would scum!Elbirn really be that nasty? Would he really employ character assassination as a method to mislynch me? I’ve witnessed scum do it, so meta reads would be most useful in that regard. Like I know for me, I wouldn’t do that as scum but I’ve seen it happen and been on the receiving end of it.

.....Okay.

1. I've told you that I have zero interest in interacting with you any further. Stop taking cheap swipes at me from the sideline, its openly toxic and miserable.

2. I never lied and you repeatedly stating that I did is horseshit. Stop it. You were town to me, even if I didnt verbally suck your dick about it in thread. I sincerely had you as town because you are capable of decent analysis, except for when anyone disagrees with or scumreads you in which case your ability for intelligent discourse vanishes. The fact that you put me from town to lockscum and your most confident scumread solely in reaction to me scumreading you is fucking absurd. And earlier when I implored you to just be fucking chill: that was a call for fucking

civility

instead of this toxic bullshit you pull. That you want to turn that into a bizarro world reason to push me is fucking insulting.

3. I'd tell you to point me to any character assassination I've done considering I was doing my best to be civil previously, but hey I guess now you can just point everyone to this post so fuck me I guess.

Yeah Frozen Angel, do not sign up for a game I'm in ever again, under any alt, idgaf, every time i play with you is the literal worst experience

Just fucking go away

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Succinct

You shouldn’t out accounts, especially when you’re wrong. I’ve never played with you before under ANY account. But thanks, I consider it a huge compliment to be compared to FA.

[Nimueh]

Nimueh is FA?

News to me.

*Somewhere Ank is laughing her ass off at this*

[Nimueh]

Spoiler:

that wasn't very succinct

When responding to lots of content, can only trim so much down.
Especially when responses involve extrapolating out existing thoughts. Statements're easily succinct, detailing how thoughts got from A to B aren't.

I disagree with the bolded. In this setup, I think that’s reversed. In your typical game, scum can bus and still win. In this setup,

the ENTIRE scumteam must survive or they ALL lose

. Iow,

in THIS setup, self-preservation=ultimately protecting your team

. No, this is faulty reasoning here, because

self-preservation=survival of the scumteam in THIS setup

.

Then do you think every Flubber voter was town?

I don’t understand this. Why is it the “correct theoretical play”? the correct theoretical play, is always pushing your strongest sr, no matter what.

Sorry, but no.
Correct theoretical play for a D3 IC claim's to let the IC claim live to D3. Chance of conftown > anything else. Correct theoretical play's

always

letting the IC claim live to prove it; that's why the obviously-BS claim was so defeating. I knew I couldn't do anything, because

I myself

knew the correct theory wasn't doing anything.

Both you and NMSA have Elbirn in your POE but neither of you, are willing to vote him.

Where did you get the impression I wasn't willing to vote Elbirn?
My NMSA scumread's stronger.
That doesn't make me unwilling to vote Elbirn, just more confident in NMSA.

yeah iirc at the end of day1 they had a fairly strong fairly mysterious scumread on flubber (like, way before it was popular) and like i asked about it but it never got explained

Pardon? Where'd you ask? I saw nothing of this sort until D2.

tbf that was *fairly* close to eod so there might not have been time to actually push flubber there

Correct. Half my reason for voting Brigitte was Brigitte > tris as a wagon, and both were the lead wagons.

but i don't remember the two of them interacting like *at all*

You'll also not remember me interacting with most players this game, because few have engaged me. Flubber's nothing special in that regard.

and there's like no mention of flubber in their iso before this besides for the like the afore-mentioned scumread which is meh

Has Succinct ever explained his Flubber scumread?

It's in

the very post you quoted

:

Like I remember he was in my scum pool but fucked if I know why anymore

Experience says odds're slot's scum.

Ank was talking about Flubber.
Someone who's in the scum pool yet you don't remember why is usually scum; doubly so when said someone's a player like Flubber.
If anyone had

asked

me about this at the time, I'd happily have said as much.

VOTE: succinct

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Succinct

Tohru:

It should send

massive

red flags to you that the

people you've partnered with me

are the ones voting me.

Your solve's wrong.

