Fire on the Mountain [Over]

Extrapolated Eagle · Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:06 am

Calling me scum when I've made it to d2 without being lynched is like calling a giraffe short.

Extrapolated Eagle · Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:15 am

In post 2832, Dannflor wrote:wait enter

You said you remember rolling scum twice and being lynched D1 both times, but No Deadlines??

or are you not counting that because replacement

Yeah.
I'm not counting it because replacing in is different. Also ND was the first game I replaced in and wasn't immediately lynched and that was only because the game day had gone on for a month at that point and my predecessor was locktown

Extrapolated Eagle · Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:00 am

ask later

dealing w/ surprise stuff rn

Extrapolated Eagle · Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:20 pm

Relax, PR. I get you I'm feeling pretty similar.

Lemme catch up and then Ank and I will take lead on this one.

Rei I really wanna hear the thing you were trying to say that you said we wouldn't wanna hear.

Extrapolated Eagle · Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:26 pm

Sure.

I'm not lynching xtoxm right now, though, nor am I reading your case atm.

@ank read this as soon as you wake up

let's plow through the thread together. lemme know when you have the chance. if you won't be able to somewhat early in the morning, lemme know and i'll do it when i wake up or after work tomorrow or something. I have uncertainties on the alignment of your slot and I wanna work through conftowning you, so when you get the chance i'd like to work through the thread skimming every 20 pages or so and then catching each other up on thought processes and such. this way i can track what you're thinking and we can both develop reads

how does that sound?

Extrapolated Eagle · Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:51 pm

alright i'm gonna sleep

i'll work through the thread and share thoughts sometime tomorrow

if you wanna reread in the meantime, that's fien

i will ask for your thoughts when i'm done

Extrapolated Eagle · Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:07 am

Extrapolated Eagle · Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:20 am

@Ank

I'm here and I'm reading through the first 20 pages now.

Lemme know when you're done and we'll compare thoughts.

Extrapolated Eagle · Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:11 am

uhhhh don't worry about it

I just skimmed those pages ... i think big points to look at are dt/xtoxm reactions to the self-vote and subsequent response wagons

Extrapolated Eagle · Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:21 am

Spoiler: thought process - warning page size doubles

Extrapolated Eagle · Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:22 am

lemme know when you're caught up and ready, ank

Extrapolated Eagle · Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:29 am

In post 2994, Enter wrote:Have you played w/ FA before and how much?

Oops.

In post 2995, Ankamius wrote:I played with FA in heroes wanted, she was obvtown day 1

Alright, I'll trust you for now on that read.

Ankamius wrote:yoink

Oh, thanks

Extrapolated Eagle · Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:30 am

In post 2993, Ankamius wrote:DT is a lot scummier than shoshin in this exchange but it looks like the opposite in the moment so him specifically going that direction looks better in hindsight for me

rephrase this, please

Extrapolated Eagle · Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:35 am

In post 2999, Ankamius wrote:even without knowing Shoshin is town already, she looks a lot more town to me than DT does

but in the moment where that was current, emotions were high enough that it looked flipped

Xtoxm voting for DT instead of going along with the Shoshin wagon has a much better look in hindsight with that scenario in mind (as a reference, grapes voted the shoshin wagon afterwards with a really sketchy justification)

I follow.

Extrapolated Eagle · Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:37 am

you ready for another 20?

Extrapolated Eagle · Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:46 am

dannflor are you scum

Extrapolated Eagle · Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:57 am

In post 622, Reiuji Utsuho wrote:I don't think this is TvT by the way.

Do you still hold this perspective?

Dannflor might be the best lynch here, actually.

Extrapolated Eagle · Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:58 am

VOTE: Dannflor

Extrapolated Eagle · Wed Mar 27, 2019 10:04 am

I've gotta go do other things for a bit so I'm sharing my thoughts here:

Spoiler:

dannflor almost guaranteed flips sucm here

Extrapolated Eagle · Wed Mar 27, 2019 10:05 am

Also I made the posts I made because I knew that was about the time you replaced out of 2059 and found out that I was scum in that

So I totally expected you to get paranoid of me but trust me my scum game that game was terrible I was just playing with people i was comfortable with so it was a lot easier for me to play around them

Extrapolated Eagle · Thu Mar 28, 2019 6:09 am

Let's be real.

Xtoxm is not an entirely serious push.

Extrapolated Eagle · Thu Mar 28, 2019 6:12 am

I'm almost certain PoR is only like 60% on his xtoxm push, and pushed it because he wanted to see what kind of reaction he'd get.

The "counter wagon" isn't a counter wagon, unless PoR is scumreading me and ank.

Extrapolated Eagle · Thu Mar 28, 2019 6:22 am

Why not?

Extrapolated Eagle · Thu Mar 28, 2019 6:28 am

In post 3103, Reiuji Utsuho wrote:What did you gain by ruining what you think was a reaction test?

The test is over. I gave it multiple days. I even waited for him to post his results, which he did. I'm contesting his results.

Extrapolated Eagle · Thu Mar 28, 2019 6:41 am

Results posted as quoted below.

Xtoxm has posted in other threads since

Reaction test wasn't even really for him, it was to see if a scum buddy would defend him.

In post 3075, Prince of Renais wrote:Funny how when I finally get around to leading on someone

1) xtoxm despite supposedly scumreading me doesn't even react to it
and
2) suddenly we have a dannflor wagon going to counterwagon it

Extrapolated Eagle · Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:15 am

RAS please read the first 20 pages of the day paying attention to Doubting Thomas' slot

Extrapolated Eagle · Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:17 am

In post 3115, Jingle wrote:I feel conflicted that other people are agreeing with past Jingle. On the one hand, I like all of these options. On the other hand, there's too many options I like.

I feel the same.

I'm willing to compromise on other wagons but I like dannflor beat right now and I don't see a huge reason to be pushing compromise at the moment

Extrapolated Eagle · Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:20 am

In post 3131, Prince of Renais wrote:
In post 3128, Jingle wrote:
In post 3126, Prince of Renais wrote:Btw DDL/xtoxm has a lot of equity
Also DDL/dannflor.
Wouldn't xtoxm be the more obvious counter wagon vote here?

Why would xtoxm be more obvious here?

Extrapolated Eagle · Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:21 am

Xtoxm I expect this from as either alignment. I expect more from dann!town

Extrapolated Eagle · Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:22 am

In post 3134, DrDolittle wrote:maybe i should self vote get into an emotional arguement and replace out huh

We've already had two of those this game, one per day, actually.

Extrapolated Eagle · Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:26 am

In post 3137, RAS wrote:
In post 3123, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:RAS please read the first 20 pages of the day paying attention to Doubting Thomas' slot
Yeah, I was just about to.

To clarify what I mean about DDL faking a post: read my earlier posts because I think DDL is a much better lynch today considering those things. He blatantly faked a post, and I'm surprised that not many people are bringing this up. Read: Post 3064, Post 3071. DDL knew that Jingle had a case on him, and that's why he said "i knew it if i kept repeating im not scum people would believe me" in Post 3059. But then, in Post 3064, DDL acts like he didn't know Jingle had a case on him for a short second which doesn't add up at all.

I do this sometimes. Ignore specific players to help others catch up and then go back and read bigger posts later

In post 3138, Prince of Renais wrote:
In post 3132, DrDolittle wrote:idk i was scumreading xtoxm and someone cited that and i thought it made sense, and since xtox hasnt posted anything significant since i guess that read stayed. do you think its no longer valid?
I think town xtoxm would have freaked the fuck out me voting him and he's been on site several times

Lurking and trying to hide makes me think he's hoping to get to night and ignite me and hope the pressure goes away

Call me doubtful but didn't he already freak out on you earlier?

Extrapolated Eagle · Thu Mar 28, 2019 10:22 am

the fact that dannflor/ddl are both voting ank makes me happy to lynch either one

Extrapolated Eagle · Thu Mar 28, 2019 10:46 am

Maxwell

Talk about DT/Dannflor slot please

Also has your read changed on DDL? How so?

Extrapolated Eagle · Thu Mar 28, 2019 5:55 pm

In post 3253, Reiuji Utsuho wrote:
In post 3249, Xtoxm wrote:my understanding from what others have said is that she's a strong player and i imagine she's capable of putting the kind of stuff on the board that she's done this game.
It's kinda funny actually. This is my second mafia game ever and my first game on this site.
I played my first game in over a year ago.

And yet some people are calling me alt account <_<

You don't talk too much but when you do it's usually to say something worth saying.

I think that goes a long way to make a decent first impression.

Extrapolated Eagle · Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:27 pm

In post 3259, Dannflor wrote:noooo you can't read me ;_; you promised you could read me

my scumread on you is based on your predecessor.

your play specifically seems somewhat towny but isn't ai enough for me to think you're not scum., but i like your recent posting

Extrapolated Eagle · Thu Mar 28, 2019 10:46 pm

I'm ok with lynching mcqueen

Extrapolated Eagle · Thu Mar 28, 2019 10:46 pm

mcqueen/clem?

Extrapolated Eagle · Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:14 pm

sometime tomorrow, ank, let's go through 21-41? maybe more if we have time?

Extrapolated Eagle · Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:20 pm

Sounds good.

I have work in a couple hours but maybe 9 or so hours from now we can start working through it again?

Extrapolated Eagle · Fri Mar 29, 2019 6:28 am

In post 3302, Ankamius wrote:eagle

I think I need to raincheck until tomorrow

I don't have the brainpower to focus on this today anymore

boop me tomorrow after I have had hopefully like 11 hours to sleep

Cool, me too.

*Alt+F4*

Get some sleep I'll boop you tomorrow.

Extrapolated Eagle · Fri Mar 29, 2019 6:32 am

I understand.

Extrapolated Eagle · Fri Mar 29, 2019 6:55 am

Knock knock open up the door it's real with the nonstop pop pop and stainless steel
Xtoxm give it to you, he gonna five it to you

Extrapolated Eagle · Fri Mar 29, 2019 6:56 am

In post 3308, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:Knock knock open up the door it's real with the nonstop pop pop and stainless steel
Xtoxm give it to you, he gonna give it to you

ebwop

Extrapolated Eagle · Fri Mar 29, 2019 7:11 am

VOTE: UNVOTE: Dannflor

Extrapolated Eagle · Fri Mar 29, 2019 7:14 am

UNVOTE: Dannflor

Lynching PoR shouldn't happen unless I die before he does.

Extrapolated Eagle · Fri Mar 29, 2019 7:16 am

In post 3317, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:UNVOTE: Dannflor

Lynching PoR shouldn't happen unless I die before he does.

Unless we're scum together this doesn't make sense for me to say, and I'm so ridiculously far outside my scum range I have actually chuckled the few times people tried to call me scum, so unless you're pushing me as scum, stop pushing PoR.

Extrapolated Eagle · Fri Mar 29, 2019 7:17 am

In post 3318, Dannflor wrote:I think we can end the game before "must lynch PoR" paranoia levels get too high

I'm saying this because I'm about to start pushing PoR pushes as scum pushes.

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 12:10 am

In post 3418, Enter wrote:
In post 3374, Prince of Renais wrote:
In post 243, grapes wrote:I'm familiar with a good chunk of names here... but im pretty sure just lycanfire, gamma, extrapolated eagle, vedith and xtom have been in a game with me before.
good news: i think there is always at least one scum on this list. even reasonably good odds of both scum. virtually never all town
bad news: that doesn't actually poe the game down that much given that 4 of the slots are currently in the general lynchpool
3
Ank is off the table

Oops

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 12:10 am

In post 3375, Prince of Renais wrote:Enter what is Ank's alignment?

Town

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 12:16 am

In post 3385, Prince of Renais wrote:POR
Buj
Reiuj
Alisae
EE
Karmeleon
DDL
jingle
vedith

leftovers
mcqueen
liger_zero
maxwellpuckett
ankamius
dannflor
xtoxm

enter if ank is town this is a 100% gamesolve

I'm p much here, actually.