Fix it.
VOTE: Elbirn

Fwiw, I have a really hard time believing Enter’s interactions with me just prior to replacing out, come from scum. Would scum!Enter really replace out over frustration that he couldn’t “engage” me? Urap2, was convinced it was a tvt.

Anyway, No, I don’t consider every Flubber voter to be town. My point was that you’re reasoning wrt to self-preservation in this game vs. protecting the scumteam don’t apply in this game, because if even one scum fails to escape, it’s essentially game over.

I think VCA makes it less likely either you or NMSA are scum, because neither of you voted him, just prior to IC claim but were already on the wagon. I really wish I had a scumgame of yours to compare to the 3 towngames you linked. :/

I also once again consider Elbirn’s AtE to be fake. It just seems way too over the top, as compared with Enter’s for example. So, I disagree with Tohru that scum takes this kind of risk but I still maintain, with another 7 days, we don’t need to rush this vote. I am not wrong about the extreme value of possible information wrt assoiatives. We have absolutely nothing to risk by taking our time, to make sure we get it right.

[Nimueh]

I've agonized over this for a while, and usually I'm really against replacing out, but

I think it's just bad for me to try to play with a person that refuses to engage with me whatsoever

.

@mod please replace me

@Tohru

Do you think scum would do this?

[Nimueh]

UNVOTE:

For now.

I need associatives.

[Nimueh]

my issue with that post is huge:

tris is pushing xtoxm using the same reasoning she used to push brigitte
but brigitte flipped town
i would expect town to reevaluate their reads on a townflip
but i think tris shows here that she's just pushing people's names out there without any actual thought behind the push?

argh im trying so hard to get the words out of my head that im thinking

basically, tris is on autopilot pushing on one of the major wagons and using shitty reasoning to get on board that resulted in a town flip last time but it doesn't occur to tris that is bad because tris is scum therefore everyone else is the same alignment so why would she need to change up her push/reasons/etc

god that's so confusing. ill try to step away and rethink how i can communicate my reasoning better

VOTE: tris

I think I wasn't very clear in my post. The wifom thing wasn't a reason to vote xtoxm. It was something that was frustrating me. It was actually something that made me more wary of the wagon, but as I said, I've been having trouble finding somewhere else to vote.

Actually, VOTE: Flubbernugget

L-1

Votecount 2.5

Flubbernugget(5)

~ Creature(47), Succinct(15), NotMySpamAccount(25), skitter30(110), tris(16)

Xtoxm(2)

~ Chara(66), Nimueh(172)

tris(2)

~ xRECKONERx(25), Elbirn(32)

Chara(1)

~ Flubbernugget(43)

Ankamius(1)

~ Xtoxm(29)


Not Voting (1): Ankamius(219)

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch. The Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2019-03-19 23:56:59).

Mod Notes:

skitter30 is V/LA on weekends.
Nimueh is V/LA while sick.

I am going to IC tomorrow

Tris vote was at 6:47 pm. Flubber IC was at 10:46 pm.

That means that it’s unlikely anyone on that wagon prior to IC claim, is scum. In one minute less 4 hours, Flubber could have easily been hammered.

Sorry Tohru but do you really think scum puts Flubber at L-2 and Flubber waits a good 4 hours to IC claim? In a normal game, maybe but how does scum know, he couldn’t have been hammered in those 4 hours?

[Nimueh]

updated quick readslist

TOWN
tris
Chara
---gap---
Nimueh
Torhu
Succinct
skitter
---gap---
Creature
NotMySpamAccount
Elbirn
SCUM

There is no way, Creature is ever scum here.

[Nimueh]

God, VCA points to two of Elbirn, Reck, Chara. Chara was hardpushing Reck before switching to NMSA. Reck has Chara as his #2 townread.

Elbirn/Chara?

[Nimueh]

Votecount 2.5

Flubbernugget(5)

~ Creature(47), Succinct(15), NotMySpamAccount(25), skitter30(110), tris(16)

Xtoxm(2)

~ Chara(66), Nimueh(172)

tris(2)

~ xRECKONERx(25), Elbirn(32)

Chara(1)

~ Flubbernugget(43)

Ankamius(1)

~ Xtoxm(29)


Not Voting (1): Ankamius(219)

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch. The Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2019-03-19 23:56:59).