Except Ank is town (or playing a solid scum game, she's still barely in her scum range, I think, but I'm gonna try to push her out of it today), and I agree ali might not be in this list but I liked eir push on the FA slot and DT hasn't done anything particularly scummy, but didn't look particularly town, either.

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 1:01 am

I wanna rock!

Ank,

Game state read + potential scum pairings

Or

Continue reading thread?

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 1:07 am

Yeah I think we got just past that. Was there a place you wanted to start or is 21 fine?

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 1:11 am

see you when you finish w/ 41

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 1:28 am

In post 619, Reiuji Utsuho wrote:I won't comment on Shoshin vs DT until I see what I want to see.
It shouldn't take more than 2 RL days.

In post 620, Reiuji Utsuho wrote:
In post 618, Alisae wrote:yo where am I wrong
Walk me through things plz
The unvote is to show my neutrality at this moment.
I can kinda see both sides but I need few RL days to see something assuming this shenanigans continues for those few days.

In post 622, Reiuji Utsuho wrote:I don't think this is TvT by the way.

Did you see what you were looking for and do you still think this is not TvT?

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 1:35 am

In post 3429, Ankamius wrote:
In post 710, Jingle wrote:To ISO
Lycanfire
Xtoxm

To IGNORE
Gamma Emerald
NerfedBuJ

To TOWN
Alisae
Reiuji Utsuho
Vedith
Karmeleon

To SCUM
PvtUrist
Extrapolated Eagle

To ANNOY UNTIL THEY START MAKING ALIGNMENT NOISES
Shoshin
DoubtingThomas
Clemency
DrDolittle
grapes
mcqueen

Groups very vague, honestly don't have much to go on outside of my townreads.
this post is really town

read the same post

pressed "X" to doubt

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 1:36 am

In post 3430, Ankamius wrote:like all four of those townreads are ones I'm agreeing with at this point and the rest is pretty out there

I don't have Jingle pegged as the kind of player to purposely do shit like this as scum when there isn't a need to

you've played w/ vedith before at this point

are you townreading him based on what you've read in the game?

like Jingle/Ved are my two reads that could go either way, TBH

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 1:39 am

In post 3433, Ankamius wrote:I think you'd have to be reading through the thread through the same mindset I am to see it

the townread list is really town-indicative

srs question

what mindset are you in

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 1:44 am

In post 3436, Ankamius wrote:but like

Reiuji and Karmeleon are relatively easy townreads (Reiuji moreso, Karmeleon only spewed town a few pages before)
Alisae is another one that's not the easiest person to townread at that point either, but that's another read I agree with

I find that post town-indicative because they're all townreads I also have, but are varying levels of consensus instead of fairly easy scumreads, one of which even is in the middle of a push

add that to how little consensus there is to the rest of the reads

it paints a pretty clear picture

Alright I can see that.

So scum pool for me right now is:
Max
Mcqueen
Liger
Xtoxm

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 1:44 am

In post 3437, Ankamius wrote:
In post 3435, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:
In post 3433, Ankamius wrote:I think you'd have to be reading through the thread through the same mindset I am to see it

the townread list is really town-indicative
srs question

what mindset are you in
I'm in analysis mode

also srs

what angle are you coming from

if you need me to explain the question i can

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 1:45 am

also

gamestate read at carryover from shoshin/DT to nerfedbuj wagons

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 1:46 am

Max
mcqueen
Liger

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 1:49 am

In post 3444, Ankamius wrote:
In post 3440, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:
In post 3437, Ankamius wrote:
In post 3435, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:
In post 3433, Ankamius wrote:I think you'd have to be reading through the thread through the same mindset I am to see it

the townread list is really town-indicative
srs question

what mindset are you in
I'm in analysis mode
also srs

what angle are you coming from

if you need me to explain the question i can
I'm looking at trajectories mainly and how people are responding relative to how I'm seeing the gamestate at that point

good thing I asked the second question

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 1:51 am

In post 3446, Ankamius wrote:
In post 3441, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:also

gamestate read at carryover from shoshin/DT to nerfedbuj wagons
I believe that scum didn't like the Shoshin/DT wagons and that the BuJ wagon was an out

the way grapes handled both of them is a lot of evidence for this

Do you think it had to do with one of them being scum?

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 1:54 am

Votecount 1.8
Shoshin(4) ~ Lycanfire(10), NerfedBuJ(13), DoubtingThomas(88), Frozen Angel(69)
Xtoxm(2) ~ DrDolittle(24), Shoshin(79)
NerfedBuJ(2) ~ Vedith(73), grapes(16)
DoubtingThomas(2) ~ Xtoxm(16), Alisae(76)
Vedith(1) ~ Extrapolated Eagle(90)
Lycanfire(1) ~ mcqueen(1)
Gamma Emerald(1) ~ PvtUrist(14)

the only reason I see for grapes avoiding these wagons is if one of them is scum trying to avoid a wagon or there's already too many scum on one of the wagons

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 1:55 am

This game is weird for me I think it's one of teh few games wehre I've only really been sold on scum for part of the game

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 1:57 am

like it wouldn't surprise me if you told me there wre two scum on the shoshin wagon at this point

she looks pretty lynchbaity

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 1:58 am

Right.

Do you agree w/ the analysis that you're stil barely in your scum range?

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 1:58 am

In post 3453, Liger_Zero wrote:
In post 3442, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:Max
mcqueen
Liger
So vote Max.

you have no clue how not sold I am on this list of people at the moment

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:02 am

sell me really hard on buj town

because i really want to believe it

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:02 am

In post 3456, Liger_Zero wrote:
In post 3455, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:
In post 3453, Liger_Zero wrote:
In post 3442, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:Max
mcqueen
Liger
So vote Max.
you have no clue how not sold I am on this list of people at the moment
Then you should vote Max.

why?

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:03 am

In post 3456, Liger_Zero wrote:
In post 3455, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:
In post 3453, Liger_Zero wrote:
In post 3442, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:Max
mcqueen
Liger
So vote Max.
you have no clue how not sold I am on this list of people at the moment
Then you should vote Max.

rather...

how does "i am not sold on this list of people"
thought process
result in
"i should vote max"

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:03 am

In post 3462, Liger_Zero wrote:
In post 3461, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:
In post 3456, Liger_Zero wrote:
In post 3455, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:
In post 3453, Liger_Zero wrote:
In post 3442, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:Max
mcqueen
Liger
So vote Max.
you have no clue how not sold I am on this list of people at the moment
Then you should vote Max.
why?
Why not?

because voting max gets me nowhere

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:03 am

In post 3464, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:because voting max gets me nowhere

By this I mean: I am somewhere. I am heading somewhere.
If I vote Max, I lose all of that and end up nowhere.

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:04 am

In post 3467, Ankamius wrote:ugh

actually, just looking at the VCs and grapes' actions through it, it actually makes a lot more sense that BuJ is the scum of the two

yes

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:04 am

In post 3460, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:sell me really hard on buj town

because i really want to believe it

In post 3467, Ankamius wrote:ugh

actually, just looking at the VCs and grapes' actions through it, it actually makes a lot more sense that BuJ is the scum of the two

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:06 am

VOTE: NerfedBuj

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:06 am

You're off on your Buj read.

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:08 am

Yes.

I was thinking the same thing

He says a lot of stuff that's

almost

right and then does things that are just a little wrong.

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:19 am

i'm going through Buj's ISO to try and find anything redeeming and upon skim I'm not seeing anything

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:23 am

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:24 am

You're not going to like what I'm about to say.

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:24 am

In post 3484, Extrapolated Eagle wrote::V

This is the face you're about to make.

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:24 am

I think you're probably scum w/ him, if he flips scum.

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:26 am

In post 3489, Ankamius wrote:you'll help me bus, right eagle?

Yeah...

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:27 am

You have no idea how much it hurts me to say that

But especially in the fact that I pushed Buj last time we were reading the thread with the same thoughts and it was ignored

and then there was a complete reversal today but only after I pushed you a little bit for it

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:28 am

like I felt like I had to pull to get you to see the same game I was seeing.

also you used a different vote count from me

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:34 am

I won't push you as scum right now, and TBH I'm going to continue to town read you until Buj flips scum.

It's possible I'm completely wrong on you.
I really WANT to be completely wrong on you.

I'm just really afraid that I'm not.

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:35 am

Talk about these, please:

In post 173, Lycanfire wrote:
In post 170, Shoshin wrote:
In post 166, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:Frozen Angel's first posts weren't particularly manipulative which is why I changed my vote, if anyone's wondering.
Did anyone else have this reaction to FA's posts?
1. does it matter

2. should he need a reason to change his rvs vote

3. is any of this actually ai even though it looks ai

this my super easy rqs round where all the questions have the same answer!

In post 176, Lycanfire wrote:
In post 174, Shoshin wrote:Reactions matter, yes. The issue isn't whether he needs a reason to change his vote, it's whether a townie would react the way he did.
I was de-compiling everything about it

Does it matter? - Scum intent is to pocket, town intent is to bait

Should he need a reason? No, giving one is bad

Is any of this AI? Only if you ignore half of the variables like you did

VOTE: Shoshin

In post 179, Lycanfire wrote:Whether he needed a reason to change his vote. That's crucial to figuring out his intent regarding FA.

Now whether
I
personally felt that way about FA, no, I don't think FA can exploit me at all beyond making herself out to be complete lynchbait. That's a form of manipulation in the sense that you can technically eat ice cream through your nose.

When it comes to reactions the only ones that really matter are his, FA's, and anyone who has played in games with both of them.

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:41 am

In post 3497, Ankamius wrote:it's a playstyle quirk of mine, Enter

I look for specific things when I read through the game, and my initial pass at getting a gamestate read depends almost entirely on my reads and how they interact with each other

it's actually pretty common for this to happen as my read on the game gets better

fair

In post 3498, Ankamius wrote:idk what exactly you're looking for from me with those

I don't know Lycanfire enough to know how his playstyle works and I know it comes from town... that's it :V

I can't read them

I just wanted to know if you could

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:47 am

I think you're out of your scumrange, now.

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:48 am

at least I'm pretty sure that's not how you respond to that as scum.

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:48 am

gimme some time.

UNVOTE:

To be clear I still want Buj lynched

I just don't know that I'll be alive tomorrow and I want a solid read on Ank before I do.

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:50 am

In post 3501, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:I think you're out of your scumrange, now.

To be more clear

I think you COULD do what you did as scum

I just think you don't

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:51 am

In post 3504, Ankamius wrote:do you want me to build a full gamestate read today?

no

you're fine I have enough from you right now

I think you're really town

I just wanted you to be as confident as I was

I also wanna be solid on that sentiment before I get Buj lynched and you endgame. :3

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:54 am

In post 3507, Ankamius wrote:you're drastically overestimating my scumgame if you think I ever endgame in larges lol

Just because you haven't before doesn't mean you won't now.

Especially if PoR dies. So many of the people in this game could go either way

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:57 am

In post 3509, NerfedBuJ wrote:Next time don't bother rereading guys coz you suck at it.
Your gutreads are clearly way better than your analysis reads.

Do something townie, please.

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:58 am

Funny story

My reads are always better when I reread.

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:59 am

In post 3511, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:Funny story

My reads are always better when I reread.

Except for marathon games

In the moment gut reads for me tend to be pretty solid
but then I lose track of them over time and they get manipulated
so when I reread bigger games I get a handle on them again and they get pretty solid again

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 3:03 am

In post 3513, Ankamius wrote:Subject: Mini Theme 2007: Police Academy 1 - Game Over

Punreader wrote: confident

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 3:03 am

You seemed more paced and reserved today

I just wanted to see confident

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 3:10 am

just imagine all the things ank is saying she's saying twice

because i was also going to say them

until i say otherwise

also ank is solid town

i bet my own alignment on it

she's super confident and unreserved as town

and the way she responded to both of my pushes on her today was townie

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 3:13 am

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 3:13 am

if ank flips scum, flip me next

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 3:42 am

In post 3526, Liger_Zero wrote:but I mean does ur actual green role card turn red upon flip now?