Mod Notes:

skitter30 is V/LA on weekends.
Nimueh is V/LA while sick.

Reck and Elbirn wouldn’t vote together on the same wagon, if they were linked. Flubber voting Chara. Possible distancing?

[Nimueh]

Initial reads from town to scum

Brigitte
Skitter

Reck/Enter

Nmsa

Scum is probably NOT on this list.

[Nimueh]

Urap, why is nmsa no longer your top scum read?

VOTE: reck

He's absolutely my top scum read. You'll note that when I voted Chara, I said that it doesn't change my read on nmsa.

We're going to lynch NMSA today.

That makes your hesitance to vote Enter very bizarre

[Nimueh]

Why do you object to my Nimueh push but you didn't object to the tictac votes? Nimueh is in the game thread posting scummy things and tictac isn't here at all and hasn't been for several days. How do you justify not being here most of the week with exemption from presure?

I literally...LITERALLY just said people need to stop sitting on wagons with no cases. Maybe if you stopped spam posting every chance you got and actually READ something once, there wouldn't be constant bouts of inactivity that are partially the work of an apathy you keep causing?

I give up. Just ignore me because you’re not listening to anything I’m saying and I’m not feeling well enough to keep banging my head against a brick wall.

Please do my my sanity's sake as well

I don’t think this is scum theater.

[Nimueh]

you're right Reck, it's pretty much the same thing with you and Elbirn. his had more of an impression on me at the time and i guess that's why i thought differently. and that outright defending Flubber is also not really what you were doing, which i why it made me suspicious to begin with.

pedit: i don't agree. there's no reason Flubber couldn't have put a buddy in there to even things out.

But almost 4 hours, sitting at L-2?

[Nimueh]

Chara's reads list makes a lot of the null-scum reads she's been getting make more sense

Something about skitter's approach to this game being nightless pinged me but that was from a morning skim and I don't really rsmber what it was but i still think theyre town

Votecount 1.14

tris(5)

~ skitter30(221), Brigitte(240), Elbirn(217), Creature(36), Flubbernugget(78)

Brigitte(4)

~ Ankamius(304), tris(119), xRECKONERx(124), Xtoxm(255)

skitter30(1)

~ Nimueh(192)

Nimueh(1)

~ NotMySpamAccount(79)

Elbirn(1)

~ Chara(137)

Ankamius(1)

~ Succinct(55)


Not Voting (0):

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch. The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2019-03-08 00:58:59).

Mod Notes:

skitter30 is V/LA on weekends.
Nimueh is V/LA while sick.

Around here-ish is when I feel the lynch was locked into tris/brigette. Maybe I'm wrong on tris, then.

This makes chara and succinct the main points of interest on the brigette wagon

[Nimueh]

elbirn's at l-2 {nimueh, tris, reck, succinct}
i don't really townread like any of those people
if this wagon happens and he flips town i'm going to be more than a little bit annoyed

(@reck if you're on the wrong wagon for a third day in a row .... that would be like stretching credulity at that point, no matter how bad you say your play is rn)

I unvoted. And I think Tris is mechanically obvtown.

[Nimueh]

okay i'll agree with that.
Enter's replace out and the leadup to it was really towny and i should just concentrate on that regardless of how i feel about Succinct. there are like four slots with bad interactions with Flubber at this point and they can't all be scum.

pedit: sitting at L-2 when and where? i'm not sure what you mean.

Prior to Flubber IC claim, Tris was the last vote and that was almost 4 hours before and put him at L-2. If Skitter can’t tell I’m obvtown yet, then I’m definitely not trusting her Elbirn read. And Tris’ most recent postings, how can Skitter still think she’s scum here?

[Nimueh]

you're right Reck, it's pretty much the same thing with you and Elbirn. his had more of an impression on me at the time and i guess that's why i thought differently. and that outright defending Flubber is also not really what you were doing, which i why it made me suspicious to begin with.

pedit: i don't agree. there's no reason Flubber couldn't have put a buddy in there to even things out.

But almost 4 hours, sitting at L-2?

oh, now i see.
meaning if Elbirn's town scum should just lynch him. but without another town vote, scum aren't in a position to quickhammer.

pedit: agree with tris town.

i don't know. i'm burnt out.