In post 3527, Liger_Zero wrote:My joke went way over your head.

no
it was just so dumb

that i treated it as if you weren't actually trying to make ajoke

to maintain at least some sense of respect for you

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 3:52 am

liger seems to be one of the few people happy with the game state right now

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 3:52 am

which fascinates me ebcause I haven't seen anything townie come from that slot

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 3:53 am

I'm going to call it on Liger/Buj

VOTE: Buj

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 3:53 am

liger talk about why buj wagon won't gain traction please

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 3:54 am

FTR

I'm doing what I'm trying to do very well indeed.
Thanks for your input, though

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 3:57 am

In post 3550, Liger_Zero wrote:I’d rather talk to you about the weather tbh

I know

that's my problem

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:02 am

In post 2703, Liger_Zero wrote:NerfedBuj - Don't know who this be.

maybe I take it back?

I just don't see a lot of discussion coming from this slot that's adding something other slots aren't already adding

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:03 am

reads are all surface no depth, though, kinda likes to push lynchbaity slots, which i'm not really sure i like

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:03 am

In post 3554, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:
In post 2703, Liger_Zero wrote:NerfedBuj - Don't know who this be.
maybe I take it back?

I just don't see a lot of discussion coming from this slot that's adding something other slots aren't already adding

In post 3555, Ankamius wrote:
In post 3544, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:liger seems to be one of the few people happy with the game state right now

In post 3547, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:I'm going to call it on Liger/Buj

VOTE: Buj
eagle this doesn't mesh

yeah i'm thinking it doesn't make sense particularly either

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:04 am

i think i wanna just flip buj and move from there? I'm tired I think I'll go back to bed and look at it again tomorrow

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:05 am

and by tomorrow I mean in the morning

which i realize it is i mean later in the morning

whatever. gimme some time to sleep

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 5:56 am

In post 3571, NerfedBuJ wrote:It's 2 people. 1 of them being EE who just pulled off the greatest town on town betrayal. He's been townreading me forever.
Jingle has just had a blanket null on my slot. Doesn't count as a scumread.

Anyway if they insist on lynching me at least lynch xtox first. If he flips scum I'm confirmed town because of his recent townspew.

I'm feeling paranoid.

List of hard townread I temporarily betrayed today that resulted in a stronger townread:
Ank
Dann
Buj

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 5:57 am

Buj doesn't belong on that list in that I betrayed him but am not currently town reading him

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 5:58 am

In post 3568, Reiuji Utsuho wrote:Personally, mine looks like this at the moment.

Prince of Renais

Extrapolated Eagle (I don't know why I didn't put this name here last time. I must've forgotten. Maybe he lacks presence.
Just kidding
)

Karmeleon

RAE

Ankamius

Jingle

mcqueen

Dannflor

???

That "???" was BuJ but because many people are telling me wrong I'm gonna take my time some day between today and tomorrow and look over their cases on him.

Good

Add DDL

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 6:00 am

In post 3563, Dannflor wrote:Hey Ank/Enter, can one of you look at this game and tell me if you think Buj's ISO is similar to here?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10669500

I can tell you they have the same writing style and are likely the same person

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 6:02 am

In post 3601, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:
In post 3563, Dannflor wrote:Hey Ank/Enter, can one of you look at this game and tell me if you think Buj's ISO is similar to here?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10669500
I can tell you they have the same writing style and are likely the same person

This is probably who NerfedBuj is an alt of, is my guess.

In all seriousness all this game does is show me that the one we're playing right now is in his scum range

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 6:03 am

In post 3591, Dannflor wrote:
In post 3587, Ankamius wrote:
In post 3563, Dannflor wrote:Hey Ank/Enter, can one of you look at this game and tell me if you think Buj's ISO is similar to here?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10669500
I don't use cold meta unless I have a very specific thing I'm looking for

it's useless otherwise
Only curious because that's my meta with him and his analysis there vs. analysis here feels very different to me.

What feels different to you?

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 6:12 am

Like ... one game meta is rarely enough.

It's hard to meta someone unless you know the person and why they do what they do.

2059 Ank is very different than Ank here in play style. She's much more reserved here, in 2059 she was pulling gambits and trying to at least somewhat take charge. She also is a lot less outspoken about her opinions here. This is going to happen because in 2059 town was pretty lost and pushing a town wagon the first half of the day she, was trying to redirect and change that, there was no one really sitting on her role. Here there are three people already pretty much doing the game solving thing and the game feels very under control, very different from 2059. But one town tell for Ank town is her confidence in her ability to be town even when people are screaming her, which is why she reacted like she did to me saying I was screaming her, even when I hadn't given a reason for my push.

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 6:14 am

I don't know who buj is or what he does or why he does it

Also "screaming" in the last post is supposed to be "scum reading."

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 6:22 am

In post 3611, Reiuji Utsuho wrote:
In post 3600, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:
In post 3568, Reiuji Utsuho wrote:Personally, mine looks like this at the moment.

Prince of Renais

Extrapolated Eagle (I don't know why I didn't put this name here last time. I must've forgotten. Maybe he lacks presence.
Just kidding
)

Karmeleon

RAE

Ankamius

Jingle

mcqueen

Dannflor

???

That "???" was BuJ but because many people are telling me wrong I'm gonna take my time some day between today and tomorrow and look over their cases on him.
Good

Add DDL
Is this more of "Your list looks great"
or more of "Your list lacks DDL?"

The former

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 6:26 am

Is Buj opportunistic as scum?

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 6:53 am

Ok.

I like you regardless of your alignment, because I can relate to the thoughts showcased in your recent post.

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 8:49 am

In post 3634, Xtoxm wrote:
In post 3630, Vedith wrote:I think the only player that everyone thinks is town is me right now, but I'm right on majority of my list at worst.
Jingle
Max
DDL
Light
Karmeleon
Eagle
NerfedBuJ
Xtoxm
Ali
Prince
Dannflor
McQueen
Reiuji
Ank

i just c+p your list and put it into random.org, and i can confidently state that this list is also mostly right at worst, as only 2 scum exist in a pool of 15 players

This.