No, was referring to the Flubber wagon, pre-IC claim.

[Nimueh]

(@reck if you're on the wrong wagon for a third day in a row .... that would be like stretching credulity at that point, no matter how bad you say your play is rn)

this is wild

considering that ank/tris/me/chara were on both wrong wagons why are you only applying this "3 strikes you're out" scrutiny to me?

Votecount 2.Final

Xtoxm(7)

~ Chara(66), Nimueh(172), Flubbernugget(43), tris(16), NotMySpamAccount(25), Creature(47), Ankamius(219)

tris(3)

~ xRECKONERx(25), Elbirn(32), skitter30(110)

Ankamius(1)

~ Xtoxm(29)

NotMySpamAccount(1)

~ Succinct(15)


Not Voting (0):

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch. Xtoxm has been lynched.

Mod Notes:

skitter30 is V/LA on weekends.
Nimueh is V/LA while sick.

Skitter is unfairly shading you here. D1 doesn’t count, because extremely likely tvt. D2, you weren’t even on Xtoxm wagon. So, it’s patently ridiculous for her to make this statement.

[Nimueh]

okay i'll agree with that.
Enter's replace out and the leadup to it was really towny and i should just concentrate on that regardless of how i feel about Succinct. there are like four slots with bad interactions with Flubber at this point and they can't all be scum.

pedit: sitting at L-2 when and where? i'm not sure what you mean.

Prior to Flubber IC claim, Tris was the last vote and that was almost 4 hours before and put him at L-2. If Skitter can’t tell I’m obvtown yet, then I’m definitely not trusting her Elbirn read. And Tris’ most recent postings, how can Skitter still think she’s scum here?

i'm not reading you this game
i'm not planning on forming a read on you
i'm doing my best to ignore that your posts exist but i'm apparently i'm bad at doing this
i'm not sure what part of this you're not understanding

i'm like literally doing my best to just skip over your posts and pretend they're not there. they're long quotes of other people's posts and you do this for multiple pages and freak out whenever someone scumreads you and i'ts a pain to read all of this and it's contributing to the bloat and burning me out *a lot* so i'm just pretending they're not happening

i don't know how else to impart this to you

*i don't want to read your posts or interact with you or form a read on you*

I DGAF, it’s high time you put whatever issues you have with me aside for the sake of the game. This is unacceptable at this point, tbh. Stop it!

[Nimueh]

okay i'll agree with that.
Enter's replace out and the leadup to it was really towny and i should just concentrate on that regardless of how i feel about Succinct. there are like four slots with bad interactions with Flubber at this point and they can't all be scum.

pedit: sitting at L-2 when and where? i'm not sure what you mean.

Prior to Flubber IC claim, Tris was the last vote and that was almost 4 hours before and put him at L-2. If Skitter can’t tell I’m obvtown yet, then I’m definitely not trusting her Elbirn read. And Tris’ most recent postings, how can Skitter still think she’s scum here?

i'm not reading you this game
i'm not planning on forming a read on you
i'm doing my best to ignore that your posts exist but i'm apparently i'm bad at doing this
i'm not sure what part of this you're not understanding

i'm like literally doing my best to just skip over your posts and pretend they're not there. they're long quotes of other people's posts and you do this for multiple pages and freak out whenever someone scumreads you and i'ts a pain to read all of this and it's contributing to the bloat and burning me out *a lot* so i'm just pretending they're not happening

i don't know how else to impart this to you

*i don't want to read your posts or interact with you or form a read on you*

I DGAF, it’s high time you put whatever issues you have with me aside for the sake of the game. This is unacceptable at this point, tbh. Stop it!

And this time, this rebuke is completely coming out of left field ffs! It’s almost as if you know I’m close to solving this and you want to me to feel deflated, so I’ll stop. And it did temporarily work. I was just about to correct you on your totally unwarranted Reck shade and that temporarily threw me.

Also, you were posting until 9, so despite being on Flubber wagon, you are not clear. You sudden out of the blue rebuke on me + you completely warranted Flubber shade, are pinging me once again.

Gun to head: You and Elbirn. Both your out of left field rebuke on me and Reck shade and not obvtown reading Tris, aren’t sitting right with me. You are actively trying to stop me from solving this game and I refuse to let you!