You could call your two strongest town reads scum and still be right on the majority of your list considering you have an accuracy of 11/15

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:11 am

VOTE: Vedith

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:11 am

In post 3641, Dannflor wrote:Vedith can you engage with me on why you think I'm scum

I think you've scum read me in every game we've been in together regardless of either of our alignments

If you're town, I need to know you really believe the reasons you scum read me for here

Waste of time

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:16 am

In post 3644, Dannflor wrote:
In post 3643, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:Waste of time
I don't think so

I disagree with you not thinking so

Vedith adds nothing to the game

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:18 am

Although part of my scumread on ved would make dann look scummier, soo.... :/

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:19 am

In post 1482, Dannflor wrote:I keep going back and forth on Vedith. I was prepared to have him in my solve but I keep wavering every time I go back over his ISO.

From what I know about scum!Vedith, he's not scared of open wolfing and hard defending a scum buddy Day 1 or interfering with the lynch. He doesn't do that here so much, but I do find posts like "Someone go over the Grapes wagon for me." pretty bad and how I would expect Vedith to approach his buddy being wagoned so quickly. That phrase is like the classic way to give yourself a way onto the wagon by putting the onus entirely on someone else, and at the same time hopefully slowing it down a bit. I'd also expect town!Vedith to be more critical of #1353, but maybe he's just caught in the Buj tunnel?

If Alisae is scum, I think Vedith scum becomes more likely because of this:
In post 615, Vedith wrote:Alisae Scum on a BuJ scum flip.
Mostly down to the fact that I town read Buj pretty strongly, and his interactions with Alisae in this part of the game don't read genuine to me. Reads as Vedith setting Alisae up as a town read after he gets a mislynch on Buj.

On the other hand, I find Vedith's whole play style and the way he's been poking people in this game specifically fairly proactive and towny. I do think Vedith is a strong scum player though so I have some general paranoia towards him. When it's not 2am I'll maybe go over his ISO again and try to figure out if I my town vibes from him are concrete or not.

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:21 am

I didn't even get a third of the way through Danns ISO

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:23 am

In post 3653, Dannflor wrote:I mean I'll be the first one to admit I've been fence sitting on Vedith all game

I don't know that he believes that makes me scum though

So has everyone else lol.

Everyone has been fence sitting on the bottom half of the player list all game

You at least put effort in. :/

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:24 am

Like today is a huge hurdle for us because we've all been fence sitting on like half the players in the game all day

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:26 am

I like max

Can we lynch liger instead

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:28 am

Remember that time we did marathon mountainous?

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:33 am

Just skimmed Max s ISO don't see anything that makes him scum

Do see things that make gamma scum, though, and liger isn't adding anything to the game

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:33 am

I'm not lynching max rn, lynch him tomorrow when I'm dead

Let's get buj or liger

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:34 am

In post 3674, Ankamius wrote:Can we not lynch Vedith

It's fine he just said a lot of dumb things over the course of the game, we're not gonna feed him rope yet, I don't think

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:35 am

In post 3676, Dannflor wrote:What makes Gamma scum?

VOTE: liger

Ignored actual game content to comment on non-game content and was super selective on what they actually responded to

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:37 am

In post 3679, Vedith wrote:
In post 3677, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:
In post 3674, Ankamius wrote:Can we not lynch Vedith
It's fine he just said a lot of dumb things over the course of the game, we're not gonna feed him rope yet, I don't think
Like Shoshin being town?
How dumb of me.

like ate is always nai
The majority of my reads list is right
I wouldn't wk my scum buddy
I'm actually trying to think of things you said that weren't dumb

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:38 am

Also congrats, you were right on something you will be right on if you called everyone in the game town

And if you're scum you managed to be right on the thing that you can confirm being right on that town cant

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:39 am

In post 3682, Vedith wrote:
In post 3681, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:like ate is always nai
Yes, yes it is.

Defense, your witness

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:40 am

In post 3686, Vedith wrote:You're just selective reading because you have a chip on your shoulder about me and I'm not sure why.

Show me somewhere in the game where you legitimately added to it in a productive and town motivated manner

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:41 am

In post 3690, Vedith wrote:
In post 3685, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:Defense, your witness
So because you're a player that can get emotionally black mailed in a game it makes me dumb.
Okay, glad you're the smart one here \o/

Naw, you're just incapable of applying circumstances to a situation.

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:41 am

In post 3692, Vedith wrote:I mean, I can just go and shit post the entire game from here and spam the thread up.
Think I'm going to do this so you might as well lynch me. \o/

Explain how that's different from what you've been doing

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:44 am

In post 515, NerfedBuJ wrote:
In post 513, Vedith wrote:AtE is always NAI. Always.
But for the record.. no it is not.

'AtE is used by both town and scum depending on the situation' is correct.

'AtE is NAI' is incorrect.

We can argue that in both cases AtE tries to get people to do what the emotional person wants, but town and scum want different things so you know, you can actually read into the AtE.

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:51 am

In post 928, Gamma Emerald wrote:Is this entire game just shitposting

In post 2307, Gamma Emerald wrote:The amount of replacements rn disgusts me so I'm not quitting this

In post 2330, Gamma Emerald wrote:Is Shoshin replacing out?

In post 2333, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: shoshin okay then

In post 2334, Gamma Emerald wrote:Oh already replaced
Meh w/e

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:51 am

She eventually tried in all those games

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:52 am

In post 3711, Dannflor wrote:Vedith wagon feels like it came about because town is getting apathetic and just wants to make a decision on a slot that's easier to get a wagon going on than others

I don't think he's a very good lynch

How is his wagon easier than others

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:54 am

In post 3712, Vedith wrote:When I try to get motivation to get back into this game it basically gets instantly shut down.
I lost a lot of motivation for this game from yesterday and I still think that Scum just sat back and let town Lynch Shoshin and they are getting away with it.

If Eagle is going to intentionally Piss me off and actively want to prevent me from playing I'll do everyone a favour and replace out.

I actually think DDL is town and I'd move him further up my list.

Replace out

Huh, it looks like this AtE comes from town.

Fascinating

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:55 am

Dann got traction,
Xtoxm got traction,
Liver might gain traction,
buj might gain traction

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:56 am

In post 3720, Dannflor wrote:
In post 3717, Ankamius wrote:Because it actually gets traction unlike every other wagon lol
yea

and it's on a slot that generally has less thread presence + has been floated as a lynch idea for a while

Just like half the player list

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:59 am

I don't see what you're saying about vedith that can't be said for the others I've mentioned.

.....

The other push from xtoxm this game day also looks like a policy lynch

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:00 am

You just quoted the guy who tried to push one of the townies players in the game earlier this game day

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:04 am

In post 3728, Dannflor wrote:
In post 3725, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:You just quoted the guy who tried to push one of the townies players in the game earlier this game day
I mean I'm not really convinced your push on him wasn't mostly because you didn't like his contributions or posting style over genuinely believing he was scum either. I don't necessarily blame you for it, I just think it's different from other wagons so far in that there's less of an outright "case" and more of: this is annoying, let's just lynch it

lack of town motivation often enough is evidence of scum
see 2059
saying things that are almost right but wrong is also evidence of scum
see whatever newbie i was in

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:05 am

at this point i don't care

i'm also struggling with scum reads
Buj makes sense
Gamma makes sense
Vedith I can see
Max I can see

regardless of the flip one of them will get us more information for tomorrow

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:06 am

fine

VOTE: xtoxm

i've seen taht attitude come from scum enough that i don't mind lynching it

see BoP2 : electric Boogaloo

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:10 am

In post 3735, Ankamius wrote:
In post 3719, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:Dann got traction,
Xtoxm got traction,
Liver might gain traction,
buj might gain traction
Did Dann even get votes other than us?

yes

Xtoxm's wagon died as fast as it started, or at the very least stalled out near immediately

I presented relatively active resistance to that wagon and if I'd left it I think it would have grown

BuJ got very little traction and the momentum is already about done on it

we gave buj, what, a few hours?

Liger isn't all that town but I feel like that's literally all there is to it

nice
sounds good for a lynch to me

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:10 am

In post 3736, Reiuji Utsuho wrote:Do we win if we lynch all of [xtoxm/Max/Liger]?

i'll lynch max if liger is guaranteed to get killed as well if max doesn't flip scum

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:14 am

In post 3742, Reiuji Utsuho wrote:
In post 3740, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:
In post 3736, Reiuji Utsuho wrote:Do we win if we lynch all of [xtoxm/Max/Liger]?
i'll lynch max if liger is guaranteed to get killed as well if max doesn't flip scum
I did say that once.

this kinda deal doesn't always work out tho
and i'm kinda scared cuz scum could easily kill you + me + prince tonight

Extrapolated Eagle · Sat Mar 30, 2019 12:40 pm

VOTE: liger

more traction than xtoxm

liger>xtoxm>Buj>max

Extrapolated Eagle · Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:20 am

In post 3776, Vedith wrote:I'm allowed to stay in the game so I take back the /replace.
Won't happen again.

Cool.

Sorry. I wasn't trying to piss you off. Just mad over stupid shit that doesn't matter.

Extrapolated Eagle · Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:24 am

In post 3809, Ankamius wrote:You don't feel like the way these wagons have shifted and stalled is weird?

Everything about this game is weird.

I don't think I've ever done this much fence sitting as town in my mafia career combined.

TBQH I'm kinda lost and trying to figure out how to handle it. If you know what you're doing, input is greatly appreciated.

Extrapolated Eagle · Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:31 am

A large portion of Danns posting doesn't make sense for scum unless DDL is also scum

Extrapolated Eagle · Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:35 am

In post 3833, Vedith wrote:
In post 3828, Dannflor wrote:Why does Grapes go from hard pushing Buj to not mentioning him at all in his catch-up and then voting obv town

I really don't think he was distancing anyone in this post, he's just flinging around any names that aren't his buddies
Although I think Buj has a good chance as Scum I don't see these posts against BuJ Scum.
The only thing is there's no direct threat to Buj during these posts.

Scum Grapes doesn't care if legit on BuJ or not though.

Do you agree naked votes on Buj feel weird?

Extrapolated Eagle · Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:36 am

Scum read on Liger amounts to: I scoured gamma, don't see a reason to townread either slot and liger is actively making the game more difficult for me and others.

Extrapolated Eagle · Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:39 am

Doesn't seem motivated to sort/lynch in a specific pool

Extrapolated Eagle · Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:15 am

definitely could see xtoxm being scum

Extrapolated Eagle · Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:21 am

In post 3881, Liger_Zero wrote:
In post 3760, northsidegal wrote:
Votecount 3.7

Liger_Zero(5)
~ Reiuji Utsuho⁽⁸⁵⁾, MaxwellPuckett⁽⁶⁸⁾, Extrapolated Eagle⁽¹⁹⁷⁾, DrDolittle⁽⁹⁸⁾, Dannflor⁽⁹³⁾

Xtoxm(3)
~ mcqueen⁽²⁵⁾, Vedith⁽⁴⁹⁾, Prince of Renais⁽¹²⁸⁾

Vedith(1)
~ NerfedBuJ⁽³⁸⁾

Prince of Renais(1)
~ Xtoxm⁽⁴⁷⁾

NerfedBuJ(1)
~ Ankamius⁽¹⁴³⁾

MaxwellPuckett(1)
~ Liger_Zero⁽¹⁰⁶⁾

DrDolittle(1)
~ Jingle⁽⁹⁰⁾

Ankamius(1)
~ Karmeleon⁽⁸⁸⁾

Not Voting (1): RAS⁽⁴⁶⁾

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 3 deadline is in (expired on 2019-04-05 16:49:59)

Searching for a replacement for Vedith.
Add Nerf on to me.
Add Jingle on to Xtoxm and I think that's all the vote changes

Liger lynch actually makes me really happy rn because I'm unsure of a lot of the people on the wagon, like I could go both ways

and his flip will definitely help me sort them

Extrapolated Eagle · Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:22 am

In post 3886, Dannflor wrote:ok

VOTE: xtoxm

i don't like this anymore

let's get liger

just cuz at this point I'll feel a lot better about a lot of my reads depending on his flip

including/esp xtoxm

Extrapolated Eagle · Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:22 am

In post 3888, Dannflor wrote:I don't think I rate Liger as scum either

scum needs a much larger lynch pool than he is trying to create in order to win this game

i very
very
very
strongly disagree

Extrapolated Eagle · Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:23 am

he eventually needs a larger lynch pool
but all he needs to do is push someoen and be wrong

and then go "oops wow I don't know what I'm doing someoen else take charge"

Extrapolated Eagle · Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:23 am

In post 3892, Dannflor wrote:how does liger flip influence your xtoxm read

liger flip scum
xtoxm is next
liger flip town

xtoxm looks slightly better

Extrapolated Eagle · Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:27 am

In post 3896, Prince of Renais wrote:Definitely not lynching liger if their townflip makes you not vote xtoxm

alright

u want to sort one player (xtoxm)

i want to sort a pool of players -

max/ddl/dann

all of them i feel a lot better on them for town if liger flips scum

all of them i look a lot closer at if liger flips town

Extrapolated Eagle · Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:28 am

In post 3898, Dannflor wrote:
In post 3894, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:liger flip scum
xtoxm is next
liger flip town

xtoxm looks slightly better
does it work the other way around

like xtoxm town flip makes liger look slightly better?

no

actually i feel the worst about xtoxm in the pool of four

i might have this reversed - i don't know that liger defends xtoxm as scum like he did

Extrapolated Eagle · Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:29 am

In post 3904, Prince of Renais wrote:I want to win a game

You win games by lynching scum

2 scum

Extrapolated Eagle · Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:31 am

In post 3907, Prince of Renais wrote:To lynch 2 scum

You must first lynch one scum

right

and one scum by themselves w/o anythign else to work with
leaves us in a situation like we wre in day 2

Extrapolated Eagle · Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:31 am

i want 2 scum that everyone can agree look p bad together

instead of 1 scum getting lynched before the entire towncore is slaughtered tonight and then town is lost tomorrow

Extrapolated Eagle · Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:34 am

In post 3915, Dannflor wrote:there's been too much paranoia thrown around for scum to drastically decrease the pool of players in which there might be scum

i think talking about optimal moves for scum in the game thread is making me nervous

Extrapolated Eagle · Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:35 am

fine

i don't give a shit about xtoxm

lynch liger today
then i can sort my pool of three
and we can lynch xtoxm tomorrow

Extrapolated Eagle · Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:36 am

PoR

I will take credit for every town lynch this game
and you can have credit for every scum lynch this game
making your record 2 for 0 scum lynches
if you let me win the game
instead of playing for your record

Extrapolated Eagle · Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:40 am

max doesn't help me sort

max flips town
and i don't know where to lynch tomorrow

Extrapolated Eagle · Sun Mar 31, 2019 10:08 am

In post 3934, Prince of Renais wrote:"how dare you try to lynch scum instead of information lynching"

how dare you try to lynch player w/ no information
over player w/ information
given an equal probability of flipping scum

Extrapolated Eagle · Sun Mar 31, 2019 10:19 am

In post 3949, Dannflor wrote:I don't think Liger gives as much information as you claim

and I don't think he flips scum very often

what's your plan for tomorrow
off of an xtoxm flip

Extrapolated Eagle · Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:23 pm

Ank
Apply your mindset for lynching Buj
to Liger

and then let's lynch Liger
I'm ok w/ Buj tomorrow

Extrapolated Eagle · Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:24 pm

In post 3983, Dannflor wrote:
In post 3980, Liger_Zero wrote:
In post 3979, Ankamius wrote:VOTE: NerfedBuJ

Can we go back to this please
No.
like does scum!Liger ever make this post while at L-2 or whatever

he could just stay silent and hop the wagon dissapates

he wouldn't care whether it's max or Buj that gets lynched

he knows the wagon doesn't dissipate
he's applying the same mindset i applied to win BoP 2

same w/ xtoxm

Extrapolated Eagle · Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:24 pm

not buj dammit

Extrapolated Eagle · Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:59 pm

In post 3999, Ankamius wrote:
In post 3996, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:Ank
Apply your mindset for lynching Buj
to Liger

and then let's lynch Liger
I'm ok w/ Buj tomorrow
are you telling me that you think liger actually endgames here?

i think it's a possiblity yes

more of the " think oif the endgame" tho

Extrapolated Eagle · Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:28 pm

In post 4053, Jingle wrote:Who am I supposed to voting right now?

liger

Extrapolated Eagle · Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:29 pm

xtoxm is a vote that even if it flips scum just puts town in the same place tomorrow it was today
liger is a vote that gives us moving forward potential regardless of flip (and is likely to flip scum)
buj is a vote that prevents buj from getting to lylo

Extrapolated Eagle · Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:30 pm

max isn't dying today

Extrapolated Eagle · Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:33 pm

who has taken stances on buj
srs question

Extrapolated Eagle · Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:40 pm

now that mini 2060 is over

AtE is definitely ai

Extrapolated Eagle · Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:52 pm

hmmm

VOTE: nerfedbuj

Extrapolated Eagle · Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:53 pm

VOTE: liger

Extrapolated Eagle · Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:55 pm

In post 4095, Reiuji Utsuho wrote:
In post 4081, NerfedBuJ wrote:I don't know if people are payinh attention to her reads.
Not many are apparently becaue barely any people reaponded to my list <_<

I did
Put DDL in it and you're good

In post 4096, Liger_Zero wrote:I missed your vote Eagle. It feels so comfy here.

I did too
that's why I put it back

Extrapolated Eagle · Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:57 pm

so like

there isn't really resistance to like anything here

:/
we could lynch anything
i really want liger

honestly, ank, if you want to get buj lynched just get him talking long enough and he'll get himself lynched

Liger_Zero wrote:
In post 4100, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:I did too
that's why I put it back
I knew you loved me.

if you're secure in my love
you won't mind if i move it again, right?

Extrapolated Eagle · Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:02 pm

looking through the vote counts
ddl and dannflor think a lot alike today

fascinating